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Motion - Mon Apr 16, 2012 9:31 am
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZFaVOvv65ig&feature=player_embedded
pinnowj - Mon Apr 16, 2012 10:10 am
From the sound of it on the website, it's almost like some sort of Alchemy synth. Maybe some new resynthesis tech?
cryophonik - Mon Apr 16, 2012 10:25 am
This website indicates that it uses sample-based spectral synthesis.
Neon Breath - Mon Apr 16, 2012 10:40 am
Need to hear more to make myself an opinion.
DrApostropheX - Mon Apr 16, 2012 11:21 am
Given that it's iZotope, spectral synthesis would make sense. Look liks you can use the meter bridge view from Ozone for editing, somehow? Can't wait to see the price tag.
jensa - Mon Apr 16, 2012 12:05 pm
Aaaand it's live!
http://www.izotope.com/products/audio/iris/
Sampleconstruct - Mon Apr 16, 2012 12:07 pm
jensa wrote:
Checking now!
Keith99 - Mon Apr 16, 2012 12:09 pm
looks interesting although I am not sure I am convinced. Its $149 which could be worse
ariston - Mon Apr 16, 2012 12:10 pm
Cool! Checking it out now.
Looks very promising, doesn't it? Let's see if it delivers.
rexlapin - Mon Apr 16, 2012 12:12 pm
Jensa, you beat me to it. Iris is an awesome instrument which uses the RX selection
tools and the Izotope Resampling/Radius technology in a virtual instrument package.
And although you can't use the meter bridge directly to edit, you can see the results
of your selections and so forth, by putting a meter tap after Iris.
Neon Breath - Mon Apr 16, 2012 12:13 pm
Sampleconstruct wrote:
Curious to see how it's going to compare against MetaSynth, in the spectral manipulation domain.
rexlapin - Mon Apr 16, 2012 12:20 pm
I was also going to add that this was a collaboration between Izotope and
GForce with Chris Randall (from Audio Damage) designing the GUI. I was
on the beta team and I have been having a great time with it. Well worth
checking out!
cryophonik - Mon Apr 16, 2012 12:21 pm
ariston wrote:
Looks very promising, doesn't it?
Yes, it does. I've been lusting for a new synth, one that is not just another VA, so this might be just the ticket.
RussUK - Mon Apr 16, 2012 12:29 pm
Full review, video and audio here http://www.pro-tools-expert.com/home-page/2012/4/16/izotope-iris-review-includes-extended-video-and-audio.html
KBSoundSmith - Mon Apr 16, 2012 12:31 pm
Now that's what I'm talking about. This is the kind of thing that's really exciting. Demoing now...
Sampleconstruct - Mon Apr 16, 2012 12:31 pm
Neon Breath wrote:
Sampleconstruct wrote:
Curious to see how it's going to compare against MetaSynth, in the spectral manipulation domain.
So far not coming anywhere near Metasynth but it's interesting, like a version of RX with a keyboard and FX/LFOS/Envelopes/Loop tools attached - could be really interesting indeed...
Sampleconstruct - Mon Apr 16, 2012 1:27 pm
Here is a first quick and dirty test mangling a simple Lamp Mallet sample (which you hear at the beginning) from one of my Alchemy Banks in Iris:
http://soundcloud.com/sampleconstruct/iris-test-1-lamp-mallet
Sampleconstruct - Mon Apr 16, 2012 1:37 pm
So one can't actually stretch the Audio, a simplified algo of iZotope's Radius is included (limited then to 4 voices at a time) which will stretch the notes to the original length wherever you play them. Inverting frequency selections and moving spectral snippets around very quickly yields really interesting results. The filters are basic but useful, the LFOs assignments are limited to pitch/volume, a Modmatrix let's you assign velocity/aftertouch to LFOs and stuff which is good for keyboarders. Up to 3 samples in one patch plus a 4th Oscillator with so called sub waves (which can be anything from white noise to sinewaves to more complex stuff really).
Neon Breath - Mon Apr 16, 2012 1:39 pm
Thanks Simon for the quick solid reviews. From what I've read so far and heard, probably nothing revolutionary in the spectral domain synths but still a serious contender against Alchemy and Harmor I guess...
Sampleconstruct - Mon Apr 16, 2012 1:43 pm
Neon Breath wrote:
Thanks Simon for the quick solid reviews. From what I've read so far and heard, probably nothing revolutionary in the spectral domain synths but still a serious contender against Alchemy and Harmor I guess...
Don't know Harmor as it's Windows only, wouldn't say a contender for Alchemy as you're missing the real granular synthesis and stretching of things (and all the mutlisampler/Round Robin/velocity/sfz-part of course) but it's a different approach and shurely can be an expressive instrument.
George - Mon Apr 16, 2012 2:34 pm
I have checked the re-synthesis and does not seem a big competitor to Harmor, Alchemy or Vertigo.
But the 4 GB library could be a good catch for most people.
rexlapin - Mon Apr 16, 2012 2:44 pm
The number of samples of Radius ("voices" I believe) is selectable
from 4-10 in the Options panel at top left (the wrench icon). I don't
think Iris is really in competition with anything else. It's real strong
point, imo, is the ability to make selections in the wave files with a
great deal of flexibility and precision.
aMUSEd - Mon Apr 16, 2012 3:10 pm
Looks a lot like Poseidon
aMUSEd - Mon Apr 16, 2012 3:16 pm
Does it support microtuning?
aMUSEd - Mon Apr 16, 2012 3:21 pm
Sampleconstruct wrote:
Neon Breath wrote:
Sampleconstruct wrote:
Curious to see how it's going to compare against MetaSynth, in the spectral manipulation domain.
So far not coming anywhere near Metasynth but it's interesting, like a version of RX with a keyboard and FX/LFOS/Envelopes/Loop tools attached - could be really interesting indeed...
Meta synth is on sale at the moment so I'm seriously considering getting it, Iris is half the price but it soulds like it doesn't have anything I can't do in Alchemy and Poseidon
jensa - Mon Apr 16, 2012 3:29 pm
You can drag and drop files from within Reaper's "Media explorer" to the different sample engines which I find quite nifty.
hibidy - Mon Apr 16, 2012 3:38 pm
pricey
hibidy - Mon Apr 16, 2012 3:41 pm
n/m, of course it does
VitaminD - Mon Apr 16, 2012 3:49 pm
from the demo video.. it looks to have a sample playback dealy for sound generation then a ton of filters mapped to each freq/time on the graph and is affecting the sound this way.. such as the cutoff.. whenever active..
??
hibidy - Mon Apr 16, 2012 4:31 pm
this is awsome, you can do exactly what you can do with skanner for 150 bucks!
jensa - Mon Apr 16, 2012 4:35 pm
hibidy wrote:
this is awsome, you can do exactly what you can do with skanner for 150 bucks!
Ok, I haven't used Skanner, but can you "extract and isolate the most interesting sonic components with a full suite of visual selection tools" in Skanner?
Bronto Scorpio - Mon Apr 16, 2012 4:39 pm
Skanner is something completely different. It uses LFOs, Oscs and Envs to "scan" through a sample. That's not even apples and oranges anymore that's more like apples and rainbows
Iris seems to be a classic spectral editing thingy, like spear, wraped into a synth.
Cheers
Dennis
KBSoundSmith - Mon Apr 16, 2012 4:44 pm
Well, I've been demoing for a bit. It's pretty cool, but, if you already have Alchemy there's nothing here that will make you want to spend money. I think Alchemy more than covers what Iris is trying to do, and after Iris's introductory price is past, I have a hard time imagining that it will be worth the price when you can get Alchemy for the same. One of the things that's cool is the speed that you can a get a result with. But, I don't mind working a little bit slower to get a more careful result.
But it is really fun to use, so there's that to recommend it.
hibidy - Mon Apr 16, 2012 4:55 pm
jensa wrote:
hibidy wrote:
this is awsome, you can do exactly what you can do with skanner for 150 bucks!
Ok, I haven't used Skanner, but can you "extract and isolate the most interesting sonic components with a full suite of visual selection tools" in Skanner?
I don't care. It sounds like chipmonks on higher keys and like being on ludes on lower keys. Doesn't much matter anything else.
One of the fastest demos I've ever done. You know me, HO! I saw nothing here that is any more inspiring than dropping a wav in sampler "a" and then going from there.
jensa - Mon Apr 16, 2012 4:59 pm
hibidy wrote:
I don't care. It sounds like chipmonks on higher keys and like being on ludes on lower keys. Doesn't much matter anything else.
One of the fastest demos I've ever done. You know me, HO! I saw nothing here that is any more inspiring than dropping a wav in sampler "a" and then going from there.
Ha ha. Ooookeeeey. One of the fastest demos I've ever done. You know me, HO! I saw nothing here that is any more inspiring than dropping a wav in sampler "a" and then going from there.
FarleyCZ - Mon Apr 16, 2012 5:05 pm
Another really cool gadget I can't afford. :/ Well, back to V/A...
lightsfadelow - Mon Apr 16, 2012 5:25 pm
Nice review RussUK.
So this is what happens when iZotope does a synth/sampler... it completely turns the genre upside down.
What is especially interesting is how simple it is for the average joe (me) to construct something that sounds really cool, unique, different than something anyone else has. While it's cool that it comes with 4GB worth of samples and two expansions out of the gate, I think what's more interesting for me is that it adds life to every WAV sample I already have floating around on my hard disk. And potentially everything that I can capture with a microphone. I can see this taking me in some very unique directions. I have a vocalist coming over tomorrow night (the same one that recorded this song for me most recently: http://lightsfadelow.com/track/small) and I'm thinking of having her record a bunch of vocal takes that I can then drop into Iris and build a song around instead of a traditional linear vocal track.
What I find most interesting of all is how dead simple it is to get something really cool. With the exception of the necessary LFOs and ADSR envelopes, all of the hard work is totally hidden from you and made simple through the use of the RX2 drawing/selection tools.
This will absolutely show up in one way or another in most of my tracks moving forward...
cryophonik - Mon Apr 16, 2012 5:44 pm
Has anybody tried the Glass or Wood expansion libraries? Thoughts?
vata44 - Mon Apr 16, 2012 5:53 pm
I was wondering what kind of new dimension synthesis would take... I think it is cool. Wish I had the money and time for it.
hibidy - Mon Apr 16, 2012 6:18 pm
cryophonik wrote:
Has anybody tried the Glass or Wood expansion libraries? Thoughts?
yeah, do you want chipmonks, or ludes?
Sampleconstruct - Mon Apr 16, 2012 8:15 pm
A snippet from a Piano Concerto by Tschaikowsky processed/played with Iris:
http://soundcloud.com/sampleconstruct/iris-test-2-piano-concerto
I just figured that the Radius algo (which avoids the chipmunking) can be set to 10 voices and high quality making it sound so much better!
lightsfadelow - Mon Apr 16, 2012 8:25 pm
That sounds awesome. You should put together a video to show how you made it.
A great example of how Iris is going to unlock some serious creativity.
hibidy - Mon Apr 16, 2012 8:36 pm
Sampleconstruct wrote:
I just figured that the Radius algo (which avoids the chipmunking) can be set to 10 voices and high quality making it sound so much better!
I couldn't get that to work here. Maybe there is a bug in windows x64? It just was the same no matter what.
PLUS, the standalone version was all f'ed up. Maybe because there wasn't a setting that was the same as my buffer setting? (64)
Sampleconstruct - Mon Apr 16, 2012 8:39 pm
lightsfadelow wrote:
That sounds awesome. You should put together a video to show how you made it.
A great example of how Iris is going to unlock some serious creativity.
A great example of how Iris is going to unlock some serious creativity.
Cheers, yeah a video should be helpful - need to find some time for that. A nice trick is to lasso a narrow frequency band and then use the magic wand tool on that selection (just click on it) - this will add overtones/spectrals to that selection yielding pretty magical stuff really. I'm buying this!
Sampleconstruct - Mon Apr 16, 2012 8:41 pm
hibidy wrote:
Sampleconstruct wrote:
I just figured that the Radius algo (which avoids the chipmunking) can be set to 10 voices and high quality making it sound so much better!
I couldn't get that to work here. Maybe there is a bug in windows x64? It just was the same no matter what.
PLUS, the standalone version was all f'ed up. Maybe because there wasn't a setting that was the same as my buffer setting? (64)
Hmm, are you sure you set the Pitch parameter to "Radius RT" rather than "resample"? If you choose Radius RT a popup window should show which allows you to adjust the settings for the Radious algo.
hibidy - Mon Apr 16, 2012 9:00 pm
Yeah, I was sure. Frustrating. Tomorrow, when today is over
, I'll reinstall it and see if I can get it to do something but for the time being I just uninstalled it. Sampleconstruct - Mon Apr 16, 2012 9:25 pm
Testing Iris with a recording of singing nuns I made in a Taipei temple some years ago.
http://soundcloud.com/sampleconstruct/iris-test-3-spectralized
munchkin - Mon Apr 16, 2012 9:29 pm
It's one of those plugins you'd buy thinking you'd use it one day and then forget you had it until a v2 upgrade email arrived.
hibidy - Mon Apr 16, 2012 9:32 pm
ROTF! Omg, might be the tequila, but seriously........funny shit.
lightsfadelow - Mon Apr 16, 2012 10:07 pm
First thing I realized is that the standalone version does NOT default to ASIO, so you need to change that or you'll end up with audio garbage when you do Radius RT. Second, make sure you're setting Radius RT on the particular sample that you want to time stretch. Once you turn it on, every note will play at exactly the same speed. If you go into the VST settings (or directly there by clicking the word "voices" which turns red when you have Radius RT on) you can control the Radius RT settings to make it perform better at lower latency or sound better/have a higher range/more notes.
lightsfadelow - Mon Apr 16, 2012 10:09 pm
Hey does anyone know if there's a way to use Radius RT to set the sample playback speed to be DIFFERENT from the WAV file? For example, let's say I have a WAV that has tempo-based elements and it's at 100BPM (like an Acidized Loop) but I want it to play at 120BPM in Iris? Do I need to resample it and bounce it to a new WAV in my DAW first or can I get Radius RT to actually play it at a different tempo?
Sampleconstruct - Mon Apr 16, 2012 10:19 pm
Iris doesn't timestretch unfortunately...
lightsfadelow - Mon Apr 16, 2012 10:23 pm
Well it has time stretch
That's what Radius RT is. It just doesn't let you change the tempo parameter
Man this thing is addictive. I've spent at least 4 hours with it. Must. Sleep.
Sampleconstruct - Mon Apr 16, 2012 10:31 pm
lightsfadelow wrote:
Well it has time stretch
That's what Radius RT is. It just doesn't let you change the tempo parameter
Man this thing is addictive. I've spent at least 4 hours with it. Must. Sleep.
That's what Radius RT is. It just doesn't let you change the tempo parameter
Man this thing is addictive. I've spent at least 4 hours with it. Must. Sleep.
But you understood what I was trying to say
lightsfadelow - Mon Apr 16, 2012 10:35 pm
Yep. That's my first feature request for v2
Crackbaby - Mon Apr 16, 2012 10:38 pm
Hmmz.. i got the demo version straight away .. no 10 day trial so i have those annoying silences turning my musical mojo off
Edit
Quote:
In Trial mode, Iris will work without restriction for 10 days. After 10 days, the product will operate in Demo mode, and will insert silence at regular intervals.
ariston - Mon Apr 16, 2012 10:43 pm
Sampleconstruct wrote:
Iris doesn't timestretch unfortunately...
Can't quite figure this... maybe they left it out for performance reasons. The anti-chipmunk algorithm is already doing a Diva on my machine.
Crackbaby - Mon Apr 16, 2012 10:43 pm
It even says demo has expired o.O I installed it 5 minutes ago
hibidy - Mon Apr 16, 2012 10:44 pm
?
Er a, wasn't it just released today??? Am I missing something? A joke that I just don't related to?
Sorry
Sampleconstruct - Mon Apr 16, 2012 10:46 pm
ariston wrote:
Sampleconstruct wrote:
Iris doesn't timestretch unfortunately...
Can't quite figure this... maybe they left it out for performance reasons. The anti-chipmunk algorithm is already doing a Diva on my machine.
Or they'll release an "Advanced" version for 999 bucks with that feature included
Crackbaby - Mon Apr 16, 2012 10:51 pm
hibidy wrote:
?
Er a, wasn't it just released today??? Am I missing something? A joke that I just don't related to?
Sorry
Er a, wasn't it just released today??? Am I missing something? A joke that I just don't related to?
Sorry
No joke
Must be a little bug somewhere... Even worse of a demo than ... "a competitor that was discussed here recently"
It was pretty cool on drumloops where you could extract the basssy part for instance. Maybe there was and i missed it, it would be cool to have constant pitch and that the keys would change some other parameter .. of some sort. Maybe there was...
hibidy - Mon Apr 16, 2012 10:56 pm
Can you say BUGGGY! I knew you could!
That's ridiculous!
deastman - Mon Apr 16, 2012 10:59 pm
I'm sold. I find this really fast and intuitive to create beautiful, musically useful sounds. Alchemy, while also fantastic, requires a whole lot more fiddling about. I really don't see them as replacing each other.
The only *almost* deal breaker is the lack of time-stretching. It seems like such an obvious oversight that I can't believe they didn't include that functionality. Hopefully in a future version...
ariston - Mon Apr 16, 2012 11:01 pm
Sampleconstruct wrote:
ariston wrote:
Sampleconstruct wrote:
Iris doesn't timestretch unfortunately...
Can't quite figure this... maybe they left it out for performance reasons. The anti-chipmunk algorithm is already doing a Diva on my machine.
Or they'll release an "Advanced" version for 999 bucks with that feature included
Oh yeah... hell!
My late-night session left me impressed, but the cold light of morning has me downshift into neutral.
I'll play with it a bit more.
Sampleconstruct - Mon Apr 16, 2012 11:11 pm
ariston wrote:
....is already doing a Diva on my machine.
THIS is the new industry-standard-term!
Ingonator - Mon Apr 16, 2012 11:22 pm
KBSoundSmith wrote:
Well, I've been demoing for a bit. It's pretty cool, but, if you already have Alchemy there's nothing here that will make you want to spend money. I think Alchemy more than covers what Iris is trying to do, and after Iris's introductory price is past, I have a hard time imagining that it will be worth the price when you can get Alchemy for the same.
I just had a look at the demo myself and instantly had the same feeling. So far nothing that makes me really go "WOW!" in comparison to Alchemy.
The synth controls seem to be quite limited and the is no real mod matrix. Anyway i'll have another look now.
Ingo
Sampleconstruct - Mon Apr 16, 2012 11:43 pm
Now I'm really sold on this:
http://soundcloud.com/sampleconstruct/iris-test-4-spectral
jensa - Tue Apr 17, 2012 4:37 am
I think you have to try and make your own sounds from scratch with your samples to really appreciate the possibilities with the tools and the fast workflow of this little beast. Drag'n'drop some files onto it. Set the regions. Choose playback method and tune it. Draw some areas and start playing.
brick - Tue Apr 17, 2012 4:46 am
Spectral Wonderland = beautiful sound , amazing stuff .
Ingonator - Tue Apr 17, 2012 4:51 am
jensa wrote:
I think you have to try and make your own sounds from scratch with your samples to really appreciate the possibilities with the tools and the fast workflow of this little beast. Drag'n'drop some files onto it. Set the regions. Choose playback method and tune it. Draw some areas and start playing.
I just dragged & dropped one of my own samples into the Iris Standalone using the Windows Explorer and it worked nicely. Cool feature but it does not seem to work with the VST plugin in the same way. For the VST plugin i have to use the file browser of Ableton Live 8 to do drag & drop.
I agree that importing your own samples and "playing" with that sample it is fun.
I imported a Hypersaw sample from the Virus TI and got something which sounds like a Mellotron choir from it. I'll check with some samples i made for my PPG Wave 3.V soundbank.
Ingo
Arglebargle - Tue Apr 17, 2012 5:26 am
"Spectral Wonderland" sounds wonderful. I am intrigued by Iris. I own Alchemy but I find it prohibitively difficult to make anything myself.
Sampleconstruct - Tue Apr 17, 2012 5:30 am
Thank you Brick and Arglebargle (dig that username!!)
jensa - Tue Apr 17, 2012 5:35 am
Ingonator wrote:
I just dragged & dropped one of my own samples into the Iris Standalone using the Windows Explorer and it worked nicely. Cool feature but it does not seem to work with the VST plugin in the same way. For the VST plugin i have to use the file browser of Ableton Live 8 to do drag & drop.
That's a limit of Live I guess. That too works fine in Reaper. osiris - Tue Apr 17, 2012 5:38 am
arglebargle! I scream that at the top of my lungs sometimes just for the fun of it. I'm not understanding what this does. Is it like Max where you draw a picture and the sounds come from that?
(Still upset with Izotope that the Audio Enhancer plugin is locked to Soundforge)
lightsfadelow - Tue Apr 17, 2012 5:47 am
The drag-drop works in the VST in Cubase (from the explorer) in Win7 x64.
Dunc - Tue Apr 17, 2012 5:54 am
It would seem to have a time limit of 60 seconds Wav import. Can anybody confirm this (or confirm I'm a numpty and doing something wrong...
)
Would quite like a few more 'tools' to experiment with, different shaped brushes for example and a 'density / hardness' slider for the brush/eraser would also be good.
Can't seem to find any way of copying a 'brushed' part of the spectrum, and pasting it somewhere else on the same spectrum (hope that makes sense).
Does anyone from Izotope ever appear on KVR to hear these requests ?
When's version 2 coming out...
.
Crackbaby - Tue Apr 17, 2012 6:22 am
Weird.. The demo is expired from start in energyXT but not in Live (lite) .. can anyone try it in energyXT and confirm please..?
hibidy - Tue Apr 17, 2012 6:26 am
jensa wrote:
Ingonator wrote:
I just dragged & dropped one of my own samples into the Iris Standalone using the Windows Explorer and it worked nicely. Cool feature but it does not seem to work with the VST plugin in the same way. For the VST plugin i have to use the file browser of Ableton Live 8 to do drag & drop.
That's a limit of Live I guess. That too works fine in Reaper. Jensa wins
:dance:
jensa - Tue Apr 17, 2012 6:41 am
hibidy wrote:
jensa wrote:
Ingonator wrote:
I just dragged & dropped one of my own samples into the Iris Standalone using the Windows Explorer and it worked nicely. Cool feature but it does not seem to work with the VST plugin in the same way. For the VST plugin i have to use the file browser of Ableton Live 8 to do drag & drop.
That's a limit of Live I guess. That too works fine in Reaper. Jensa wins
:dance:
lightsfadelow - Tue Apr 17, 2012 6:57 am
Dunc wrote:
It would seem to have a time limit of 60 seconds Wav import. Can anybody confirm this (or confirm I'm a numpty and doing something wrong... )
Would quite like a few more 'tools' to experiment with, different shaped brushes for example and a 'density / hardness' slider for the brush/eraser would also be good.
Can't seem to find any way of copying a 'brushed' part of the spectrum, and pasting it somewhere else on the same spectrum (hope that makes sense).
Does anyone from Izotope ever appear on KVR to hear these requests ?
When's version 2 coming out...
.
)
Would quite like a few more 'tools' to experiment with, different shaped brushes for example and a 'density / hardness' slider for the brush/eraser would also be good.
Can't seem to find any way of copying a 'brushed' part of the spectrum, and pasting it somewhere else on the same spectrum (hope that makes sense).
Does anyone from Izotope ever appear on KVR to hear these requests ?
When's version 2 coming out...
.
Haven't tried to import a longer sample. Not surprised though.
I think it speaks to the promise of Iris that everyone can wrap ther mind around it and get results so quick that they are already thinking of v2. With something so unique I think you have to focus on your core value proposition first and then see how people react.
Sampleconstruct - Tue Apr 17, 2012 7:00 am
It imports long wavs fine here, I loaded a whole piano concerto of 45 minute duration earlier this morning.
lightsfadelow - Tue Apr 17, 2012 7:04 am
Nice.
Dunc - Tue Apr 17, 2012 7:19 am
Perhaps I should be more specific (I am a numpty it would seem).
I can get it to load over a minute of sound, but it will not play back more than than one minute. No loops selected, completely fresh instance of IRIS.
On Win 7 64 Bit with 8 Gig RAM, so that's not the problem.
Strange...
Sampleconstruct - Tue Apr 17, 2012 7:35 am
Dunc wrote:
Perhaps I should be more specific (I am a numpty it would seem).
I can get it to load over a minute of sound, but it will not play back more than than one minute. No loops selected, completely fresh instance of IRIS.
On Win 7 64 Bit with 8 Gig RAM, so that's not the problem.
Strange...
I can get it to load over a minute of sound, but it will not play back more than than one minute. No loops selected, completely fresh instance of IRIS.
On Win 7 64 Bit with 8 Gig RAM, so that's not the problem.
Strange...
Oh I see what you mean know, yeah I noticed that when you lasso a large portion of a file only part of that area will be greyed out->meaning selected, the right portion willbe inside the lasso but not grey - so there could be a limitation indeed, haven't found anything in the manual about it yet.
Ingonator - Tue Apr 17, 2012 7:44 am
hibidy wrote:
jensa wrote:
Ingonator wrote:
I just dragged & dropped one of my own samples into the Iris Standalone using the Windows Explorer and it worked nicely. Cool feature but it does not seem to work with the VST plugin in the same way. For the VST plugin i have to use the file browser of Ableton Live 8 to do drag & drop.
That's a limit of Live I guess. That too works fine in Reaper. Jensa wins
:dance:
I have tried in Reaper 4 (which i got too) but drag & drop from the Windows Explorer does not work for me. So this only worked with the Standalone version of Iris. My OS is Windows 7 32-bit.
UPDATE:
This also seems to work with Tobybear MiniHost but running the plugin in MiniHost is almost like using the Standalone version.
Ingo
jensa - Tue Apr 17, 2012 7:53 am
Ingonator wrote:
I have tried in Reaper 4 (which i got too) but drag & drop from the Windows Explorer does not work for me. So this only worked with the Standalone version of Iris. My OS is Windows 7 32-bit.
Ok. I'll try to check that too. Will. Be. Back. jensa - Tue Apr 17, 2012 8:07 am
Ingonator wrote:
I have tried in Reaper 4 (which i got too) but drag & drop from the Windows Explorer does not work for me. So this only worked with the Standalone version of Iris. My OS is Windows 7 32-bit.
Ok. I haven't got Windows 7 32-bit but running the 32-bit version of Reaper it's still possible for me to drag and drop from Windows Explorer right into the plugin interface. A quite strange discrepancy if I may say so... 
Sampleconstruct - Tue Apr 17, 2012 8:18 am
So that 60 sec limitation seems to have been ported over from their Spectron Plug-In where you can only load morph source-wavs up to 60 seconds, probably the same technology/code behind it?
Sampleconstruct - Tue Apr 17, 2012 8:43 am
Testing Iris with one of my Tremor Grooves and a second instance with a pad made from a french horn snippet:
http://soundcloud.com/sampleconstruct/iris-test-5-groove
Echoes in the Attic - Tue Apr 17, 2012 9:08 am
I noticed in the video that playing higher keys resulting in the playhead moving faster and lower keys made it go slower, kind of like tape of vinyl behaves. Is there a way to make the playhead play the same speed regardless of pitch (while still being in spectral mode)?
FarleyCZ - Tue Apr 17, 2012 9:09 am
Question: Demoing Iris got me into thinking about buying Alchemy again. With student discount I'd save about 40$ or so (compared to iris). Can't got them both by any way, so what would you choose? Eventhough this looks cool, Alchemy feels still a bit more ... beast-ish.
Sampleconstruct - Tue Apr 17, 2012 9:11 am
Echoes in the Attic wrote:
I noticed in the video that playing higher keys resulting in the playhead moving faster and lower keys made it go slower, kind of like tape of vinyl behaves. Is there a way to make the playhead play the same speed regardless of pitch (while still being in spectral mode)?
On the upper right of the GUI set pitch to Radius instead of Resample to avoid chipmunking, this thread is full of it
Adjust the Radius settings to your liking (and CPU power).
Sampleconstruct - Tue Apr 17, 2012 9:13 am
FarleyCZ wrote:
Question: Demoing Iris got me into thinking about buying Alchemy again. With student discount I'd save about 40$ or so (compared to iris). Can't got them both by any way, so what would you choose? Eventhough this looks cool, Alchemy feels still a bit more ... beast-ish.
If it's either or, get Alchemy.
Echoes in the Attic - Tue Apr 17, 2012 9:13 am
Sampleconstruct wrote:
Echoes in the Attic wrote:
I noticed in the video that playing higher keys resulting in the playhead moving faster and lower keys made it go slower, kind of like tape of vinyl behaves. Is there a way to make the playhead play the same speed regardless of pitch (while still being in spectral mode)?
On the upper right of the GUI set pitch to Radius instead of Resample to avoid chipmunking, this thread is full of it
Sorry, at work, haven't downloaded the demo yet. But couldn't help ask questions.
I thought Radius used granular resynthesis, no?
Sampleconstruct - Tue Apr 17, 2012 9:14 am
Echoes in the Attic wrote:
Sampleconstruct wrote:
Echoes in the Attic wrote:
I noticed in the video that playing higher keys resulting in the playhead moving faster and lower keys made it go slower, kind of like tape of vinyl behaves. Is there a way to make the playhead play the same speed regardless of pitch (while still being in spectral mode)?
On the upper right of the GUI set pitch to Radius instead of Resample to avoid chipmunking, this thread is full of it
Sorry, at work, haven't downloaded the demo yet. But couldn't help ask questions.
I thought Radius used granular resynthesis, no?
It stretches the audio quite well to the original speed of the wav file at all pitches, of course introducing more artifacts with extreme transpositions. But one can't alter the timestretching so it's always 100% of the original.
lightsfadelow - Tue Apr 17, 2012 9:16 am
Echoes in the Attic wrote:
I noticed in the video that playing higher keys resulting in the playhead moving faster and lower keys made it go slower, kind of like tape of vinyl behaves. Is there a way to make the playhead play the same speed regardless of pitch (while still being in spectral mode)?
Yes if you turn on Radius RT it will time stretch so that the play head moves at the same rate for every key.
Sampleconstruct - Tue Apr 17, 2012 9:16 am
Summarizing today's Iris-experiments in one widget:
http://soundcloud.com/sampleconstruct/sets/testing-iris/
bmanic - Tue Apr 17, 2012 9:20 am
Well this is a rather interesting concept but I think iZotope missed a LOT of opportunities here.
It's rather basic actually, considering what might have been possible.
For instance, it'd be much more interesting if each marked area was treated as it's own key-group with it's own sends, envelopes and filters. It'd also be much more interesting if it did some stretching and tempo syncing together with the ability to force some marked zones as static, non-pitch shifting.
There was a LOT of potential here but perhaps it will evolve into a 2nd release a few years from now.
There's really nothing you can do here that you can't do in Alchemy, except the spectral synth part of Alchemy is mono. My money is on Alchemy Version 2. Once that comes around I'm certain it'll basically do the same plus a whole lot more.
Finally, I'm not entirely convinced by the actual sound produced by Iris. No matter how much you tweak, it all has a very "similar" sound to it. Would have been nice to be able to select the filter steepness or "edges" around each marked zone.
I understand that iZotope probably wanted to keep this as simple and as intuitive as possible but still.. it could have been so much more. Oh well.
Cheers!
bManic
bmanic - Tue Apr 17, 2012 9:24 am
Sampleconstruct wrote:
FarleyCZ wrote:
Question: Demoing Iris got me into thinking about buying Alchemy again. With student discount I'd save about 40$ or so (compared to iris). Can't got them both by any way, so what would you choose? Eventhough this looks cool, Alchemy feels still a bit more ... beast-ish.
If it's either or, get Alchemy.
It depends. Try both demos.
Alchemy is very cumbersome to work with when it comes to the spectral part.. and it's mono, but basically you can do some of the same things plus a whole lot more.
It's also well known that Camel Audio are constantly updating their product and I'm sure Alchemy 2.0 can't be more than a year away so investing in alchemy now might be a good idea. I don't know what iZotope's upgrade policy has been or how frequently they update their more exotic plugins.
Bang for buck definitely goes to Alchemy whereas ease of use and immediate cool results definitely goes to iZotope Iris.
Then there's also Image-Line Harmor to consider. Personally I can't stand the GUI of that thing but the results you can get with it are nothing short of amazing!
Cheers!
bManic
cryophonik - Tue Apr 17, 2012 9:29 am
bmanic wrote:
Well this is a rather interesting concept but I think iZotope missed a LOT of opportunities here.
It's rather basic actually, considering what might have been possible.
For instance, it'd be much more interesting if each marked area was treated as it's own key-group with it's own sends, envelopes and filters. It'd also be much more interesting if it did some stretching and tempo syncing together with the ability to force some marked zones as static, non-pitch shifting.
There was a LOT of potential here but perhaps it will evolve into a 2nd release a few years from now.
There's really nothing you can do here that you can't do in Alchemy, except the spectral synth part of Alchemy is mono. My money is on Alchemy Version 2. Once that comes around I'm certain it'll basically do the same plus a whole lot more.
Finally, I'm not entirely convinced by the actual sound produced by Iris. No matter how much you tweak, it all has a very "similar" sound to it. Would have been nice to be able to select the filter steepness or "edges" around each marked zone.
I understand that iZotope probably wanted to keep this as simple and as intuitive as possible but still.. it could have been so much more. Oh well.
Cheers!
bManic
It's rather basic actually, considering what might have been possible.
For instance, it'd be much more interesting if each marked area was treated as it's own key-group with it's own sends, envelopes and filters. It'd also be much more interesting if it did some stretching and tempo syncing together with the ability to force some marked zones as static, non-pitch shifting.
There was a LOT of potential here but perhaps it will evolve into a 2nd release a few years from now.
There's really nothing you can do here that you can't do in Alchemy, except the spectral synth part of Alchemy is mono. My money is on Alchemy Version 2. Once that comes around I'm certain it'll basically do the same plus a whole lot more.
Finally, I'm not entirely convinced by the actual sound produced by Iris. No matter how much you tweak, it all has a very "similar" sound to it. Would have been nice to be able to select the filter steepness or "edges" around each marked zone.
I understand that iZotope probably wanted to keep this as simple and as intuitive as possible but still.. it could have been so much more. Oh well.
Cheers!
bManic
I just expressed nearly the identical sentiments on another forum. So many missed opportunities here. I don't see how Izotope expects Iris to compete with Alchemy once the intro price is gone and it goes to $249 without seriously beefing this synth up.
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