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AstralExistence - Sat May 12, 2012 6:23 pm
i currently use reaper which i like, but i also own fl studio and its going on version 11. reaper is great in the customization department. but fl studio gets on my nerves because you cant get any real organization to your songs. you have automation clips all over the place, your tracks are always out of order because of the pattern based workflow, it does seem that fl studio is going towards multitrack (thats what my friend thinks) am curious what others think?
bailees7irish - Sat May 12, 2012 6:43 pm
AstralExistence wrote:
i currently use reaper which i like, but i also own fl studio and its going on version 11. reaper is great in the customization department. but fl studio gets on my nerves because you cant get any real organization to your songs. you have automation clips all over the place, your tracks are always out of order because of the pattern based workflow, it does seem that fl studio is going towards multitrack (thats what my friend thinks) am curious what others think 
agreed. this is the sole reason i can't use FL Studio as my main, one-and-only DAW. it's frustrating
AstralExistence - Sat May 12, 2012 6:52 pm
yeah because even though reaper is affordable, and clean to use. fl studio has it beat in most places. fl studio is a joy to use while reaper, is sorta, well, awkward to use. though im thankful that it is so incredibly affordable. the day fl studio goes the way of multitrack, is the day ill never even think about other daws and the day that it might be taken more seriously.
loop based daws in general are pretty much a dying breed. what is not is clip based workflow like ableton live. even though ejay and then fl studio is my background, i got used to reason which i used for 4 years and now just cant work in a loop based workflow anymore. while clip based is the king of concept. multitrack is the king of the final product.
bailees7irish - Sat May 12, 2012 7:48 pm
AstralExistence wrote:
the day fl studio goes the way of multitrack, is the day ill never even think about other daws and the day that it might be taken more seriously.
agree 100% james0tucson - Sun May 13, 2012 1:13 pm
[quote="AstralExistence"]i currently use reaper which i like, but i also own fl studio and its going on version 11. reaper is great in the customization department. but fl studio gets on my nerves because you cant get any real organization to your songs. you have automation clips all over the place, your tracks are always out of order because of the pattern based workflow, it does seem that fl studio is going towards multitrack (thats what my friend thinks) am curious what others think?[/quote]
I struggle to understand comments like this.
The way I use it, FLStudio has two distinct roles. The first is as a multitrack recorder. My base project is setup to do several channels of audio recording all driven from the mixer view, and I use it to record mic'd instruments. The notion of "pattern based workflow" does not even occur to me.
The second role is as musical instrument, where I use it as a VSTi sub-host so that I have a simple way of selecting instruments from my controller while playing live. Here, the "step sequencer" is really just a placeholder for mapping an instrument to each channel I want to make available. The only complaint I have is that in order to use it that way, I have to use rewire and load FLS under another host. It's still the only really good solution to that basic problem that I've found with the resources I have available.
sjm - Sun May 13, 2012 1:36 pm
Just use FL like any other multitrack and turn off the pattern playlist which will be phased out anyway.
The new playlist is nigh on identical to tracks in Reaper except that you can have more than one instrument per track if you so desire (or split up an instrument over several tracks, but I fail to see why you'd do that).
There are issues with changing the order of patterns to be sure, but that is a different kettle of fish. I've always used FL as a multitrack and with FL 10 it's actually been designed so as to make this much MUCH easier.
Teksonik - Mon May 14, 2012 4:03 am
AstralExistence wrote:
fl studio gets on my nerves because you cant get any real organization to your songs.
AstralExistence wrote:
fl studio is a joy to use
AstralExistence - Mon May 14, 2012 11:01 am
Teksonik wrote:
AstralExistence wrote:
fl studio gets on my nerves because you cant get any real organization to your songs.
AstralExistence wrote:
fl studio is a joy to use
others agree
AstralExistence - Mon May 14, 2012 4:29 pm
seriously, why do i need a channel for every automation clip i make, why cant i keep the automation in just the track, why do i need to create a pattern for every clip i make, lastly, why cant i just use clips as a clip instead of a pattern. this program has so much to offer but is just tacking on new crap with every update without changing the core functions to a more modern way of working.
reaper is no better though.
i really need to invest in a decent multitrack daw. but there not cheap.
i think im ranting, sorry
bmanic - Mon May 14, 2012 5:26 pm
FL Studio just has way too many extremely simple audio editing things missing. First of all, you can't zoom down to the sample level on audio clips. This is absolutely vital for precise editing without clicks. Actually, you can't even zoom in very far at all. You can barely make accurate cuts with the current maximum zoom-in level.
Second, even if you COULD zoom all the way in, there is no friggin cross fade so you are screwed anyways. In fact, there aren't even basic fade in and fade out handles for the audio clips.
Finally, the mixer is just way too frustrating to be mixing anything else than rather small pieces of music, at least in my opinion.
I just use it for composing stuff. That's what it's brilliant for. Then I bounce each track separately and do the final editing, mixing and mastering in Reaper.
FL Studio would have to change quite a lot in order to be taken seriously as a mixing environment. It was clearly never meant to be good at that. I'm quite happy with the FL Studio + Reaper combo so it doesn't bother me much.
Cheers!
bManic
bailees7irish - Mon May 14, 2012 5:37 pm
bmanic wrote:
FL Studio just has way too many extremely simple audio editing things missing. First of all, you can't zoom down to the sample level on audio clips. This is absolutely vital for precise editing without clicks. Actually, you can't even zoom in very far at all. You can barely make accurate cuts with the current maximum zoom-in level.
Second, even if you COULD zoom all the way in, there is no friggin cross fade so you are screwed anyways. In fact, there aren't even basic fade in and fade out handles for the audio clips.
Finally, the mixer is just way too frustrating to be mixing anything else than rather small pieces of music, at least in my opinion.
I just use it for composing stuff. That's what it's brilliant for. Then I bounce each track separately and do the final editing, mixing and mastering in Reaper.
FL Studio would have to change quite a lot in order to be taken seriously as a mixing environment. It was clearly never meant to be good at that. I'm quite happy with the FL Studio + Reaper combo so it doesn't bother me much.
Cheers!
bManic
Second, even if you COULD zoom all the way in, there is no friggin cross fade so you are screwed anyways. In fact, there aren't even basic fade in and fade out handles for the audio clips.
Finally, the mixer is just way too frustrating to be mixing anything else than rather small pieces of music, at least in my opinion.
I just use it for composing stuff. That's what it's brilliant for. Then I bounce each track separately and do the final editing, mixing and mastering in Reaper.
FL Studio would have to change quite a lot in order to be taken seriously as a mixing environment. It was clearly never meant to be good at that. I'm quite happy with the FL Studio + Reaper combo so it doesn't bother me much.
Cheers!
bManic
what you said here is nearly identical to the way i feel about it. however, personally, i'd like to cut out that exporting separate wavs into another DAW completely. to me, having to do the exporting of wavs into another DAW is time-consuming and really kills work flow for me. this is what makes FL the "so close but not quite there" DAW for me. it's disheartening that with some tweaks and advances, it COULD be the one-and-only-DAW for me; but the developer is so dead-set on not listening to customers' wishes and requests, i am quite sure that at this point (after over 10 years of using the program) i will never see those simple tweaks to make it the most streamlined and usable DAW for electronic music ever...
alvfaria - Mon May 14, 2012 6:19 pm
My only complain about FL is its high CPU use. I feel very comfortable with its workflow and it's a really fantastic composition tool.
TheoM - Mon May 14, 2012 6:54 pm
bmanic wrote:
FL Studio just has way too many extremely simple audio editing things missing. First of all, you can't zoom down to the sample level on audio clips. This is absolutely vital for precise editing without clicks. Actually, you can't even zoom in very far at all. You can barely make accurate cuts with the current maximum zoom-in level.
Second, even if you COULD zoom all the way in, there is no friggin cross fade so you are screwed anyways. In fact, there aren't even basic fade in and fade out handles for the audio clips.
Finally, the mixer is just way too frustrating to be mixing anything else than rather small pieces of music, at least in my opinion.
I just use it for composing stuff. That's what it's brilliant for. Then I bounce each track separately and do the final editing, mixing and mastering in Reaper.
FL Studio would have to change quite a lot in order to be taken seriously as a mixing environment. It was clearly never meant to be good at that. I'm quite happy with the FL Studio + Reaper combo so it doesn't bother me much.
Cheers!
bManic
Second, even if you COULD zoom all the way in, there is no friggin cross fade so you are screwed anyways. In fact, there aren't even basic fade in and fade out handles for the audio clips.
Finally, the mixer is just way too frustrating to be mixing anything else than rather small pieces of music, at least in my opinion.
I just use it for composing stuff. That's what it's brilliant for. Then I bounce each track separately and do the final editing, mixing and mastering in Reaper.
FL Studio would have to change quite a lot in order to be taken seriously as a mixing environment. It was clearly never meant to be good at that. I'm quite happy with the FL Studio + Reaper combo so it doesn't bother me much.
Cheers!
bManic
haven't touched the program in YEARS, but if what you just said is accurate (i.e if you haven't humanly missed some feature somewhere),
then,
this is exactly why at version 11, fruit is still nothing but a TOY.
bailees7irish - Mon May 14, 2012 7:14 pm
ttoz wrote:
bmanic wrote:
FL Studio just has way too many extremely simple audio editing things missing. First of all, you can't zoom down to the sample level on audio clips. This is absolutely vital for precise editing without clicks. Actually, you can't even zoom in very far at all. You can barely make accurate cuts with the current maximum zoom-in level.
Second, even if you COULD zoom all the way in, there is no friggin cross fade so you are screwed anyways. In fact, there aren't even basic fade in and fade out handles for the audio clips.
Finally, the mixer is just way too frustrating to be mixing anything else than rather small pieces of music, at least in my opinion.
I just use it for composing stuff. That's what it's brilliant for. Then I bounce each track separately and do the final editing, mixing and mastering in Reaper.
FL Studio would have to change quite a lot in order to be taken seriously as a mixing environment. It was clearly never meant to be good at that. I'm quite happy with the FL Studio + Reaper combo so it doesn't bother me much.
Cheers!
bManic
Second, even if you COULD zoom all the way in, there is no friggin cross fade so you are screwed anyways. In fact, there aren't even basic fade in and fade out handles for the audio clips.
Finally, the mixer is just way too frustrating to be mixing anything else than rather small pieces of music, at least in my opinion.
I just use it for composing stuff. That's what it's brilliant for. Then I bounce each track separately and do the final editing, mixing and mastering in Reaper.
FL Studio would have to change quite a lot in order to be taken seriously as a mixing environment. It was clearly never meant to be good at that. I'm quite happy with the FL Studio + Reaper combo so it doesn't bother me much.
Cheers!
bManic
haven't touched the program in YEARS, but if what you just said is accurate (i.e if you haven't humanly missed some feature somewhere),
then,
this is exactly why at version 11, fruit is still nothing but a TOY.
despite the negatives i listed in my above post, i still find that this DAW has the BEST pianoroll of any other DAW on the market. that feature alone leads me to conclude that FL is not simply a "TOY". i can load up FL and mock up quick track ideas in mere minutes that i just cannot do so quickly and efficiently in any other software. sure, these are by no means complete tracks, but (in my experience), starting a song is one of the most difficult aspects of the song-writing process. in this respect, FL Studio is ESSENTIAL for me. sure, it does have its downsides, as i mentioned above, but i would still be completely lost without it.
one man's toy is another man's ultimate creative outlet.
AstralExistence - Mon May 14, 2012 7:40 pm
ttoz wrote:
haven't touched the program in YEARS, but if what you just said is accurate (i.e if you haven't humanly missed some feature somewhere),
then,
this is exactly why at version 11, fruit is still nothing but a TOY.
well, the whole loop based way of working is extremely dated. and extremely annoying too. another thing that i just don't understand is, not only is the workflow dated but so is the interface. image line have been releasing some amazing looking plugins, but fl still has the same boring, mundane look. its a huge disappointment. like, if your a fl studio user your think, "this is THE update!" "THIS is where there going to give us the modern interface that matches all there plugs!" and like clockwork, more crap gets tacked on, more feature creep, the interface stays the same, and everybody's disappointed. i really wonder what imageline have in store for version 11, but tbh, seems more feature creep.
abstractcats - Mon May 14, 2012 7:41 pm
bailees7irish wrote:
despite the negatives i listed in my above post, i still find that this DAW has the BEST pianoroll of any other DAW on the market. that feature alone leads me to conclude that FL is not simply a "TOY". i can load up FL and mock up quick track ideas in mere minutes that i just cannot do so quickly and efficiently in any other software. sure, these are by no means complete tracks, but (in my experience), starting a song is one of the most difficult aspects of the song-writing process. in this respect, FL Studio is ESSENTIAL for me. sure, it does have its downsides, as i mentioned above, but i would still be completely lost without it.
one man's toy is another man's ultimate creative outlet.
Agreed, on piano roll and composing. The new live/ performance feature looks good. I'm looking at(in about two years or so) going live and I'd love to stay with FLS. But from what I've seen, ableton seems to be flawless for live work..hmm.
AstralExistence - Mon May 14, 2012 7:44 pm
abstractcats wrote:
bailees7irish wrote:
despite the negatives i listed in my above post, i still find that this DAW has the BEST pianoroll of any other DAW on the market. that feature alone leads me to conclude that FL is not simply a "TOY". i can load up FL and mock up quick track ideas in mere minutes that i just cannot do so quickly and efficiently in any other software. sure, these are by no means complete tracks, but (in my experience), starting a song is one of the most difficult aspects of the song-writing process. in this respect, FL Studio is ESSENTIAL for me. sure, it does have its downsides, as i mentioned above, but i would still be completely lost without it.
one man's toy is another man's ultimate creative outlet.
Agreed, on piano roll and composing. The new live/ performance feature looks good. I'm looking at(in about two years or so) going live and I'd love to stay with FLS. But from what I've seen, ableton seems to be flawless for live work..hmm.
oh yeah, pianoroll is definitely the best in the daw world. ive found none better.
AstralExistence - Mon May 14, 2012 7:48 pm
exporting parts is a nightmare.
stillshaded - Mon May 14, 2012 8:05 pm
Oh my sweet sweet fruity loops, how I long for thee.
I'm afraid I'm in the same boat as others in this thread. I have wet dreams about the piano roll so many nights, but damned If I can keep one project from becoming a nightmare.
They just added group tracks, which means theoretically, if you take the time to color all the tracks, generators, and mixer tracks, and then group your tracks together in the playlist, you could have a pretty organized project. However in other DAWs, you don't have to do anything like this, it just happens, everything is right there together and the same color.
Most of the time, the speed I enjoy on the front end of FLS, is lost on down the line, and the production process devolves into "why does this knob keep turnin to this value here? oh there's an extra automation clip.. wtf its still doing it? OH SHIT an initialized value!!! wait a second what he'll is this automation clip doing anyways?? Oh sytrus filter cutoff... wait wait. BUT WHICH SYTRUS??? f**k THIS SONG"
bailees7irish - Mon May 14, 2012 8:20 pm
stillshaded wrote:
"why does this knob keep turnin to this value here? oh there's an extra automation clip.. wtf its still doing it? OH SHIT an initialized value!!! wait a second what he'll is this automation clip doing anyways?? Oh sytrus filter cutoff... wait wait. BUT WHICH SYTRUS??? f**k THIS SONG"
AstralExistence - Mon May 14, 2012 8:25 pm
stillshaded wrote:
Oh my sweet sweet fruity loops, how I long for thee.
I'm afraid I'm in the same boat as others in this thread. I have wet dreams about the piano roll so many nights, but damned If I can keep one project from becoming a nightmare.
They just added group tracks, which means theoretically, if you take the time to color all the tracks, generators, and mixer tracks, and then group your tracks together in the playlist, you could have a pretty organized project. However in other DAWs, you don't have to do anything like this, it just happens, everything is right there together and the same color.
Most of the time, the speed I enjoy on the front end of FLS, is lost on down the line, and the production process devolves into "why does this knob keep turnin to this value here? oh there's an extra automation clip.. wtf its still doing it? OH SHIT an initialized value!!! wait a second what he'll is this automation clip doing anyways?? Oh sytrus filter cutoff... wait wait. BUT WHICH SYTRUS??? f**k THIS SONG"
I'm afraid I'm in the same boat as others in this thread. I have wet dreams about the piano roll so many nights, but damned If I can keep one project from becoming a nightmare.
They just added group tracks, which means theoretically, if you take the time to color all the tracks, generators, and mixer tracks, and then group your tracks together in the playlist, you could have a pretty organized project. However in other DAWs, you don't have to do anything like this, it just happens, everything is right there together and the same color.
Most of the time, the speed I enjoy on the front end of FLS, is lost on down the line, and the production process devolves into "why does this knob keep turnin to this value here? oh there's an extra automation clip.. wtf its still doing it? OH SHIT an initialized value!!! wait a second what he'll is this automation clip doing anyways?? Oh sytrus filter cutoff... wait wait. BUT WHICH SYTRUS??? f**k THIS SONG"
exactly
SadPuppyBlues - Mon May 14, 2012 8:31 pm
On the bright side, guys, at least you aren't married to Ableton and constantly fighting with her because she refuses to do automation recording in session view.
-"Baby, I love how you group things, but I don't see what the hangup is about grouping group tracks."
-"It's never enough for you! I'm trying SO HARD to make you happy."
-"I just wanna keep improving the projects we have toget--"
-"I'LL NEVER BE GOOD ENOUGH... MAYBE YOU SHOULD JUST GO CALL YOUR LITTLE WHORE BITWIG. OH WAIT, SHE'S STILL IN BETA. YOU LOVED ME WHEN I WAS IN BETA, TOO."
-"B-baby..."
mandolarian - Mon May 14, 2012 9:30 pm
AstralExistence wrote:
exporting parts is a nightmare.
Really? It's too easy for me. Solo - Render - Done.
FL as a composition tool is an unrivaled toy, my fav plaything. Not the best mix down beast, but nothing is perfect. The piano roll is so good everything else is forgiven. And since it can run as a VST, it can play along with others in beautiful harmony - like ebony and ivory...oh wait maybe not such a great metaphorical compositional tool after all.
bailees7irish - Mon May 14, 2012 10:27 pm
SadPuppyBlues wrote:
On the bright side, guys, at least you aren't married to Ableton and constantly fighting with her because she refuses to do automation recording in session view.
-"Baby, I love how you group things, but I don't see what the hangup is about grouping group tracks."
-"It's never enough for you! I'm trying SO HARD to make you happy."
-"I just wanna keep improving the projects we have toget--"
-"I'LL NEVER BE GOOD ENOUGH... MAYBE YOU SHOULD JUST GO CALL YOUR LITTLE WHORE BITWIG. OH WAIT, SHE'S STILL IN BETA. YOU LOVED ME WHEN I WAS IN BETA, TOO."
-"B-baby..."
-"Baby, I love how you group things, but I don't see what the hangup is about grouping group tracks."
-"It's never enough for you! I'm trying SO HARD to make you happy."
-"I just wanna keep improving the projects we have toget--"
-"I'LL NEVER BE GOOD ENOUGH... MAYBE YOU SHOULD JUST GO CALL YOUR LITTLE WHORE BITWIG. OH WAIT, SHE'S STILL IN BETA. YOU LOVED ME WHEN I WAS IN BETA, TOO."
-"B-baby..."
Z3R0T0N1N - Mon May 14, 2012 10:29 pm
I like it because it's different. Groups are brilliant, the new live composition and performance mode is mind blowing. It has its issues, yes; but it's also better at what it does well than anything else.
Normally I don't feel any desire to quibble with discussions like these, but... I mean, does everything have to be the same? I use FL when I'm making my own music, and Reaper when I am collaborating. I don't ever feel the need to have them merge. I still prefer FL for its speed and intuitive workflow (for me). Nothing else I've worked with since the Atari days has felt so much like an instrument. Everything else feels just a little bit like work to me.
So just load it up as a VSTi or Re(a)wire it or something. Enjoy the fact that at least one of the DAW softwares is not slowly evolving into everything else.
(not counting MuLab, or the trackers, so nerds calm down.
)
(...kidding, I think MuLab is almost as excellent as Muzys 3, and Renoise is astonishing.)
stillshaded - Mon May 14, 2012 11:04 pm
I hear what you're saying z3r0. I do love so many things about the application. I jus think that as my workflow has matured, it becomes harder to have a big picture approach with FL studio.
I've been trying out presonus studio one, and it has that same "instrument" feel, but it's much more straight forward, and I don't get overwhelmed with options as much. I don't have to decide which method of automation to use, where to put it in the playlist, I don't have to fumble with weird mixing organizing and routing, I don't run out of RAM, and most of all the project is always at least somewhat organized.
And really the piano roll is becoming my second favorite to FLS pretty quickly. It's so close to being there. its kind of funny when I think about how the piano roll is really the only thing that makes me consider staying. That and the friggin Ctrl+right click zoom tool (brilliant). If presonus where to add instruments and effect racks the way they are in ableton, I think I would never look back. in general I have a lot more hope for how presonus is going to handle growth of the program than image-line will.
jeez I gotta to to sleep what am I doing
Crackbaby - Mon May 14, 2012 11:50 pm
Could you describe what makes the pianoroll so good please?
I have yet to find one that im 100% happy with (been using reaper, energyXT, reason and maschine).
The biggest bothers are the need for doubleclick to enter a note(!!!!) and multiple tools. Sometimes i think the GUI could use more shades and colour to different different octaves etc .. just to make it easier for the eyes to see where you are.
alvfaria - Tue May 15, 2012 1:25 am
FL Piano roll is the best because...
Left click - Draw a note
Right click - Delete a note
CTRL+Drag - Select stuff
SHIFT+Drag - Duplicate your crap
ALT+Scroll - Velocity adjust
ALT+ ◄ or ► - Fine positioning (move 1 thick)
SHIFT+ ▲ or ▼ - Semitone transpose
CTRL+ ▲ or ▼ - Octave transpose
And there's quantize, and flam, and strum, and chop...
FL Piano roll = less clicks!!! ☺
LawrenceF - Tue May 15, 2012 6:08 am
In fairness, FLStudio seems to suffer from the same subjective "flaws" being applied universally in the DAW world, that some people want them all to be everything for everyone.
It's an electronic production tool and it's (imo) very good at that. If you try to force it into being Pro Tools for tracking and editing and mixing, you'll likely be disappointed... and vice versa if you try to force PT into an electronic tool like FL.
We kinda just want it all don't we?
Bitwig Studio will solve all your problems.
The DAW to end all daws... except (inevitable) where it won't ("meow"...). Z3R0T0N1N - Tue May 15, 2012 7:13 am
LawrenceF wrote:
In fairness, FLStudio seems to suffer from the same subjective "flaws" being applied universally in the DAW world, that some people want them all to be everything for everyone.
It's an electronic production tool and it's (imo) very good at that. If you try to force it into being Pro Tools for tracking and editing and mixing, you'll likely be disappointed... and vice versa if you try to force PT into an electronic tool like FL.
We kinda just want it all don't we?
Bitwig Studio will solve all your problems. The DAW to end all daws... except (inevitable) where it won't ("meow"...).
It's an electronic production tool and it's (imo) very good at that. If you try to force it into being Pro Tools for tracking and editing and mixing, you'll likely be disappointed... and vice versa if you try to force PT into an electronic tool like FL.
We kinda just want it all don't we?
Bitwig Studio will solve all your problems.
The DAW to end all daws... except (inevitable) where it won't ("meow"...). well said, I think. Arglebargle - Tue May 15, 2012 8:03 am
alvfaria wrote:
FL Piano roll is the best because...
Left click - Draw a note
Right click - Delete a note
CTRL+Drag - Select stuff
SHIFT+Drag - Duplicate your crap
ALT+Scroll - Velocity adjust
ALT+ ◄ or ► - Fine positioning (move 1 thick)
SHIFT+ ▲ or ▼ - Semitone transpose
CTRL+ ▲ or ▼ - Octave transpose
And there's quantize, and flam, and strum, and chop...
FL Piano roll = less clicks!!! ☺
Left click - Draw a note
Right click - Delete a note
CTRL+Drag - Select stuff
SHIFT+Drag - Duplicate your crap
ALT+Scroll - Velocity adjust
ALT+ ◄ or ► - Fine positioning (move 1 thick)
SHIFT+ ▲ or ▼ - Semitone transpose
CTRL+ ▲ or ▼ - Octave transpose
And there's quantize, and flam, and strum, and chop...
FL Piano roll = less clicks!!! ☺
I think I can do all that in Reaper.
AstralExistence - Tue May 15, 2012 10:18 am
Z3R0T0N1N wrote:
Groups are brilliant,
where can i find information on these brilliant groups? it must be in the beta version.
liquid wind - Tue May 15, 2012 11:58 am
Teksonik wrote:
AstralExistence wrote:
fl studio gets on my nerves because you cant get any real organization to your songs.
AstralExistence wrote:
fl studio is a joy to use
He's saying that he wants FL to be just like Reaper, but he doesn't want to use Reaper
I think I've seen this person before
sjm - Tue May 15, 2012 12:23 pm
Arglebargle wrote:
alvfaria wrote:
FL Piano roll is the best because...
Left click - Draw a note
Right click - Delete a note
CTRL+Drag - Select stuff
SHIFT+Drag - Duplicate your crap
ALT+Scroll - Velocity adjust
ALT+ ◄ or ► - Fine positioning (move 1 thick)
SHIFT+ ▲ or ▼ - Semitone transpose
CTRL+ ▲ or ▼ - Octave transpose
And there's quantize, and flam, and strum, and chop...
FL Piano roll = less clicks!!! ☺
Left click - Draw a note
Right click - Delete a note
CTRL+Drag - Select stuff
SHIFT+Drag - Duplicate your crap
ALT+Scroll - Velocity adjust
ALT+ ◄ or ► - Fine positioning (move 1 thick)
SHIFT+ ▲ or ▼ - Semitone transpose
CTRL+ ▲ or ▼ - Octave transpose
And there's quantize, and flam, and strum, and chop...
FL Piano roll = less clicks!!! ☺
I think I can do all that in Reaper.
You should just try it out (there's a fully functional demo). While Reaper is super-configurable, FL's piano roll is a joy to use without spending hours delving into menus and setting everything up. You can start making music straight away. I found Reaper's default piano roll setup to be a PITA and couldn't be bothered investing that much time into setting it up when FL works OOTB. Someone had posted that they'd basically set Reaper up to work exactly like FL, but I wish they'd also posted the config to save everyone else the hassle of doing it all over again.
Reaper is better for other things, in particular audio in FL is still very much an afterthought with loads of additional bits tagged on as workarounds instead of just implementing it properly. The piano roll however is excellent and the reason I bought FL and have not bought Reaper.
EDIT: BTW if all you're doing in the piano roll is making minor edits to live MIDI recordings you might not notice the benefits; but if you are programming parts from zero or making massive changes to parts it really comes into its own.
S-N-S - Tue May 15, 2012 1:12 pm
Fl studio is a perfect match for studio one pro,ive been writting all my latest Drum N Bass in FL and mixing and mastering in studio one pro
kmonkey - Tue May 15, 2012 1:18 pm
My mom can make very fine tea...
btw pretty decent mix for a toy:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-FEPArkk2xI
deathwish - Tue May 15, 2012 1:48 pm
Arglebargle wrote:
alvfaria wrote:
FL Piano roll is the best because...
Left click - Draw a note
Right click - Delete a note
CTRL+Drag - Select stuff
SHIFT+Drag - Duplicate your crap
ALT+Scroll - Velocity adjust
ALT+ ◄ or ► - Fine positioning (move 1 thick)
SHIFT+ ▲ or ▼ - Semitone transpose
CTRL+ ▲ or ▼ - Octave transpose
And there's quantize, and flam, and strum, and chop...
FL Piano roll = less clicks!!! ☺
Left click - Draw a note
Right click - Delete a note
CTRL+Drag - Select stuff
SHIFT+Drag - Duplicate your crap
ALT+Scroll - Velocity adjust
ALT+ ◄ or ► - Fine positioning (move 1 thick)
SHIFT+ ▲ or ▼ - Semitone transpose
CTRL+ ▲ or ▼ - Octave transpose
And there's quantize, and flam, and strum, and chop...
FL Piano roll = less clicks!!! ☺
I think I can do all that in Reaper.
I think reaper can do better.
bailees7irish - Tue May 15, 2012 3:25 pm
kmonkey wrote:
Crackbaby - Tue May 15, 2012 9:25 pm
Can you configure reaper to draw a note with a single left click? No doubleclick?
Arglebargle - Wed May 16, 2012 5:17 am
Crackbaby wrote:
Can you configure reaper to draw a note with a single left click? No doubleclick?
Yes.
Arglebargle - Wed May 16, 2012 5:25 am
the only thing on that list off the top of my head that Reaper can't do is flam and strum. but the piano roll is surprisingly configurable.
now the one area where Reaper loses to pretty much every other DAW is no track-based MIDI editing.
TheoM - Wed May 16, 2012 8:11 am
bailees7irish wrote:
yes i can see that's all midi.
I should rephrase.
for serious AUDIO editing, FL is but a toy.
fair?
kmonkey - Wed May 16, 2012 9:44 am
Just a MIDI is a bit oversimplified imho. And i was responding to people which are claiming that for serious mixing it is a toy. Anyway i do get the part about missing corssfades etc.etc. but you can do all that with Edison. Yes it will take absurd amount of time on a project scale but it is doable. I can only symphatize with people which demand such features which are missing in FL Studio. Maybe some day it will have these tools we never know.
dune_rave - Wed May 16, 2012 10:16 am
You know what?
FLStudio is also a vst plugin, and you can use the plugin in Reaper, so you have both feature set!
TheoM - Wed May 16, 2012 11:19 am
dune_rave THAT makes sense
and i do have an unsellable license for it and i hear it's coming to mac, so it would be neat to use it for beat sequencing inside logic i must admit!
TristezaOrange - Wed May 16, 2012 11:34 am
ttoz wrote:
bailees7irish wrote:
yes i can see that's all midi.
I should rephrase.
for serious AUDIO editing, FL is but a toy.
fair?
Well, for serious deep frying Logic is a toy too, so what's your point?
Redspark - Wed May 16, 2012 11:37 am
ttoz wrote:
dune_rave THAT makes sense
and i do have an unsellable license for it and i hear it's coming to mac, so it would be neat to use it for beat sequencing inside logic i must admit!
and i do have an unsellable license for it and i hear it's coming to mac, so it would be neat to use it for beat sequencing inside logic i must admit!
The 'Mac' version is just the Windows version run in Crossover. It runs quite well but it's still the Windows version running in a Windows environment. No Logic.
TheoM - Wed May 16, 2012 11:42 am
TristezaOrange wrote:
ttoz wrote:
bailees7irish wrote:
yes i can see that's all midi.
I should rephrase.
for serious AUDIO editing, FL is but a toy.
fair?
Well, for serious deep frying Logic is a toy too, so what's your point?
that really is a weird statement. At least i have something to back up mine with.
Logic is one serious, professional bit of kit.
I will have you know it deep fries my olive oil chips to perfection.!
stillshaded - Wed May 16, 2012 11:55 am
Well, from my perspective, there's not really a limit on what you can do with FL studio. It's entirely organizational/workflow issues for me.
For some people the workflow seems to work perfectly for, but I'm just to disorganized by nature to keep everything straight.
The elements of FLS are brilliant, they're just put together in a strange way. The only area it lacks some actual ability is in audio editing, true, but that's never really affected me that much.
TristezaOrange - Wed May 16, 2012 12:07 pm
ttoz wrote:
TristezaOrange wrote:
ttoz wrote:
bailees7irish wrote:
yes i can see that's all midi.
I should rephrase.
for serious AUDIO editing, FL is but a toy.
fair?
Well, for serious deep frying Logic is a toy too, so what's your point?
that really is a weird statement. At least i have something to back up mine with.
Logic is one serious, professional bit of kit.
I will have you know it deep fries my olive oil chips to perfection.!
touche luckystrike - Wed May 16, 2012 10:24 pm
Logic looks toy for me because it doesn't well support post production how Nuendo does. But who cares.
BASSDRIVE - Thu May 17, 2012 1:17 am
I feel you, I absolutely LOVE FL Studio, but it can become a cluttered mess. What they need to do is get rid of the Patterns and just make a Step Sequencer plugin so the option is there. The main things that keep me coming back to FL is definitely the Piano Roll, by far the most visual and easiest to use IMO. I also enjoy how it's so easy to loop and get a quick groove or idea going and I love how quickly it scans for new plugs with the option to select them manually. Other than that I wish it had more of a look like Studio One or Mix Craft.
S-N-S - Thu May 17, 2012 2:54 am
FL studio can be as organised as any other DAW,just put some time into clour-coding,naming etc
its really not that hard
LawrenceF - Thu May 17, 2012 5:29 am
Why does this evoke so much emotion from people? If anyone should be offended by that, it's the developers who spend many years working on making something that's very useful to many people, and then just about give it away with a lifetime license, not users.
Let me say this with unequivocally... many people consider Garageband a toy but not only does Apple not care what they think, and most GB users not care what they think, but I guarantee you there are people who sing and play guitar or similar who've produced and recorded and mixed really good music in it. People who have actual musical talent.
So some people think FLStudio is a toy. So what? Exactly how does that affect anyone's musical life?
So 1000 people think your DAW of choice is a big fail. So what? So the higher level of the recording and music production industry thinks most of us are just kids playing with toys... since most of us aren't actually making records that anyone will actually ever buy, so what?
P.S. Studio One also sucks. Nobody could ever make music with it.
Reaper? Major fail. Sonar? Impossible to do anything in that piece of garbage. PT? Instrument handling sucks so another major fail. Live can't do 64-bit so it's impossible to make music with it. SAW? Ugly piece of trash that no proud producer would ever date.
Let's all just stop and wait for Bitwig Studio.
Or perhaps someone should pick up a C++ for dummies book and code the perfect DAW themselves.
alvfaria - Thu May 17, 2012 6:19 am
I like my toys!
I want to buy some more Mario Bros miniatures to put on top of my computer desk. I only have Mario and Goomba. Maybe a Toad action figure give a more psicodelic feel to my compositions!
LawrenceF - Thu May 17, 2012 6:34 am
alvfaria wrote:
I like my toys!
I want to buy some more Mario Bros miniatures to put on top of my computer desk.
I want to buy some more Mario Bros miniatures to put on top of my computer desk.
I have a ScoobyDoo action figure, stuffed animal, in the studio (really, I do). No mojo happens without it.
Scooby has the funk.
Shane Sanders - Thu May 17, 2012 6:49 am
Obviously I can't prove this, but I think that almost any DAW is plenty powerful enough to do serious work. The thing that holds a lot of people back is just not knowing simple things, like how important EQ shelving is or how to use a compressor for an artistic end rather than just squashing a signal. Things like that.
keel - Thu May 17, 2012 7:04 am
ttoz wrote:
for serious AUDIO editing, FL is but a toy.
Do you know that there is edison?
Build in audio editor? For me, that is doing all the audio editing, fast and easy. Z3R0T0N1N - Thu May 17, 2012 8:11 am
keel wrote:
ttoz wrote:
for serious AUDIO editing, FL is but a toy.
Do you know that there is edison?
Build in audio editor? For me, that is doing all the audio editing, fast and easy.I think they mean 'in track' (whatever the pro word for that would be) audio editing. True, that's a little rudimentary. I do think that tracking vocals would be pretty weird in FL. We always do that in Reaper and then start chopping it up there.
But my favourite audio editor is part of FL -- Edison.
alvfaria - Thu May 17, 2012 8:24 am
I think if IL release a Piano Roll VST plugin, they'll do lots of people happy (me included)
S-N-S - Thu May 17, 2012 8:48 am
alvfaria wrote:
I think if IL release a Piano Roll VST plugin, they'll do lots of people happy (me included)
personally i would like them to concentrate on more important things than that
liquidsound - Thu May 17, 2012 9:34 am
FL is a toy?
Go back to your room
highkoo - Thu May 17, 2012 11:47 am
Im think the PPQ affects the available zoom level. Some of those low settings are totally jacked up. I have my default project saved with it maxed out, I think.
(I dont think it ever zooms down to sample level though. Close maybe. How many hosts do that inline?)
Also, click on any audio clip header to overlay volume or panning automation with snap-less nodes.
And thats not mentioning the elephant in the room, Edison.
Are we going to ignore the one-click load into one of the best editors just to invent a weakness?
When I saw this thread title I was sure it was about FLs issues with loading multi-track wavs for mix downs. FL does not handle huge samples as well as other hosts, last I checked. Im sure Gol has expounded on why it makes sense...
Ninety percent of the time this doesnt bother me, cuz just like I tend not to do sample editing in the FL playlist, I tend to avoid mixing down multis in FL. (Although I wouldnt mind being able to. I have like twenty GB of ram ffs.)
Anyway, as of this moment in FL10, handling long samples is literally the only thing I find lacking, and theres a good chance even that is my fault.
Oh, and if your projects are 'a mess' or you have automation being recorded when you dont realize it, etc... Maybe just pay attention and like magic that shit will fix itself.
TheoM - Thu May 17, 2012 2:55 pm
liquidsound wrote:
FL is a toy?
Go back to your room
Go back to your room
Oh i see you've got mulab in your sig.
nuff said.
(p.s. i am having a rib for a larf, so don't get serious)
liquidsound - Thu May 17, 2012 3:06 pm
ttoz wrote:
liquidsound wrote:
FL is a toy?
Go back to your room
Go back to your room
Oh i see you've got mulab in your sig.
nuff said.
(p.s. i am having a rib for a larf, so don't get serious)
And please note the order of the sig.
Maybe we should ask LEGO to make a DAW. That should be quite flexible for everyone, but for you probably would still be a toy
BTW, I think all of these are great toys and I love it!
luckystrike - Thu May 17, 2012 8:54 pm
LawrenceF wrote:
Or perhaps someone should pick up a C++ for dummies book and code the perfect DAW themselves.
C++ itself doesn't make matters easier. In fact, mac version have to be coded from carbon to cocoa. I don't think there is any magic wand in programing.
Hink - Thu May 17, 2012 9:14 pm
well part of me doesn't want to post in this thread but...for me, and for me only I did agree with the op at one point in my life. However the truth is I have not tried to record audio into FL in years and many versions so some of the things might not be the same. FL is a scratch pad now on my laptop, that is basically what I use it for and I love it.
There was a period of time where I did my midi in FL and my audio in AA and ironically I finished more that way than I do now just using Samp but one has nothing to do with the other...it's just how things go in life.
There is nothing wrong with FL as a multi-track recorder, it's not FL it's me. It just wasn't natural for me back in the day and now years later I'm really set in my ways. I do not care for the school of thought that FL is a toy and basically I just dont read that part of people's post about FL.
It took me a while to go from FL's piano roll to Samp because I love FL's, once again it's the little things though that changed me. I use YT Indy on a lot of stuff, for one instrument I might use as many 10 channels. I loved when FL came out with the multi color for different midi channels (before yt indy, I was using v-sampler then) but the colors are just too close together for my eyes. Samp has the same feature but there is much more contrast in colors which is easier on me. I do miss FL's tools for midi like chopping and other things, that save a lot of time.
FL was my bridge from an HD recorder (Akai DPS-12, which was my gateway from tape to digital), I learned a lot from FL and it's one purchase I will never regret (actually two because I bought one for my son)...but I just can't seem to get in the groove recording audio into it. If I was a younger man at the time, didn't have 'my ways' I could see myself using just FL...but for me that just isn't the case...but I would never part with it even if I could
hibidy - Thu May 17, 2012 9:16 pm
Recording audio in fl is like trying to use midi in reaper.
hibidy - Thu May 17, 2012 9:18 pm
Ooops, forgot to say that I'M JUST KIDDING
mandolarian - Thu May 17, 2012 10:09 pm
hibidy wrote:
Recording audio in fl is like trying to use midi in reaper.
hibidy wrote:
Ooops, forgot to say that I'M JUST KIDDING
Too late. You reaper what you sower. You will be paid a visit by a Belgian dark chocolate salesman. He will ask to see your MIDI piano roll. You will try to resist, but the aroma of chocolate will overwhelm your desire to post on KVR for months at a time. Meanwhile, you'll live to create dark, bittersweet dark, broody post-industrial tracks using only your mouse, your Phenylethylamine-attled brain and a former citrus fruit growers association application. You will gain pounds and lose friends and conclude that live audio is better served not recorded at all.
hibidy - Thu May 17, 2012 10:43 pm
I've already gained all the pounds, I have very few friends and I hate reaper. But I remember recording audio in FL is like shoving an icepick in ones eyes and ears simultaneously, so.
quayquay17 - Thu May 17, 2012 10:54 pm
Just stopping by to say that FL's "razor" or "slice" tool in piano roll/playlist is INCREDIBLY useful. I remember it from the demo fondly. I am dedicated to ableton live, but oh how I miss it.
for those not in the know .. a rough example:
normal midi chord:
---------
---------
---------
Using the slice tool you can drag diagonally at any angle and slice down the line:
-\--------
--\-------
---\------
Leaving you with
..-------
...------
....-----
You might think "just edit each by hand, not that hard". But honestly, this is such a powerhouse tool for me. Just by playing a chord you can make perfect glissandos or strum patterns that aren't rigidly synced nor run through a midi vst. It's also amazing for drum programming, when you have multiple hits quantized to the same point and want a tiny bit of variance.
Z3R0T0N1N - Fri May 18, 2012 9:59 am
quayquay17 wrote:
Just stopping by to say that FL's "razor" or "slice" tool in piano roll/playlist is INCREDIBLY useful. I remember it from the demo fondly. I am dedicated to ableton live, but oh how I miss it.
for those not in the know .. a rough example:
normal midi chord:
---------
---------
---------
Using the slice tool you can drag diagonally at any angle and slice down the line:
-\--------
--\-------
---\------
Leaving you with
..-------
...------
....-----
You might think "just edit each by hand, not that hard". But honestly, this is such a powerhouse tool for me. Just by playing a chord you can make perfect glissandos or strum patterns that aren't rigidly synced nor run through a midi vst. It's also amazing for drum programming, when you have multiple hits quantized to the same point and want a tiny bit of variance.
for those not in the know .. a rough example:
normal midi chord:
---------
---------
---------
Using the slice tool you can drag diagonally at any angle and slice down the line:
-\--------
--\-------
---\------
Leaving you with
..-------
...------
....-----
You might think "just edit each by hand, not that hard". But honestly, this is such a powerhouse tool for me. Just by playing a chord you can make perfect glissandos or strum patterns that aren't rigidly synced nor run through a midi vst. It's also amazing for drum programming, when you have multiple hits quantized to the same point and want a tiny bit of variance.
totally amazing tool
'Claw' is pretty awesome too. 'chop' then 'claw' a long midi note for some nice effect.
Actually a lot of people, when speaking of the excellence of the FL piano roll, only mention the basics, but I think that the edit functions found in the menu (and available through shortcuts, obviously) are really remarkable as well. I miss those functions quite a bit when using other software.
deathwish - Sun May 20, 2012 10:21 am
keel wrote:
ttoz wrote:
for serious AUDIO editing, FL is but a toy.
Do you know that there is edison?
Build in audio editor? For me, that is doing all the audio editing, fast and easy.Edison is terrible compared to anything reaper or cubase can do. Orion can do everything FLStudio can do but much better.
liquidsound - Sun May 20, 2012 10:43 am
deathwish wrote:
keel wrote:
ttoz wrote:
for serious AUDIO editing, FL is but a toy.
Do you know that there is edison?
Build in audio editor? For me, that is doing all the audio editing, fast and easy.Edison is terrible compared to anything reaper or cubase can do. Orion can do everything FLStudio can do but much better.
audiosabre - Sun May 20, 2012 11:00 am
bmanic wrote:
Second, even if you COULD zoom all the way in, there is no friggin cross fade so you are screwed anyways. In fact, there aren't even basic fade in and fade out handles for the audio clips.
Hmmm...
audiosabre - Sun May 20, 2012 11:07 am
And may I add, my FL Studio projects are extremely (even obsessively) well organised.
Name, colour, set icons and group stuff. Easy
jancivil - Sun May 20, 2012 11:35 am
Quote:
I remember recording audio in FL is like shoving an icepick in ones eyes...
Quote:
Just stopping by to say that FL's "razor" or "slice" tool ... is INCREDIBLY useful.
gckilla - Sun May 20, 2012 12:46 pm
deathwish wrote:
keel wrote:
ttoz wrote:
for serious AUDIO editing, FL is but a toy.
Do you know that there is edison? :roll: Build in audio editor? For me, that is doing all the audio editing, fast and easy.
Edison is terrible compared to anything reaper or cubase can do. Orion can do everything FLStudio can do but much better.
Can't edit audio for one.
james0tucson - Sun May 20, 2012 8:07 pm
luckystrike wrote:
Logic looks toy for me because it doesn't well support post production how Nuendo does. But who cares.
If your contract says you'll deliver a Nuendo project, then you might care. Toolchain choices like these are, after all, decisions that are made for you by your circumstances (you don't own the studio where you work, or you do own it but your contract with Time Warner has certain requirements, or you've invested real capital into a TDM rig or whatever).
If you're not constrained that way, then you can do anything your budget allows, and if you're not compelled into some sort of agreement about production interoperability, then you get to choose what you want. There's no need to put down one consumer product in order to express affinity for a different one.
I wonder how many big releases go through a mastering step with Pyramix (everything that goes through Sterling Sound, which happens to be a lot, just for starters) and I wonder how many motion picture soundtracks get mastered and sync'd in Sequoia. Anybody here know what NBCUniversal typically requires for a final product? Anyone here ever have a voiceover contract with Touchstone or Vivendi who can describe the requirements there? I'll bet they went a little further than just "don't use XXX because it's a toy..."
I hate to think of people getting bogged down in gear and software choices because they get the impression that they have to play by the same rules as people who are doing work for others, where the stakes are high and there's severe competition. It would bother me a lot if there are well-intentioned amateurs with the budget of an individual, trying to take advice from someone who is working in a well-funded voiceover studio doing production work. A forum like this can provide an illusion that you dwell in the same world and have any of the same considerations.
Crackbaby - Mon May 21, 2012 5:57 am
Very well said JamesOtucson!!!
V'ger - Mon May 21, 2012 7:36 am
AstralExistence wrote:
i currently use reaper which i like, but i also own fl studio and its going on version 11. reaper is great in the customization department. but fl studio gets on my nerves because you cant get any real organization to your songs. you have automation clips all over the place, your tracks are always out of order because of the pattern based workflow, it does seem that fl studio is going towards multitrack (thats what my friend thinks) am curious what others think?
Even Image Line thinks so as the default project that comes with the demo is track based, not pattern. Truly bizarre.
And as for using FL as multitrack (faking it with 1 pattern etc), is a huge mess having to create patterns for each instance and keeping track of each and endless switching etc. And as you say with automation clips just floating freely and unconnected color coding I've given up and will regret buying FL until they finally drop the tbpf kiddy step sequencer and pattern thing. But probably the code is so jumbled from having swelled from a simple drum step sequencer that it's almost impossible to get rid of now.
ouroboros - Mon May 21, 2012 11:45 pm
james0tucson wrote:
luckystrike wrote:
Logic looks toy for me because it doesn't well support post production how Nuendo does. But who cares.
If your contract says you'll deliver a Nuendo project, then you might care. Toolchain choices like these are, after all, decisions that are made for you by your circumstances (you don't own the studio where you work, or you do own it but your contract with Time Warner has certain requirements, or you've invested real capital into a TDM rig or whatever).
If you're not constrained that way, then you can do anything your budget allows, and if you're not compelled into some sort of agreement about production interoperability, then you get to choose what you want. There's no need to put down one consumer product in order to express affinity for a different one.
I wonder how many big releases go through a mastering step with Pyramix (everything that goes through Sterling Sound, which happens to be a lot, just for starters) and I wonder how many motion picture soundtracks get mastered and sync'd in Sequoia. Anybody here know what NBCUniversal typically requires for a final product? Anyone here ever have a voiceover contract with Touchstone or Vivendi who can describe the requirements there? I'll bet they went a little further than just "don't use XXX because it's a toy..."
I hate to think of people getting bogged down in gear and software choices because they get the impression that they have to play by the same rules as people who are doing work for others, where the stakes are high and there's severe competition. It would bother me a lot if there are well-intentioned amateurs with the budget of an individual, trying to take advice from someone who is working in a well-funded voiceover studio doing production work. A forum like this can provide an illusion that you dwell in the same world and have any of the same considerations.
Thanks, James; that was encouraging.
Image-Line - Wed May 23, 2012 7:44 pm
FWIW all DAW software are toys, because lets face it, music making does not fall into the categories of food, shelter, clothing or health
In my experience, the more experienced people are the more respect they show for all music making tools. All can now be used to make music in any genre, and that is a win is it not?
Here's a random smattering of things made in the toy we call FL Studio...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w7eO-W9sHlE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KkEkHAe_Gug
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XBkFAfTt7Hs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HuC2MUmQaG4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XHs99iVpnXU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KQYzF84xocw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Fe4dk0Jtcw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C9o2LHSO6IA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LAt967_LQlI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4K4T83Ca5qA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oe1fRwgGu5E
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fY1DMYET_-U
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oZMJaJLj7WI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XghH2MlBVdY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cm6qFEfWO5Y
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2rBDFs3FOTM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-u-gAIMKVZ0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JGy2F6fec3A
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J4vRepLGb0o
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oPO8BZlPtVs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zEvQsT_Dqgw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P7iESu2XuCU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DT5mfKmdwmI
Regards Scott
hibidy - Wed May 23, 2012 7:59 pm
@600,000 player loads that take forever to view a page: thanks
FL. A disappointment on so many levels there is no way to cover it here
BUT, it is not a "toy". I have no idea where that came from and though I find the joke entertaining, it's not accurate in anyway/shape/form.
Meffy - Wed May 23, 2012 8:16 pm
hibidy wrote:
@600,000 player loads that take forever to view a page: thanks
Here's where you can switch that off and just see ordinary links: http://www.kvraudio.com/mykvr.php?m=prefs
hibidy - Wed May 23, 2012 8:36 pm
Meffy wrote:
hibidy wrote:
@600,000 player loads that take forever to view a page: thanks
Here's where you can switch that off and just see ordinary links: http://www.kvraudio.com/mykvr.php?m=prefs
I don't want it off all the time
I want to be able to load a page w/o a flood.
EDIT, there, that's better
Next page aciddose - Wed May 23, 2012 9:08 pm
i recommend flashblock. works great.
only time it's a problem is on poorly written pages where the flash object isn't given a valid rectangle. (then you have to right click and enable flash page-wide to get the page to work right. for example, sound-cloud.)
hibidy - Wed May 23, 2012 9:20 pm
(and the deep end got a little deeper)
Why we gotta go off on this is beyond me but if it's that important to clarify, than a clarification you shall get.
He did that to force his point that FL is not a toy. In fact, I agree (and plenty of others do too) but I'm not turning off flash because some guy went apeshit posting too many "examples"
I like embedded viddys and 99% of the time......it's not an issue aciddose - Wed May 23, 2012 9:47 pm
you might still seriously want to check it out. just factor in how often you see a flash object that you didn't ask for floating around somewhere.
flashblock replaces the rectangle with a background that has a "play" button in the middle. you press the button to load the object.
the flash file is never downloaded, and the plugin is never loaded until you press the button. this is a major advantage in speed!
hibidy - Wed May 23, 2012 10:17 pm
I appreciate you mentioning it
lotus2035 - Wed May 23, 2012 10:40 pm
aciddose wrote:
i recommend flashblock. works great.
Flashblock is a toy
,
Flashwipe is so much better, all the pros use it.
hibidy - Wed May 23, 2012 10:41 pm
awesome! mandolarian - Wed May 23, 2012 11:37 pm
lotus2035 wrote:
aciddose wrote:
i recommend flashblock. works great.
Flashblock is a toy
,
Flashwipe is so much better, all the pros use it.
Sure, that maybe the case, but only the overpaid pros can afford to purchase the FlashDongle required to run Flashwipe in a professional environment. Like those found in a KVRian's bedroom.
hibidy - Thu May 24, 2012 12:56 am
mandolarian - Thu May 24, 2012 2:00 am
hibidy wrote:
Ouch! I thought air guitar was painful.
Or....
Oh, look, the water's so clear I can see the bottom of the pool.
Or
Ha-ha. That free internet Bungee Jumping course saved so much time and money, but what was that rubber band thingie about?
This isn't real. I'm trapped in a photoshop mashup on the internet. This isn't real, I'm...
So many captions, so few splashy witticisms...
trimph1 - Thu May 24, 2012 3:47 am
lotus2035 wrote:
aciddose wrote:
i recommend flashblock. works great.
Flashblock is a toy
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Flashwipe is so much better, all the pros use it.
FlashNuke is far better!!!
lotus2035 - Thu May 24, 2012 5:21 am
trimph1 wrote:
lotus2035 wrote:
aciddose wrote:
i recommend flashblock. works great.
Flashblock is a toy
,
Flashwipe is so much better, all the pros use it.
FlashNuke is far better!!!
Better? Yes. But the best? No.
That accolade is reserved for 'FlashBlackhole', which sucks up all flash elements within 100 million light years.
Not yet tested in the milky way but initial reports of the first major trial in the Andromeda galaxy have reported no flash elements remain across 300 billion star systems. Still a shit load of porn though.
bmanic - Thu May 24, 2012 6:12 am
Arglebargle wrote:
alvfaria wrote:
FL Piano roll is the best because...
Left click - Draw a note
Right click - Delete a note
CTRL+Drag - Select stuff
SHIFT+Drag - Duplicate your crap
ALT+Scroll - Velocity adjust
ALT+ ◄ or ► - Fine positioning (move 1 thick)
SHIFT+ ▲ or ▼ - Semitone transpose
CTRL+ ▲ or ▼ - Octave transpose
And there's quantize, and flam, and strum, and chop...
FL Piano roll = less clicks!!! ☺
Left click - Draw a note
Right click - Delete a note
CTRL+Drag - Select stuff
SHIFT+Drag - Duplicate your crap
ALT+Scroll - Velocity adjust
ALT+ ◄ or ► - Fine positioning (move 1 thick)
SHIFT+ ▲ or ▼ - Semitone transpose
CTRL+ ▲ or ▼ - Octave transpose
And there's quantize, and flam, and strum, and chop...
FL Piano roll = less clicks!!! ☺
I think I can do all that in Reaper.
Good luck with that. I've tried configuring Reaper to work like FL Studio several times.. ever since version 2.xx of Reaper.
Nope. Isn't happening. Not even close.
In fact, I absolutely HATE composing stuff in Reaper due to the absolutely ABYSMAL pianoroll. It is HORRIBLE.
There are many more reasons why it's horrible than just being able to assign key commands. The way the mouse "snaps" to a function, for instance adjusting note length versus note height (middle of note versus end of note), especially short tiny notes, is horrible and very un-intuitive. It's the exact opposite of "it just works!". It's literally "it just doesn't work!". Constant fighting of trying to get the mouse cursor in the correct position to do the correct thing.
Then finally the graphics of the piano roll are just not even remotely as clear as in FL Studio and I've tried MANY of the highest quality skins/templates for Reaper. I don't know why or what makes the FL piano roll so superior but it just is.
Believe me, the day Reaper's piano roll performs like the FL Studio one, that's the day I completely ditch FL Studio.
Cheers!
bManic
bmanic - Thu May 24, 2012 6:26 am
stillshaded wrote:
The only area it lacks some actual ability is in audio editing, true, but that's never really affected me that much.
.. and that's the key. It never affected YOU that much but as I work with a ton of mixed content, a lot of audio tracks (over 30+ vocal takes for the chorus alone is very common in today's pop productions) you just can't do that kind of stuff in FL Studio without loosing a ton of time.
3 very simple things would remedy this to a large extent.
1) Being able to zoom close enough, down to sample level would be preferable so that you can see zero-crossings
2) Having a basic but usable cross-fade option (both automatic and user selectable)
3) Basic fade-in and fade-out of audio clips
These are features that appeared in the very first versions of Logic, Cubase, Cakewalk, Pro Tools and virtually any other DAW that dares call it self that. Granted, a lot of the early versions were "offline" processing of the fades and cross fades so you CAN basically do this within FL Studio by loading up the audio into an instance of Edison and then dragging it back on track but try doing that for 30+ audio files just to polish the chorus alone. Nope. Ain't happening unless the client has tons of money and is a moron.
So in THIS kind of scenario, ttoz is absolutely right. FL Studio is merely a toy.
HOWEVER, in the music PRODUCTION/COMPOSITION part of music where you do NOT record tons of audio tracks, there FL Studio is absolutely killer and most definitely not a toy. In this scenario it eats most DAWs for breakfast, at least in my opinion.
It all comes down to what you are using the thing for. The sad part is that FL Studio could easily be so much more with so little added BASIC functionality. And you can't even really argue against the this.. the functionality is very very basic. Heck, even my crappy 20$ fostex 8 track digital recorder thing has basic fade-in, fade-out and cross-fades!!
Cheers!
bManic