KVR :: Effects » Eventide BLACKHOLE Plug-in Officially Released [View Original Topic]
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Motion - Wed May 09, 2012 11:32 am
Congratulations to Eventide on the official release.
http://www.eventide.com/AudioDivision/Products/PlugIns/Blackhole.aspx
TheoM - Wed May 09, 2012 12:09 pm
i wonder why anyone would buy this over shimmer or toraverb?
audiosabre - Wed May 09, 2012 3:35 pm
I think the RRP is very telling: $199.
Some things never change, given the opportunity.
antithesist - Wed May 09, 2012 9:17 pm
ttoz wrote:
i wonder why anyone would buy this over shimmer or toraverb?
The name, features, subtle and maybe not so subtle differences. I ran them head to head for a few hours, basically until I couldn't stand it anymore and/or to the point that I didn't want any of them. But when I came back, all three demonstrated something unique for me.
The Reaktor Spacemaster variants that David Torn likes so much seemed in a similar ballpark too, though I didn't spend nearly as much time there. Also, the the freeze and kill buttons on the BH are nice. But yeah, one or even none of those three is probably enough for the average bear, although for the ambient long reverb aficionado? I'll let you answer that one for yourselves.
As usual, it will be more about money, discounts, timing, desire and guilt for me if and when I do or don't get it. So, it's not a have to buy or a definitely won't buy. They're also throwing them in with the stompboxes for a limited time (heh, time, get it?). But whenever I start looking at those, I see an Eclipse not too far beyond or actually for less than all four, plus I already have a 3000. That's why.
MFXxx - Thu May 10, 2012 9:55 am
audiosabre wrote:
I think the RRP is very telling: $199.
Some things never change, given the opportunity.
Some things never change, given the opportunity.
Trying to decide on this. The intro of $99 is appealing but still with the abundance of reverbs I am struggling to justify a niece in the rack.
The overall effect, the effects bar, freeze and kill buttons does make this an interesting effects/live instrument. Wish it was a tad cheaper. Must admit shimmer is starting draw me in as I am liking VahallaRoom and both natively available in 64bit where as I am finding Blackhole Bridged in Cubase with jBridge is causing some nasty glitches on my system.
I can not however seeing many selling $199.99 looking forward to the H3000 algos saying that
jensa - Thu May 10, 2012 4:02 pm
They also sell BH bundled with an iLok for $111 for a limited time. A quite inexpensive way to get into the world of iLok plugins.
http://www.eventidestore.com/blreplfrspwi.html
VibraSound - Fri May 11, 2012 10:09 am
The best reverb in the world
VariVerb Pro
http://pro.magix.com/en/audio-plugins/variverb-pro.594.html
bduffy - Fri May 11, 2012 10:15 am
I really liked the reverb on this, but not much else. Couldn't see myself using it much for $199. I'll wait for the H3000, the most insanely overdue native plugin ever.
hibidy - Fri May 11, 2012 4:25 pm
Quote:
ilok 2 required
That's enough of that nonsense.
AndrewSimon - Fri May 11, 2012 5:50 pm
VibraSound wrote:
The best reverb in the world
VariVerb Pro
http://pro.magix.com/en/audio-plugins/variverb-pro.594.html
VariVerb Pro
http://pro.magix.com/en/audio-plugins/variverb-pro.594.html
Do they have a Demo?.... I can't see it on their site.
hibidy - Fri May 11, 2012 6:13 pm
http://pro.magix.com/en/audio-plugins/variverb-pro.594.html
heffus - Fri May 11, 2012 9:07 pm
I remember there used to be a demo for Variverb, but I don't see it on the site either.
hibidy - Fri May 11, 2012 9:13 pm
Oh, no demo anymore? Try searching all over, I remember magix having some strange website stuff. I had it though years ago and sold it when I went x64 so it's been a while.
TheoM - Sat May 12, 2012 5:44 pm
hibidy wrote:
Quote:
ilok 2 required
That's enough of that nonsense.
why?
ilok 2 is going to take ages to crack, is not nonsense, it's like syncrosoft, it can always be updated to counter act new cracks, and at this stage is still completely uncracked on both platforms going well over a year.
they have the right to protect their work and at least get a head start.
So for now at least, anyone who wants the BH or other eventide plugins, has to buy them. sounds great to me.
hibidy - Sat May 12, 2012 7:36 pm
Nope, not doing anymore ilok. I have an ilok one, if that is not good enough then poo.
I pay for my software, if others don't then I'm not paying extra.
Kaboom75 - Mon May 14, 2012 12:51 am
I don't mind ilok So added the blackhole demo licence to my ilok but there is no download demo on the website.
jensa - Mon May 14, 2012 2:15 am
Kaboom75 wrote:
I don't mind ilok So added the blackhole demo licence to my ilok but there is no download demo on the website.
The demo installer is the same as the release installer. You can find it here:
http://www.eventide.com/AudioDivision/Support/Plug-ins/Native%20Plug-in%20Support.aspx
Sampleconstruct - Thu May 24, 2012 12:51 am
Comparing Blackhole with Shimmer, I just needed to know if I want the hole...similar settings, I programmed Blackhole first and then tried to imitate that sound with Shimmer, demo starts with BH, then the same piano impro goes through Shimmer::
http://soundcloud.com/sampleconstruct/comparison-experiment-eventide
Sampleconstruct - Thu May 24, 2012 8:59 am
Testing Blackhole with one of my Tremor Kits, 4 instances of BH with different settings on the 4 discrete outs of the Tremor Kit
http://soundcloud.com/sampleconstruct/blackhole-tremor-test
Warp69 - Thu May 24, 2012 9:26 am
Sampleconstruct wrote:
Comparing Blackhole with Shimmer, I just needed to know if I want the hole...similar settings, I programmed Blackhole first and then tried to imitate that sound with Shimmer, demo starts with BH, then the same piano impro goes through Shimmer::
http://soundcloud.com/sampleconstruct/comparison-experiment-eventide
http://soundcloud.com/sampleconstruct/comparison-experiment-eventide
I actually prefer the Black Hole - the high frequency decay is longer on Black Hole compared to Shimmer, but Shimmer have longer low frequency decay - I believe you can get Shimmer way closer if you want.
Aloysius - Thu May 24, 2012 9:30 am
What an awful name for a plugin.
bbaggins - Fri May 25, 2012 9:49 am
Thanks for those comparisons. I did like BH a little better, but not $150 better.
Sampleconstruct - Fri May 25, 2012 9:59 am
bbaggins wrote:
Thanks for those comparisons. I did like BH a little better, but not $150 better.
It's only 49 bucks difference atm, isn't it? They still have the intro-offer going on. But Sean's prices are unbeatable anyway, he should at least double them imo (duck and cover...)
valhallasound - Fri May 25, 2012 10:29 am
Sampleconstruct wrote:
bbaggins wrote:
Thanks for those comparisons. I did like BH a little better, but not $150 better.
It's only 49 bucks difference atm, isn't it? They still have the intro-offer going on. But Sean's prices are unbeatable anyway, he should at least double them imo (duck and cover...)
This week only, type in the special discount code and get ValhallaShimmer for $99 (regularly $50). That's a savings of -49 dollars!
The discount code is:
simonstockhausen
I gotta admit, I was able to get ValhallaShimmer and the Blackhole plugin to sound pretty much identical in my testing. Which is weird, as I had never heard any Eventides in person when I coded Shimmer. Back then, the minimum entry price was $2K for an Eclipse. I based my Black Hole preset on some sound examples I heard on GearSlutz. The examples were from the H8000, which was probably running at 96 KHz, which is why I used the Bright color mode for the preset. The Blackhole plugin clearly uses linear interpolation, which is the same as the Dark color mode in Shimmer.
Sean Costello
Sampleconstruct - Fri May 25, 2012 10:42 am
valhallasound wrote:
Sampleconstruct wrote:
bbaggins wrote:
Thanks for those comparisons. I did like BH a little better, but not $150 better.
It's only 49 bucks difference atm, isn't it? They still have the intro-offer going on. But Sean's prices are unbeatable anyway, he should at least double them imo (duck and cover...)
This week only, type in the special discount code and get ValhallaShimmer for $99 (regularly $50). That's a savings of -49 dollars!
The discount code is:
simonstockhausen
I shouldn't eat while reading this, just spat a mouthful of indian-cuisine-cauliflower on the Laptop-screen laughing out very loud
- cool, give me my premium licence asap then! zerocrossing - Fri May 25, 2012 10:54 am
valhallasound wrote:
Sampleconstruct wrote:
bbaggins wrote:
Thanks for those comparisons. I did like BH a little better, but not $150 better.
It's only 49 bucks difference atm, isn't it? They still have the intro-offer going on. But Sean's prices are unbeatable anyway, he should at least double them imo (duck and cover...)
This week only, type in the special discount code and get ValhallaShimmer for $99 (regularly $50). That's a savings of -49 dollars!
The discount code is:
simonstockhausen
I gotta admit, I was able to get ValhallaShimmer and the Blackhole plugin to sound pretty much identical in my testing. Which is weird, as I had never heard any Eventides in person when I coded Shimmer. Back then, the minimum entry price was $2K for an Eclipse. I based my Black Hole preset on some sound examples I heard on GearSlutz. The examples were from the H8000, which was probably running at 96 KHz, which is why I used the Bright color mode for the preset. The Blackhole plugin clearly uses linear interpolation, which is the same as the Dark color mode in Shimmer.
Sean Costello
It took a few seconds for that to sink in.
I have to admit the demos sound pretty close and I'd be hard pressed to say one was a lot better or even any better than the other. Maybe I thought the Blackhole plug sounded a tiny bit smoother? Again this could be the high frequency decay that's making me think that, but in the end I think Eventide will have a hard time going from their introductory $99 price to the full $199 price.
4damind - Sun May 27, 2012 7:30 am
"Smoother".. Yes, also may findings. But eventually more a settings thing.
I don't think it sounds better or very different than Valhalla Shimmer.
cyphersuit - Thu Mar 28, 2013 11:32 am
is blackhole 64 bit yet? can one automate the flashy slider in the middle?
Kaboom75 - Thu Mar 28, 2013 11:45 am
Eventide said march 2012 they are working on a 64bit version. Around two months ago they said all plugisn will be 64bit by this march but still no sign. Keep an eye on this webpage. http://eventide.com/AudioDivision/Support/Plug-ins/Native%20Plug-in%20Support.aspx
djshire - Thu Mar 28, 2013 2:07 pm
So when are they going to go dongle-less?
schnapsglas - Thu Mar 28, 2013 2:08 pm
Tried it, and I felt... ehhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh. It is not TOO great. H3000 on the other hand...
Kaboom75 - Fri Mar 29, 2013 6:00 am
djshire wrote:
So when are they going to go dongle-less?
When eventide's boss demands less profit.
I thought the H3000 plugin did not include reverb algorithms ?
djshire - Fri Mar 29, 2013 7:32 am
Kaboom75 wrote:
djshire wrote:
So when are they going to go dongle-less?
When eventide's boss demands less profit.
Explain
cyphersuit - Thu Apr 18, 2013 12:37 am
schnapsglas wrote:
Tried it, and I felt... ehhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh. It is not TOO great. H3000 on the other hand...
Explain.. ..please.
cyphersuit - Sun May 19, 2013 2:20 pm
This is now supposedly 64 bit
cyphersuit - Sun May 19, 2013 3:02 pm
Bought at JRR for the best price ^^
Kaboom75 - Sun May 19, 2013 3:12 pm
Blackhole is now 64bit. eventide is beginning to keep up with one man programmers.
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