KVR :: Effects » Klanghelm DC8C released, advanced compressor for WIN and OSX 32&64Bit [UPDATED: ext. sidechain] [View Original Topic]
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tonhelm - Mon Mar 19, 2012 1:13 am
Hi all,
after more than six months of development DC8C is finally available.



DC8C is one of the most flexible compressors around.
While making a lot of different compression styles possible, it's general nature may be described as: clear, smooth, open, distinct.
The main goal while designing DC8C was to get a very clean compressor action without unwanted and often almost unevitable artefacts/distortion. This way you can achieve almost invisible compression for your most demanding mastering sessions, when you want to avoid coloration.

If you aim for colour you can choose between two saturation models.

DC8C offers some features, you probably haven't seen yet in a compressor, for instance:

morphing between FeedForward and FeedBack compression characteristics.
PRE COMP control to delay the attack stage. This way you can leave transients 100% intact.
a zero latency brickwall limiting mode.
tweakable program dependency for both attack AND release times.

if you're not in the mood for tweaking, DC8C offers an additional EASY mode, which lets you get results which just a few controls. EASY mode has 4 different compression styles to choose from.

From opto style, peak compression, RMS compression, Feedback, Feedforward compression (and everything inbetween) to negative ratios, zero latency brickwall limiting, from snappy transient treatment to smooth transient rounding - everything is possible.

For sound examples, charts, manual go to

http://www.Klanghelm.com/DC8C.html

DC8C costs 20€ (intro offer lasts at least until the end of march).

Thanks for reading

Tony
Spitfire31 - Mon Mar 19, 2012 1:39 am
Bought it immediately, already in my account. Downloading… Very Happy

Thanks, Tony!

/Joachim
audiosabre - Mon Mar 19, 2012 1:56 am
Congrats on release and good luck with sales Thumbs Up!
jariya - Mon Mar 19, 2012 2:08 am
Wow! I'm impressed...just to be clear, I haven't purchased nor demoed yet...but from reading the manual, to the artwork, to the thought that went into this thing, to the comprehensive parameters included, and the few sound examples on the website...hats off for your efforts! It appears that some serious work went into this, and I should add, produced with flair and style. Best of luck with this and future products.
VariKusBrainZ - Mon Mar 19, 2012 2:34 am
Impulse purchase Very Happy
risome - Mon Mar 19, 2012 3:04 am
Looks interesting , pre attack and negative ratios plus morphing mode
miro pajic - Mon Mar 19, 2012 5:54 am
excellent!
Amon1973 - Mon Mar 19, 2012 7:24 am
Looks gorgeous. Anyone compared the CPU hit of similarly flexible compressors? I'm thinking about COMPassion and Bombardier, for example... although the latter probably has less options.
zeep - Mon Mar 19, 2012 4:33 pm
edit
*dances with wolves*
skitchy - Mon Mar 19, 2012 5:02 pm
BOUGHT Smile
Can you give us the EXACT settings to make the DC1A sound? It is a REALLY good starting point. A DC1A preset would be great (in the VST presets). I havent got my download yet so if this is already included then just ignore me, I'm an idiot.
Mercado_Negro - Mon Mar 19, 2012 5:39 pm
skitchy wrote:
BOUGHT Smile
Can you give us the EXACT settings to make the DC1A sound? It is a REALLY good starting point. A DC1A preset would be great (in the VST presets). I havent got my download yet so if this is already included then just ignore me, I'm an idiot.


DC8C has two modes, basic and expert. In basic mode you have 4 different compressors called "smooth", "punch", "snap" and "crush". These 4 compressors behave differently and only exhibit common controls you find in any other compressor. The difference is some of the "extended" features you find in the expert mode are hidden but they're interacting "behind the scenes" to provide unique behaviors for each one of them.

If you want to have DC1A in DC8C just click on "punch" in basic mode. It's pretty close. "Relaxed" is closer to "smooth" in DC8C.
zeep - Mon Mar 19, 2012 5:49 pm
Bought it too. Waiting for the link hyper
tonhelm - Tue Mar 20, 2012 2:07 am
Mercado_Negro wrote:
skitchy wrote:
BOUGHT Smile
Can you give us the EXACT settings to make the DC1A sound? It is a REALLY good starting point. A DC1A preset would be great (in the VST presets). I havent got my download yet so if this is already included then just ignore me, I'm an idiot.


DC8C has two modes, basic and expert. In basic mode you have 4 different compressors called "smooth", "punch", "snap" and "crush". These 4 compressors behave differently and only exhibit common controls you find in any other compressor. The difference is some of the "extended" features you find in the expert mode are hidden but they're interacting "behind the scenes" to provide unique behaviors for each one of them.

If you want to have DC1A in DC8C just click on "punch" in basic mode. It's pretty close. "Relaxed" is closer to "smooth" in DC8C.


yeah, what Mercado said.
It's a good idea to include a DC1A preset in DC8C. I will do that for the next update. It's not possible to EXACTLY recreate DC1A, but I'd say they can be 90% identical.

Here's another thing you could try out to achieve a similar, punchy compression style:

EXPERT mode,
attack and release to minimum
program dependency (release ) around +12
GR smoothing around 65-70

now just use the RMS time to adjust the time response of the compressor,

Tony
mandolarian - Tue Mar 20, 2012 3:51 am
Wow! Just wow! It's the compressor of my wet/dry feed forward/backward dreams. And pretty too. And cheap. It's a trifecta compressa. And I'm in a betting mood. Can't wait to take this beauty out on the track(s).
VariKusBrainZ - Tue Mar 20, 2012 4:53 am
What will be the final retail price, just curious?
sunny_j - Tue Mar 20, 2012 7:56 am
tonhelm wrote:
Hi all,
after more than six months of development DC8C is finally available.



DC8C is one of the most flexible compressors around.
While making a lot of different compression styles possible, it's general nature may be described as: clear, smooth, open, distinct.
The main goal while designing DC8C was to get a very clean compressor action without unwanted and often almost unevitable artefacts/distortion. This way you can achieve almost invisible compression for your most demanding mastering sessions, when you want to avoid coloration.

If you aim for colour you can choose between two saturation models.

DC8C offers some features, you probably haven't seen yet in a compressor, for instance:

morphing between FeedForward and FeedBack compression characteristics.
PRE COMP control to delay the attack stage. This way you can leave transients 100% intact.
a zero latency brickwall limiting mode.
tweakable program dependency for both attack AND release times.

if you're not in the mood for tweaking, DC8C offers an additional EASY mode, which lets you get results which just a few controls. EASY mode has 4 different compression styles to choose from.

From opto style, peak compression, RMS compression, Feedback, Feedforward compression (and everything inbetween) to negative ratios, zero latency brickwall limiting, from snappy transient treatment to smooth transient rounding - everything is possible.

For sound examples, charts, manual go to

http://www.Klanghelm.com/DC8C.html

DC8C costs 20€ (intro offer lasts at least until the end of march).

Thanks for reading

Tony


nice compressor, kudos..

One thing though, why doesn't the oversampling switch affect the input saturation?? I'd really like it if it oversampled the saturation stage as well, especially the "RED" mode..
v1o - Tue Mar 20, 2012 8:06 am
Has anyone been able to compare this to the Glue?
tonhelm - Tue Mar 20, 2012 9:15 am
VariKusBrainZ wrote:
What will be the final retail price, just curious?


not decided yet. but it won't be THAT much more. Cool
tonhelm - Tue Mar 20, 2012 9:22 am
sunny_j wrote:


nice compressor, kudos..

One thing though, why doesn't the oversampling switch affect the input saturation?? I'd really like it if it oversampled the saturation stage as well, especially the "RED" mode..


the saturation is oversampled already. could you please send me an email to tony A T klanghelm do t com with some more details about this issue. maybe you are experiencing a bug, which we could iron down via email.
thanks

Tony
sunny_j - Tue Mar 20, 2012 9:27 am
tonhelm wrote:
sunny_j wrote:


nice compressor, kudos..

One thing though, why doesn't the oversampling switch affect the input saturation?? I'd really like it if it oversampled the saturation stage as well, especially the "RED" mode..


the saturation is oversampled already. could you please send me an email to tony A T klanghelm do t com with some more details about this issue. maybe you are experiencing a bug, which we could iron down via email.
thanks

Tony

i will.. i was under the impression that the oversampling switch at the bottom was like a global switch which would oversample the whole signal but it does not affect the saturation stage.
meloco_go - Tue Mar 20, 2012 12:58 pm
Is oversampling linear-phase?
VariKusBrainZ - Wed Mar 21, 2012 1:50 am
Finally had a play last night.
This is nice sounding plugin that can do stuff none of my other compressors can. Will probably be my new "go to" compessor Smile
This is a very creative tool.

I love the interface too, some nice touches that arent obvious
tonhelm - Wed Mar 21, 2012 10:20 am
meloco_go wrote:
Is oversampling linear-phase?


the oversampling itself doesn't alter the phase. but the filter is not linear phase. I opted against it for various reasons, two of them being latency & cpu cycles. I've implemented the oversampling just for completeness sake. DC8C is built in a way that OS is not needed since aliasing and such are avoided and not suppressed. that's why the oversampling has VERY little work to do Wink

Tony
h moll - Wed Mar 21, 2012 5:56 pm
Is there such a thing as too many compressors? (I'm into the 'boutique' genre myself.) I believe this one belongs in my collection. I'll have you!
macmurphy - Wed Mar 21, 2012 11:37 pm
h moll wrote:
I believe this one belongs in my collection. I'll have you!


oh it does. it's stunning.
Barendse - Thu Mar 22, 2012 12:54 am
macmurphy wrote:
h moll wrote:
I believe this one belongs in my collection. :box:


oh it does. it's stunning.


+1
Keith99 - Fri Mar 23, 2012 12:54 pm
Good price as well, makes it a good impulse buy Smile
Skorpius - Sun Mar 25, 2012 6:12 am
tonhelm wrote:

DC8C is one of the most flexible compressors around.


Is it also possible to save individual settings under a new name, i. e. to create user presets?

Thanks.
Jonathan Shepherd - Sun Mar 25, 2012 2:07 pm
Took the plunge, got this and VUMT...thank you Tony of Klanghelm and thanks to Mr.Tax Refund. The price-to-quality ratio is crazy. Good day-
tonhelm - Sun Mar 25, 2012 11:54 pm
Skorpius wrote:
tonhelm wrote:

DC8C is one of the most flexible compressors around.


Is it also possible to save individual settings under a new name, i. e. to create user presets?

Thanks.


I'm planning to add a custom preset system to my plugins in the next months. Then you will be able to do this. Until then, you can use your host to save new presets.
manducator - Mon Mar 26, 2012 1:49 am
Great quality, good price, no hassle with copy protection, great manual and lifetime updates.

I would feel bad not buying this, so I did. Cool
jam92189 - Mon Mar 26, 2012 2:07 am
TONY! this plugin is my favorite compressor EVER. i love this thing after trying this out i bought your meter to. love that to great work man the saturation is a very smooth one that i haven't heard in a while great job and your limiter is really nice i hope you get enough success to make more plugins with this quality in the future.
geroyannis - Mon Mar 26, 2012 11:09 am
I'd like to check this compressor but I couldn't find a demo. Then I read at the FAQ page of the developer's site that he doesn't want to build and update demos. I understand and respect his reasons, unfortunately I can't give money for yet another compressor without being able to test it first. I know that the intro price is not really high but I've been spoiled with excellent free compressors like ReaComp etc.
rasmusklump - Mon Mar 26, 2012 11:27 am
Good for you.
In the meanwhile I am enjoying the best compressor I have had so far...

Alex
geroyannis - Mon Mar 26, 2012 11:33 am
Oh, I'm very happy for you getting so much enjoyment from a compressor.
gavriloP - Mon Mar 26, 2012 1:24 pm
geroyannis wrote:
Oh, I'm very happy for you getting so much enjoyment from a compressor.


How about checking the free version and drawing your own conclusions after that? That's what I did, and boy, am I lucky that I did. I bought this thing instantly Smile

DDMF's NYcomp and this are really two diamonds in the rough.

I understand that demos are a hassle for small developer, and also quite a big security threat, but with prices like these, I don't complain. And when I get freebies as good as DC1A, man, that's just five star marketing! IMHO of course.

Bottom line: if you like DC1A, you can't get wrong with it's big brother.
geroyannis - Mon Mar 26, 2012 1:44 pm
Thing is I didn't like the sound of DC1A when it was released, but after seeing the features of it's big brother I got curious because theoretically you could make it sound like anything you want. It would be a shame to have a bad opinion of DC8C only because I didn't like DC1A which essentially is just one preset.
gremildo - Mon Mar 26, 2012 8:39 pm
Killer compressor! For mastering / buss it can be very clean but still "attitude" (i.e: attack and realese are ultra responsive)Better than (in my opinion) The Glue, Elysia Alpha or Sonoris Mastering Compressor. On a mix (tried just quickly on 7 or 8 tracks, the "3D" character it's impressive Smile[/b]
Too.Many.Guitars - Mon Mar 26, 2012 10:06 pm
Keith99 wrote:
Good price as well, makes it a good impulse buy Smile


I'm impulsive!. HiHi

FYI: Received account info within 4hrs of payment (Purchased during sleepy time in Germany).


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shanecgriffo - Mon Mar 26, 2012 10:38 pm
just posting this as a reminder for when i get cash in the bank .. ahh, another compressor Wink
ryandfl - Tue Mar 27, 2012 9:23 am
I was just about to get The Glue, finally, but now I'm wondering about this. I too wish I could demo it. The smaller free version seemed good, but I wasn't really overwhelmed. Not that I've been overwhelmed with The Glue demo, but it seems to just work well and it has about a billion good reviews.

Can anyone who has used both talk about the differences a little?
gremildo - Tue Mar 27, 2012 3:02 pm
ryandfl wrote:
I was just about to get The Glue, finally, but now I'm wondering about this. I too wish I could demo it. The smaller free version seemed good, but I wasn't really overwhelmed. Not that I've been overwhelmed with The Glue demo, but it seems to just work well and it has about a billion good reviews.

Can anyone who has used both talk about the differences a little?


Killer compressor! For mastering / buss it can be very clean but still "attitude" (i.e: attack and realese are ultra responsive)Better than (in my opinion) The Glue, Elysia Alpha or Sonoris Mastering Compressor. On a mix (tried just quickly on 7 or 8 tracks, the "3D" character it's impressive Smile[/b]

Hi, I wrote this yesterday, and the more I use it, the more I'm impressed. The others I talked about (The Glue, Sonoris, etc...), sounds "sterille" in comparison (again, in my opinion). + it's a terrific compressor for mixing.
Beatworld - Tue Mar 27, 2012 8:01 pm
gremildo wrote:
[ and the more I use it, the more I'm impressed. The others I talked about (The Glue, Sonoris, etc...), sounds "sterille" in comparison (again, in my opinion). + it's a terrific compressor for mixing.


I have the Elysia Alpha, Voxengo Polysquasher and the DC8C all set up in a mastering job I'm doing.(I use The Glue a lot too but not in mastering situations, mainly when mixing, as I like ratios less than 2:1 when mastering)


Very interesting comparing the 3 together on stereo mix files.

Starting point : all 3 sound great.

In this job I'm really going for the most transparent sound I can get.
So using the DC8C in a clean, unsaturated way.

back to the test lab.
Barendse - Wed Mar 28, 2012 12:41 am
ryandfl wrote:
I was just about to get The Glue, finally, but now I'm wondering about this. I too wish I could demo it. The smaller free version seemed good, but I wasn't really overwhelmed. Not that I've been overwhelmed with The Glue demo, but it seems to just work well and it has about a billion good reviews.

Can anyone who has used both talk about the differences a little?


The Glue is nice but you get one type of compression and you pay 99 dollar. With DC8C you get four great sounding types of compression and you pay 20 euro.
jethrobull - Wed Mar 28, 2012 1:41 am
Definitely thinking of getting this,esp with the no-brainer price!
Is it really comparable to The Glue? Shocked
Skorpius - Wed Mar 28, 2012 8:25 am
tonhelm wrote:
DC8C is one of the most flexible compressors around.


One more question, Tony: What can I do with a negative ratio? Can I use it to restore the dynamics of squashed audio material?

Thanks.
insonicbloom - Wed Mar 28, 2012 11:47 am
h moll wrote:
Is there such a thing as too many compressors? (I'm into the 'boutique' genre myself.) I believe this one belongs in my collection. I'll have you!


what on earth do you mean by "the boutique genre" ? it sounds like bullshit talk for: I only buy what is expensive because I don't know how to make the best of the least
jethrobull - Wed Mar 28, 2012 11:51 am
insonicbloom wrote:
h moll wrote:
Is there such a thing as too many compressors? (I'm into the 'boutique' genre myself.) I believe this one belongs in my collection. I'll have you!


what on earth do you mean by "the boutique genre" ? it sounds like bullshit talk for: I only buy what is expensive because I don't know how to make the best of the least


Laughing
ryandfl - Sat Mar 31, 2012 5:19 pm
I just spent handful of hours working on a new song with DC8C on a few tracks and the master. Pretty darn awesome.

I just got a new computer, so I'm redemoing some of the stuff I've been thinking about buying for a while guilt free. So I was able to compare it to The Glue directly. I prefer DC8C. It sounds clearer and more alive to me. I saw a couple people say something like that on forums and though "hm, that sounds like distortion sheen description, not necessarily what I want". But that's not what I'm hearing. It just has a more open sound somehow.

It is does require more tweaking to really maximize than The Glue. But it has like 3x the knobs, so that's kind of a given.

The oversampling is pretty CPU brutal though. Probably best to just leave it off until exporting/rendering.

Awesome job, Tony.

I also think a Lot of copies would be sold if there was a full demo version. There should be a lot more talk about this here and Gearslutz, so I'm guessing most people are shying away because of the lack of a demo, even if it is very reasonably priced.
loopdon - Sun Apr 01, 2012 1:46 am
The free on is allready soooo good.
Must grab this one.
h moll - Sun Apr 01, 2012 6:16 am
jethrobull wrote:
insonicbloom wrote:
h moll wrote:
Is there such a thing as too many compressors? (I'm into the 'boutique' genre myself.) I believe this one belongs in my collection. I'll have you!


what on earth do you mean by "the boutique genre" ? it sounds like bullshit talk for: I only buy what is expensive because I don't know how to make the best of the least


Laughing
Well Done
sinkmusic - Mon Apr 02, 2012 12:17 pm
I'm still hesitating, the lack of demo kinda puts me off, even if the price is grat : I already have a bunch of compressors, and don't know how much it overlaps/sounds different, so i guess i'll have to ask questions :

- Are the different modes from the "easy" panel just some kind of presets, or will it make similar settings from the Expert panel sound different if you keep the knobs settings but change the mode ?

- What is the cpu use ?

- How good is it as a "smack" compressor ?

- Is it good for upward/downward expansion ?

Thank you in advance !
mandolarian - Mon Apr 02, 2012 12:35 pm
sinkmusic wrote:
I'm still hesitating, the lack of demo kinda puts me off, even if the price is grat : I already have a bunch of compressors, and don't know how much it overlaps/sounds different, so i guess i'll have to ask questions :

- Are the different modes from the "easy" panel just some kind of presets, or will it make similar settings from the Expert panel sound different if you keep the knobs settings but change the mode ?
- What is the cpu use ?

Reasonably low. A touch high with oversampling.
sinkmusic wrote:
- How good is it as a "smack" compressor ?

Awesome. Surprisingly awesome with a few tweaks.
sinkmusic wrote:
- Is it good for upward/downward expansion ?

Yes.

I'm nominating it 'the compressor bargain of the year'. So versatile - it's a breath mint - it's a candy mint - it's a character mint - it's a clean mint - it's like eight mints in one. Very Happy
sinkmusic - Mon Apr 02, 2012 12:41 pm
Thanks, Mandolarian.
But argh, you're ruining all my efforts for reducing my plugin arsenal and limiting my GAS ! Mad
mandolarian - Mon Apr 02, 2012 12:50 pm
Sorry, but it's really affordable, so it causes only minor GAS, not hugely stinky GAS. HiHi
geroyannis - Mon Apr 02, 2012 5:43 pm
mandolarian wrote:
sinkmusic wrote:
Is it good for upward/downward expansion ?

Yes.

Can it really work as an expander? I haven't read anything like that.
mandolarian - Mon Apr 02, 2012 9:53 pm
Hmmm....I've got it working as a peak expander/upward compressor so far. Will have to check the downside - so many parameters to tweak.
sinkmusic - Wed Apr 04, 2012 11:45 am
mandolarian wrote:
Hmmm....I've got it working as a peak expander/upward compressor so far. Will have to check the downside - so many parameters to tweak.

Good to know, thanks.
And is it any good as a transient shaper ?
mandolarian - Wed Apr 04, 2012 11:58 am
sinkmusic wrote:

And is it any good as a transient shaper ?

Oh, yes! Both sharp snappy shaping and blunt squashed clunking shaping (Think that's the technical term).

Even has an 'easy' preset for transient 'snapping':
"SNAP
This is the transient spitting machine.
a gain reduction around -2 dB might already
be enough to spice up drums.
Also suitable to emphasize the attack of
guitar/bass guitar signals. Be careful with
the output knob: the differences between
transients and the rest of the signal can be
huge."
_dada_ - Wed Apr 04, 2012 2:15 pm
mandolarian wrote:
This is the transient spitting machine.
a gain reduction around -2 dB might already
be enough to spice up drums.

Well, that's probably because the reduction meter currently acts like a VU meter.
So, if you see 2 db gain reduction, on percussive material,
it's most probably 5 to 7 db, in reality.

I talked to Tony about this
and he said the meter will show real reduction,
in the upcomming update ...

I.e.:
Great comp and great support !
Cool


Jan
tonhelm - Wed Apr 11, 2012 11:15 pm
Hi all,
I've just updated DC8C to version 1.1 and show some sidechain love

Changes:
-OSX: better behavior of the switches
-FIX: SC-HPF in EASY mode is working now
-slightly cleaner GUI, better readability of the value displays
-redesigned sidechain filters
-GR meter now reflects actual gain reduction and attack/release times
-NEW: soft bypass (by clicking at the meters, smooth transition from compressed to clean signal and vice versa)
-NEW: SIDECHAIN LISTEN (you can use DC8C as simple yet effective EQ Smile )
-NEW: external sidechain
-AU: sidechaining only possible in seperate stereo version of the plugin (DC8Csc) for now

the intro offer (20 €) is still valid.

Tony
rasmusklump - Thu Apr 12, 2012 12:43 am
Great.
Thank you for making a great comp even better.

Alex
jethrobull - Thu Apr 12, 2012 1:05 am
This sounds so warm on the master! Cheers for the update,......just when you thought it couldn't get any better...... Thumbs Up!
VariKusBrainZ - Thu Apr 12, 2012 1:25 am
The best just got better....is it possible to improve upon perfection Wink
tonhelm - Thu Apr 12, 2012 2:06 am
Glad that you still like DC8C.

I've just uploaded version 1.1.1
There was an issue in the vst version, which lowered the volume when increasing input gain. Sorry.. Sad
this is fixed now.

Tony
Davide Battista - Thu Apr 12, 2012 4:11 am
Great comp, I'm wating the email to download!!!!!!!! Wink
swindus - Thu Apr 12, 2012 4:19 am
Great update, thanks!
rasmusklump - Thu Apr 12, 2012 4:45 am
Davide Battista wrote:
Great comp, I'm wating the email to download!!!!!!!! Wink


For the update just log in to your account and download it.

Alex
khanyz - Thu Apr 12, 2012 4:50 am
Hi Tony,

Please can you add the version number to the download file name and embed it in the DLL (as a standard dll property). It just helps to keep track of what's been downloaded and installed.

Other than that, DC8C is great.

Cheers,
Nigel
Davide Battista - Thu Apr 12, 2012 5:37 am
rasmusklump wrote:
Davide Battista wrote:
Great comp, I'm wating the email to download!!!!!!!! Wink


For the update just log in to your account and download it.

Alex


I'll wait the email with pass!! Wink
(I bought it today)
tonhelm - Thu Apr 12, 2012 6:04 am
Davide Battista wrote:
rasmusklump wrote:
Davide Battista wrote:
Great comp, I'm wating the email to download!!!!!!!! Wink


For the update just log in to your account and download it.

Alex


hey Davide,

I'll wait the email with pass!! Wink
(I bought it today)


I've sent out all confirmation mails. If you didn't receive anything yet, please send me an email with your registered paypal email address.

Tony
ariston - Thu Apr 12, 2012 6:15 am
Just got it! Can't wait for the email. The freebie taster really sold me on it.... just when I thought I didn't need yet another compressor!
filter303 - Thu Apr 12, 2012 6:40 am
Tony can you tell me how can I get a similar sound to Snap setting using the advanced mode?

Thanks. Cool
Davide Battista - Thu Apr 12, 2012 7:33 am
tonhelm wrote:
Davide Battista wrote:
rasmusklump wrote:
Davide Battista wrote:
Great comp, I'm wating the email to download!!!!!!!! Wink


For the update just log in to your account and download it.

Alex


hey Davide,

I'll wait the email with pass!! Wink
(I bought it today)


I've sent out all confirmation mails. If you didn't receive anything yet, please send me an email with your registered paypal email address.

Tony


No, anything from you, but I resolved with "Request a new password" for my email.
The system sent me a new pass and works!!!!
Love
metalifuxx - Thu Apr 12, 2012 12:14 pm
Soft bypass for when clicking on the meters. That's genius. Now if you had something that would temporarily match the output gain to the incoming or bypassed signal I would be even more impressed.
ST54 - Fri Apr 13, 2012 1:29 am
1+ for an auto gain function Smile
Giusmex - Fri Apr 13, 2012 11:09 am
hi guys

i have two questions


1) for a "generic" electronic song ( kick, snare, hi hats, pads, lead synth, synth guitar, etc) how and where would you punt this excellent compressor in you master effect chain?


2) how do i reach the two " saturation" modes ?

thanx
sinkmusic - Fri Apr 13, 2012 11:15 am
filter303 wrote:
Tony can you tell me how can I get a similar sound to Snap setting using the advanced mode?

+1
Are the 4 modes very different flavours/modes which makes the comp act differently whatever the settings are, or is it more like "quick presets" which you can match by adjusting every deep settings ?


Tony, do you have any idea how long will the intro price last ? Will you remind us a couple of days before the end of the promo ?
Mercado_Negro - Fri Apr 13, 2012 1:49 pm
sinkmusic wrote:
Are the 4 modes very different flavours/modes which makes the comp act differently whatever the settings are, or is it more like "quick presets" which you can match by adjusting every deep settings ?


Yeah, they're different. Each mode makes changes behind the scenes which can't be exactly replicated in the "expert" layout. You can get close to those 4 modes in the "expert" layout but you'll never get identical results.
tonhelm - Sat Apr 14, 2012 10:35 am
sinkmusic wrote:
filter303 wrote:
Tony can you tell me how can I get a similar sound to Snap setting using the advanced mode?

+1
Are the 4 modes very different flavours/modes which makes the comp act differently whatever the settings are, or is it more like "quick presets" which you can match by adjusting every deep settings ?


Tony, do you have any idea how long will the intro price last ? Will you remind us a couple of days before the end of the promo ?


Of course I will announce the ending of the intro price at least one week before the price increase. But I can ensure you, that DC8C will still be very affordable.
filter303 - Sat Apr 14, 2012 12:34 pm
Mercado_Negro wrote:
sinkmusic wrote:
Are the 4 modes very different flavours/modes which makes the comp act differently whatever the settings are, or is it more like "quick presets" which you can match by adjusting every deep settings ?


Yeah, they're different. Each mode makes changes behind the scenes which can't be exactly replicated in the "expert" layout. You can get close to those 4 modes in the "expert" layout but you'll never get identical results.


That explains why I couldn't get the sound of the snap mode with the expert mode Smile
Mercado_Negro - Sat Apr 14, 2012 1:48 pm
filter303 wrote:
Mercado_Negro wrote:
sinkmusic wrote:
Are the 4 modes very different flavours/modes which makes the comp act differently whatever the settings are, or is it more like "quick presets" which you can match by adjusting every deep settings ?


Yeah, they're different. Each mode makes changes behind the scenes which can't be exactly replicated in the "expert" layout. You can get close to those 4 modes in the "expert" layout but you'll never get identical results.


That explains why I couldn't get the sound of the snap mode with the expert mode Smile


Yeah. It's not so obvious I think but people don't realize they're purchasing 5 compressors when they buy DC8C.
Arrested Developer - Sat Apr 14, 2012 2:05 pm
Mercado_Negro wrote:


Yeah. It's not so obvious I think but people don't realize they're purchasing 5 compressors when they buy DC8C.


...and that's also a reason why with DC8C i'm always unsure (so far), if i really get the "best possible" result...
It's just the fact, that you have so many possibilities...

Therefore, i hope that there will be an exchange of experiences, tips & tricks, since it's not just "one" compressor with five knobs to adjust.
kylen - Sat Apr 14, 2012 5:06 pm
Tony - Thanks for a really fine vst mastering compressor. I've picked up a license and am putting it in to my projects head-to-head with CL1, DensityII, Old Timer, and a couple of others. I'm spending a lot of listening time with DC8C and it is my current favorite. To be honest I like the way it pumps and rocks with the mix, kind of like Density II but slightly less dense if you know what I mean.

I'm wondering if you might consider 'normalizing' the ratio range, or redistributing the range (I'm not sure what to say here). In other words, I'm working on a rock re-master, if I select preset 'vintage bus compressor' everything is fine for certain parts of the song, when things get too squished I can dial the range knob down and make it sound better. But the range knob only seems to make a difference when it is < 5. I'm thinking that I could automate range thru out the song, for a certain passage I might need more compression, at other times less. Range seems like a good way to manage that.

I want to reinterate - this is a really fine, transparent & clean (If you want) mastering compressor. When I say squished above I could correct that by changing any number of settings of course. I just happened to find that 'range' seemed a little limited and wanted to make a comment.
tonhelm - Sat Apr 14, 2012 11:50 pm
kylen wrote:
Tony - Thanks for a really fine vst mastering compressor. I've picked up a license and am putting it in to my projects head-to-head with CL1, DensityII, Old Timer, and a couple of others. I'm spending a lot of listening time with DC8C and it is my current favorite. To be honest I like the way it pumps and rocks with the mix, kind of like Density II but slightly less dense if you know what I mean.

I'm wondering if you might consider 'normalizing' the ratio range, or redistributing the range (I'm not sure what to say here). In other words, I'm working on a rock re-master, if I select preset 'vintage bus compressor' everything is fine for certain parts of the song, when things get too squished I can dial the range knob down and make it sound better. But the range knob only seems to make a difference when it is < 5. I'm thinking that I could automate range thru out the song, for a certain passage I might need more compression, at other times less. Range seems like a good way to manage that.

I want to reinterate - this is a really fine, transparent & clean (If you want) mastering compressor. When I say squished above I could correct that by changing any number of settings of course. I just happened to find that 'range' seemed a little limited and wanted to make a comment.


first thing I thought, when reading your comment, was: Why not just automating the ratio instead of the range? But let me think about it for a while. Maybe I can implement a kind of dedicated intelligent automatic gain control in the future. The range knob is just the limit of the max possible gain reduction ATM. So when you do not have more than 5 dB GR you can't hear the effect of the range knob. Maybe there's a way to make it a bit smarter.

Tony
kylen - Sun Apr 15, 2012 5:25 am
tonhelm wrote:
first thing I thought, when reading your comment, was: Why not just automating the ratio instead of the range? But let me think about it for a while. Maybe I can implement a kind of dedicated intelligent automatic gain control in the future. The range knob is just the limit of the max possible gain reduction ATM. So when you do not have more than 5 dB GR you can't hear the effect of the range knob. Maybe there's a way to make it a bit smarter.

Tony

Thanks Tony, I'll try something with the ratio. The range behavior makes sense now, I'm getting 2.5db of GR with range at 100. GR stays at 2.5db until range goes down to about 3, then it reduces to 1dbGR and so on.

This is a really fine plugin to push a mix into it makes a noticable improvement and lets everything continue to breath! Thumbs Up!
zvenx - Sun Apr 15, 2012 6:07 am
Hi, is there a vst3 version? if not will there be one?
thanks
rsp
tonhelm - Sun Apr 15, 2012 10:20 am
zvenx wrote:
Hi, is there a vst3 version? if not will there be one?
thanks
rsp


There will be a VST3 version. But first I have to port DC8C to RTAS.
zvenx - Sun Apr 15, 2012 10:26 am
Thanks, just got your email...thank you....Won't Rtas be dead in a year or two though......(not saying not to do it), but isn't AAX, replacing it?
rsp
zvenx - Sun Apr 15, 2012 11:12 am
maybe someone else mentioned it.......I think Over Sampling should be a global setting.....whenever I change a preset it goes back to off setting.. of course the best is one for real time and one for rendering Smile
VST2 Nuendo 5.5


rsp
tonhelm - Sun Apr 15, 2012 10:06 pm
zvenx wrote:
maybe someone else mentioned it.......I think Over Sampling should be a global setting.....whenever I change a preset it goes back to off setting.. of course the best is one for real time and one for rendering Smile
VST2 Nuendo 5.5
rsp


Will change all that in a future update Smile


Regarding RTAS: since AAX is still fairly new, it will be easier for me to first port DC8C to RTAS (at least I hope so).

Tony
CT - Mon Apr 16, 2012 12:40 am
Is the external sidechain AU only at the moment?
The 1.1 description seems to imply that it is both vst and au (with the au version being stereo only). I got it working in Logic and Live, but could not find any sidechain option when running the vst in Ableton Live 8, nor is there a separate sidechain version of the plugin as there is for the au version.
Im guessing the answer is that to implement external sidechain in the vst version, you'll first have to write a vst3 version.
tonhelm - Mon Apr 16, 2012 1:10 am
CT wrote:
Is the external sidechain AU only at the moment?
The 1.1 description seems to imply that it is both vst and au (with the au version being stereo only). I got it working in Logic and Live, but could not find any sidechain option when running the vst in Ableton Live 8, nor is there a separate sidechain version of the plugin as there is for the au version.
Im guessing the answer is that to implement external sidechain in the vst version, you'll first have to write a vst3 version.


External sidechaining does work with the vst2.4 version too. Just send a channel in the Live mixer to another with DC8C as an insert and you should see something like "sc input DC8C" as an option in the sends. If not, please send me a mail and I'll help you out. Internet connection is still a bit inconvenient in my new home, but I'll try my best to assist you.

Tony
CT - Mon Apr 16, 2012 1:25 am
Thanks, got it! Also understand now how to set it up in Live with 3rd party plugins, which I was finding a little confusing.
ericzang - Tue Apr 17, 2012 2:25 am
Thanks for the great update! I guess it always can happen after an update that someone likes the old way: I also like the previous style of meter behavior, in addition to the one now. Would it be easy enough to add a little button to toggle between the two?
ericzang - Tue Apr 17, 2012 2:35 am
Also, in Sonar 8.5 x64, I do not see a DC8C sidechain input available in my send destination list. Personally though I'm not concerned about it, because after this project I will be finding a new DAW, and I don't think I will be needing the sidechain in this project.
Keith99 - Tue Apr 17, 2012 3:22 am
zvenx wrote:
maybe someone else mentioned it.......I think Over Sampling should be a global setting.....whenever I change a preset it goes back to off setting.. of course the best is one for real time and one for rendering Smile
VST2 Nuendo 5.5


rsp


+1 for this. Also I like the way in The Glue you can assign the same OS setting to all instances (as well as specifying different settings for mixdown).
tonhelm - Thu May 17, 2012 11:44 pm
Hi all,
I've just updated DC8C.

Changes:

NEW: VST3 support (OSX/WIN 32&64bit)
NEW: External sidechaining in EASY mode
REMOVED: zero latency switch - DC8C is now always zero latency
FIX: MIX knob in easy mode is working now as expected
FIX: (OSX) flickering of the value displays, when moving a control

Tony
jethrobull - Fri May 18, 2012 12:33 am
OH YEAH!! Very Happy Thumbs Up!
Holophonic - Fri May 18, 2012 5:36 am
Nice update ! Very Happy

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