KVR :: Effects » Roundtone multitrack tape emulation and delay - new v.3 - First VIDEO [View Original Topic]
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quintosardo - Sat Apr 21, 2012 4:30 am
And here is a teaser about the new one
Roundtone v.3 is going to cost 29.99$, but it is a free update for all users existing before the official release
Going to beta soon...
Here is the meaning of the new parameters:
- B exp is that "B type noise reduction expander". Used as a dynamic enhancer on the high frequencies. Its small metering bas shows the amount of expansion introduced
- Wow stands for wow and flutter. It has several modes (small menu)
- Mono to mono or stereo to stereo flanging can be achieved by mixing wowed signal and dry one (mix knob). Flange control is for left-right flanging. Very useful for widening effects
- Delay, well, is a feedback around the emulation. Tape delay through the set tape emulation
Several modes available through the small menu, it should cover all the main mixing and effects dues
- Noise. Finally the noise. With the option for dynamic mode (like in Strip). Dynamic noise is active only under a signal, it is silenced when the input level goes down. This is ti get its enhancing "dithering" effect without that trivial constant background hiss, so annoying if you put some compression after the tape.
The original modes are untouched (I love and use them everyday), some new modes are added, mainly with requested brighter sound.
Here is a simple video about the new Roundtone v.3 (multitrack drums)
Roundtone v.3 - Multitrack drums demo
Bronto Scorpio - Sat Apr 21, 2012 4:34 am
Woah! This is great! Can't wait to try it
Cheers
Dennis
toine6 - Sat Apr 21, 2012 4:38 am
Bronto Scorpio wrote:
Woah! This is great! Can't wait to try it
Cheers
Dennis
Cheers
Dennis
No. "Woah!" is not included in this update, but "WOW!!" most certainly is
ChasingAndromeda - Sat Apr 21, 2012 5:46 am
Excellent news, Quinto!! Looking forward to the new version!
Aloysius - Sat Apr 21, 2012 5:56 am
audiosabre - Sat Apr 21, 2012 6:01 am
Looks awesome. I really didn't think it would evolve this much when I bought it (I love the current version). Looks like it's fully-featured now
Looking forward to this (and the strip v2 bugfix
) jens - Sat Apr 21, 2012 6:23 am
Gimme!
filter303 - Sat Apr 21, 2012 6:28 am
Does the delay and flanger have tempo sync?
quintosardo - Sat Apr 21, 2012 6:35 am
Yes, of course
Dr.Gunjah - Sat Apr 21, 2012 7:44 am
Wow quinto, this looks amazing
I already use roundtone in every mix, now it's getting even more features
Are the new parameters shared by the tape machines or individual like gain?
Cheers,
Doc
quintosardo - Sat Apr 21, 2012 7:58 am
Wow is shared, effects are individual
filter303 - Sat Apr 21, 2012 10:18 am
quintosardo wrote:
Yes, of course
I am missing a good tape delay and this might be just what I need.
I already have the v2 of your tape plugin so this is really good news for me.
Tape delay for free
quintosardo - Sat Apr 21, 2012 10:36 am
And don't overlook a doubling/widening tape effect
rifftrax - Sat Apr 21, 2012 12:36 pm
I have this plug so I'm definitely looking forward to version 3. Just bought Stripbus... how long does it take to get the download normally? I can't wait to use it.
@midnight - Sat Apr 21, 2012 3:36 pm
Has anybody compared this to TB Reelbus? Reelbus seems to be getting great reviews, I remember Roundtone got similarly great reviews when it was released.
kmonkey - Sat Apr 21, 2012 3:47 pm
@midnight wrote:
Has anybody compared this to TB Reelbus? Reelbus seems to be getting great reviews, I remember Roundtone got similarly great reviews when it was released.
It's not out yet. I mean v3 which is announced here is not available for public. I have v2. To my ear TB Reelbus is in completely different territory and different sounding. Thus i can't say which is better since both are so different. If i am forced to choose between the two i think TB Reelbus would win for me. Note that i am big fan and owner of awesome Sknote products and their top notch support and price.
However TB Reelbus is damn fine tool.
Hey wait..i have advice after all...
They are both VERY cheap...get both Roundtone and TB Reelbus and be done with it
rifftrax - Sat Apr 21, 2012 9:38 pm
@midnight wrote:
Has anybody compared this to TB Reelbus? Reelbus seems to be getting great reviews, I remember Roundtone got similarly great reviews when it was released.
Yeah, IMO realbus can't compete. The distortion that realbus introduces is infinitely more obvious and glaring. Roundtone is extremely organic and is probably one of my most used fx plugins to date. Crazy effective for doing peak limiting/compression while warming up a sound. YMMV.
eytanmich123 - Sat Apr 21, 2012 10:16 pm
Has anyone compared ReelBus V2 to Roundtone V3 ??
I heard that UAD has a new STUDER in the worx (called INTRUDER)
Has anyone compared to it ??
@midnight - Sat Apr 21, 2012 10:19 pm
rifftrax wrote:
@midnight wrote:
Has anybody compared this to TB Reelbus? Reelbus seems to be getting great reviews, I remember Roundtone got similarly great reviews when it was released.
Yeah, IMO realbus can't compete. The distortion that realbus introduces is infinitely more obvious and glaring. Roundtone is extremely organic and is probably one of my most used fx plugins to date. Crazy effective for doing peak limiting/compression while warming up a sound. YMMV.
Thanks. Do you have any preferences for master bus settings?
bitman - Sun Apr 22, 2012 4:06 pm
Kick didley poo!
Can't wait to have mine!
quintosardo - Wed May 02, 2012 2:44 pm
Ok, here are some audio previews for Roundtone v.3
(sorry for the file sizes, I'm not going to upload such things as mp3 tape sound samples)
This is the new DolB enhancer.
It is a stereo drums loop (a stereo pair on the kit).
Starts dry, then DolB is slowly increased. You can hear how it passes through a bad spot (you can hear the "swish"), then comes to a sweet spot where everything is really bright but doesn't become harsh like through a static filter. This is a gain of 10dB!
Roundtone_v3_enhancer
This is about the new wow and flutter feature.
The same drums loop start dry, then wow is slowly increased and then slowly back to dry. You can hear the highs smearing (heavy handed here, of course):
Roundtone_v3_WOW
This is fun. It is the new tape delay feature. I slice just one hit from the same drums loop, with long delay and high feedback, and manage the tape machine parameters to get the hit changing. Sometimes I raise the gain to get back the loop running.
Wow, action, emphasis involved here while the loop runs:
Roundtone_v3_Delay
The whole tape machine is in the feedback loop, from input gain, through algorithms, to output volume. This allows to manage the whole sound in several ways, e.g. increase input gain to get more saturated delays.
Bronto Scorpio - Wed May 02, 2012 3:01 pm
Awesome
I'm looking forward to the update
Cheers
Dennis
3ee - Wed May 02, 2012 3:16 pm
AFAIK, Roundtone, doesn't feature tape saturation... why?
It always felt very odd to me, that it doesn't.
Is it because you didn't fully wrapped the saturation part with all of the other tape goodness?
It it a CPU issue.. or are you thinking that with all these saturators around, we can choose and blend which one we like at any given situation?
@midnight - Wed May 02, 2012 3:21 pm
3ee wrote:
AFAIK, Roundtone, doesn't feature tape saturation...
bduffy - Wed May 02, 2012 3:59 pm
OH wow. That tape delay sounds really, really interesting!
bitman - Wed May 02, 2012 4:12 pm
Ship it.....Ship-it!
quintosardo - Wed May 02, 2012 9:16 pm
3ee wrote:
AFAIK, Roundtone, doesn't feature tape saturation... why?
It always felt very odd to me, that it doesn't.
Is it because you didn't fully wrapped the saturation part with all of the other tape goodness?
It it a CPU issue.. or are you thinking that with all these saturators around, we can choose and blend which one we like at any given situation?
It always felt very odd to me, that it doesn't.
Is it because you didn't fully wrapped the saturation part with all of the other tape goodness?
It it a CPU issue.. or are you thinking that with all these saturators around, we can choose and blend which one we like at any given situation?
???
Of course it does, what else??
Burillo - Wed May 02, 2012 11:37 pm
No it doesn't! It features Super Ultra Analog Tape Goodness and Warmth Physical Modeling Engine, patent pending!
jam92189 - Wed May 02, 2012 11:56 pm
wow almost missed this, looks amazing quinto. Great job on the new look and nice new effects cant wait for the update. The delay sounds very cool.
jam92189 - Thu May 03, 2012 12:02 am
also i am pretty sure it does saturate. Its a subtle effect made to help you enhance your mix. At least that's how I use it and I love it for that. often effects that just add a bunch of saturation are doing more harm than good.
Also the toneboosters tape emulation is actually a very nice plugin but not the same it has its own feel and sound. I find them both great but would choose roundtone over the other if I had to chose one. both top notch though i find it nice to enhance things when it needs to be more upfront about it
and roundtone is just perfect to be in everywhere in the mix along with strip:)
quintosardo - Thu May 03, 2012 2:57 am
Yes, of course it saturates
What does tape do?
I couldn't record that never ending delay loop, otherwise...
jam92189 - Thu May 03, 2012 3:13 am
quintosardo wrote:
Yes, of course it saturates
What does tape do?
I couldn't record that never ending delay loop, otherwise...
What does tape do?
I couldn't record that never ending delay loop, otherwise...
I thought so. Please tell me the new modes are still smooth and subtle like the originals.
really like that delay. is there a way to set it to maybe ping pong? probably with the wow and flutter settings would be a nice way to set it up
3ee - Thu May 03, 2012 3:51 am
Well, sorry, didn't knew since I didn't test it.
What I remembered was from the initial release, something about not featuring saturation that's all.
quintosardo - Thu May 03, 2012 3:52 am
Yes, all modeled algos. The original ones are untouched (I really love them), the new ones have an emphasis on highs (independent from the enhancer). The enhancer can make very bright the old ones, too, if needed, so that we can use extreme settings and restore the highs.
Several delay modes: stereo, ping pong, stereo->mono->stereo
jam92189 - Thu May 03, 2012 4:17 am
3ee wrote:
Well, sorry, didn't knew since I didn't test it.
What I remembered was from the initial release, something about not featuring saturation that's all.
What I remembered was from the initial release, something about not featuring saturation that's all.
Just to clarify i meant you no offense.
jam92189 - Thu May 03, 2012 4:20 am
quintosardo wrote:
Yes, all modeled algos. The original ones are untouched (I really love them), the new ones have an emphasis on highs (independent from the enhancer). The enhancer can make very bright the old ones, too, if needed, so that we can use extreme settings and restore the highs.
Several delay modes: stereo, ping pong, stereo->mono->stereo
Several delay modes: stereo, ping pong, stereo->mono->stereo
That is a nice thing to have. may i also suggest a cross stereo. left goes right right goes left. I know its not exactly a tape machine concept but a nice effects to have if left and right parts are different.
kbaccki - Thu May 03, 2012 6:52 am
quintosardo wrote:
Several delay modes: stereo, ping pong, stereo->mono->stereo
Sweet, sign me up! Oh wait, I'm already signed up... what's the upgrade price going to be, if any?
EDIT: d'oh.. nevermind! Just re-read the first post...
Echoes in the Attic - Thu May 03, 2012 7:00 am
Can the wow and flutter get extreme like Reelbus and magnetic? Ie. it detunes as opposed to just working on the eq right? Looking forward to that in particular.
quintosardo - Thu May 03, 2012 7:55 am
No upgrade price, it is a free upgrade!
Wow and flutter: it is a frequency and amplitude modulation. Mr. Hilbert helps to analize them
Echoes in the Attic - Thu May 03, 2012 10:32 am
quintosardo wrote:
No upgrade price, it is a free upgrade!
Wow and flutter: it is a frequency and amplitude modulation. Mr. Hilbert helps to analize them
Wow and flutter: it is a frequency and amplitude modulation. Mr. Hilbert helps to analize them
Sorry, when you say frequency, do you mean just the frequency bands, ie. the eq only?
Wow and flutter should wobble the pitch like an unstable tape that slows down and speeds up.
I don't hear wow and flutter in the Wow example that was posted.
quintosardo - Thu May 03, 2012 1:32 pm
Yes, sorry, I meant pitch.
There is pitch and amplitude modulation in the example. Just enough to smear the frequencies.
Already a lot worse than a good tape machine.
Nothing periodic there, though.
paterpeter - Thu May 03, 2012 2:00 pm
I can still buy v2 @ $19 and get v3 as a free upgrade, right?
quintosardo - Thu May 03, 2012 2:01 pm
Yes, jump on
paterpeter - Thu May 03, 2012 2:08 pm
Cool, will do (tomorrow, I'll go to bed now - I hope you won't bump up the price overnight, will you?)
quintosardo - Thu May 03, 2012 2:37 pm
Oh, I'd like to, it would mean v.3 is released... but I can't...
Echoes in the Attic - Thu May 03, 2012 2:47 pm
quintosardo wrote:
Yes, sorry, I meant pitch.
There is pitch and amplitude modulation in the example. Just enough to smear the frequencies.
Already a lot worse than a good tape machine.
Nothing periodic there, though.
There is pitch and amplitude modulation in the example. Just enough to smear the frequencies.
Already a lot worse than a good tape machine.
Nothing periodic there, though.
Cool, looking forward to hearing it maxed out.
karrikuh - Thu May 03, 2012 9:57 pm
Seems like an incredible update!
Any chance of including Hicut-Locut filters in the feedback path of the delay for Roland Space Echo like effects?
Also, from your explanations, it seems, your "Wow" effect is actually a high frequency flutter (modulation in the kHz range) rather then slow pitch modulation (< 1 Hz) which I thought is what the term "Wow" refers to. I would really like to have proper "wow" too!
quintosardo - Thu May 03, 2012 11:06 pm
Working on a full featured delay, this is a tape machine and it must keep its identity, so delay is very simple, while the tape machine gives great control on the sound.
No, wow and flutter are complete, not just flutter
paterpeter - Fri May 04, 2012 1:21 am
After having slept over it I decided not to buy Roundtone.
I decided to buy the Roundtone/Presence bundle instead
quintosardo - Fri May 04, 2012 1:53 am
Mmhhh... I think you are going to like the Presence update, too
Burillo - Fri May 04, 2012 2:05 am
quintosardo wrote:
Mmhhh... I think you are going to like the Presence update, too
multitrack exciter with delay???
Proteinshake - Fri May 04, 2012 3:01 am
Say Quinto, is Roundtone already 64 bit VST on Mac?
Artgiver - Fri May 04, 2012 3:02 am
There's a Presence update? Hmmm, i may have to get the bundle as well.
synaesthesia - Fri May 04, 2012 5:39 am
Roundtone AND Presence updates? Good stuff!
quintosardo - Fri May 04, 2012 6:20 am
Proteinshake wrote:
Say Quinto, is Roundtone already 64 bit VST on Mac?
Yes, all the "grey" series (from Roundtone on) is Win/Mac(VST/AU)/32/64
Proteinshake - Fri May 04, 2012 9:57 am
quintosardo wrote:
Yes, all the "grey" series (from Roundtone on) is Win/Mac(VST/AU)/32/64
That's great news! Just sent you an email, course I totally missed that
MFXxx - Fri May 04, 2012 10:56 am
@Quinto
Release ETA for
1. Rountone v3
2. Prescence Update
3. Delay release
...anything else in the pipeline
Hardware ^^ or software
kmonkey - Fri May 04, 2012 1:11 pm
MFXxx wrote:
@Quinto
Release ETA for
1. Rountone v3
2. Prescence Update
3. Delay release
...anything else in the pipeline Hardware ^^ or software
Release ETA for
1. Rountone v3
2. Prescence Update
3. Delay release
...anything else in the pipeline
Hardware ^^ or software
Mos likely Bus compressor with that new Opto mode..we wait for this for quite some time now..
bduffy - Fri May 04, 2012 1:23 pm
Can't wait for that shit!
Bronto Scorpio - Fri May 04, 2012 1:29 pm
bduffy wrote:
Can't wait for that shit!
+1
I'm really looking forward to the update
Cheers
Dennis
Bronto Scorpio - Fri May 04, 2012 1:35 pm
bduffy wrote:
Can't wait for that shit!
+1
I'm really looking forward to the update
Cheers
Dennis
kbaccki - Fri May 04, 2012 5:10 pm
paterpeter wrote:
After having slept over it I decided not to buy Roundtone.
I decided to buy the Roundtone/Presence bundle instead
I decided to buy the Roundtone/Presence bundle instead
Good choice. Presence is very useful, IMO.
rifftrax - Fri May 04, 2012 5:23 pm
You know what I'm jonesing for is the sknote everything bundle ...
WANT
cyphersuit - Sat May 05, 2012 12:05 am
Do we get an e-mail once the update is out?
Spitfire31 - Sat May 05, 2012 12:14 am
cyphersuit wrote:
Do we get an e-mail once the update is out?
Of course not. It's going to be a well-kept secret for a very select few.
Artgiver - Sat May 05, 2012 4:48 am
Just purchased Roundtone, only after noticing it's now Sat morn. I don't suppose there's any way i could get it before Monday is there Quinto? If not i understand.
Tim
quintosardo - Sat May 05, 2012 5:15 am
No problem at all,
sending some soon...
jam92189 - Sat May 05, 2012 5:25 am
rifftrax wrote:
You know what I'm jonesing for is the sknote everything bundle ...
WANT
WANT
Ha I'm all for that
Artgiver - Sat May 05, 2012 6:07 am
..oh good, thanks Quinto!
quintosardo - Sun May 06, 2012 2:12 am
How many times did I tell you don't touch the tape with your hands?
HunterKiller - Sun May 06, 2012 2:31 am
quintosardo wrote:
Working on a full featured delay, this is a tape machine and it must keep its identity, so delay is very simple, while the tape machine gives great control on the sound.
No, wow and flutter are complete, not just flutter
No, wow and flutter are complete, not just flutter
Oh good.
Can you do what another user requested on page 3, and give us full control over the panning of left and right channels. (Controls akin to PSP's MD608)
Getting that 70's delay is essential for me.
And unlike MD608, I'd also like to be able to add delay to either channel but still have its dry signal start at the same time as the opposite channel.
jam92189 - Sun May 06, 2012 2:33 am
HunterKiller wrote:
quintosardo wrote:
Working on a full featured delay, this is a tape machine and it must keep its identity, so delay is very simple, while the tape machine gives great control on the sound.
No, wow and flutter are complete, not just flutter
No, wow and flutter are complete, not just flutter
Oh good.
Can you do what another user requested on page 3, and give us full control over the panning of left and right channels. (Controls akin to PSP's MD608)
Getting that 70's delay is essential for me.
And unlike MD608, I'd also like to be able to add delay to either channel but still have its dry signal start at the same time as the opposite channel.
yea the ping pong thing i mentioned would be cool to have.
jam92189 - Sun May 06, 2012 2:34 am
quintosardo wrote:
can you do this with roundtone quinto? that's awesome i dont know what i would ever use that for but its cool to have ha
quintosardo - Sun May 06, 2012 2:38 am
Yes, this is a trick in v.3
Now you can automate the tape speed, so you can even build your own wow+flutter how you want it.
Very cool for pitch changing echoes.
jam92189 - Sun May 06, 2012 2:40 am
quintosardo wrote:
Yes, this is a trick in v.3
Now you can automate the tape speed, so you can even build your own wow+flutter how you want it.
Very cool for pitch changing echoes.
Now you can automate the tape speed, so you can even build your own wow+flutter how you want it.
Very cool for pitch changing echoes.
cool im sure i could figure out a way to use it honestly i like the smearing effect on it sounds really smooth
Bronto Scorpio - Sun May 06, 2012 3:02 am
quintosardo wrote:
Yes, this is a trick in v.3
Now you can automate the tape speed, so you can even build your own wow+flutter how you want it.
Very cool for pitch changing echoes.
Wow! That's a really cool feature Now you can automate the tape speed, so you can even build your own wow+flutter how you want it.
Very cool for pitch changing echoes.
Cheers
Dennis
thecontrolcentre - Sun May 06, 2012 3:21 am
Is v3 available yet?
HunterKiller - Sun May 06, 2012 3:57 am
jam92189 wrote:
HunterKiller wrote:
quintosardo wrote:
Working on a full featured delay, this is a tape machine and it must keep its identity, so delay is very simple, while the tape machine gives great control on the sound.
No, wow and flutter are complete, not just flutter
No, wow and flutter are complete, not just flutter
Oh good.
Can you do what another user requested on page 3, and give us full control over the panning of left and right channels. (Controls akin to PSP's MD608)
Getting that 70's delay is essential for me.
And unlike MD608, I'd also like to be able to add delay to either channel but still have its dry signal start at the same time as the opposite channel.
yea the ping pong thing i mentioned would be cool to have.
Yup, for me if Quinto could combine some of MD608's controls together with another delay: "P-1 Tapedelay", then add all of his funky innovations and make the whole thing have a life of its own....well that would be one ultimate tape delay.
Barring the different tape settings that "Echo Trip" has of course.
cyphersuit - Sun May 06, 2012 1:50 pm
Spitfire31 wrote:
cyphersuit wrote:
Do we get an e-mail once the update is out?
Of course not. It's going to be a well-kept secret for a very select few.
Some updates came without any notification via email... So i believe i asked a legtimate question here..
quintosardo - Sun May 06, 2012 1:57 pm
Yes, this one will be directly distributed by email!
Artgiver - Sun May 06, 2012 4:26 pm
Hey Quinto, i still haven't received my order (v2 of Roundtone) via email yet.
Checked spam box too. I'm the same guy who bought "Grease" not to long ago who had problems receiving it as well (forgot the reason). Remember?
Timothy (WordSong)
TheoM - Sun May 06, 2012 5:02 pm
With updates, cause i have never received one from you before, so i just presume since i bought the products there has BEEN no updates.. are they automatic?
i.e. do you send notices?
cheers!
quintosardo - Mon May 07, 2012 2:08 am
More than notices, the update is sent directly, as a link or an attachment.
davebattista - Sun May 13, 2012 6:53 am
any news??
TheoM - Sun May 13, 2012 8:37 am
fantastic thanks quinto
Tp3 - Wed May 23, 2012 11:17 am
is it out ?
bduffy - Wed May 23, 2012 11:20 am
Tp3 wrote:
is it out ?
Nope, still in Windows beta.
Tp3 - Wed May 23, 2012 11:21 am
Thanks!
bduffy - Wed May 23, 2012 11:23 am
Tp3 wrote:
Thanks!
No problem. This is a pretty damn exciting plug-in, I think this could become everyone's favourite tape delay (and sim)!
Tp3 - Wed May 23, 2012 11:38 am
bduffy wrote:
Tp3 wrote:
Thanks!
No problem. This is a pretty damn exciting plug-in, I think this could become everyone's favourite tape delay (and sim)!
Well, I do own it but having bought ReelBus just like...ummm.... not so long ago... it'll be interesting trying to compare (trying. I give myself no more the 5-10 minutes).
bduffy - Wed May 23, 2012 11:44 am
Tp3 wrote:
bduffy wrote:
Tp3 wrote:
Thanks!
No problem. This is a pretty damn exciting plug-in, I think this could become everyone's favourite tape delay (and sim)!
Well, I do own it but having bought ReelBus just like...ummm.... not so long ago... it'll be interesting trying to compare (trying. I give myself no more the 5-10 minutes).
Yeah, ReelBus is pretty excellent too. OK, maybe not "everyone's favourite tape sim", but it's going to be hard to beat for tape delay, at this price, IMHO!
quintosardo - Sun May 27, 2012 12:05 pm
Here is a simple video about the new Roundtone v.3 (multitrack drums)
Roundtone v.3 - Multitrack drums demo
HunterKiller - Sun May 27, 2012 12:19 pm
Quinto, the gui could now use a slight lift. Maybe some colors in there and textures.
kbaccki - Sun May 27, 2012 12:22 pm
I have a feeling I will be using that plug for all sorts of lead and rhythm guitar ping pong delay...
audiosabre - Tue May 29, 2012 4:05 am
Got mine this morn. Thanks Quinto, going to have a session with it.
Fritze - Tue May 29, 2012 4:27 am
Cool, thanx for the update! Got my email this morning and didn't have time to check it out before work.
kmonkey - Tue May 29, 2012 4:34 am
audiosabre wrote:
Got mine this morn. Thanks Quinto, going to have a session with it.
Is it out? new Roundtone?
quintosardo - Tue May 29, 2012 4:54 am
Yes, it is out!
Distributed Win licenses, sending Mac ones...
thecontrolcentre - Tue May 29, 2012 5:04 am
quintosardo wrote:
Yes, it is out!
Distributed Win licenses
I didn't get mine yet ... Distributed Win licenses
jam92189 - Tue May 29, 2012 5:05 am
got mine I love the delay quinto one of the smoothest tape delays I have heard