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ferdik - Sun Apr 15, 2012 9:45 am

Solid Bass from the Roland Dx 100 (?)

Questions:

1. How to get it in software? Is the FM 8 a good solution for old DX sounds?

2. Spectrasonics Trillian, does it have these classic sounds?

Muzik 4 Machines - Sun Apr 15, 2012 9:51 am

it's yamaha, and fm8 is more than enough to make it

there is a lot more where it came from

http://homepage.ntlworld.com/steve.sims/essential_dx7_patches.htm

Wildfunk - Sun Apr 15, 2012 9:58 am

ferdik wrote:

1. How to get it in software?

Importing the sysex file (available for free on the web).

ferdik wrote:

Is the FM 8 a good solution for old DX sounds?

Yes, but some guys say it sounds a little bit different than the hardware.

Also check out Sytrus, it's 40 Euros cheaper than FM8:

http://www.image-line.com/documents/sytrus.html

1-2-Many - Sun Apr 15, 2012 10:16 am

Implied in the previous post, but worth noting that Sytrus can also import DX7 SYX, as well as other VSTs like FM-Heaven, & Rhino. There may be others...

As far as the value of doing so, check out this crusty old thread - http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/archive/instruments/2003-09/25717.php

breakmixer - Sun Apr 15, 2012 11:13 am

ferdik wrote:

Solid Bass from the Roland Dx 100 (?)

Questions:

1. How to get it in software? Is the FM 8 a good solution for old DX sounds?

2. Spectrasonics Trillian, does it have these classic sounds?

Toxic Biohazard has it, also you can import the Sysex from here http://www.abdn.ac.uk/~mth192/html/dx7.html Scroll down till you find this...

SYX files (1,177,600 byte tar file)
These are system exclusive files, each containing one bank of 32 voices.
These are complete with sysex headers.
The original factory patches are here as rom1a.syx - rom4b.syx.

It's in the original factory patches...

FMHeaven, FM8 and a few others can import them...

In the end I bought a Yamaha DX-21(£70.00 off ebay) and when I compared the DX-21 to the Solid Bass of Toxic Biohazard it does sound different IMHO. Other patches were very similar though.

ferdik - Wed Apr 18, 2012 6:20 am

Thank you everyone!

Muzik 4 Machines - Wed Apr 18, 2012 10:51 am

btw, i'm pretty sure the roland rubber bass on al jv/xv rompler was a "reference"/jab at the yamaha solid bass

ferdik - Sat Apr 21, 2012 7:09 am

breakmixer wrote:

Alright, I hit the "File - Import sysex" in FM8, choose one of rom1a - rom 4b.syx and it import only one sound each, Solid bass not one of them. Should it not be more factory presets?

Wildfunk - Sat Apr 21, 2012 7:39 am

ferdik wrote:

Alright, I hit the "File - Import sysex" in FM8, choose one of rom1a - rom 4b.syx and it import only one sound each, Solid bass not one of them. Should it not be more factory presets?

There are all here:

breakmixer - Sat Apr 21, 2012 8:16 am

ferdik wrote:

breakmixer wrote:

Alright, I hit the "File - Import sysex" in FM8, choose one of rom1a - rom 4b.syx and it import only one sound each, Solid bass not one of them. Should it not be more factory presets?

Check what Wildfunk said, I'm not an FM8 user, I used FMHeaven to import them 4 sysex rom1a - rom4b file, each bank should contain 32 presets, so that's 4 x 32 in total, Solid Bass is in their somewhere...

ferdik - Tue Apr 24, 2012 6:28 am

Ok, one more thing! When playing with the Solid Bass in FM8 it have some built in randomness taking away the very first attack on some notes, despite velocity and length is set to equal. Why?

Muzik 4 Machines - Tue Apr 24, 2012 12:35 pm

dial down analog slider, make sure osc are set to retrig

brok landers - Tue Apr 24, 2012 1:14 pm

btw, you might want to know that the so called "solid bass" of the dx7 was actually in a lot of productions _not_ made with the dx7, but with the yamaha tx81z, and the preset is called "lately bass". and it's as well in the dx100. so just so you know, in case you would want to import some presets of these two, too...
and btw, if you want the most original sounding conversion, use fm heaven - out of all vsti's thatone sounds closest to the crappy sound of a dx7/tx81z...

ferdik - Wed Apr 25, 2012 2:17 pm

Muzik 4 Machines wrote:

dial down analog slider, make sure osc are set to retrig

Thank you! Where can I find the retrig option?

Lotuzia - Wed Apr 25, 2012 2:25 pm

Of all sysex imports I used the FM8 function was the best by far.

I wont citate name of the synths who failed to make proper imports, either because they dont share the same parameters set of the original DX series, either because the import function was inconsistant. I did not tried FM heaven though, so if its the best one, then it is.

Fwiw.

brok landers - Wed Apr 25, 2012 3:06 pm

Lotuzia wrote:

the import of sysex files is rather good in fm heaven (haven't really tried others though), but i actually meant, that the sound engine of fm heaven is the closest you can get, if you want that typical, crappy dx sound. fm heaven sounds as quirky as the originals (in a good way), fm7/8 etc sound way too polished to really emulate the ruffness of the tx/dx originals...
don't missunderstand me, all the others are great as well, each on their own, when it comes to fm.

of course, my opinion only, who am i anyway... Wink

Muzik 4 Machines - Wed Apr 25, 2012 3:16 pm

fm7/8 can sound crappy if you max out the digital slider, but raw imports will have it on 0

i found that to match the crappyness of my tx i had to put it two third up (but my rack still has more humph with my signature sawtooth)

izonin - Wed Apr 25, 2012 10:06 pm

Speaking of TX/DX patches, anyone know a good source for mid-80's Chick Corea style ones?

ferdik - Thu Apr 26, 2012 4:36 am

I got both Solid Bass and Lately Bass in FM 8 now. Almost equal, Lately bass got little more mid in it. Both sound have little randomness almost like analog feeling dispute analog is set to 0.

Volume is set to max (100) in FM8, but sound only get to 1/3 in logic mixer which is to low. Some way to increase that or have to gain it in Logic?

Muzik 4 Machines - Thu Apr 26, 2012 9:12 am

dx check the operator outs, they may have all been set to 50 instead of 100

mcnoone - Thu Apr 26, 2012 3:46 pm

izonin wrote:

Speaking of TX/DX patches, anyone know a good source for mid-80's Chick Corea style ones?

If you mean the Elektic Band type sounds, then I've done more than a few for Zebra, that sound exactly like some used in the first Elektric Band albums from 86 and 87.
He's one of my biggest musical influences, so I always go after those kinds of sounds. Not much into the real piano acoustic jazz thing, but the synth fusion stuff, is what I love.
Cheers,
Michael

zorniko - Thu Apr 26, 2012 4:14 pm

http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=4567827#4567827

xoxos - Thu Apr 26, 2012 9:08 pm

i have a 3 osc synth called exposynth that i translated some of the dx100 patches from.

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