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DNR Collaborative - Tue May 15, 2012 7:02 am
We're working on a project right now that is still in development, but is far enough along where we can post some information about it. The project's working name is now "Wave Designer", as you can see from the images below, which is a single-cycle waveform creation utility which allows the user to create waveforms, audition them with the MIDI keyboard, and then export them to a 2048 sample .wav file for use in software synthesizers which support such a format (Alchemy, Helix, etc).
Wave Designer Project Page
Currently it allows for the creation of waveforms via a function editor panel, but as you can see from the screenshots, there is actually plans to include a node-editing system as well, for those who are not interested in inputting formulas.
You can also see that it has some exposable basic synthesizer controls to allow you to use it as a raw waveform synthesizer in your VST host. Currently there is Amplifier and Filter envelopes, as well as a simple filter system. Master volume control will also be included (not shown).
This project will indeed be free for the previous 2-year subscribers, as well as the Developer's license holders of the Sound Repository.
Below you will find a list of current suggestions and format support requests. More info will be posted as I receive it. Feedback and suggestions are welcome.
Suggested Formats:
- Vember Surge
- Wusikstation V7
- NI Absynth
- U-he Zebra
- Gladiator
- SynthMaster
- Helix
- Alchemy
- Rapture
- Circle
- Discovery
- Corona
- Rhino
- Harmor
- Toxic
- ElectraX
- Blofeld
- PPG 3.V
- Piston Honda
- Shruthi1
Suggested Features:
- Random Waveform Generation
- Extreme Waveform Generation
- Additive sliders to create overtones/organ cycles
- Vocal/Voice cycle presets
- Time domain mirroring/shifting/flipping
- Ability to "distort" a clean wave by some amount
- Morphing Waveforms
- Hand drawing
- Import Waveforms
- Multisamples
- Batch Operations
- Soundfont Export
- Extract from audio file
- Harmonic range meter
- Custom sample length
- SFZ Export
- Snap to grid drawing
- Analysis and resynthesis
- Export to Discovery Pro/Corona DWB
- Additional 'view' options
- Partial editing
- Spectral blur
- FM
- Contract/expand
Steven
audington - Tue May 15, 2012 7:15 am
Stick a 'generate random waveform' button on there and you're on to a winner!
PietW. - Tue May 15, 2012 7:34 am
DNR Collaborative wrote:
Hi There,
We're working on a project right now that is still in development, but is far enough along where we can post some information about it. The project's working name is "WaveShaper", as you can see from the iamges below, but unfortunately it is a bit misleading because it is not a waveshaping effect, but rather a single-cycle waveform creation utility which allows the user to create waveforms, audition them with the MIDI keyboard, and then export them to a 2048 sample .wav file for use in software synthesizers which support such a format (Alchemy, Helix, etc). WaveBuilder is probably a more accurate name for it, and may end up the final name, but we'll see.
Currently it allows for the creation of waveforms via a function editor panel, but as you can see from the screenshots, there is actually plans to include a node-editing system as well, for those who are not interested in inputting formulas.
You can also see that it has some exposable basic synthesizer controls to allow you to use it as a raw waveform synthesizer in your VST host. Currently there is Amplifier and Filter envelopes, as well as a simple filter system. Master volume control will also be included (not shown).
More info will be posted as I receive it. Feedback and suggestions are welcome
Steven
We're working on a project right now that is still in development, but is far enough along where we can post some information about it. The project's working name is "WaveShaper", as you can see from the iamges below, but unfortunately it is a bit misleading because it is not a waveshaping effect, but rather a single-cycle waveform creation utility which allows the user to create waveforms, audition them with the MIDI keyboard, and then export them to a 2048 sample .wav file for use in software synthesizers which support such a format (Alchemy, Helix, etc). WaveBuilder is probably a more accurate name for it, and may end up the final name, but we'll see.
Currently it allows for the creation of waveforms via a function editor panel, but as you can see from the screenshots, there is actually plans to include a node-editing system as well, for those who are not interested in inputting formulas.
You can also see that it has some exposable basic synthesizer controls to allow you to use it as a raw waveform synthesizer in your VST host. Currently there is Amplifier and Filter envelopes, as well as a simple filter system. Master volume control will also be included (not shown).
More info will be posted as I receive it. Feedback and suggestions are welcome
Steven
LeVzi - Tue May 15, 2012 7:47 am
+1 for randomize waveform, and the addition of a create insane waveform
lol DNR Collaborative - Tue May 15, 2012 7:47 am
audington wrote:
Stick a 'generate random waveform' button on there and you're on to a winner!
Sounds like a useful feature to me. I'll compile some of the suggestions here and make sure they are looked over
Steven
DNR Collaborative - Tue May 15, 2012 8:24 am
LeVzi wrote:
+1 for randomize waveform, and the addition of a create insane waveform lol
lolI'm not 100% sure about the 'create insane waveform' button, but I imagine it would be something that could be looked into
Steven
DNR Collaborative - Tue May 15, 2012 9:53 am
Just to also clarify, currently the export format will be a 2048 sample cycle, but we are also interested in other formats that designers/users would like to export to. We crrently only have Camel Audio's Alchemy on the list, but are also looking into other formats. If anyone has a specific format that is required, please do let us know.
Steven
PietW. - Tue May 15, 2012 10:19 am
DNR Collaborative wrote:
Just to also clarify, currently the export format will be a 2048 sample cycle, but we are also interested in other formats that designers/users would like to export to. We crrently only have Camel Audio's Alchemy on the list, but are also looking into other formats. If anyone has a specific format that is required, please do let us know.
Steven
Steven
The format for Absynth would be nice. I believe these are 1024 samples.
DNR Collaborative - Tue May 15, 2012 10:33 am
PietW. wrote:
DNR Collaborative wrote:
Just to also clarify, currently the export format will be a 2048 sample cycle, but we are also interested in other formats that designers/users would like to export to. We crrently only have Camel Audio's Alchemy on the list, but are also looking into other formats. If anyone has a specific format that is required, please do let us know.
Steven
Steven
The format for Absynth would be nice. I believe these are 1024 samples.
And the Absynth format is still .wav, just shortened to 1024 samples?
Steven
larm - Tue May 15, 2012 10:37 am
Ideas
- Additive sliders to create overtones/organ cycles
- Vocal/Voice cycle presets
Pre/Post-waveform-"FX"-section
- Time domain mirroring/shifting/flipping
- Ability to "distort" a clean wave by some amount
DNR Collaborative - Tue May 15, 2012 10:55 am
larm wrote:
- Additive sliders to create overtones/organ cycles
- Vocal/Voice cycle presets
- Vocal/Voice cycle presets
Noted
larm wrote:
Pre/Post-waveform-"FX"-section
- Time domain mirroring/shifting/flipping
- Ability to "distort" a clean wave by some amount
- Time domain mirroring/shifting/flipping
- Ability to "distort" a clean wave by some amount
I'm not entirely sure what the first one even is, but I know that an FX section had been discussed. In any case, I'll make sure to include all of these requests
Steven
jowen - Tue May 15, 2012 11:09 am
Like to see something like a morph generation:
You have a start wave and a end wave and you could select how many steps should be generated between to get something like a wave table.
Example:
1 is the start wave and 128 the end wave with 126 steps between that were generated.
jowen
DiNFeVo - Tue May 15, 2012 11:10 am
* Hand drawing
* Glue two waveforms, ie. half sine + half saw
ChiTown24 - Tue May 15, 2012 11:28 am
formats to work with;;
Alchemy already mentioned
Cakewalk Rapture (i think it uses plain .wavs?)
Vember Audio Surge
up to 1024
file extension .WT (or .wav for windows users)
FAW Circle
2048 (not sure if its fixed length)
file extension .WDF
U-He Zebra
2048 (if im not mistaken it creates a wavetable a size of 16 cycles with a length of 128 samples each adding up to a total of 2048, or is it a wavtable of 8 cycles of 128 adding up to 1024 ?)
file extension .h2p
would be great to be able to import/export from the various wavecycle/table formats.
decent batch operation of any import/export functions would be great
customizable naming conventions for output files
(so i could export for example 3 octaves of individual wavecycles named by note, or number, with perhaps a custom prefix or two)
ability to output (collections of) wavecycles as soundfonts too
ability to import an audio file of any length, and have the application automatically/randomly select a designated number of wavecycles
ability to import an audio file of any length and scrub through it with a fixed window size of 2048 or 1024 etc to find desirable wavecycles
will post more ideas later
and osx compatibility of course!
PietW. - Tue May 15, 2012 11:39 am
DNR Collaborative wrote:
PietW. wrote:
DNR Collaborative wrote:
Just to also clarify, currently the export format will be a 2048 sample cycle, but we are also interested in other formats that designers/users would like to export to. We crrently only have Camel Audio's Alchemy on the list, but are also looking into other formats. If anyone has a specific format that is required, please do let us know.
Steven
Steven
The format for Absynth would be nice. I believe these are 1024 samples.
And the Absynth format is still .wav, just shortened to 1024 samples?
Steven
Hi Steven,
Absynth5 supports the WAV format (1024 samples) and the gly-format.
best regards
Piet
DNR Collaborative - Tue May 15, 2012 11:40 am
Well, we've made it to nearly a page without any compaints on the UI, so I think we're in the clear with that discussion
Steven
PietW. - Tue May 15, 2012 11:59 am
DNR Collaborative wrote:
Just to also clarify, currently the export format will be a 2048 sample cycle, but we are also interested in other formats that designers/users would like to export to. We crrently only have Camel Audio's Alchemy on the list, but are also looking into other formats. If anyone has a specific format that is required, please do let us know.
Steven
Steven
Alchemy needs the RAW-Format or Wav files with at least 20 periodic passages.
Alchemy can not import a single cycle waves.
LeVzi - Tue May 15, 2012 12:06 pm
DNR Collaborative wrote:
LeVzi wrote:
+1 for randomize waveform, and the addition of a create insane waveform lol
lolI'm not 100% sure about the 'create insane waveform' button, but I imagine it would be something that could be looked into
Steven
haha, yeah maybe insane is something a bit OTT , but definately something a lot more random than the norm. Definitely something to look out for
KBSoundSmith - Tue May 15, 2012 12:07 pm
PietW. wrote:
DNR Collaborative wrote:
Just to also clarify, currently the export format will be a 2048 sample cycle, but we are also interested in other formats that designers/users would like to export to. We crrently only have Camel Audio's Alchemy on the list, but are also looking into other formats. If anyone has a specific format that is required, please do let us know.
Steven
Steven
Alchemy needs the RAW-Format or Wav files with at least 20 periodic passages.
Alchemy can not import a single cycle waves.
That's true. However, Camel Audio does have a utility on their user section at the CA website that let's you import one cycle, and the utility does the rest of the work for you (I believe it was someone here at KVR who made it up).
Just looked it up, it's called Wave 2 Alchemy.
edit: Oh yeah, the project seems great by the way,
. Looking forward to it; I'll have to think a bit about suggestions and get back to you. Wildfunk - Tue May 15, 2012 12:07 pm
Is it a plugin or a standalone tool?
If standalone: Generate random waveforms and save them via batch to file.
dalor - Tue May 15, 2012 12:09 pm
It would be great to have a spectrum-meter strip on top or underneath which displays the harmonic range the waveform.
It only updates when changes to the waveform are made, realtime would be nice to have but not necessary. For example a perfect sine curve should have a mark in the front of the spectrum-meter, a noisy waveform should have marks all over the place.
ChiTown24 - Tue May 15, 2012 12:14 pm
confirming that Alchemy uses .raw for importing cycles as OSCs and LFOs
likewise Absynth for LFO and OSC uses the .gly format
George - Tue May 15, 2012 12:18 pm
You can use WAV as OSC waveform with Discovery Pro. Only requirement is loop points with minimum size of 128 samples. Take that as a feature request
DNR Collaborative - Tue May 15, 2012 12:27 pm
ChiTown24 wrote:
formats to work with;;
Alchemy already mentioned
Cakewalk Rapture (i think it uses plain .wavs?)
Vember Audio Surge
up to 1024
file extension .WT (or .wav for windows users)
FAW Circle
2048 (not sure if its fixed length)
file extension .WDF
would be great to be able to import/export from the various wavecycle/table formats.
decent batch operation of any import/export functions would be great
customizable naming conventions for output files
(so i could export for example 3 octaves of individual wavecycles named by note, or number, with perhaps a custom prefix or two)
ability to output (collections of) wavecycles as soundfonts too
ability to import an audio file of any length, and have the application automatically/randomly select a designated number of wavecycles
ability to import an audio file of any length and scrub through it with a fixed window size of 2048 or 1024 etc to find desirable wavecycles
will post more ideas later
and osx compatibility of course!
Alchemy already mentioned
Cakewalk Rapture (i think it uses plain .wavs?)
Vember Audio Surge
up to 1024
file extension .WT (or .wav for windows users)
FAW Circle
2048 (not sure if its fixed length)
file extension .WDF
would be great to be able to import/export from the various wavecycle/table formats.
decent batch operation of any import/export functions would be great
customizable naming conventions for output files
(so i could export for example 3 octaves of individual wavecycles named by note, or number, with perhaps a custom prefix or two)
ability to output (collections of) wavecycles as soundfonts too
ability to import an audio file of any length, and have the application automatically/randomly select a designated number of wavecycles
ability to import an audio file of any length and scrub through it with a fixed window size of 2048 or 1024 etc to find desirable wavecycles
will post more ideas later
and osx compatibility of course!
Wow, thanks for the suggestions
ChiTown24 wrote:
U-He Zebra
2048 (if im not mistaken it creates a wavetable a size of 16 cycles with a length of 128 samples each adding up to a total of 2048, or is it a wavtable of 8 cycles of 128 adding up to 1024 ?)
file extension .h2p
2048 (if im not mistaken it creates a wavetable a size of 16 cycles with a length of 128 samples each adding up to a total of 2048, or is it a wavtable of 8 cycles of 128 adding up to 1024 ?)
file extension .h2p
I don't know if this will be added though, as we have sent e-mails to Urs with no response, so for now it will have to wait until a later version.
Steven
BDeep - Tue May 15, 2012 12:46 pm
Wow! This is excellent! Been wanting something like this for use with FAW Circle. They provide an importer tool, so being able to export it in their native format is nice, but not nessescaraly. Tried loading some Galbanum demo wavecycles though and some didn't translate well to the synth (as in: it appeared as a square, but the original definitely wasn't).
I presume this will be available for OS X as well?
Since you're open to suggestions:
Being able to import and modify exsisting waves
A manual in which different "classes" of waveforms are explained with their formulas, and how elements of this formula affect the waveform. Would be extremely useful for a dummy like myself (then again, maybe you don't make this tool for dummy's
Anyway, looking forward to it!
DNR Collaborative - Tue May 15, 2012 12:47 pm
PietW. wrote:
Alchemy needs the RAW-Format or Wav files with at least 20 periodic passages. Alchemy can not import a single cycle waves.
We found the info for proper converting to Alchemy's WaveOsc and WaveLFO formats on the Camel Audio page
Thank you for the info!
Wildfunk wrote:
Is it a plugin or a standalone tool? If standalone: Generate random waveforms and save them via batch to file.
It's a VSTi instrument, but I believe it is possible to do this anyways
dalor wrote:
It would be great to have a spectrum-meter strip on top or underneath which displays the harmonic range the waveform.
It only updates when changes to the waveform are made, realtime would be nice to have but not necessary. For example a perfect sine curve should have a mark in the front of the spectrum-meter, a noisy waveform should have marks all over the place.
It only updates when changes to the waveform are made, realtime would be nice to have but not necessary. For example a perfect sine curve should have a mark in the front of the spectrum-meter, a noisy waveform should have marks all over the place.
Noted
ChiTown24 wrote:
confirming that Alchemy uses .raw for importing cycles as OSCs and LFOs
likewise Absynth for LFO and OSC uses the .gly format
likewise Absynth for LFO and OSC uses the .gly format
Thanks for the info, I did not know anything about Absynth at all
george wrote:
You can use WAV as OSC waveform with Discovery Pro. Only requirement is loop points with minimum size of 128 samples. Take that as a feature request
Great, thanks for the information George
Steven
toitoi - Tue May 15, 2012 12:58 pm
Single OCS formats:
Big Tick Rhino
Imageline's Harmor
ImageLine Toxic
Kv331audio SynthMaster
jowen - Tue May 15, 2012 1:13 pm
old but usefull, did you know this:
Rndwave! 1.2 - 16/24-bit Wave Shape Generator
You can get it here, a little down the page:
http://homepage.ntlworld.com/jez.price/effects.htm
found it on the numerology five12 page
with some free waveforms also.
jowen
DNR Collaborative - Tue May 15, 2012 1:25 pm
jowen wrote:
old but usefull, did you know this:
Rndwave! 1.2 - 16/24-bit Wave Shape Generator
Rndwave! 1.2 - 16/24-bit Wave Shape Generator
I personally did not know about this particular application, but I'm sure it has already been taken into consideration by those creating the software during the research process prior to development. I personally am not familiar enough with the technical details to make much of a distinction myself
Steven
DNR Collaborative - Tue May 15, 2012 1:39 pm
toitoi wrote:
Single OCS formats:
Big Tick Rhino
Imageline's Harmor
ImageLine Toxic
Kv331audio SynthMaster
Big Tick Rhino
Imageline's Harmor
ImageLine Toxic
Kv331audio SynthMaster
Ah, thank you for the information. I'll pass it along and see if we can find out what the differences are
Steven
DNR Collaborative - Tue May 15, 2012 4:31 pm
For those who have suggestions that have already been mentioned, please feel free to post them here anyways. We're going to keep an eye on the responses to get a feel for the most important features that have not been added yet. Thank you for all the great suggestions and responses thus far
Steven
rj0 - Tue May 15, 2012 9:11 pm
Don't know if it's been mentioned:
Gladiator - 256 samples
LeVzi - Tue May 15, 2012 10:00 pm
You can add ElectraX to the list too, maximum of 4096 samples (I think)
kv331 - Wed May 16, 2012 2:24 am
DNR Collaborative wrote:
toitoi wrote:
Single OCS formats:
Big Tick Rhino
Imageline's Harmor
ImageLine Toxic
Kv331audio SynthMaster
Big Tick Rhino
Imageline's Harmor
ImageLine Toxic
Kv331audio SynthMaster
Ah, thank you for the information. I'll pass it along and see if we can find out what the differences are
Steven
FYI: SynthMaster supports multi-single cycles: So you can use different single cycles at different note intervals, similar to multi-samples (SFZ)
audington - Wed May 16, 2012 3:01 am
Would also second the idea for selecting a start and end wave, and then the tool can create a sequence of waveforms that morph between them - very useful!
As for cycle sizes, I'd like 674 samples please (gives you a C note when a 44.1kHz waveform is looped in Renoise)
audington - Wed May 16, 2012 3:08 am
george wrote:
You can use WAV as OSC waveform with Discovery Pro. Only requirement is loop points with minimum size of 128 samples. Take that as a feature request
Yes please! I'd use that!
DNR Collaborative - Wed May 16, 2012 3:43 am
rj0 wrote:
Don't know if it's been mentioned:
Gladiator - 256 samples
Gladiator - 256 samples
Gotcha, thanks for the suggestion
LeVzi wrote:
You can add ElectraX to the list too, maximum of 4096 samples (I think)
Another vote for ElectraX
kv331 wrote:
FYI: SynthMaster supports multi-single cycles: So you can use different single cycles at different note intervals, similar to multi-samples (SFZ)
We'll keep that in mind, thanks
audington wrote:
Would also second the idea for selecting a start and end wave, and then the tool can create a sequence of waveforms that morph between them - very useful!
As for cycle sizes, I'd like 674 samples please (gives you a C note when a 44.1kHz waveform is looped in Renoise)
As for cycle sizes, I'd like 674 samples please (gives you a C note when a 44.1kHz waveform is looped in Renoise)
The first suggestion is good, but we already have another plug-in design that will *somewhat* utilize that concept in a similar manner
audington wrote:
george wrote:
You can use WAV as OSC waveform with Discovery Pro. Only requirement is loop points with minimum size of 128 samples. Take that as a feature request
Yes please! I'd use that!
Another vote for Discovery, gotcha
Steven
DNR Collaborative - Wed May 16, 2012 4:14 am
One vote for Wusikstation 7 and one for Vember Surge(?) via message. We'll have to do some research on those.
Steven
DNR Collaborative - Wed May 16, 2012 6:05 am
I've now consolidated all feature and format requests to the initial post. Duplcate requests/suggestions will continue to be tallied up
Steven
DNR Collaborative - Wed May 16, 2012 7:47 am
SFZ export added to feature requests
Steven
Ingonator - Wed May 16, 2012 8:08 am
LeVzi wrote:
You can add ElectraX to the list too, maximum of 4096 samples (I think)
I agree, ElectraX would be the main use of the Waveform Creator for me but also for Synthmaster it would be great.
Ingo
DNR Collaborative - Wed May 16, 2012 9:23 am
Ingonator wrote:
LeVzi wrote:
You can add ElectraX to the list too, maximum of 4096 samples (I think)
I agree, ElectraX would be the main use of the Waveform Creator for me but also for Synthmaster it would be great.
Very good, thank you for the feedback
Steven
coincidental - Wed May 16, 2012 9:40 am
Alchemy support sounds great, and any and all sound-mangling tools are welcome. The Z3ta+ waveshaper might be a good place to look for inspiration. SFZ export would be another big plus. Sounds and looks interesting though
DNR Collaborative - Wed May 16, 2012 10:12 am
coincidental wrote:
Alchemy support sounds great, and any and all sound-mangling tools are welcome. The Z3ta+ waveshaper might be a good place to look for inspiration. SFZ export would be another big plus. Sounds and looks interesting though
Thanks for the suggestions and the kind words. Z3ta+ looks interesting, and I'll make sure to pass on the information
Steven
highkoo - Wed May 16, 2012 12:01 pm
OMG...
DNR Collaborative - Wed May 16, 2012 1:50 pm
highkoo wrote:
OMG...
Glad it's of interest to you
Steven
camsr - Wed May 16, 2012 2:02 pm
My feature request,
A drawing grid with option to snap to grid. It doesn't look like that could be a feature with the current UI, but maybe you will consider it
If you have a motivation for this idea, I can help you implement it. highkoo - Wed May 16, 2012 2:08 pm
DNR Collaborative wrote:
highkoo wrote:
OMG...
Glad it's of interest to you
Steven
Oh yes!
The scope of suggestions being considered is really exciting.
The export options being considered, woah!
DNR Collaborative wrote:
ChiTown24 wrote:
U-He Zebra
2048 (if im not mistaken it creates a wavetable a size of 16 cycles with a length of 128 samples each adding up to a total of 2048, or is it a wavtable of 8 cycles of 128 adding up to 1024 ?)
file extension .h2p
2048 (if im not mistaken it creates a wavetable a size of 16 cycles with a length of 128 samples each adding up to a total of 2048, or is it a wavtable of 8 cycles of 128 adding up to 1024 ?)
file extension .h2p
I don't know if this will be added though, as we have sent e-mails to Urs with no response, so for now it will have to wait until a later version.
Steven
Im sure Urs is just busy.
...Right?
I guess this being payware makes it different than other non-U-he projects that could generate "the .h2p", but Id think he would respond. Politely even.
I think he even officially endorses 'blueberry thing' on his page somewhere though.
DNR Collaborative - Wed May 16, 2012 3:11 pm
camsr wrote:
My feature request,
A drawing grid with option to snap to grid. It doesn't look like that could be a feature with the current UI, but maybe you will consider it If you have a motivation for this idea, I can help you implement it.
A drawing grid with option to snap to grid. It doesn't look like that could be a feature with the current UI, but maybe you will consider it
If you have a motivation for this idea, I can help you implement it.I think the snaping to the grid would be good for freeform drawing or the node editing section, and have added it to the feature requests in the initial post
Steven
erickUO - Wed May 16, 2012 6:47 pm
random waveform & vember audio surge
yes
brok landers - Wed May 16, 2012 8:27 pm
a function _i_ am looking for in this great tool would be, that one could to multisamples, where the wave generation is based on lowest and highest note. as an explanation:
some (actually quite a few analog synths) are generation a rather basic waveform (i.e. a pulse), which are then shaped with a series of allpasses, highpasse and/or other filters. these filters are static, and produce the desired waveform not to be the same on each pitch (i.e. solina), but the waveform differs as the pitch goes up. essentially the waveform is _not_ the same on c1 as it is on c6 due to the static filtering.
so i would love to see a possibility to free-form the waveform on c1 and c6 for instance, and then batch render a single cycle series of each note from c1 to c6, essentially morphing from c1 to c6. these then could not only be used to create wavetables, but also be used in samplers as single cycle samples... would actually open a very convenient way to be able to create analog-like waveforms which should sound a lot more like some analog synths. more similar than synths based on wavetables/samples, where the base-wave is just one single cycle of an analog synth (where the problem is, that the waveform is just pitched up like a sample).
that would be a bomb...
brok landers - Wed May 16, 2012 8:33 pm
audington wrote:
Would also second the idea for selecting a start and end wave, and then the tool can create a sequence of waveforms that morph between them - very useful!
As for cycle sizes, I'd like 674 samples please (gives you a C note when a 44.1kHz waveform is looped in Renoise)
As for cycle sizes, I'd like 674 samples please (gives you a C note when a 44.1kHz waveform is looped in Renoise)
i should have read the full thread...
brok landers - Wed May 16, 2012 8:35 pm
oh, btw, kontakt program mapping support would be cool, too...
edit - now that i'm thinking again, kontakt can load soundfonts, so forget it, if you allow to export soundfont format, which i read in post one is on the to do list...
Kriminal - Wed May 16, 2012 10:03 pm
DNR Collaborative wrote:
and then export them to a 2048 sample .wav file for use in software synthesizers which support such a format (Alchemy, Helix, etc). WaveBuilder is probably a
the ability to choose the output size would be good for synths that support other sizes, such as 256
GeorgeZ - Wed May 16, 2012 10:19 pm
Kriminal wrote:
DNR Collaborative wrote:
and then export them to a 2048 sample .wav file for use in software synthesizers which support such a format (Alchemy, Helix, etc). WaveBuilder is probably a
the ability to choose the output size would be good for synths that support other sizes, such as 256
+1
deastman - Wed May 16, 2012 10:22 pm
I would really appreciate the ability to generate 256 sample .HEX files for use with my Harvestman Piston Honda. With the new "super expander" on the way, there will be a lot of people hungry to burn new wavetables, and this program could come in very handy.
PietW. - Thu May 17, 2012 2:32 am
Ingonator wrote:
LeVzi wrote:
You can add ElectraX to the list too, maximum of 4096 samples (I think)
I agree, ElectraX would be the main use of the Waveform Creator for me but also for Synthmaster it would be great.
Ingo
PPG 3.V ?
PietW. - Thu May 17, 2012 2:41 am
LeVzi wrote:
You can add ElectraX to the list too, maximum of 4096 samples (I think)
2048 Samples
Ingonator - Thu May 17, 2012 3:02 am
PietW. wrote:
Ingonator wrote:
LeVzi wrote:
You can add ElectraX to the list too, maximum of 4096 samples (I think)
I agree, ElectraX would be the main use of the Waveform Creator for me but also for Synthmaster it would be great.
Ingo
PPG 3.V ?
Of course, how could i forget that one...
I would also include the Blofeld then.
Ingo
ariston - Thu May 17, 2012 3:21 am
Just now saw this... great idea! Sorry for not having read all of it, but was there an E.T.A. mentioned somewhere? This would be soooo useful!
Lotuzia - Thu May 17, 2012 3:41 am
Looks like a very nice tool for sound design
fmr - Thu May 17, 2012 4:00 am
PietW. wrote:
Ingonator wrote:
LeVzi wrote:
You can add ElectraX to the list too, maximum of 4096 samples (I think)
I agree, ElectraX would be the main use of the Waveform Creator for me but also for Synthmaster it would be great.
Ingo
PPG 3.V ?
I second the PPG, and would also add the Largo. Another request, if possible: Analysis and resynthesis, e.g. analyse a sample, and extract periodic waveforms to create a wavetable (but this would mean not just one wave, rather a complete wavetable of 16 or 32 waves. This was something that interest me very much. Also, interpolation (we give a start wave and final wave, and the program would create waves that would morph from one to the other, with some controllable variables in the morphing.
Ingonator - Thu May 17, 2012 4:17 am
Lotuzia wrote:
Looks like a very nice tool for sound design
Indeed. Currently i use Cableguys Curve to build my own single cycles (which works nicely) but this looks really promising.
Ingo
highkoo - Thu May 17, 2012 5:02 am
If this thing hits all of those Formats/Features listed in the OP it will be a really significant tool for some people. I will use it every single day.
It was mentioned, but Ive been thinking about it,
If you did figure out a way to 'standardize' a way to generate wavetables in some format that is widely useful, I bet itd be quite friggin popular...
Maybe thats not til a v1.5 or something, but just sales wise, that seems like it would be a very current/trendy selling point, once people figured out what it did.
I am pretty excited about just the format options and regular wav tools that might be possible in this little box, but Im imagining being able to create custom wavs, and then build a custom table, and then simply export a copy in all these formats...
Either way, sure to be a winner. Cant wait.
DNR Collaborative - Thu May 17, 2012 5:07 am
There are quite a few new posts here, but I wanted to reply to the ETA question posted on the previous page before collecting the new suggestions: The ETA very much depends on a number of factors, including what features are added for an initial release, how much interest there is, and the length of time it takes to track down any issues that testers may have. There are a lot of great suggestions here, and I'm sure that it will be a tough decision on which ones to include, but I'll make sure to keep the information coming along as I receive it
Steven
DNR Collaborative - Thu May 17, 2012 6:22 am
deastman wrote:
I would really appreciate the ability to generate 256 sample .HEX files for use with my Harvestman Piston Honda. With the new "super expander" on the way, there will be a lot of people hungry to burn new wavetables, and this program could come in very handy.
I've found a link for the device you mentioned and I will pass the info on. It looks like a rocketship controller to me, so I don't have any idea about the specifics behind the format
PietW. wrote:
PPG 3.V ?
Noted
Ingonator wrote:
I would also include the Blofeld then.
Noted
fmr wrote:
Another request, if possible: Analysis and resynthesis, e.g. analyse a sample, and extract periodic waveforms to create a wavetable (but this would mean not just one wave, rather a complete wavetable of 16 or 32 waves. This was something that interest me very much. Also, interpolation (we give a start wave and final wave, and the program would create waves that would morph from one to the other, with some controllable variables in the morphing.
I've added "Analysis and resynthesis" as the feature request
highkoo wrote:
If this thing hits all of those Formats/Features listed in the OP it will be a really significant tool for some people. I will use it every single day.
It was mentioned, but Ive been thinking about it,
If you did figure out a way to 'standardize' a way to generate wavetables in some format that is widely useful, I bet itd be quite friggin popular...
Maybe thats not til a v1.5 or something, but just sales wise, that seems like it would be a very current/trendy selling point, once people figured out what it did.
I am pretty excited about just the format options and regular wav tools that might be possible in this little box, but Im imagining being able to create custom wavs, and then build a custom table, and then simply export a copy in all these formats...
Either way, sure to be a winner. Cant wait.
Thank you for the feedback - I'm sure it will prove most helpful while determining the development path of the project
Steven
George - Thu May 17, 2012 7:55 am
By the way, it's very easy to make a wave bank compatible with Discovery Pro.
- Place all .WAV files on a folder.
- Zip them.
- Rename .ZIP to .DWB
- Place it at /documents/discoDSP/Discovery Pro/Banks/
Tip: Corona also loads them
So maybe adding a Export to Discovery Pro/Corona DWB bank feature would be great
DNR Collaborative - Thu May 17, 2012 8:36 am
george wrote:
By the way, it's very easy to make a wave bank compatible with Discovery Pro.
...
So maybe adding a Export to Discovery Pro/Corona DWB bank feature would be great
...
So maybe adding a Export to Discovery Pro/Corona DWB bank feature would be great
Noted and added to the initial post. Thanks for the great suggestions
Steven
PietW. - Thu May 17, 2012 8:55 am
george wrote:
By the way, it's very easy to make a wave bank compatible with Discovery Pro.
- Place all .WAV files on a folder.
- Zip them.
- Rename .ZIP to .DWB
- Place it at /documents/discoDSP/Discovery Pro/Banks/
Tip: Corona also loads them
So maybe adding a Export to Discovery Pro/Corona DWB bank feature would be great
- Place all .WAV files on a folder.
- Zip them.
- Rename .ZIP to .DWB
- Place it at /documents/discoDSP/Discovery Pro/Banks/
Tip: Corona also loads them
So maybe adding a Export to Discovery Pro/Corona DWB bank feature would be great
16bit, 44.1khz, Looppoints at Start and End.
George - Thu May 17, 2012 9:01 am
PietW. wrote:
george wrote:
By the way, it's very easy to make a wave bank compatible with Discovery Pro.
- Place all .WAV files on a folder.
- Zip them.
- Rename .ZIP to .DWB
- Place it at /documents/discoDSP/Discovery Pro/Banks/
Tip: Corona also loads them
So maybe adding a Export to Discovery Pro/Corona DWB bank feature would be great
- Place all .WAV files on a folder.
- Zip them.
- Rename .ZIP to .DWB
- Place it at /documents/discoDSP/Discovery Pro/Banks/
Tip: Corona also loads them
So maybe adding a Export to Discovery Pro/Corona DWB bank feature would be great
16bit, 44.1khz, Looppoints at Start and End.
24bit should work too
DNR Collaborative - Thu May 17, 2012 10:23 am
PietW. wrote:
16bit, 44.1khz, Looppoints at Start and End.
george wrote:
24bit should work too
Thank you both for the information, I'm sure this will all be very helpful to us
Steven
DNR Collaborative - Thu May 17, 2012 12:28 pm
I mentioned this previously and I think the question was lost in the first few pages of quick responses - there hasn't been a single mention about the UI as of yet, which I take to be a good thing
I don't know how much it will change initially, but comments and suggestions on the UI/ergonomics of the application's layout are more than welcome.
Steven
DNR Collaborative - Thu May 17, 2012 1:58 pm
highkoo wrote:
Im sure Urs is just busy.
...Right?
I guess this being payware makes it different than other non-U-he projects that could generate "the .h2p", but Id think he would respond. Politely even.
I think he even officially endorses 'blueberry thing' on his page somewhere though.
...Right?
I guess this being payware makes it different than other non-U-he projects that could generate "the .h2p", but Id think he would respond. Politely even.
I think he even officially endorses 'blueberry thing' on his page somewhere though.
Well, I've posted a message in the U-He forum, and from the response, I unfortunately I don't think Zebra will be a format that will be included. Since I'm not the developer, I cannot say for sure, but I'll pass the response I received along and we'll see what happens.
Steven
dalor - Thu May 17, 2012 2:57 pm
Just out of curiosity, will this tool be able to import *and* export all the formats mentioned in this forum?
Personally I'd love to see support for .wt (Vermberaudio Surge) files!
Maybe 2 more suggestions:
1) Additional 'Spectral' mode to create a waveform. While drawing in the spectral view the waveform view would built up the waveform.
2) The waveform-view could have a padding at the front and end and repeats itself to visually see transitions on how the waveform cycles seamlessly to avoid drawing hard 'clicks' at the front or end of the waveform. Maybe the first and last point in the waveform are linked to avoid this and can be unlinked if wanted.
toitoi - Thu May 17, 2012 3:26 pm
more formats
SQ80 Waveforms
Elektron Monomachine
DNR Collaborative - Thu May 17, 2012 5:53 pm
dalor wrote:
Just out of curiosity, will this tool be able to import *and* export all the formats mentioned in this forum?
Personally I'd love to see support for .wt (Vermberaudio Surge) files!
Personally I'd love to see support for .wt (Vermberaudio Surge) files!
Well, I honestly cannot say for sure what the final plan would be right now. We have a good working VST version that is prgressing well, and the amount of great feedback here is presenting a lot of new possibilities with this concept, so I'll have to wait for one of the developers to comment on the possible v1.0 release features
dalor wrote:
Maybe 2 more suggestions:
1) Additional 'Spectral' mode to create a waveform. While drawing in the spectral view the waveform view would built up the waveform.
1) Additional 'Spectral' mode to create a waveform. While drawing in the spectral view the waveform view would built up the waveform.
Added to front page, thanks for the suggestions
dalor wrote:
2) The waveform-view could have a padding at the front and end and repeats itself to visually see transitions on how the waveform cycles seamlessly to avoid drawing hard 'clicks' at the front or end of the waveform. Maybe the first and last point in the waveform are linked to avoid this and can be unlinked if wanted.
If I understand you correctly, and from what I've read so far, this is actually *basically* the plan if "freeform" drawing is included. The node editing portion should not suffer from that problem, and should be easier to avoid.
toitoi wrote:
more formats
SQ80 Waveforms
Elektron Monomachine
SQ80 Waveforms
Elektron Monomachine
Added to front page, thanks for the suggestions
Steven
dalor - Thu May 17, 2012 6:15 pm
Thanks for adding my previous suggestions
While I'm at it (LOL), maybe have 'four' views, in which three can be edited in realtime:
-1 Forumla: Displays an input field for formula and displays a waveform based on the calculated formula
-2 Freeform: A waveform view in which curves can be edited freely
-3 Harmonic Spectrum: For adding specifically haromic content (e.g. perfect sines for bass or adding overtones (e.g. typical organ sounds))
-4 FINAL: Displays the final waveform by adding all of these three components above.
deastman - Thu May 17, 2012 10:16 pm
DNR Collaborative wrote:
deastman wrote:
I would really appreciate the ability to generate 256 sample .HEX files for use with my Harvestman Piston Honda. With the new "super expander" on the way, there will be a lot of people hungry to burn new wavetables, and this program could come in very handy.
I've found a link for the device you mentioned and I will pass the info on. It looks like a rocketship controller to me, so I don't have any idea about the specifics behind the format
highkoo - Fri May 18, 2012 5:26 am
Oh shit I just realized how awesome this will be as a plugin.
Man, this is great.
The UI looks ok. No complaints there. There is some bits of wasted space, but it is clean and simple and thats good. How big is it?
Import of all formats would be super damn cool, but having the list of options there is maybe not as important as on the export, imo anyway.
I can see where a commercial endeavor makes it trickier to incorporate other devs toys. But, any dev approached about it should see it as an added feature for the enthusiasts. Check out the threads that happened in response to the home made tools that were cooked up for Zeb. Considering how nerdy this is I thought it was a pretty good response.
If your plug is kicking out a format specific to a certain synth, that synth becomes a little more attractive to certain weirdos.
Thats worth something?
Maybe not.
Like, Elektron Monomachine, Surge, Helix, Electrax...
I havent played with any of those, but if this thing is going to just click off wavs for them. I will definitely try them out, and likely want to have em handy.
DNR Collaborative - Fri May 18, 2012 6:36 am
dalor wrote:
While I'm at it (LOL), maybe have 'four' views, in which three can be edited in realtime:
-1 Forumla: Displays an input field for formula and displays a waveform based on the calculated formula
-2 Freeform: A waveform view in which curves can be edited freely
-3 Harmonic Spectrum: For adding specifically haromic content (e.g. perfect sines for bass or adding overtones (e.g. typical organ sounds))
-4 FINAL: Displays the final waveform by adding all of these three components above.
-1 Forumla: Displays an input field for formula and displays a waveform based on the calculated formula
-2 Freeform: A waveform view in which curves can be edited freely
-3 Harmonic Spectrum: For adding specifically haromic content (e.g. perfect sines for bass or adding overtones (e.g. typical organ sounds))
-4 FINAL: Displays the final waveform by adding all of these three components above.
Since I'm not sure how to sum it up in just a few words in the feature request section of the initial post, I think what I'm going to do is add a link to each feature request to the post where it is specified so that the developers can quickly find the description. Thanks again for you suggestions
deastman wrote:
A rocketsip controller... hilarious! Writing to a .HEX format is less important than being able to generate 256 sample waves. There are other tools for translating to the appropriate file format.
At first I thought we were talking about a foreign car model
Yes, I think having a 'custom' format where one could specify the amount of samples in the cycle would be a good idea to compensate for the formats that are more obscure.
Steven
DNR Collaborative - Fri May 18, 2012 7:31 am
highkoo wrote:
The UI looks ok. No complaints there. There is some bits of wasted space, but it is clean and simple and thats good. How big is it?
Considering the interest and response thus far, I think it is all going to depend on how much can be added to the initial version. I do believe the size of the interface won't change, but the layout of the elements and options may very well. I'll add new versions of the UI as we go so that people can view the changes.
highkoo wrote:
Import of all formats would be super damn cool, but having the list of options there is maybe not as important as on the export, imo anyway.
Yes, I think the exporting options are the primary focus as of now, but having additional importing options would certainly make it even more useful and unique, which is the goal
Steven
DNR Collaborative - Fri May 18, 2012 11:07 am
We've published an official project page for WaveBuilder on the DNR website:
WaveBuilder Project Page
Suggestions, feature requests and suggested format inclusion is available from the page, as well as current screenshots and other important information and plans.
Steven
Bronto Scorpio - Fri May 18, 2012 11:11 am
The seems like a really useful tool
Zebra support would be really, really amazing!
Cheers
Dennis
Nielzie - Fri May 18, 2012 11:20 am
I'm definately very interested in this. Might be very useful indeed
Who's coding this thing, it's not Reason is it?
DNR Collaborative - Fri May 18, 2012 11:40 am
Bronto Scorpio wrote:
The seems like a really useful tool
Zebra support would be really, really amazing!
Zebra support would be really, really amazing!
I've already posted about it in the U-He forum, but I only got information about currently available applications that do convert to Zebra's format. I believe Reason sent a message to Urs but I haven't heard back on that as of yet, so we'll see.
Nielzie wrote:
I'm definately very interested in this. Might be very useful indeed
Who's coding this thing, it's not Reason is it?
Who's coding this thing, it's not Reason is it?
It is indeed Reason's design/concept, but no, the code is being done by a mystery developer
Steven
PietW. - Fri May 18, 2012 12:05 pm
DNR Collaborative wrote:
Bronto Scorpio wrote:
The seems like a really useful tool
Zebra support would be really, really amazing!
Zebra support would be really, really amazing!
I've already posted about it in the U-He forum, but I only got information about currently available applications that do convert to Zebra's format. I believe Reason sent a message to Urs but I haven't heard back on that as of yet, so we'll see.
Nielzie wrote:
I'm definately very interested in this. Might be very useful indeed
Who's coding this thing, it's not Reason is it?
Who's coding this thing, it's not Reason is it?
It is indeed Reason's design/concept, but no, the code is being done by a mystery developer
Steven
Hi Steven,
I think it makes no sense to support the h2p format. I think almost all users have Wave2Zebra.
I'm very excited about your program.
best regards
Piet
highkoo - Fri May 18, 2012 12:24 pm
-1!
VariKusBrainZ - Fri May 18, 2012 12:33 pm
deastman wrote:
I would really appreciate the ability to generate 256 sample .HEX files for use with my Harvestman Piston Honda. With the new "super expander" on the way, there will be a lot of people hungry to burn new wavetables, and this program could come in very handy.
http://www.sonicspot.com/wave256/wave256.html
loads of other 'oldskool' waveform creation apps with downloads available at sonicspot.
I guess we forgot about them with the advent of VST
DNR Collaborative - Fri May 18, 2012 1:15 pm
PietW. wrote:
I think it makes no sense to support the h2p format. I think almost all users have Wave2Zebra.
I'm very excited about your program.
I'm very excited about your program.
Well, essentially the purpose of the application is to take the multiple steps needed in designing and converting waveforms down to a single step. Instead of creating a waveform in one application and then converting in another, the idea is to provide one app that can do it all from one interface easily and without interruption. Hopefully we will hear back from Urs and be able to support Zebra so that multiple steps are not needed
highkoo wrote:
-1!
No worries, we're still working on it
VariKusBrainZ wrote:
http://www.sonicspot.com/wave256/wave256.html
loads of other 'oldskool' waveform creation apps with downloads available at sonicspot.
I guess we forgot about them with the advent of VST
loads of other 'oldskool' waveform creation apps with downloads available at sonicspot.
I guess we forgot about them with the advent of VST
Ah, thanks for the link! I've passed this on as well with the hopes that we can, at some point, integrate these features. It might not be that far fetched at all, actually - we have been contacted by 2 hardware developers looking to provide a distribution of this application with their products, so I imagine it may be a bit more worthwhile to look into it
Steven
Cyforce - Fri May 18, 2012 2:07 pm
Lotuzia wrote:
Looks like a very nice tool for sound design
+1
Great idea, concept and features.
DNR Collaborative - Fri May 18, 2012 3:17 pm
Cyforce wrote:
Lotuzia wrote:
Looks like a very nice tool for sound design
+1
Great idea, concept and features.
Glad it is of interest to you
(love the Pro-Wave 2 demo BTW!)
Steven
Cyforce - Sat May 19, 2012 12:23 am
It's definitively a very cool idea, exactly something like this isn't available so far, and with all this fuctions it looks atm like the perfect tool for designing wavetables.
Kriminal - Sat May 19, 2012 12:30 am
So, can you change the file size or is it fixed?
If its fixed its of no use to me, which is a shame as it looks promising.
DNR Collaborative - Sat May 19, 2012 5:19 am
Kriminal wrote:
So, can you change the file size or is it fixed?
If its fixed its of no use to me, which is a shame as it looks promising.
If its fixed its of no use to me, which is a shame as it looks promising.
Currently, custom sample size support is about the most requested feature so I would say that you will probably see it in the V1 release. The tool isn't complete yet, but I will add more information as I receive it.
Steven
DNR Collaborative - Sat May 19, 2012 12:36 pm
I've received a new version of the interface, which just generally makes the UI more organized and a bit more clean as well:
The name has also been changed to WaveTools. Suggestions and feedback are more than welcome.
Steven
DNR Collaborative - Sat May 19, 2012 6:09 pm
A new 'large' format UI has now been added as well:
Steven
asseca - Sat May 19, 2012 9:40 pm
DNR Collaborative wrote:
One vote for Wusikstation 7 and one for Vember Surge(?) via message. We'll have to do some research on those.
WusikstationV7 will automatically loop and auto-tune a single-cycle waveform if the maximum length of single-cycle waveform < 0.06116 of the waveform's sample rate.
When a single-cycle waveform is looped, WusikstationV7 will auto-tune if the maximum length of single-cycle waveform is < 0.12225 of the waveform's sample rate.
brok landers - Sat May 19, 2012 9:53 pm
DNR Collaborative wrote:
>snip< The name has also been changed to WaveTools. Suggestions and feedback are more than welcome.
Steven
Steven
how about "wavedesigner"? would nail it perfectly, if you ask me...
ariston - Sat May 19, 2012 11:21 pm
Now that's a nice, clean UI. Looks good!
How about just "The Wave"?
Say it with a movie preview announcer's voice: "This summer.... you can try... but you won't outrun... The Wave"... cue Zimmeresque kettle drums and Giacchinoesque brass.
Sorry for getting carried away.
I guess Wavedesigner will do the trick, as Brok said. WavetoolS... wouldn't that mean there's more than one? Kriminal - Sun May 20, 2012 2:13 am
DNR Collaborative wrote:
Kriminal wrote:
So, can you change the file size or is it fixed?
If its fixed its of no use to me, which is a shame as it looks promising.
If its fixed its of no use to me, which is a shame as it looks promising.
Currently, custom sample size support is about the most requested feature so I would say that you will probably see it in the V1 release. The tool isn't complete yet, but I will add more information as I receive it.
Steven
good to know, thanks.