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Dogboy73 - Thu Mar 08, 2012 4:34 am

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http://www.musicradar.com/news/tech/musikmesse-2012-propellerhead-to-share-exciting-news-533562

What could this be? Sounds like something pretty big from the statement put out with this announcement;

CEO Ernst Nathorst-Böös "will lift the curtain on some very exciting technology news for music makers everywhere".

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Mushy Mushy - Thu Mar 08, 2012 4:38 am

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Reason for iPad

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VariKusBrainZ - Thu Mar 08, 2012 4:55 am

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Plugin hosting

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SLiC - Thu Mar 08, 2012 5:00 am

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I hope it's reason for the iPad, I suspect ts hardware.

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Timfonie - Thu Mar 08, 2012 5:05 am

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Hardware integration and imminent take over by Behringer.

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Mushy Mushy - Thu Mar 08, 2012 5:06 am

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In my mind the hint is in the word "everywhere".

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EvilDragon - Thu Mar 08, 2012 5:18 am

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Yeah, right.

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artificial - Thu Mar 08, 2012 5:32 am

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i thought it is something exciting, not exiting...

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Goseba - Thu Mar 08, 2012 5:36 am

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Midi Out would be exciting for me. But I reckon iPad version.

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spaceman - Thu Mar 08, 2012 5:41 am

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Online collaboration was my idea.
Reason is perfect for it.

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Dogboy73 - Thu Mar 08, 2012 7:10 am

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Over on the Props forums an iPad App is the biggest suspect there. But I questioned whether the wording with the announcement warrants this development;

CEO Ernst Nathorst-Böös "will lift the curtain on some very exciting technology news for music makers everywhere"

Does that sound like an iPad App?! I don't think it would be very exciting to people that don't have an iPad. I do have an iPad so I'd be happy with a Propellerhead's App for it if it was good. But I just don't think the bold statement substantiates an iPad App.

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invitia - Thu Mar 08, 2012 7:24 am

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A 500 series USB interface allowing Reason to be connected to analog processors?

Or a new Nord modular.

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highkoo - Thu Mar 08, 2012 8:11 am

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Dinosaurs!...?

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liquidsound - Thu Mar 08, 2012 8:24 am

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ReasonWigLive!

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koolkeys - Thu Mar 08, 2012 8:33 am

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Rumor has it that it will NOT be plugin hosting for Reason. However, it's been hinted that the Props have licensed the rights to this plugin to be integrated directly into the software. And really, this would make plugin hosting irrelevant anyways.

Brent

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cryophonik - Thu Mar 08, 2012 8:41 am

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So, sorta like the new Melodyne integration? That would be interesting indeed. I am loving the way Melodyne integrates with Studio One v2, so if Reason would integrate as seamlessly, sign me up.

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Mushy Mushy - Thu Mar 08, 2012 8:49 am

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So like Rewire then?

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bobbybland - Thu Mar 08, 2012 8:54 am

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So perhaps the plugin they licensed is a sort of plugin that hosts plugins then? Like a Kore of some sorts? I'm lost on what that means.

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musikmachine - Thu Mar 08, 2012 8:58 am

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C'mon, surely everyone has an Ipad by now?*

*'Cept me.

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koolkeys - Thu Mar 08, 2012 9:01 am

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DOH! Looks like my post above had it's humor missed, lol.

HINT: read it carefully!

Brent

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hvaring - Thu Mar 08, 2012 9:03 am

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The operative term being "this plugin"?

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bobbybland - Thu Mar 08, 2012 9:11 am

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Aha that would be killer

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SeePlusPlus - Thu Mar 08, 2012 9:16 am

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an updated Rewire
with sound and midi capabilities in both directions
hell, it even compensates it's own delay
(why not, since i'm dreaming anyway)

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cryophonik - Thu Mar 08, 2012 9:18 am

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Oh well, I still like the idea of what I THOUGHT you meant.

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Kriminal - Thu Mar 08, 2012 9:19 am

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audio recording?

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liquidsound - Thu Mar 08, 2012 9:34 am

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Reason 7 with the addition of a New Knob in Thor.

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VitaminD - Thu Mar 08, 2012 9:35 am

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Already does that I thought?

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steffensen - Thu Mar 08, 2012 10:00 am

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The props have borrowed a Pro-One for a reason unknown. I bet its a plugin-host as mentioned above, with various classics inside.

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justin3am - Thu Mar 08, 2012 10:02 am

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I know something I can't tell.

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liquidsound - Thu Mar 08, 2012 10:31 am

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TALK!

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SWallace - Thu Mar 08, 2012 11:08 am

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Hope to god it is not an iPhone/iPad App...

Bet it is some type of hardware integration. With midi/cv/audio ins and outs. They do have a trademark sitting around for "ReRack"

http://trademarks.justia.com/791/01/re-rack-extension-79101439.html

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musikmachine - Thu Mar 08, 2012 12:16 pm

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A lotta use that is!

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trimph1 - Thu Mar 08, 2012 12:21 pm

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Gee thanks a lot!!

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skipkent - Thu Mar 08, 2012 12:21 pm

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Sounds like an impulse-based reverb / effects rack item to me.

But an ipad app would be nifty too.

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CS80 - Thu Mar 08, 2012 12:21 pm

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Plugin hosting on iPads

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trimph1 - Thu Mar 08, 2012 12:22 pm

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Will be loadable on i-everything....

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skipkent - Thu Mar 08, 2012 12:32 pm

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I'm so sure of my (2nd) guess now that it feels like a spoiler, so I'm shortening it to this:

Reason Farm 2.

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skipkent - Thu Mar 08, 2012 1:02 pm

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My 3rd and final guess is that, in addition to making Reason 2.5 an iPad app, a new 'Angry Birds' rack module will be unveiled in Reason 7.

That is *SO* going to rock!

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kmonkey - Thu Mar 08, 2012 1:05 pm

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Aha..they finally licensed Zebra and Diva so synthesis is covered in Reason. Oh and they finally licensed Lexicon and Relab reverbs so they are done in reverbation...OH they finally licensed some UAD stuff so they are done in...Oh....Oh...


Seriously i am curious....Access Virus integrated in Reason (lol)...

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liquidsound - Thu Mar 08, 2012 2:01 pm

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Rewire for Audio

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Urs - Thu Mar 08, 2012 2:40 pm

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Hahaha, I would like that

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VitaminD - Thu Mar 08, 2012 2:48 pm

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Plugin hosting Container

New SDK for creating Reason plugins to be used in the new container units

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9headshydra - Thu Mar 08, 2012 3:08 pm

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An iPad app is certainly the "thing"

An iOS reason perhaps or a remote app

Imo the best thing they can release now is a sort of "90 % without mouse" hardware controler with midi / CV outputs to control hardware synth ( even the oldest without midi),

After "balance" audio interface it seems a logical move

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highkoo - Thu Mar 08, 2012 3:11 pm

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OK, but just tell us- Are we going to be excited?
I mean, uh, woah.
Go on and freak me right out Props.

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musikmachine - Thu Mar 08, 2012 3:57 pm

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Yeah should i put clean underwear on?

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liquidsound - Thu Mar 08, 2012 4:03 pm

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That would make the Combinator Obsolete! And so all the other synth(?)

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justin3am - Thu Mar 08, 2012 4:21 pm

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The things that I was told were totally unexpected to me. Some close guesses in this thread but I don't think anyone has gotten it right yet. I'm not a big Reason user (I open it up occasionally to design sounds) but that may change soon.

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bmrzycki - Thu Mar 08, 2012 4:35 pm

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ok, NOW I'm intrigued. This and u-he announcements are going to make the next 2 weeks a long wait indeed.

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etherdesign - Thu Mar 08, 2012 4:53 pm

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Hmm.. Maybe they licensed Silent Way from Expert Sleepers and are coming out with a hardware cv module that extends patching to physical modules?

Or maybe something like Max for Live.. Reason+Reaktor?

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lotus2035 - Thu Mar 08, 2012 6:01 pm

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Propellerheads have added a Swedish language module to Reason, now you can learn Svenska in style while you produce your next hit and even incorporate some Swedish phrases into your tunes. Phrases such as "Hur många köttbullar vill du äta idag då?" and "Va fan glor du på gammal gubbe?"

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bmrzycki - Thu Mar 08, 2012 6:47 pm

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A Møøse once bit my sister ... No realli! She was Karving her initials on the møøse with the sharpened end of an interspace tøøthbrush given her by Svenge - her brother-in-law - an Oslo dentist and star of many Norwegian møvies: "The Høt Hands of an Oslo Dentist", "Fillings of Passion", "The Huge Mølars of Horst Nordfink".

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braj - Thu Mar 08, 2012 7:12 pm

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New Rewire that lets you use any Reason module as a 'native' VST in any sequencer, and any VST as a native instrument in Reason.

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VitaminD - Thu Mar 08, 2012 7:24 pm

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Daily.

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Crackbaby - Thu Mar 08, 2012 10:52 pm

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What u-he announcements?!

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kmonkey - Thu Mar 08, 2012 10:57 pm

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Yeah what u-he announcement?

On the second try i would say (for being serious this time) - it is Reason and Reaktor - finally...

(imho reaktor make most sense to me since it is modular environment with lot of synths and fx already available and there is soil and ground for new possible and impossible tools...and reaktor 6 - coincidence?)

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eXode - Thu Mar 08, 2012 11:29 pm

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Has anyone mentioned this twitter post by Sonic Charge aka Mr.Malström yet?

[url]http://twitter.com/#!/soniccharge/status/177781004923191296[/url]

Seems Magnus is working on something with props again, makes me a very happy man!

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Urs - Thu Mar 08, 2012 11:54 pm

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Could be related to hardware maybe?

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kmonkey - Fri Mar 09, 2012 12:46 am

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Uhm...what hardware? Could you tell us. A hint at least? What are you working on

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kmonkey - Fri Mar 09, 2012 12:46 am

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Link not working..

I hope it's not another grain synth..

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Crackbaby - Fri Mar 09, 2012 3:04 am

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http://twitter.com/#!/soniccharge/status/177781004923191296

there was a space that had to be removed

Urs: Looking forward to see that!

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pc999 - Fri Mar 09, 2012 3:51 am

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Cool.

Personally what I think it really, really need is some workflow improvements (like S1P).


Anyway my guess (in probability order):

1- iPad app

2- Max/Reaktor like stuff

3- HW integration (maschine like)

4- a Performance mode

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Kriminal - Fri Mar 09, 2012 4:08 am

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i was kidding, related to the demise of record, which was their last big announcement

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musikmachine - Fri Mar 09, 2012 4:38 am

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Really?

Might explain the chafing.

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Kriminal - Fri Mar 09, 2012 4:54 am

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remember to take the dirty pair off first, that should help

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bmanic - Fri Mar 09, 2012 5:05 am

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This would be awesome!

Cheers!
bManic

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christianmusicmaker - Fri Mar 09, 2012 5:22 am

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That would be very interesting.

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skipkent - Fri Mar 09, 2012 5:48 am

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Yes. Like the devices in Pod Farm 2.

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lotus2035 - Fri Mar 09, 2012 5:50 am

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Monty Python and the Holy Grail.

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Woody Aki - Fri Mar 09, 2012 7:03 am

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Now there's a hardcore Monty Python fan! You have to be one, because no one ever quotes that bit...

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bmrzycki - Fri Mar 09, 2012 7:26 am

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I remember the first time I saw those subtitles and couldn't stop laughing. Still gets me every time.

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Crackbaby - Fri Mar 09, 2012 9:16 am

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ipad app..? That would probably make all of us non ipad users forget about reason forever.

I think only two things would be worthy a "big announcement".

A new "cpu heavy" synth (or an awesome sounding synth with crazy alien mega efficient coding)

One of all those suggestions on having it used as a vsti, or host vsti's or ... there's several

Btw, if the modules would be available as separate vst's, which ones would you use?

I think i'd use pulveriser

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VitaminD - Fri Mar 09, 2012 9:48 am

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Minor detail.

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sascha - Fri Mar 09, 2012 12:23 pm

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I would second a Swedish module. All I remember from a course 10 years back or so was 'jag skulle vilja ha en kannelbulle' and 'nu måste vi släkten den fisk' or something like that. At least I wouldn't die starving

But time is overdue for an international artist to come up with some explicit lyrics containing the word 'köttbullar'. Ever ordered them at Ikea outside of Sweden? Aren't these pronounced 'sshhhöötbullarr'? The staff won't understand you, so someone should spread the message.

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felonytrance - Fri Mar 09, 2012 12:28 pm

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http://www.trademarkia.com/re-rack-extension-79101439.html

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highkoo - Fri Mar 09, 2012 12:43 pm

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Oh Im tittering like a school girl over here.
Those Props, boy, they really know how to zing ya, hey?

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kmonkey - Fri Mar 09, 2012 12:46 pm

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Hoi!! These days one have hard time making something hidden..

Cool...

I am curious to know what is it..

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musikmachine - Fri Mar 09, 2012 1:01 pm

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But an important one, after all this is a special occasion.

^Is that what it is, rack extensions?

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koolkeys - Fri Mar 09, 2012 1:03 pm

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Ok, so "Rack Extension" could either mean it's a VST version of Reason, or a plugin inside of Reason to host VST instruments/effects.

So maybe they avoid the whole stability issue by writing a single plugin that runs in it's own process and hosts other plugins?

PURE speculation/hope on my part. I honestly have no clue. But I HOPE it's not new hardware or any ithingie.

Brent

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invitia - Fri Mar 09, 2012 1:05 pm

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That's with the polite filter enabled. Turn it of and you'll get "Skarru äta, annars dra åt helvete" and "Vafan glor du på din felknullade senila gubbjävel".

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braj - Fri Mar 09, 2012 1:25 pm

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I think Propellerheads wants to stop being a slave and start being the Master!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FgQxfYKYqBk

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liquidsound - Fri Mar 09, 2012 3:23 pm

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Do you forgot that what's great for the PH has nothing to do with the rest of us?
THOR was going to be "The End Of All Synths".... yes, the ones inside Reason

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VitaminD - Fri Mar 09, 2012 3:51 pm

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Makes sense... Sell it as an optional application. Then, later, integrate it into Reason and claim it a new version!

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felonytrance - Fri Mar 09, 2012 4:28 pm

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I think it will be an extension of the rack where you could have recycle, vst's au etc within reason. What would be cool is to use propr cv with other vst without having to use zen moneky's workaround.

That could make for some fun stuff!

If it is something like that is going to take a while for third party folks and props to get everything working well.

Could be cool

Edit I also think that it will work with reason devices in other daw's but that might just be wishful thinking

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Happy Frog - Fri Mar 09, 2012 4:41 pm

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Was it already mentioned, perhaps, we will have the ability to run Props synths in our DAW.

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headquest - Fri Mar 09, 2012 5:05 pm

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And charge users again for something they already paid for.

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felonytrance - Fri Mar 09, 2012 5:06 pm

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Long day and confused a few things.

you can get midi out with zen's workaround via reaper tools

http://forum.cockos.com/showthread.php?t=62754

Sorry for confusion


i do think it would be great if we could get both midi out and cv out to vst's which means we could play with hardware as well.

depending on how they have it setup they could make a bunch of folks happy

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headquest - Fri Mar 09, 2012 5:08 pm

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Crucially this would depend on whether they would want to charge me AGAIN for something I already paid for, as they are currently trying to charge me 149 euros for Reason 6 even though I already paid for Record 1.5 and Reason 5 (and no, the three new effects are certainly NOT worth 149!)

BUT... assuming I could use the instruments and effects that I have ALREADY PAID FOR once, but as standalone VSTs, I would use:

Instruments: KONG, THOR and Dr.OctoRex. Possibly ReDrum for fun.
Effects: Scream, RV7000, Pulveriser, The Echo.

The rest, frankly, as a long term user I would say are very under par compared to current VST instruments and effects.

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Happy Frog - Fri Mar 09, 2012 5:09 pm

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My bad, what i meant was, we could run Thor i.e. alone, in say FL Studio.

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braj - Fri Mar 09, 2012 5:37 pm

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I think it is much more compelling for Propellerhead to use VSTs in Reason, not the other way around.

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liquidsound - Fri Mar 09, 2012 7:49 pm

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I may be a bit slow here, but what would it be the advantage to use VST inside reason and be stuck with reason sequencer....
Probably only for reason affectionados. I have reason since 2.5 and up to 6, and I'm really struggling lately to find a reason to share my efforts in music in that environment having at my disposal Live and now Studio One with really amazing synths to work with. Why anyone would like to move his/her work into reason? Reason synths? Better workflow? Stability? S1 is a rock already.....
Why....

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ksandvik - Fri Mar 09, 2012 8:09 pm

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Hehehe maybe Reason could load AUs and VSTs, finally . And if they are so worried about stability, just run it in a separate process and sent the bits over IPC, computers are fast nowadays for IPC traffic.

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VitaminD - Fri Mar 09, 2012 8:26 pm

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No! Later, it would be integrated.. and thus completely different.

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VitaminD - Fri Mar 09, 2012 8:35 pm

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btw here is a list of all kinds of interesting goodies.. I wonder what happened to the ReGroove Mixer?

http://www.tmquest.com/results.asp?maxFiles=10&sort=1&adv=1&owner=Propellerhead+Software+AB

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keyman_sam - Fri Mar 09, 2012 9:01 pm

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Its an iPad controller for Reason.

So you can control your reason rack with it, AND you can expand reason with iApp purchases.

In otherwords - you can buy IPAD VSTs or whatever, integrate it in RE, then have those sounds available automagically in Reason.

Yay! How cool would that be!

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fedexnman - Sat Mar 10, 2012 12:19 am

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1 ipad app
2 vst something or other

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SLiC - Sat Mar 10, 2012 1:41 am

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I think we cab conclude that the Rack Extentions are the basis of he announcement (given hat that have paid for a trade mark and have designed a logo)

That probably means it not Reason for iPad IMHO.

I think it probably is a kit provided to VST developers so that they can make Reason instruments (with perhaps some CPU advantage- Reason native Diva anyone?) or (and perhaps more likely) a module that hosts vsts external to reason with an audio and midi connection (so even if the external rack crashes, reason dest fall over). It's such a simple idea and kinda keeps the studio hardware paradigm, making external vsti like an external rack mount synth with midi and audio connection,

Basically all the props had to do was make a vst host that talks to reason.

Do I win a prize if I am right?

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Crackbaby - Sat Mar 10, 2012 1:47 am

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What about the maelström guy being on a project with props? I don't know what his skills are so maybe he can program that rack extension. Maybe we'll get a new synth as well!

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musikmachine - Sat Mar 10, 2012 2:24 am

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Yeah i i don't think it's only an ipad app cause not everyone owns one. I think it will be something that everyone can access and will be available to anyone with a box that computes lol. reason Rnstruments running in a rack in other hosts would be my guess and/or vst plugin hosting in Reason that can be racked and patched like the Reason instruments and then loaded into other programs.

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headquest - Sat Mar 10, 2012 2:37 am

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This. And possibly with MIDI In/Out for hardware instrument interfacing too, with the possibility to design your own unit that represents your external synth within the Rack.

As such of course we are supposed to be getting hyped about features which basically all the other DAW software programmes have had for the last 15 years. Big news for Reason die-hards though I guess

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fedexnman - Sat Mar 10, 2012 10:01 am

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Yep , I definitely think it has something to do with hosting vst in reason and Reason instruments being able to show up as vst in other vst hosts ( ex. in Mulab , Live , Reaper, Studio one, Cubase. etc etc ) . Reason used to be a big deal quite aways back with rewire to protools but that was way way back , times have changed . I was looking at Reason essentials being $99 the other day , buts its lacking alot , but if i was able to use reasons sampler in a vst host without rewire it'd be a good deal . Lack of VST , has gotta be killing there business ??

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