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D.H. Miltz - Tue May 01, 2012 2:31 am
Let the noodling commence.
Laguna Rising - Tue May 01, 2012 3:09 am
mmhhh...
it looks like we must avoid arpeggiated stuf....
...unless it's muted maybe...
kryptonaut - Tue May 01, 2012 3:44 am
Quote:
...Monophony may not have underlying rhythmic textures, and must consist of only a melodic line.
It's not quite clear what that means - does the 'underlying rhythmic texture' refer to rhythm in the melodic part (such as arpeggiation), or does it refer to an accompanying rhythm (eg drum track)? I can see the latter being invalid, but not sure about arpeggiation - I don't really know how you could avoid any rhythm in the melody.
Also, can the instrument providing the melody change? Eg singing, then whistling or something, so long as only one is present at a time?
D.H. Miltz - Tue May 01, 2012 4:05 am
kryptonaut wrote:
Quote:
...Monophony may not have underlying rhythmic textures, and must consist of only a melodic line.
It's not quite clear what that means - does the 'underlying rhythmic texture' refer to rhythm in the melodic part (such as arpeggiation), or does it refer to an accompanying rhythm (eg drum track)? I can see the latter being invalid, but not sure about arpeggiation - I don't really know how you could avoid any rhythm in the melody.
Also, can the instrument providing the melody change? Eg singing, then whistling or something, so long as only one is present at a time?
The last part's easier to answer: I don't see why not. For that matter, you could have more than one instrument at the same time, as long as they're playing the same thing (octaves included/allowed).
To me the part you quoted means above all No chords. And no accompanying rhythm track like a drum track either. Melody only is the idea.
Does that help?
kryptonaut - Tue May 01, 2012 4:20 am
Thanks - 'no chords and no rhythm track' is pretty much what I thought, but when I saw Laguna's comment I wanted to make sure.
It will be fascinating to see what everyone comes up with - three minutes of pure melody feels like quite a challenge!
pljones - Tue May 01, 2012 4:46 am
Oh, if I had time... Lots of room for careful use of richly-timbred instruments playing against each other... Flute and dulcimer, anyone? Does an organ count as monophonic? I can feel a piece in sections, cross-fading from one mood to another, all playing the one melody... The "call and answer" approach, maybe... Oh well.
GMoneh - Tue May 01, 2012 6:24 am
Who will be so brave as to do an a-capella??
(No, that won't be me
) shrikant - Tue May 01, 2012 6:27 am
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8m-6bU4x7us
Peter Weirs classic Picnic at Hanging Rock.
That haunting pan flute....May be that,it can not be mono in the strictest sense with that underlying stack swelling and subsiding........I just wanted to remember this classic. Most of you will be knowing about it. Some may get inspired
gorgorgathgorgorgor - Tue May 01, 2012 7:24 am
When I think of monophonic music, I think of the verious asian forms, but they typically include percussion (like tabla in Indian music) and a drone (tanpura). Another example would be bagpipes. There's melody and an unchanging drone, but no harmony. The strict definition provided for this comp is rather limiting. Lets see what we come up with!
Laguna Rising - Tue May 01, 2012 9:02 am
kryptonaut wrote:
It will be fascinating to see what everyone comes up with - three minutes of pure melody feels like quite a challenge!
Yeah ! a challenge indeed.
I guess it'll be a fun month
Laguna Rising - Tue May 01, 2012 9:07 am
Emerald Tablet wrote:
www.youreallfree.com/music/1205EmeraldTablet-mono.mp3
Woow ET, that was fast !
(and it's nice)
A couple of years ago someone could have started a discussion complaining the reverb tails are too long...
Emerald Tablet - Tue May 01, 2012 11:37 am
Thanks. All praise to Xoxos though for his "plucked" really
"plucked" is great because it behaves funny.
Reverb and delay tails can never be too long.
I always wondered what it is that makes us spot the difference between
a long note slowly fading away ... a tone with long decay slowly fading away ... and a fat reverb on 50% with a very long decay slowly fading away.
inboxzero - Tue May 01, 2012 12:50 pm
I can't see how an arpeggio could not class as a melody, provided two of the notes don't overlap, since it is just notes in a scale.
I have a thinking this month, I may be disqualified..... (I want a drone note probably!!!!)
RuediRena - Tue May 01, 2012 10:42 pm
Hm, may I use, say, some bass, flute, several drums, human voice. Playing one or two notes alternately as long as always only one note sounds?
bzur - Tue May 01, 2012 10:59 pm
RuediRena wrote:
Hm, may I use, say, some bass, flute, several drums, human voice. Playing one or two notes alternately as long as always only one note sounds?
That has something to do with Schoenberg's "Klangfarbenmelodie".
from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Klangfarbenmelodie:
[...] splitting a musical line or melody between several instruments, rather than assigning it to just one instrument (or set of instruments), thereby adding color (timbre) and texture to the melodic line
interesting point, it's not in contrast with the rules, IMHO.
D.H. Miltz - Wed May 02, 2012 12:53 am
bzur wrote:
RuediRena wrote:
Hm, may I use, say, some bass, flute, several drums, human voice. Playing one or two notes alternately as long as always only one note sounds?
That has something to do with Schoenberg's "Klangfarbenmelodie".
from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Klangfarbenmelodie:
[...] splitting a musical line or melody between several instruments, rather than assigning it to just one instrument (or set of instruments), thereby adding color (timbre) and texture to the melodic line
interesting point, it's not in contrast with the rules, IMHO.
Yep. It's not quite what I had in mind, but it seems to fit. Except maybe the drums, unless they're tuned to make part of the melody.
As for a drone note, I think that does go outside the definition given (which is deliberately restrictive), but I wouldn't disqualify an entry over it. Some voters are bothered by theme-stretching (for lack of a better word), some aren't (I am, except when I'm not); either way, it's best left to them.
kryptonaut - Wed May 02, 2012 1:18 am
I'd feel a drone is definitely outside the spirit of the definition. Surely the purpose of having a themed contest is to stretch creativity within the given constraints, rather than to try to stretch the constraints to fit a different style?
The given definition of monophony emphasises melody, specifying that the music should 'consist of only a melodic line', which to my mind would rule out drones.
pljones - Wed May 02, 2012 3:22 am
D.H. Miltz wrote:
Yep. It's not quite what I had in mind, but it seems to fit. Except maybe the drums, unless they're tuned to make part of the melody.
My five toms are tuned... but I'd expect proper "tuned" drums, as you say, when it comes to scoring this month. (I won't have time to put anything together unless a rift opens in the space time continuum allowing me to find an extra couple of weeks...) oddbod - Wed May 02, 2012 4:24 am
Can we presume vocals are okay as long as the vocal melody is the same melody as any accompanying sound?
D.H. Miltz - Wed May 02, 2012 4:27 am
oddbod wrote:
Can we presume vocals are okay as long as the vocal melody is the same melody as any accompanying sound?
As long as the notes are the same (octaves included), yes. folderol - Wed May 02, 2012 10:51 am
Well, seeing as melody really is my 'thing' this month should be a breeze... yeah right
I really must try to get something together though. All work and no play, as they say 
P.S.
I don't think having drones would be in the spirit of this challenge, and would say that (time permitting) my voting would reflect that.
IrionDaRonin - Wed May 02, 2012 12:07 pm
This will be a difficult one to be honest.
I have two ideas to make. One electronic and another one instrumental (of course asian) and i will choose which one it would be better.
Anyway, i will make a little track, to listen a whole monophonic track it can be really repetitive and i don't want to bore you all hehe.
I have a doubt:
If i use extreme delays in a monophonic line is this consider out of rules? For example, i have a note in C in the first measure, the extreme delay will merge with the next measure which is on G (which it would sound like a fifth chord in some cases, but still it's a monophonic line, so...)
Guitar solos/Piano solos will get an easy challenge this month, i think.
Have a good day
rp314 - Wed May 02, 2012 12:13 pm
bzur wrote:
RuediRena wrote:
Hm, may I use, say, some bass, flute, several drums, human voice. Playing one or two notes alternately as long as always only one note sounds?
That has something to do with Schoenberg's "Klangfarbenmelodie".
When I saw the theme yesterday I wondered if anyone would gravitate in that direction. Apparently there are at least 3 around here who would..
Although, there are many examples of interesting stuff that sticks to just one instrument.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cCFk0f8szes&feature=related
Peterhud - Wed May 02, 2012 7:21 pm
Does the mix have to be monophonic too, or are we allowed to use stereo technology?
inboxzero - Thu May 03, 2012 1:28 am
IrionDaRonin wrote:
If i use extreme delays in a monophonic line is this consider out of rules? For example, i have a note in C in the first measure, the extreme delay will merge with the next measure which is on G (which it would sound like a fifth chord in some cases, but still it's a monophonic line, so...)
Guitar solos/Piano solos will get an easy challenge this month, i think.
I did have another idea of using infinite delays to build up the tune, but then thought that would probably be against the rules.
So essentially, I'm possibly left with bass or guitar solo, possibly doubled on something else. I may record the song with a drone and then mute it for rendering out.
Given melody is not my strongest point, I am both excited by the prospect of being forced to write a melody and absolutely petrified by it too....
gorgorgathgorgorgor - Thu May 03, 2012 12:27 pm
My whole point earlier was that drones are absolutely part of traditional monophonic music, and therefore are in the spirit of a monophonic comp. In my humble opinion the problem is the defininition used. It limits to the point of eliminating the traditional monophonic forms.
JJBiener - Thu May 03, 2012 7:45 pm
IrionDaRonin wrote:
If i use extreme delays in a monophonic line is this consider out of rules? For example, i have a note in C in the first measure, the extreme delay will merge with the next measure which is on G (which it would sound like a fifth chord in some cases, but still it's a monophonic line, so...)
I have to think this is outside the spirit of the contest. I do have to admit that this was my first thought as well, but I have come to think better of it.
When I think of monophony, I tend to think of chant, specifically Gregorian. Of course delay/reverb is essential in developing the tone, however you don't hear it being used to simulate harmony.
That's my two cents. I am going to play around with this for the next few days to see what I come up with.
slartibartfast - Thu May 03, 2012 8:05 pm
JJBiener wrote:
IrionDaRonin wrote:
If i use extreme delays in a monophonic line is this consider out of rules? For example, i have a note in C in the first measure, the extreme delay will merge with the next measure which is on G (which it would sound like a fifth chord in some cases, but still it's a monophonic line, so...)
I have to think this is outside the spirit of the contest. I do have to admit that this was my first thought as well, but I have come to think better of it.
When I think of monophony, I tend to think of chant, specifically Gregorian. Of course delay/reverb is essential in developing the tone, however you don't hear it being used to simulate harmony.
That's my two cents. I am going to play around with this for the next few days to see what I come up with.
That would be my view also. Appropriate levels of reverb (a la Gregorian Chant) which blur the transitions between notes would be OK in my book, but any use of delay to create harmony would be against the spirit of this month's contest IMHO. Similar thing with long release tails creating overlapping notes - I would be very careful about using these. Rule of thumb - one sound at a time (with octaves permitted).
I'm calling your two cents, and raising it to three
folderol - Fri May 04, 2012 1:15 pm
gorgorgathgorgorgor wrote:
My whole point earlier was that drones are absolutely part of traditional monophonic music, and therefore are in the spirit of a monophonic comp. In my humble opinion the problem is the defininition used. It limits to the point of eliminating the traditional monophonic forms.
This may well be true (I honestly wouldn't know), but in the spirit of the contest I would say that it could be used to mask an otherwise not very well thought out tune, as can chords and harmonies. If there in nothing except the melody then there really is nowhere to hide that awkward transition, timing gaffe, etc.
gorgorgathgorgorgor - Fri May 04, 2012 4:00 pm
folderol wrote:
gorgorgathgorgorgor wrote:
My whole point earlier was that drones are absolutely part of traditional monophonic music, and therefore are in the spirit of a monophonic comp. In my humble opinion the problem is the defininition used. It limits to the point of eliminating the traditional monophonic forms.
This may well be true (I honestly wouldn't know), but in the spirit of the contest I would say that it could be used to mask an otherwise not very well thought out tune, as can chords and harmonies. If there in nothing except the melody then there really is nowhere to hide that awkward transition, timing gaffe, etc.
Well I just wanted to make the point. The idea I have for my piece won't involve a drone anyway, so all is well.
inboxzero - Sat May 05, 2012 2:36 am
gorgorgathgorgorgor wrote:
My whole point earlier was that drones are absolutely part of traditional monophonic music, and therefore are in the spirit of a monophonic comp. In my humble opinion the problem is the defininition used. It limits to the point of eliminating the traditional monophonic forms.
Agreed!
Mister Natural - Sat May 05, 2012 10:04 am
^ I would simply remind the participants that this is DH's sandbox, not a democracy. If he wants to define a contest as Mono Piece with "non-drone", that's his perogative.
I really can't participate this month 'cause I cannot create a piece without needlessly wanking "weedly-weedly-dee" on my Strat for ~3 minutes. My work depends on texture & atmosphere
peace
IrionDaRonin - Sat May 05, 2012 2:48 pm
Thanks for the replies so far.
I already finished my shitty experiment. But i think i will show to D. H. Miltz before, so he can say if i'm in or i must change somethings.
Have a good day
JJBiener - Sat May 05, 2012 3:58 pm
My submission for the month is in. In the past, I was lucky to get it in at all let alone in the first week. I just happened to have some time today, and the inspiration was upon me.
D.H. Miltz - Sat May 05, 2012 4:47 pm
Not my sandbox, I'm just the volunteer, uh, sandbox guy.
I didn't know about drones (and even percussion, apparently) and traditional monophonic music, but if I had I would probably have still excluded them from the contest definition (as with non-octave intervals in unison, and for the same reason).
IrionDaRonin, you don't need to run your entry by me, though I guess if you really want to you can. My take on your question about long delays is pretty much the same as JJBiener's and slartibartfast's.
IrionDaRonin - Sun May 06, 2012 1:38 am
Then i don't take the concept yet. I have doubts.
We stand monophonic as:
- No chords (except octaves), no harmonies, no acompaniments.
or
- Only one note at time in the whole track.
I'm still a bit confused, hehe. And i was making the second thing, a track only with one note at same time, only one instrument.
Can anyone show me the light?
Have a good day
Doc Jon - Sun May 06, 2012 4:02 am
It is certainly a challenge!
I've got the bare bones of a piece done. Looking at the MIDI notes it is strictly monophonic with only one note played at a time (apart from some octave intervals)
However...
I'm working on the basis that a finger picked guitar line is monophonic so I'm assuming that a certain amount of decay of the note is ok, even if it runs into the next note (or two). I'm also assuming that as Gregorian chant is a good example of monophonic music then a cathedral (monastery) sized reverb is ok cos that's what they use!
I guess monophony will be in the ear of the beholder when it comes to voting so we will have to see
Jon
forw - Sun May 06, 2012 4:09 am
IrionDaRonin wrote:
Then i don't take the concept yet. I have doubts.
- No chords (except octaves), no harmonies, no acompaniments.
or
- Only one note at time in the whole track.
- No chords (except octaves), no harmonies, no acompaniments.
or
- Only one note at time in the whole track.
yes, I'm still not sure either.
What if I play an arrangement of a song with my monophonic synth?
8 bars bassline switching to 8 bars chord-arpeggio, 8 bars melody etc.
It would be only one note at a time. But there would be some kind of harmonies..
in summary:
- switching instruments is allowed, I guess (see the "schoenberg" post earlier)
- playing melody lines in unison (same or different octave, same or different sound)is ok
- using long sustain/delay/reverb is ok (see earlier posts)
- can I add baselines inbetween the melody?( I would say yes, cause it's actually also some kind of melody)
- is usage of arpeggios allowed? ( I would say yes, cause it's also some kind of melody)
- playing two or more notes at the same times is forbidden, of course
pljones - Sun May 06, 2012 8:03 am
A sine wave has no harmonics. Any other shaped waveform introduces harmonics. OK, not harmony...
An organ has stops that influence the mix between fundamental, sub-harmonics and harmonics; a full pipe organ has a wide array of tones and textures to pull on. Using the pedal board (with one set up), lower manual (with a second set up) and upper manual (with a third set up) in a monophonic arrangement - i.e. in unison or at octave intervals - would still be a pretty forceful sound.
So many things I'd try if I had time...
rockstar_not - Sun May 06, 2012 12:22 pm
Well,
I've listened to the two entries so far, and I would say that one meets the requirements, and the other does not. Hopefully Emerald Tablet will not be upset with me (I did vote him #1 in the contest a couple months back) - his entry holds a sustain down so that the melody becomes an underlying chord, two times in the track at least.
In my understanding of the rules, this violates the rules for this month's contest.
I would also be up for him re-submitting legally by simply removing that sustain - if it is judged by DHM to be in violation.
-Scott
D.H. Miltz - Sun May 06, 2012 6:47 pm
I begin to see the allure of the free-for-all.
My basic answer to all the questions can be summed up by quoting Doc Jon:
Quote:
I guess monophony will be in the ear of the beholder when it comes to voting
But I'll try to answer more specifically.
IrionDaRonin wrote:
And i was making the second thing, a track only with one note at same time, only one instrument.
That seems fine. With the very long delays you asked about it could move into a grayer area. Are you repeatedly or constantly making harmonic intervals with the delayed notes? More than might naturally occur with some instruments? If so, then maybe rethink it, but that's your call.
Doc Jon wrote:
I'm working on the basis that a finger picked guitar line is monophonic so I'm assuming that a certain amount of decay of the note is ok, even if it runs into the next note (or two).
I'm trying to figure this one out myself as I try out different ideas. I think with some instruments a certain amount is inevitable, but some care should be taken that notes aren't ringing out and stacking into chords. It is tricky. On reverb: seems okay to me.
forw wrote:
What if I play an arrangement of a song with my monophonic synth?
8 bars bassline switching to 8 bars chord-arpeggio, 8 bars melody etc.
It would be only one note at a time. But there would be some kind of harmonies..
8 bars bassline switching to 8 bars chord-arpeggio, 8 bars melody etc.
It would be only one note at a time. But there would be some kind of harmonies..
If it would be only one note at a time, I guess so. I don't understand how there would be harmonies, so I can't answer that.
forw wrote:
- using long sustain/delay/reverb is ok (see earlier posts)
Yes, but also see cautionary earlier posts re: delay.
forw wrote:
- can I add baselines inbetween the melody?( I would say yes, cause it's actually also some kind of melody)
Again, if it is one note at a time, that could be switching instruments...without hearing it I'd say yes. Voters might disagree.
forw wrote:
is usage of arpeggios allowed? ( I would say yes, cause it's also some kind of melody)
Unless I'm misunderstanding what an arpeggio is--and with the cautions about stacking notes in mind--I don't see why not.
rockstar_not wrote:
Well,
I've listened to the two entries so far, and I would say that one meets the requirements, and the other does not. Hopefully Emerald Tablet will not be upset with me (I did vote him #1 in the contest a couple months back) - his entry holds a sustain down so that the melody becomes an underlying chord, two times in the track at least.
In my understanding of the rules, this violates the rules for this month's contest.
I would also be up for him re-submitting legally by simply removing that sustain - if it is judged by DHM to be in violation.
-Scott
I think theme violations aren't quite rule violations and are best dealt with/interpreted by voters*.
I've listened to the two entries so far, and I would say that one meets the requirements, and the other does not. Hopefully Emerald Tablet will not be upset with me (I did vote him #1 in the contest a couple months back) - his entry holds a sustain down so that the melody becomes an underlying chord, two times in the track at least.
In my understanding of the rules, this violates the rules for this month's contest.
I would also be up for him re-submitting legally by simply removing that sustain - if it is judged by DHM to be in violation.
-Scott
*By which I don't mean only by voting. I've heard repeatedly variations on "If you think something violates the rules/theme, just don't vote for it." The implication being that it is unseemly to also discuss it in the gossip thread (except, maybe, in reviews). To which I can only say: Bunk. If something seems wrong with an entry then saying so is entirely reasonable, calling it to the attention of other voters is entirely reasonable, and so on (this assumes a lack of personal attacks). Not required or anything, but okay.
pljones - Mon May 07, 2012 12:17 am
arpeggio - think of playing a harp. The strings are played one at a time but the long decay means you can clearly hear chords. So if that's the use an arpeggio is put to, I'd call it out.
D.H. Miltz - Mon May 07, 2012 12:34 am
pljones wrote:
arpeggio - think of playing a harp. The strings are played one at a time but the long decay means you can clearly hear chords. So if that's the use an arpeggio is put to, I'd call it out.
I'd agree. The ringing out is what I wasn't clear on. Is it still an arpeggio if the notes are discrete/not ringing out? IrionDaRonin - Mon May 07, 2012 12:53 am
Well, i'm doing a kind of arpeggios too (manuals). So they are like a melody.
But instead of:
XXXX XXXX XXXX XXXX
Which could sound like a chord if the decay is long.
It's more like:
X-X- --X- X--- X---
And a structure like that. Like a plucked melody.
Note ON = X
Note Off = -
No chords, only some octaves. And portamento notes (monophonic).
With a bit of reverb, and a slighty delay.
I'm doing a kind of "accompaniment", due i'm doing the "bass" for the melody, with the same instrument, but the notes NEVER touch each others in the same column. And the decay of each note doesn't touch the next one neither, due it's a slow arpeggio.
So it's more like this:
X= Note ON, high note.
B= Note ON, low note.
-= Note off.
X-B- --X- X--- X---
And thus, the whole melody.
The instrument used is the Guzheng, which it sounds exactly like it has to sound.
It's that ok?
That's my entry practically. But i would like to do things well, i wouldn't like to get disqualified.
Have a good day
D.H. Miltz - Mon May 07, 2012 1:25 am
First, just to be clear: If it follows the rules that are there every month no matter what the theme is then it won't be disqualified, even if I don't think it fits the theme.
From what you described, you have a plucked melody with a low/bass part as part of the melody but with no overlapping notes (except some octaves). Is that right?
IrionDaRonin - Mon May 07, 2012 1:56 am
Yes, but the "bass" sounds sometimes, not always, and the octaves are only for the high plucked part in some final measures, not for the "bass". The "bass" always goes alone, never octaved.
I'm even thinking on putting here a little example of the song, a little part of the track could explain it better than me, hehe.
I will post it later, i must go right now.
See you later.
Have a good day
coincidental - Mon May 07, 2012 2:44 am
I would say that using arpeggios has got to be fine in general - otherwise you'd be excluding Bach's violin partitas (less the occasional double stops), and that's a pretty decent monophonic work. Bach also sketches in bass lines etc - something you can hear Bobby McFerrin doing a lot.
But all of this involves no overlapping tones - or even reverb tails (although a little bit can be nice of course). The specific issue has to be over the degree of sustain of individual notes - either in themselves or as delays or reverbs.
And here I would agree that a harp gliss, for instance, wouldn't be within the definition - or perhaps any harp arpeggio apart from a very very slow one - as the notes would be heard to overlap, even though on a midi piano roll they might not.
The trouble is that it's very subjective - how much ambient or note-sustain overlap is acceptable? I dunno, but certainly you can imply harmony and counterpoint while remaining 100% monophonic within the definition.
Just MHO of course - maybe one month I'll pull myself together and enter...
inboxzero - Mon May 07, 2012 8:42 am
Ok tune uploaded. Tried to keep it in the spirit of the competition, with some hacking of the release parameters. Hope nobody is too offended by it....
IrionDaRonin - Tue May 08, 2012 3:32 pm
Sorry to hear about your familiar, James.
Try to have a good week and good luck in the contest.
furrytoes - Wed May 09, 2012 6:28 am
The only question for me was that some sounds, eg Reaktor which I would like to use, I think in many cases use a bunch of subtle underlying rhythmical movements. So I guess I'd have to limit the plugin sounds I use to fairly simple ones.
My Ear Bleeds Wine - Wed May 09, 2012 9:09 am
Just recently discovered this site and found this section, very glad I did. seems like a great month to enter for the first time
subjectiveness abound.
I have tried to enter within the rules of engagement however if anyone spots anything, pls let me know if it needs changing.
I have changed instruments, used long reverbs and played some notes in unison. Except for the notes in unison, I have only played one note at a time.
folderol - Wed May 09, 2012 12:50 pm
Well, I'm in this month. Now to start listening to everyone else and realise how crap my entry is
Oh, and welcome aboard My Ear Bleeds Wine.
P.S.
You really should see a doctor about that.
Hmmm,
Maybe a spiritualist
nahkaorava - Thu May 10, 2012 2:51 am
Shiiet...!
Also new here, just found this forum! Cool to have this kind of competition,
it forces you to be creative and work in new ways!
Definitely gonna participate in this one, got already my song under construction! My Ear Bleeds Wine - Thu May 10, 2012 10:42 am
folderol wrote:
Oh, and welcome aboard My Ear Bleeds Wine.
P.S.
You really should see a doctor about that.
Hmmm,
Maybe a spiritualist
Thanks matey.
Hmmm, or maybe Tesco's! I am sure they want an all new "Wax and Wine" styled beverage!
Edit: Noob Question but can anyone tell me what the voting proceadure is pls?
forw - Thu May 10, 2012 1:32 pm
My Ear Bleeds Wine wrote:
Edit: Noob Question but can anyone tell me what the voting proceadure is pls?
Vote for your Top 10 favorite compositions, in order (most-favorite = #1, proceed downward).
Voting ends on ...
No voting for yourself. Voters must have had 20 prior posts, or at least have participated in the contest this month.
Once you place your vote, you cannot change it, unless permission has been granted by the moderator.
In the case of equal scores after voting, entries will be separated by how many 10 pts (i.e., how many #1 votes) they got, then 9 pts and so on. (Thanks to OSC for this rule.)
You must participate in voting to win prizes!
My Ear Bleeds Wine - Thu May 10, 2012 3:31 pm
forw wrote:
My Ear Bleeds Wine wrote:
Edit: Noob Question but can anyone tell me what the voting proceadure is pls?
Vote for your Top 10 favorite compositions, in order (most-favorite = #1, proceed downward).
Voting ends on ...
No voting for yourself. Voters must have had 20 prior posts, or at least have participated in the contest this month.
Once you place your vote, you cannot change it, unless permission has been granted by the moderator.
In the case of equal scores after voting, entries will be separated by how many 10 pts (i.e., how many #1 votes) they got, then 9 pts and so on. (Thanks to OSC for this rule.)
You must participate in voting to win prizes!
Yea I read that
My bad, I guess the question should have been: How do you submit your votes? D.H. Miltz - Thu May 10, 2012 7:56 pm
My Ear Bleeds Wine wrote:
How do you submit your votes?
When the submission period is over there will be a thread started for voting, so you'll just post them there. My Ear Bleeds Wine - Sat May 12, 2012 8:48 am
D.H. Miltz wrote:
My Ear Bleeds Wine wrote:
How do you submit your votes?
When the submission period is over there will be a thread started for voting, so you'll just post them there.Thanks mate, I will keep an eye out for the thread.
bluedad - Sat May 12, 2012 2:18 pm
My Ear Bleeds Wine wrote:
Thanks mate, I will keep an eye out for the thread.
It will be a sticky toward the top of the Music Cafe forum. You won't have to look hard.
Nystul - Mon May 14, 2012 7:22 am
I was just thinking it would be quite novel to pull out Delay Llama for this contest. Then I glanced at submission thread and see it's already been done!
inboxzero - Thu May 17, 2012 4:21 am
It's a bit tumbleweed this month competition wise.
Which is interesting given the competition is essentially, write an interesting melody.
Liking the entries I've managed to listen to so far. Two appear to not play (offthewall, beanpole) directly, so I'll download them later.
folderol - Fri May 18, 2012 10:39 am
Some thoughts.
EmeraldTablet mono
Interesting melody. Like the way you vary the decay of the notes. Pushing your luck a little maybe from the middle onwards
JJBiener Enchantable
Almost an extension of ETs tune. Smoother, but not quite so pleasant (to me). I think it's the vocoder sound that's putting me off.
InboxZero NaAlmaDeTodosCoisas
Ah, I was wondering who would be first with an orchestral piece. Very cleverly done.
evo2slo SingleStringTheory
Mmmm. Rock on baby! Not often the lead guitarist gets the whole stage to himself
nikp2000 time_split
Wow! Multiple interleaved tunes. Very original. I like it.
offthewall BigBryansLament
Been a long time since we've heard that whistle. Very traditional with no tricks. It works well as a solo instrument at the start.
Patrick9 Japonica
Rather curious ethnic mix. Nicely done, but a bit thin on melody to these very western-trained ears.
MyEarBleedsWine OdeToEsmarelda
The bells! The bells! Well, that quite an introduction. Campanology will never be the same
DocJon Contemplation
Delicious bit of picking. Very smoth introuction of the flute, and was that a glockenspiel I heard in the background?
beanpole Monophobe
Started out sounding like 'My First Keyboard', but actually grows on you as it develops. Very short.
rockstarnot mono
Some clever work with filters and modulation there. Automated or done by hand? Works well anyway. Think you might be nudging against the boundaries with those echos
Patrick9 - Fri May 18, 2012 1:34 pm
folderol wrote:
Some thoughts.
Patrick9 Japonica
Rather curious ethnic mix. Nicely done, but a bit thin on melody to these very western-trained ears.
Patrick9 Japonica
Rather curious ethnic mix. Nicely done, but a bit thin on melody to these very western-trained ears.
Ahh so Grasshopper - Listen! There! Between the notes.
JJBiener - Fri May 18, 2012 7:28 pm
Nystul wrote:
I was just thinking it would be quite novel to pull out Delay Llama for this contest. Then I glanced at submission thread and see it's already been done!
Delay Lama was my first thought when I saw the description. It is hard to find an instance where it fits, but this seemed perfect.
JJBiener - Fri May 18, 2012 7:32 pm
folderol wrote:
Some thoughts.
JJBiener Enchantable
Almost an extension of ETs tune. Smoother, but not quite so pleasant (to me). I think it's the vocoder sound that's putting me off.
JJBiener Enchantable
Almost an extension of ETs tune. Smoother, but not quite so pleasant (to me). I think it's the vocoder sound that's putting me off.
I used Delay Lama for that vocal sound. I know it is a bit odd, but given the constraints of the contest I was looking for something that would really make the track stand out. I generally use unusual harmonies to make things interesting, but that wasn't available this time.
rockstar_not - Fri May 18, 2012 8:33 pm
folderol wrote:
rockstarnot mono
Some clever work with filters and modulation there. Automated or done by hand? Works well anyway. Think you might be nudging against the boundaries with those echos
First of all, thanks for all the effort you put in to listening and commenting, and finally all of the color coding in your comments - that's commendable.
I recorded the modulation live as I played it. I didn't quantize, since I made up this line on the fly I thought I would just let it kind of go on it's own like a japanese watercolor of sorts.
Then, I came back and added Camelphat and recorded mouse-move fiddling with the filter. Then I exported it and called it a day. I realize I probably bent the rules with the delays.
inboxzero - Sat May 19, 2012 9:43 am
folderol wrote:
InboxZero NaAlmaDeTodosCoisas
Ah, I was wondering who would be first with an orchestral piece. Very cleverly done.
Thank you for the very kind comment.
nahkaorava - Tue May 22, 2012 5:56 am
Phew! Finally got my song uploaded! You guys got some good songs there, nice!
JJBiener - Wed May 23, 2012 8:19 am
I am curious. It would seem that I am coming close to my download limit on Soundcloud for this month's entry. What do others generally do when this kind of thing occurs?
Thanks,
JJ
bzur - Wed May 23, 2012 8:36 am
JJBiener wrote:
I am curious. It would seem that I am coming close to my download limit on Soundcloud for this month's entry. What do others generally do when this kind of thing occurs?
Thanks,
JJ
Thanks,
JJ
I'd remove the older tracks, or the less important ones... or move to a premium account, or create another account for the contests only, or... or...
kryptonaut - Wed May 23, 2012 1:31 pm
JJBiener wrote:
I am curious. It would seem that I am coming close to my download limit on Soundcloud for this month's entry. What do others generally do when this kind of thing occurs?
Thanks,
JJ
Thanks,
JJ
I think you should be able to do it by uploading another copy of your track, then changing the permalink of the current version (which is nearly at the limit) to something else, and then setting the permalink of the new upload to the value you used for the original.
That way the link you published here will now point to the newly uploaded copy. But best to check first with Mr Miltz that it's ok and within the rules of the contest.
If it all works and is acceptable then you should be able to delete the original version to save your soundcloud storage allocation - unless there are comments on the track that you want to keep, of course.
Alternatively, become a member of soundcloud and get more storage and downloads!
JJBiener - Wed May 23, 2012 1:37 pm
Thanks for the tips. I am going to have to think through how I want to handle this.
bzur - Thu May 24, 2012 10:11 am
Here are some considerations about my submission, as it could seem that's not strictly a monodic track.
The track is organized in 4 articulations:
- Intro [0:00 - 0.57]
More than a drone, I consider it a moving texture fixed around a steady note (an E4) then enforced by an E3 and so on, down to E1, with different instruments (a texture from ACE, a synth from Zebra, a pipe organ).
There are some overlappings during the change in C4 at 0.38, due to the reverb / delay (yes, I used both extensively!) and to my imperfection on performing; the entire track is unquantized.
- I part [0:57 - 1:45]
Two different sounds layered: en Electric piano / bell, characterized by a short sustain and a delay, and a pad with relatively strong harmonics. They are played on unison, but the difference between the two sounds in term of envelope, the delays and the harmonics - every sound HAS harmonics - could lead to think: hey, that's not monody! In particular, around 1:15 there's the "illusion" of a chord... Again, I've decided to go near the limit between monody / polifony.
- II part [1:45 - 2:38]
Made with an awesome (IMHO) bagpipe-ish preset from fr4ancesco muz3um+ (z3ta+2), it's layered with a choir, and doubled with itself, an octave down. At 2.06 there's also a tuned drum (timpani), which plays the same notes as the bagpipe, some octaves down. Again the pipe organ makes its appereance.
- Outro [2.38 - 2:59]
It reprises the intro, more or less.
I perfectly agree with Doc Jon when he says that monophony is in the ear of the beholder. Ah, and looking at the MIDI notes, my track is perfectly monophonic, as well. Let's see...
folderol - Thu May 24, 2012 10:28 am
And more...
LagunaRising 1TakeOnly
Well that was different again! Lots of interleaved sounds, must have been quite hard to sequence. I'm not entirely sure I'd class it as music, but it's certainly worth a listen.
forw Monomoon
Love the music box. Thinking about it, these are often monophonic too. Very nice work.
softegg little creature
Fun little tune, but very short.
kryptonaut DomineAbomine
A sort of intricate semi-synthesised Gregorian chant. Lots of octave work in there. Nice organ sound. Coda caught me by surprise
nahkaorava Chuseok
Firstly, welcome to the cafe
Very oriental sound, and it occurs to me that this, too, is often at least trending towards monophonic. Like the call-response nature of the main body of the track.
DHMilt TheOldPlace
Lovely clean lazy guitar. A real chill-out. As they say, less is more.
bzur Monolith
What? Is it 2001 already? Very nice but I think you are really pushing the note tails to the limit (your additional comments noted).
GMoneh PansLament
Another very nice pan-flute based track. Very distinct sharp-edged notes, blend in nicely with the slower attack synth.
Laguna Rising - Thu May 24, 2012 10:40 am
folderol wrote:
LagunaRising 1TakeOnly
Well that was different again! Lots of interleaved sounds, must have been quite hard to sequence. I'm not entirely sure I'd class it as music, but it's certainly worth a listen.
Well that was different again! Lots of interleaved sounds, must have been quite hard to sequence. I'm not entirely sure I'd class it as music, but it's certainly worth a listen.
I'm glad you find it original. Music or not.
Thanks for your reviews
Cheers
tuz - Thu May 24, 2012 12:22 pm
awesome contest this month. i want to join too. i don't know if i'll make it till tomorrow though.
forw - Thu May 24, 2012 3:23 pm
Some things that came to my mind when listening.
EmeraldTablet
Good choice of sound. Good composition. Very well done!
JJBiener
Serious mood. Pretty complicated melodies, a little hard to follow.
InboxZero
This needs better orch samples in my opinion! Cause this composition deserves to sound really good! Reminded me of Arvo Paerth and I love his music.
Evo2slo
Nice playing, good guit sound. Some cool riffs.
Nikp2000
Love that one.
Offthewall
Great guit sound! A little strange to me, that the 2 instruments
have 2 pretty different reverbs so they won't sound as if they are the same room.
Patrick9
A composition with a looooot of space (which is cool). Needs careful listeners.
Only works for me if I'm really contretated listening.
MyEarBleedsWine
Nice beginning. Loses me as a listener after a while somehow.
Folderol
Dreamy. Some really nice melody turns. I'm afraid the flutesound is not my cup of tea. Funny last notes
DocJon
Touching. Fine composition!!
beanpole
I like the 2nd synth sound. Reminds me of some old video game.
rockstarnot
Don't know. Too predictable?
forw - Thu May 24, 2012 3:38 pm
LagunaRising
Some melody fragments, but too random for me to be honest. Like the guitar bending-end.
softegg
I wonder if some quantization would be good. It's short but works in a way!
kryptonaut
I like the main melody. A little more variation in terms of registers/instruments would be good, I think.
nahkaorava
Good dynamic playing. Clever composition. But a little strange mix (almost no reverb on strings).
DHMilt
Reminds me of Wim Wender "Don't come knockin". Clear message, great sound. Love it.
bzur
Nice dirty sound design. Monophonic? Hm...don't know...
GMoneh
Folkish piece. This is an EWI? Would not have recognized it.
mellotronaut
Funny lyrics! forw - Thu May 24, 2012 3:40 pm
folderol wrote:
forw Monomoon
Love the music box. Thinking about it, these are often monophonic too. Very nice work.
thanks alot for your kind words, folderol!
rockstar_not - Thu May 24, 2012 8:31 pm
forw wrote:
rockstarnot
Don't know. Too predictable?
It's quite possible I subconsciously nicked the melody from somewhere, but I wouldn't know where. Thanks for taking the time to listen and comment.
-Scott
tuz - Thu May 24, 2012 8:40 pm
i made it. i made it. oh yeah oh yeah. i made it i made it. ooooooooo yeeeeaaaah!!!!
tuz - Thu May 24, 2012 8:50 pm
forw. i love the entry.
which music box plugin is this? Vulcandj - Thu May 24, 2012 10:25 pm
If I have enough posts in, I'll only be voting this month. It's been a busy May, and I tried last night to lay something down, but in the end, it just didn't feel right. It should work nicely for a complete instrumental,though. But the monophony didn't work like I thought it would. Maybe next month.
forw - Thu May 24, 2012 11:57 pm
tuz wrote:
forw. i love the entry. which music box plugin is this?
which music box plugin is this?thanks alot!!
Check wavesfactory... It's even free! Laguna Rising - Fri May 25, 2012 12:40 am
forw wrote:
LagunaRising
Some melody fragments, but too random for me to be honest. Like the guitar bending-end.
Some melody fragments, but too random for me to be honest. Like the guitar bending-end.
Thanks !
This was an odd month to me, I must get ready to listen to all the entries and get in the mood for voting.
Any speculation on the next theme ? uhm... maybe not... not yet
Cheers
mellotronaut - Fri May 25, 2012 2:09 am
forw wrote:
LagunaRising
mellotronaut
Funny lyrics!
mellotronaut
Funny lyrics!molto grazie! ja wers orischinal jeniessen kann
D.H. Miltz - Fri May 25, 2012 2:12 am
Submissions thread is locked, voting thread is up.
Next month is a free-for-all without disguise, usual three minute limit. My apologies to those who don't like free-for-alls; I've been very distracted and no real theme came together. [Edit: In response to instantaneous griping, I've changed this. See here: http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=4933780#4933780 / next page]
And:
Thanks, folderol and forw.
Also:
Vulcandj, you have more than double the posts needed to vote, so feel free (even encouraged) to do so.
D.H. Miltz - Fri May 25, 2012 2:18 am
FriendlyStranger, check your messages.
mellotronaut - Fri May 25, 2012 2:23 am
D.H. Miltz wrote:
Next month is a free-for-all without disguise, usual three minute limit. My apologies to those who don't like free-for-alls; I've been very distracted and no real theme came together.
my take would be: 'use a genre, you usually dislike and transform it into something else'
'free for all' is boring
forw - Fri May 25, 2012 2:40 am
totally agree with mellotronaut.
What about: write a tune with only chords, no single melody tones.
or: only vocals allowed
or: only drums allowed
or: write s.th. in 9/8
or: use a drone
or: write the filmmusic to an imaginary film called "the girl and the robot"
or: only 160 bpm allowed!
mellotronaut - Fri May 25, 2012 2:56 am
forw wrote:
totally agree with mellotronaut.
i'k wa' ain b'aleena
forw wrote:
What about: write a tune with only chords, no single melody tones.
no
forw wrote:
or: only vocals allowed
yes
forw wrote:
or: only drums allowed
interesting
forw wrote:
or: write s.th. in 9/8
yes
forw wrote:
or: use a drone
i'm a drone: no
forw wrote:
or: write the filmmusic to an imaginary film called "the girl and the robot"
very sexy
forw wrote:
or: only 160 bpm allowed!
people from Berlin are too fast (usually) ... ah: yes
forw - Fri May 25, 2012 3:07 am
mellotronaut wrote:
forw wrote:
totally agree with mellotronaut.
i'k wa' ain b'aleena
forw wrote:
or: only 160 bpm allowed![/b]
people from Berlin are too fast (usually) ... ah: yes
escht? bistu ausgewandert?
mellotronaut - Fri May 25, 2012 3:19 am
ausgewundert, yes
D.H. Miltz - Fri May 25, 2012 4:18 am
Fine [muttered impolite phrases deleted]. THIS will be the theme. I'll give the free-for-all a slight shape-giving disguise:
Interpret or take as inspiration for your entry this photo: http://www.flickr.com/photos/fastcrawl/4594549927/
That's as much of a theme as the girl and the robot film, I think, and it'll have to do because I'm not changing it again.
(I know Scoops did a photo one. I'm doing one too.)
bzur - Fri May 25, 2012 4:35 am
D.H. Miltz wrote:
Fine [muttered impolite phrases deleted]. THIS will be the theme. I'll give the free-for-all a slight shape-giving disguise:
Interpret or take as inspiration for your entry this photo: http://www.flickr.com/photos/fastcrawl/4594549927/
That's as much of a theme as the girl and the robot film, I think, and it'll have to do because I'm not changing it again.
(I know Scoops did a photo one. I'm doing one too.)
Interpret or take as inspiration for your entry this photo: http://www.flickr.com/photos/fastcrawl/4594549927/
That's as much of a theme as the girl and the robot film, I think, and it'll have to do because I'm not changing it again.
(I know Scoops did a photo one. I'm doing one too.)
Good. Very inspiring
tuz - Fri May 25, 2012 4:54 am
bzur wrote:
D.H. Miltz wrote:
Fine [muttered impolite phrases deleted]. THIS will be the theme. I'll give the free-for-all a slight shape-giving disguise:
Interpret or take as inspiration for your entry this photo: http://www.flickr.com/photos/fastcrawl/4594549927/
That's as much of a theme as the girl and the robot film, I think, and it'll have to do because I'm not changing it again.
(I know Scoops did a photo one. I'm doing one too.)
Interpret or take as inspiration for your entry this photo: http://www.flickr.com/photos/fastcrawl/4594549927/
That's as much of a theme as the girl and the robot film, I think, and it'll have to do because I'm not changing it again.
(I know Scoops did a photo one. I'm doing one too.)
Good. Very inspiring
indeed. i love the pic. already thinking about it.
forw - Fri May 25, 2012 5:01 am
I like it.
tuz - Fri May 25, 2012 5:03 am
forw wrote:
tuz wrote:
forw. i love the entry. which music box plugin is this?
which music box plugin is this?thanks alot!!
Check wavesfactory... It's even free!thanks
i'll check it out definitely. and thank you for the hm too. made me happy. Laguna Rising - Fri May 25, 2012 5:05 am
D.H. Miltz wrote:
Interpret or take as inspiration for your entry this photo: http://www.flickr.com/photos/fastcrawl/4594549927/
Ok, I can do that
Cheers
evo2slo - Fri May 25, 2012 5:32 am
Thanks for your comments folderol and forw.
Very mysterious photo. Could mean so many things...
Should be an interesting challenge.
D.H., do we have permission to use the photo (altered) for a cover pic?