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hcv242 - Thu May 10, 2012 9:35 am
my take on the diva house thing.

http://soundcloud.com/migueltorga/pocket-diva

enjoy!
hcv242 - Fri May 11, 2012 5:40 am
hmmm...not a single reply. i've had great feedback from labels and dancing crowds though... i guess kvr doesnt care about house \ techno Shrug
bigjerome - Fri May 11, 2012 6:12 am
But you didn't ask for a reply or an opinion Confused
skipscada - Fri May 11, 2012 6:49 am
Some nice sounds and good ideas (like the syncopation) make up for the tired genre clichés that form the basis of the track. Slick mix, but it could benefit from some attention-grabbing elements. As it is, I start to lose interest about halfway through. The Diva sounds excentric, and that's good. She could benefit from being ... er ... wilder, though. She sounds too restrained. And the human touch of a voice is kind of lost when the same phrases are repeated so often and the scream is exactly the same every time.

Overall far too static and repetitive to function outside the dancefloor, but it can probably be effective in a club (though not for the full 5-6 minutes), and being somewhat bland, it's perfect for background music in oh-so-trendy chill-out bars. And I suspect that's what you aimed for, so well done!
hcv242 - Fri May 11, 2012 8:24 am
skipscada wrote:
Some nice sounds and good ideas (like the syncopation) make up for the tired genre clichés that form the basis of the track. Slick mix, but it could benefit from some attention-grabbing elements. As it is, I start to lose interest about halfway through. The Diva sounds excentric, and that's good. She could benefit from being ... er ... wilder, though. She sounds too restrained. And the human touch of a voice is kind of lost when the same phrases are repeated so often and the scream is exactly the same every time.

Overall far too static and repetitive to function outside the dancefloor, but it can probably be effective in a club (though not for the full 5-6 minutes), and being somewhat bland, it's perfect for background music in oh-so-trendy chill-out bars. And I suspect that's what you aimed for, so well done!


thanks for the comments... i really disagree on the chill out bars part Smile i've played this in a club at 9 am (we like to go to the clubs early here in portugal HiHi ) and the crowd went totally crazy... like insane. ... im going to release it as it is...thanks for the comments, though.
TristezaOrange - Fri May 11, 2012 11:59 am
Very nice! Not bad at all for summer clubs and also (I have to agree with skipscada) chill out bars. Only thing I'd change is I'd throw some airy pad somewhere in there. And perhaps some delays. It sounds a bit too dry as it is.

But other than that, excellent production. Smile
skipscada - Fri May 11, 2012 2:33 pm
hcv242 wrote:
skipscada wrote:
... it can probably be effective in a club (though not for the full 5-6 minutes)


I really disagree on the chill out bars part :) i've played this in a club at 9 am (we like to go to the clubs early here in portugal :hihi: ) and the crowd went totally crazy... like insane.


Well, if you can make lots of Portugese dance, wave their arms and go "EEEEEEEEEEE!", you must be doing something right. As you see from my quote, I never doubted that, but in my opinion it loses steam in the middle part, so it could benefit from editing out as much as 24 bars between the good intro and the more engaging, quirky bit about 3/4 through with the extended scream etc. At least for a radio edit. As it is, it's well done, but after a while it just seems to go on and on, and if I were a DJ, I'd move on to another track well before the outro. Although not if I had a floor full of insane Portugese dancing in front of me, of course.

BTW, I listened through it again through an iPod speaker. The severe loss of bottom end brought out much more of a techno feel and got rid of some of that chill-out bar atmosphere. I liked the first part of it a lot more that way, actually.
ouroboros - Fri May 11, 2012 3:02 pm
Nice; overall, I'd agree with T.O - a bit dry sound to me, esp on vocals, but very well done.

Part of the lack of response - temporary "Diva" thread overload. Laughing
hcv242 - Mon May 14, 2012 6:54 am
you are all prolly right, about the dryness. i usually use very little reverb \ delay on the vocals. the thing is... i dont want to have the typical house vocal (lots of delay + reverb). currently it has just bit of reverb. ... maybe ill have to add a bit more. thank you for the comments Smile
ghettosynth - Mon May 14, 2012 9:01 am
hcv242 wrote:
you are all prolly right, about the dryness. i usually use very little reverb \ delay on the vocals. the thing is... i dont want to have the typical house vocal (lots of delay + reverb). currently it has just bit of reverb. ... maybe ill have to add a bit more. thank you for the comments Smile


So with respect to "radio edit", as someone who really embraces the genre, I have to ask, who gives a shit about a radio edit? I agree with the dryness, and even perhaps that there could be some more elements of interest in the earlier part, but by that, I mean subtle elements, interesting little surprises, some subtle filtering on the beat, or slight shifting of the groove, nothing, however, that would make it radio friendly.

This, to me, is clearly music for people who dance. If you've danced for hours to house then you will understand how one's sense and appreciation of repetition in time changes when one is dancing.

So, as an actual consumer of music like this, I tend to buy records/downloads that have fewer obnoxious builds rather than more. I find it much more difficult to find records that exhibit the kind of subtle movement that is appealing to people who have been dancing for hours than it is to find the obnoxious crap that is intended to be played for too high/drunk people with short attention spans.

In short, I like it, a lot.
hcv242 - Mon May 14, 2012 1:08 pm
ghettosynth wrote:


This, to me, is clearly music for people who dance. If you've danced for hours to house then you will understand how one's sense and appreciation of repetition in time changes when one is dancing.




that. Very Happy

skipscada wrote:

BTW, I listened through it again through an iPod speaker. The severe loss of bottom end brought out much more of a techno feel and got rid of some of that chill-out bar atmosphere. I liked the first part of it a lot more that way, actually.


you should listen to this in some big funktion-one system...it sounds a lot more techno!!! HiHi
skipscada - Wed May 16, 2012 8:25 am
ghettosynth wrote:
hcv242 wrote:
you are all prolly right, about the dryness. i usually use very little reverb \ delay on the vocals. the thing is... i dont want to have the typical house vocal (lots of delay + reverb). currently it has just bit of reverb. ... maybe ill have to add a bit more. thank you for the comments :)


So with respect to "radio edit", as someone who really embraces the genre, I have to ask, who gives a shit about a radio edit?


Well, we were asked to listen to it here, which in most people's case would be sitting in front of the computer, not on a dancefloor. In that context, the track is twice as long as it needs to be. I did say that I reckoned it would be effective on a dancefloor and a bar, so there you go. But having taken the time to listen to and comment on this track, I allowed myself to say what I actually felt. I realise now that I was supposed to simply say "Killer track!" and be done with it. Please accept my apologies, I will try to do better next time, alternatively not bother to listen to tracks or comment.
wachimol - Wed May 16, 2012 12:27 pm
I skipped around, and to me the vocal samples sounded weak. You could bring them out more, as said before things sound alittle dry. Structurewise it was too predictable for my liking. You certainly know the genre tho.

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