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mobu - Sun Apr 01, 2012 2:45 pm
"Daydreamer" is my first ever orchestral composition. If anybody wants to use this piece for a film or an animation, please let me know. I will be more than happy to let you use it.
I am sorry that I don't know what chords or scales I used since I am musically illiterate
I will really appreciate if anybody can figure them out
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pPTOPEwW2KQ
mobu - Sun Apr 01, 2012 5:17 pm
Very good piece of music. Everyone should listen this
mobu - Sun Apr 01, 2012 5:19 pm
mobu wrote:
Very good piece of music. Everyone should listen this
Thanks Mobu. I am glad that you liked it. I hope other KVR members listen to this too.
mobu - Sun Apr 01, 2012 11:48 pm
mobu wrote:
mobu wrote:
Very good piece of music. Everyone should listen this
Thanks Mobu. I am glad that you liked it. I hope other KVR members listen to this too.
They sure will
Nikolas - Mon Apr 02, 2012 12:12 am
Here's a real reply for you, mobu, mobu and mobu who posted already!
The music is far from uninteresting. The melody is quite nice and the chord change, while rather static does it's trick.
the main 'problems' if I may call them that in the world of music is the orchestration and the use of bad samples!
Orchestration: You get a set of 80 people, who all can play different things and you restrict them to playing what a pianist/keyboardist would play with their left hand (pad style music). Add some movement in the accompaniament, put some breath, some noise, some interest in what they're doing, instead of having them being completely boring...
Midi mockup: I'm not sure what samples you're using, but this sounds rather outdated. Some ideas to get you going:
* Try to use different articulations some times. A flutist doesn't play all the time legato QCC or something like that. They can have the last note of a phrase played staccato, or more softly.
* Change the velocity and thus the dynamics of each instrument
* DEQuantize the music, make it less mechanical
That's about it.
Hope it helps.
ariston - Mon Apr 02, 2012 12:33 am
Hi Mobu,
Nikolas already posted an excellent reply full of good advice. Let me add the following: to my ears, your musical "illiteracy", as you put it, is pretty obvious. The piece is rather simple harmonically, and would benefit from some contrast. To explain how to do this would take a lot of space; if you want to get better at this, I think you'd have to brush up on musical theory. Once you're getting into complex harmonies, you can then begin to study/try out the many ways of arranging them, adding colours by using different instruments to voice the chord for example.
That said, you've got some nice melodies in there, and if you've completed this piece without musical training, then I'd say well done! You've got the skeleton (talent), now put some muscle (training) on there.
Note that if you had posted a tarnce version of this, I'd never have given the above piece of advice. Since you're calling it an orchestral composition, however, your work is going to be measured against others in the same "genre". And that's some pretty stiff competition. Don't be discouraged, however, and keep it up. It's well worth it!
Nikolas - Mon Apr 02, 2012 12:40 am
ariston wrote:
Note that if you had posted a tarnce version of this, I'd never have given the above piece of advice. Since you're calling it an orchestral composition, however, your work is going to be measured against others in the same "genre". And that's some pretty stiff competition. Don't be discouraged, however, and keep it up. It's well worth it!
Very true! I didn't think of mentioning that but it's totally worth keeping it in mind! mobu - Mon Apr 02, 2012 3:30 am
Nikolas wrote:
Here's a real reply for you, mobu, mobu and mobu who posted already!
The music is far from uninteresting. The melody is quite nice and the chord change, while rather static does it's trick.
the main 'problems' if I may call them that in the world of music is the orchestration and the use of bad samples!
Orchestration: You get a set of 80 people, who all can play different things and you restrict them to playing what a pianist/keyboardist would play with their left hand (pad style music). Add some movement in the accompaniament, put some breath, some noise, some interest in what they're doing, instead of having them being completely boring...
Midi mockup: I'm not sure what samples you're using, but this sounds rather outdated. Some ideas to get you going:
* Try to use different articulations some times. A flutist doesn't play all the time legato QCC or something like that. They can have the last note of a phrase played staccato, or more softly.
* Change the velocity and thus the dynamics of each instrument
* DEQuantize the music, make it less mechanical
That's about it.
Hope it helps.
The music is far from uninteresting. The melody is quite nice and the chord change, while rather static does it's trick.
the main 'problems' if I may call them that in the world of music is the orchestration and the use of bad samples!
Orchestration: You get a set of 80 people, who all can play different things and you restrict them to playing what a pianist/keyboardist would play with their left hand (pad style music). Add some movement in the accompaniament, put some breath, some noise, some interest in what they're doing, instead of having them being completely boring...
Midi mockup: I'm not sure what samples you're using, but this sounds rather outdated. Some ideas to get you going:
* Try to use different articulations some times. A flutist doesn't play all the time legato QCC or something like that. They can have the last note of a phrase played staccato, or more softly.
* Change the velocity and thus the dynamics of each instrument
* DEQuantize the music, make it less mechanical
That's about it.
Hope it helps.
Thank you so much Nikolas! People like you always help make my music better
I have used NI Kontakt since that's the cheapest I can get unfortunately. My friend told me to use EWQL Symphonic Library which is well above my budget
But you are so dead-on with your advice though. Especially the quantization part. I didn't want really want to quantise but then since they're samples, it was being very difficult to match all the sample attacks and release time perfectly and less mechanical.
I hope to make another version of this piece so that you can evaluate it for me
Thanks again! mobu - Mon Apr 02, 2012 3:34 am
ariston wrote:
Hi Mobu,
Nikolas already posted an excellent reply full of good advice. Let me add the following: to my ears, your musical "illiteracy", as you put it, is pretty obvious. The piece is rather simple harmonically, and would benefit from some contrast. To explain how to do this would take a lot of space; if you want to get better at this, I think you'd have to brush up on musical theory. Once you're getting into complex harmonies, you can then begin to study/try out the many ways of arranging them, adding colours by using different instruments to voice the chord for example.
That said, you've got some nice melodies in there, and if you've completed this piece without musical training, then I'd say well done! You've got the skeleton (talent), now put some muscle (training) on there.
Note that if you had posted a tarnce version of this, I'd never have given the above piece of advice. Since you're calling it an orchestral composition, however, your work is going to be measured against others in the same "genre". And that's some pretty stiff competition. Don't be discouraged, however, and keep it up. It's well worth it!
Nikolas already posted an excellent reply full of good advice. Let me add the following: to my ears, your musical "illiteracy", as you put it, is pretty obvious. The piece is rather simple harmonically, and would benefit from some contrast. To explain how to do this would take a lot of space; if you want to get better at this, I think you'd have to brush up on musical theory. Once you're getting into complex harmonies, you can then begin to study/try out the many ways of arranging them, adding colours by using different instruments to voice the chord for example.
That said, you've got some nice melodies in there, and if you've completed this piece without musical training, then I'd say well done! You've got the skeleton (talent), now put some muscle (training) on there.
Note that if you had posted a tarnce version of this, I'd never have given the above piece of advice. Since you're calling it an orchestral composition, however, your work is going to be measured against others in the same "genre". And that's some pretty stiff competition. Don't be discouraged, however, and keep it up. It's well worth it!
I really appreciate your advice ariston
The biggest problem for me was that I didn't know which instruments go well together. I did read a bit about orchestration and so have grouped the string quartets and other wind instruments in a particular order.
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adding colours by using different instruments to voice the chord for example.
This advice in particular is the one that I most of the time forget. Such a simple trick but makes so much difference.
I hope I was able to give you something nice to listen to
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