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jontah - Sun May 20, 2012 9:52 am
Hey!
I'm a HUGE electronic music follower since 7 years back and I've been following most of the artists on twitter, facebook, youtube, etc etc. And I've noticed that EVERYONE is moving from either Cubase, Ableton or FL to Logic, why is this?
I keep seing status updates "moving from Cubase to Logic today! Lets see how it works out", etc.
is there any difference? I thought DAW's was just a personal preference, which I've read all over the internet. I've been trying out all of these DAW's and I'm stuck with Logic and Ableton. Thinking of actually switching FROM Logic TO Ableton again.. but when I see all the pro's switchin DAW I'm starting to think there's actually something that IS better with Logic. The question is: What?
Or is it just because they want to do collabs and use the same program? that really shouldn't be any problem though, since they can just bring their laptop with them.. makes no sense to me tbh.
I'm the other way around, I actually think Logic is very unstable and Ableton and Cubase fits my needs better. But I'd like to stick with a DAW that I can work with in the future aswell.. never been doubting about DAWs at all, since I've tried them all and know what fits my needs.. but when all the big artists are changing to logic you gotta ask yourself "Y U NO ABLETON/CUBASE? Y U NEED SWITCH LOGIC?!"
Thanks
ariston - Sun May 20, 2012 10:02 am
You're delusional: all the *real* pros use Reaper.
mcnoone - Sun May 20, 2012 10:11 am
jontah wrote:
Thinking of actually switching FROM Logic TO Ableton again.. but when I see all the pro's switchin DAW I'm starting to think there's actually something that IS better with Logic. The question is: What?
Well I don't know all about the switching over thing, like it's a trend or something.
More people are switching from owning pc's to mac's so, that may cause higher sales of logic.
I have both Live (the lite version though) and Logic8.
I think Logic is better in quite a number of ways, but it might just be my preference as you said.
What I think is better is the samples, included synths, and fx.
I think the piano roll midi editing works better too.
I like Lives synths too, but not as much. You also have to buy them or get the suite, which I won't. I have demoed them though.
Logic simply comes with some of the best plugins available imo.
Farjad - Sun May 20, 2012 10:43 am
@ jontah: Nice Point Bro!!
I Have The Exactly Same Problem ... Well Sort Of
Why Is This Keep Happening ?!!
I'm Really Freaking Out ...
liquidsound - Sun May 20, 2012 10:58 am
Farjad wrote:
@ jontah: Nice Point Bro!!
I Have The Exactly Same Problem ... Well Sort Of
Why Is This Keep Happening ?!!
I'm Really Freaking Out ...
I think it's quite normal. I find myself using mostly two DAWs but just the sheer way of workflow style of Ableton or Orion can sometime squeeze out of you a side mood ready to flourish a new piece of music.
I Have The Exactly Same Problem ... Well Sort Of
Why Is This Keep Happening ?!!
I'm Really Freaking Out ...
Maybe just the workflow is a refreshing thing for those Pros running out of juice here and there.
George - Sun May 20, 2012 12:07 pm
1. Costs 149 EUR.
2. Developed by Apple.
3. 50 GB of content.
4. Simple copy-protection.
5. Very customizable workflow.
6. Good plug-ins out of the box.
7. Huge community.
Those reasons are enough for some
I paid about 400 EUR for Logic 8 some years ago and I can understand why a lot of people are migrating now.
RockNice - Sun May 20, 2012 12:18 pm
The ones that I spoke to say it's because of their plugins as well
I would have to concur that it is a premier DAW I took a sample that
was clearly distorted with white noise and static and cleaned it
totally out of the samp definitely good for mixing and mastering
being as though I haven't moved up to MAC yet but I do have it for
PC though alot of the cats I spoke to at Guitar Center are using
Logic and Ableton.
cryophonik - Sun May 20, 2012 12:19 pm
$199 USD.
Hell, I almost went out and bought a MacBook Pro when that price was announced.
CT - Sun May 20, 2012 12:31 pm
When Logic 9 was being sold for $500, it was already an excellent deal.
Now, for $200, its a no-brainer.
For a price that is equal to or less than what a number of fx plugins or instruments cost standalone, you get a fully functional DAW that includes a fairly good subtractive synth (ES2), a functional drum sampler/synth (Ultrabeat), a sampler with imo a far better sound library than Ableton EIC2 (EXS24), some really good and many fairly good effects, and more besides.
Basically, Logic is a very well-rounded package that probably gives more out of the box than most of its competition, for a lower price.
ghettosynth - Sun May 20, 2012 12:32 pm
george wrote:
1. Costs 149 EUR.
2. Developed by Apple.
3. 50 GB of content.
4. Simple copy-protection.
5. Very customizable workflow.
6. Good plug-ins out of the box.
7. Huge community.
Those reasons are enough for some
I paid about 400 EUR for Logic 8 some years ago and I can understand why a lot of people are migrating now.
2. Developed by Apple.
3. 50 GB of content.
4. Simple copy-protection.
5. Very customizable workflow.
6. Good plug-ins out of the box.
7. Huge community.
Those reasons are enough for some
I paid about 400 EUR for Logic 8 some years ago and I can understand why a lot of people are migrating now.
Out of curiosity, what is the copy protection?
George - Sun May 20, 2012 12:39 pm
Serial number if you purchased the boxed version or linked to your Apple ID thru Mac App Store.
bobbybland - Sun May 20, 2012 12:42 pm
We're using Logic 9, Cubase 6.5, Studio One 2 there's different flavors in each one that make it important enough to have them all for our workflow.
SLiC - Sun May 20, 2012 1:00 pm
No pro moves, they are just tools to get a job done, they probably learn and use multiple platforms.
I have found it just tends to be the kids that for strong bonds with one bit of software or another (and keep moving around rather than learning what they have)
I will happily write in cubase, live, reason, reaper or maschine....all good, all houses for courses. If I had a mac and didn't already own cubase I would buy logic, but I don't see anything in logic that would make someone experianced with cubase move.
Acid Mitch - Sun May 20, 2012 1:19 pm
SLiC wrote:
all good, all houses for courses.
That would be quite a slow race.
SLiC - Sun May 20, 2012 1:28 pm
Acid Mitch wrote:
SLiC wrote:
all good, all houses for courses.
That would be quite a slow race.
pesky iPad auto-predict-correct thing, now of logic could do that for my guitar playing..... UltraJv - Sun May 20, 2012 1:32 pm
Ive heard crap music produced on Mac and PC. The tools you have are the least important thing. Anything with "pro" in it is more about perceived image/self importance rather than anything else.
mellotronaut - Sun May 20, 2012 3:05 pm
george wrote:
1. Costs 149 EUR.
2. Developed by Apple.
3. 50 GB of content.
4. Simple copy-protection.
5. Very customizable workflow.
6. Good plug-ins out of the box.
7. Huge community.
Those reasons are enough for some
I paid about 400 EUR for Logic 8 some years ago and I can understand why a lot of people are migrating now.
2. Developed by Apple.
3. 50 GB of content.
4. Simple copy-protection.
5. Very customizable workflow.
6. Good plug-ins out of the box.
7. Huge community.
Those reasons are enough for some
I paid about 400 EUR for Logic 8 some years ago and I can understand why a lot of people are migrating now.
you nailed it
Acid Mitch - Sun May 20, 2012 3:13 pm
SLiC wrote:
now of logic could do that for my guitar playing.....
I can just imagine the auto predict turning your metal riffs into Rebecca Black or something. Try telling the Booing crowd that's not what you meant to play.
hibidy - Sun May 20, 2012 4:14 pm
george wrote:
1. Costs 149 EUR.
2. Developed by Apple.
3. 50 GB of content.
4. Simple copy-protection.
5. Very customizable workflow.
6. Good plug-ins out of the box.
7. Huge community.*
Those reasons are enough for some
I paid about 400 EUR for Logic 8 some years ago and I can understand why a lot of people are migrating now.
2. Developed by Apple.
3. 50 GB of content.
4. Simple copy-protection.
5. Very customizable workflow.
6. Good plug-ins out of the box.
7. Huge community.*
Those reasons are enough for some
I paid about 400 EUR for Logic 8 some years ago and I can understand why a lot of people are migrating now.
The first highlighted one could easily be taken as a serious negative (I'm being quite serious)
*not if it's the apple board unless things have changed significantly since I had logic. It was HORRIBLE.
That said, if I could be guaranteed that it would actually work I'd probably recommend this if you use mac. It's a deep program with many benefits.
jancivil - Sun May 20, 2012 6:17 pm
hibidy wrote:
george wrote:
1. Costs 149 EUR.
2. Developed by Apple.
I paid about 400 EUR for Logic 8 some years ago and I can understand why a lot of people are migrating now.
2. Developed by Apple.
I paid about 400 EUR for Logic 8 some years ago and I can understand why a lot of people are migrating now.
The first highlighted one could easily be taken as a serious negative (I'm being quite serious)
That said, if I could be guaranteed that it would actually work I'd probably recommend this if you use mac. It's a deep program with many benefits.
braj - Sun May 20, 2012 6:21 pm
I'm a happy PC user, but I would LOVE ttoz's 'toy'! Logic is a fine DAW, my only issue is cost of hardware. It is an awfully high premium. But if you are really a 'Pro' that isn't as much of a concern. I would argue that us amateurs have a harder time justifying expensive Apple hardware than someone that is successfully working and making a living with their gear. It sort of becomes a case of someone arguing that a Toyota pickup is cheaper than a Mac truck
hibidy - Sun May 20, 2012 6:50 pm
jancivil wrote:
hibidy wrote:
george wrote:
1. Costs 149 EUR.
2. Developed by Apple.
I paid about 400 EUR for Logic 8 some years ago and I can understand why a lot of people are migrating now.
2. Developed by Apple.
I paid about 400 EUR for Logic 8 some years ago and I can understand why a lot of people are migrating now.
The first highlighted one could easily be taken as a serious negative (I'm being quite serious)
That said, if I could be guaranteed that it would actually work I'd probably recommend this if you use mac. It's a deep program with many benefits.
I don't know what that means but if it's directed at stuff not working for me, then you are quite mistaken. This computer has been a gold mine of good vibes. Just because coders can't code hosts doesn't mean everything else is a failure.
1-2-Many - Sun May 20, 2012 7:22 pm
jancivil wrote:
I couldn't guarantee anything works for you, there is too much evidence of shit that works mysteriously failing in your hands. I'm being quite serious.
The more of your posts I read the more I'm starting to believe your screenname is meant ironically james0tucson - Sun May 20, 2012 7:36 pm
jontah wrote:
Hey!
And I've noticed that EVERYONE is moving from either Cubase, Ableton or FL to Logic, why is this?
And I've noticed that EVERYONE is moving from either Cubase, Ableton or FL to Logic, why is this?
Pretty sure most pros are working on their projects until their long work day ends and don't spend much time tweeting about how their pro studio is using one consumer-oriented tool over another.
t3toooo - Sun May 20, 2012 9:38 pm
i wonder where the "cons" go?
braj - Sun May 20, 2012 9:41 pm
t3toooo wrote:
i wonder where the "cons" go?
To jail of course!
hibidy - Sun May 20, 2012 10:16 pm
haha!
Na, now they are ruling the world. Actually, it's always been that way.
spaceman - Mon May 21, 2012 1:32 am
I saw three YouTube videos and they were all using Reason.
It's clear to me that everyone is moving to Reason now.
tehlord - Mon May 21, 2012 1:46 am
spaceman wrote:
I saw three YouTube videos and they were all using Reason.
It's clear to me that everyone is moving to Reason now.
It's clear to me that everyone is moving to Reason now.
The obvious answer is why?
T-CM11 - Mon May 21, 2012 1:57 am
jancivil wrote:
Pros are people that make money, that is the real definition of 'pro', short for 'professional'. Per se, it is no guarantee a person is any good. It's a great word for posturing on the internet though, isn't it.
Yep, it's as simple as that.
I'm a pro in my line of work. And the only thing that makes me "good" (or not) at what I do is the results.
b-pole - Mon May 21, 2012 2:08 am
I am using Logic since v8 and I have my third iMac now, never had problems.
pekadan - Mon May 21, 2012 2:30 am
I've also noticed the Logic popularity trend. Don't think it's a trend among professionals necessarily, rather one among the home studio folks. I've seen this trend mostly in the magazines. Cubase used to be something of a standard DAW in the mags, but these days it's always Logic being used for the tutorials (and events like seminars/webinars). Same thing with video tutorials. It's a little bit strange this. I mean, you would've thought the obvious choice of DAW for tutorials would be one that's compatible with both PC and Mac, no?
I actually think Windows Vista plays a part in this. Vista was never a recommended OS for a DAW PC. Either you had to go with very old XP, or choose Mac with OS X instead. An obvious choice for many. This must have been a huge boost for the Logic popularity.
I also think the success of iPad in the music making community has made the Mac (and indirectly Logic) even more popular in the home studios. Most people I know that have an iPad, are also Mac users. I understand why. The iPad/PC connectivity sucks! (I know from experience).
CT - Mon May 21, 2012 2:46 am
Yea, Im sure that all iMacs don't have problems. But my research on the internet, and various discussions with Apple or retailer employees have clearly shown that a large number of aluminium iMacs do/did have problems with their screens. I dont know if the percentage is higher than it should be, but it certainly seems like it is .. a lot higher.
Of course its impossible or extremely difficult to have no failures, and I probably just got unlucky, but this also made me realize that the all-in-one approach is not for me, except with laptops, where there really is no other choice. I don't want to be at the mercy of Apple, or whoever, to the degree Im forced to be, with an all-in-one.
whyterabbyt - Mon May 21, 2012 3:18 am
I seriously doubt if what the OP has noticed actually reflects any genuine major shift in usage at all. When people think they've discovered a pattern, they see more of it.
Quote:
Confirmation bias (also called confirmatory bias, myside bias or verification bias) is a tendency of people to favor information that confirms their beliefs or hypotheses. People display this bias when they gather or remember information selectively, or when they interpret it in a biased way. The effect is stronger for emotionally charged issues and for deeply entrenched beliefs
Meffy - Mon May 21, 2012 4:05 am
Temporary lock while I split off luckystrike's (all too successful) trolling/derailment attempt.
People, nobody is obligated to react to obvious provocations. Letting such nonsense wither on the vine works so much better than disrupting the "discussion" -- the premise of which was severely flawed IMO and so not much better than flamebait in the first place, but a little better.
[edit] Done.
1-2-Many - Mon May 21, 2012 7:48 am
whyterabbyt wrote:
I seriously doubt if what the OP has noticed actually reflects any genuine major shift in usage at all. When people think they've discovered a pattern, they see more of it.
Thanks for that - I didn't know it had a terminology - good read. A while back I put it this way, "The human mind seeks and accepts that which supports its constructs". Quote:
Confirmation bias (also called confirmatory bias, myside bias or verification bias) is a tendency of people to favor information that confirms their beliefs or hypotheses. People display this bias when they gather or remember information selectively, or when they interpret it in a biased way. The effect is stronger for emotionally charged issues and for deeply entrenched beliefs
phazedown - Mon May 21, 2012 11:23 am
I'd love to try Logic out but then there is one fact that holds me back ...
Quote:
my only issue is cost of hardware.
The i7 Windows notebook I configured for 899 turned out to be 2300 as Mac version with exactly the same specs. The price factor is 2,57x
A RAM upgrade from 4GB to 8GB has changed my card by +200.
For that money you can buy 10x 4GB sticks, cmon!
Don't want to start a Mac vs. Win discussion.
But even if Logic is "the best DAW", I find the Mac price tag ridiculous.
Though, once switched you might see more positive points about it than I do.
(I will never discover them
) George - Mon May 21, 2012 11:33 am
@phazedown I don't think you need a 2.300 Mac notebook for Logic
My advice is to search some second hand or refurbished machine. It will still run Logic like a dream. And please never upgrade RAM with Apple. xamido - Mon May 21, 2012 11:43 am
george wrote:
@phazedown I don't think you need a 2.300 Mac notebook for Logic My advice is to search some second hand or refurbished machine. It will still run Logic like a dream. And please never upgrade RAM with Apple.
My advice is to search some second hand or refurbished machine. It will still run Logic like a dream. And please never upgrade RAM with Apple.Why? Price or performance issue?
highkoo - Mon May 21, 2012 11:43 am
They are mostly moving to FL, and lying.
edit:
Its $199....?
Well, there ya go. wtf.
Big mystery solved.
deathwish - Mon May 21, 2012 12:00 pm
highkoo wrote:
They are mostly moving to FL, and lying.
edit:
Its $199....?
Well, there ya go. wtf.
Big mystery solved.
edit:
Its $199....?
Well, there ya go. wtf.
Big mystery solved.
If people aren't leaving FL in droves I'd be surprised.
George - Mon May 21, 2012 12:15 pm
xamido wrote:
george wrote:
@phazedown I don't think you need a 2.300 Mac notebook for Logic My advice is to search some second hand or refurbished machine. It will still run Logic like a dream. And please never upgrade RAM with Apple.
My advice is to search some second hand or refurbished machine. It will still run Logic like a dream. And please never upgrade RAM with Apple.Why? Price or performance issue?
Because even a Core 2 Duo machine will run Logic perfectly. Make sure to get 8 GB RAM.
Ashe37 - Mon May 21, 2012 12:16 pm
jontah wrote:
but when all the big artists are changing to logic you gotta ask yourself "Y U NO ABLETON/CUBASE? Y U NEED SWITCH LOGIC?!"
Thanks
Thanks
Because they are oblivious to the very real possibility of Apple screwing them over just like they did Shake and Final Cut owners.
hibidy - Mon May 21, 2012 12:27 pm
I'm not sure we are going to see any substantial updates in the daw market from apple.
5Lives - Mon May 21, 2012 1:24 pm
Not a surprise - Logic has some handy features for electronic music production especially. Region loops, bounce in place, great included effects, loops, and instruments, very good CPU efficiency, good MIDI editing functionality, etc. Although recently, I've noticed more people are trying out Ableton Live (Fred Falke, Morgan Page).
Many recently successful hip hop producers seem to favor FL Studio. Most non-electronic music producers like Pro Tools or Cubase. Post-production is mainly done using Pro Tools.
But anyway, totally depends on the "pro". The tool isn't what makes them a "pro".
Ah_Dziz - Mon May 21, 2012 6:26 pm
If I owned a Mac I would buy a copy of Logic just because of it's insanely low price despite being a loyal cubase user since VST 32. The bundled plugins with logic have always been way ahead of the curve and you can do some really nifty stuff with their "environment" setup. I still probably wouldn't switch but it would be fun to have around. I bought Reaper for the same reason. Sometimes it's fun to switch it up for a couple of sessions. Also my reaper license has been extremely handy on a couple of location gigs when I left my handy syncrosoft key at home.
careyletendre - Mon May 21, 2012 6:47 pm
phazedown wrote:
The i7 Windows notebook I configured for 899 turned out to be 2300 as Mac version with exactly the same specs. The price factor is 2,57x
They are not even close to being made the same. Quality of construction favours apple.
phazedown wrote:
Don't want to start a Mac vs. Win discussion.
But even if Logic is "the best DAW", I find the Mac price tag ridiculous.
But even if Logic is "the best DAW", I find the Mac price tag ridiculous.
In what way are you not starting a MAc vs PC discussion.
Carey
careyletendre - Mon May 21, 2012 6:48 pm
[quote="careyletendre"]
phazedown wrote:
The i7 Windows notebook I configured for 899 turned out to be 2300 as Mac version with exactly the same specs. The price factor is 2,57x
They are not even close to being made the same. Quality of construction favours apple. Price point favours PC.
phazedown wrote:
Don't want to start a Mac vs. Win discussion.
But even if Logic is "the best DAW", I find the Mac price tag ridiculous.
But even if Logic is "the best DAW", I find the Mac price tag ridiculous.
In what way are you not starting a MAc vs PC discussion?
Carey
mcnoone - Mon May 21, 2012 7:07 pm
I don't like logic.
It interferes too much with imagination.
Logic is also based on assumptions anyway, so what's the difference.
There are no rascally rabbits in wonderland, in logic either.
hibidy - Mon May 21, 2012 7:51 pm
I see we have yet another episod of "FAIL".
LawrenceF - Mon May 21, 2012 7:57 pm
hibidy wrote:
I see we have yet another episod of "FAIL".
Vote "fish".
hibidy - Mon May 21, 2012 7:59 pm
LawrenceF - Mon May 21, 2012 8:03 pm
"We are adding some new features and improvements to the software that we didn't originally plan for the 1.0 release and the public beta has been delayed longer than we originally planned because of this. Thanks for being patient! We're working as hard as we can to get the beta out as soon as we can!"
Keep hope alive!
hibidy - Mon May 21, 2012 8:05 pm
Yeah, but you got your copy
luckystrike - Mon May 21, 2012 8:31 pm
CT wrote:
Yea, Im sure that all iMacs don't have problems. But my research on the internet, and various discussions with Apple or retailer employees have clearly shown that a large number of aluminium iMacs do/did have problems with their screens. I dont know if the percentage is higher than it should be, but it certainly seems like it is .. a lot higher.
Yes, I tried to mention this but this is musician's forum so I thought it wouldn't matter for them. iMac's displays have unacceptable yellow tint for its price tag, many people have claimed and get replaced but didn't work. That's why it isn't welcomed by photographers. By the way, these people are using Eizo's displays. I hope this post doesn't have any obvious provocations.
Meffy - Tue May 22, 2012 4:21 am
luckystrike wrote:
CT wrote:
Yea, Im sure that all iMacs don't have problems. But my research on the internet, and various discussions with Apple or retailer employees have clearly shown that a large number of aluminium iMacs do/did have problems with their screens. I dont know if the percentage is higher than it should be, but it certainly seems like it is .. a lot higher.
Yes, I tried to mention this but this is musician's forum so I thought it wouldn't matter for them. iMac's displays have unacceptable yellow tint for its price tag, many people have claimed and get replaced but didn't work. That's why it isn't welcomed by photographers. By the way, these people are using Eizo's displays. I hope this post doesn't have any obvious provocations.
Ben, the guy who runs this place wrote:
What isn't KVR?
There are many things that KVR isn't but in particular the following aren't welcome:
KVR isn't a place for obtaining or discussing warez, cracks, porn, politics, etc.
Flames/Stupid arguments.
Elite-ness/Egos/One-upmanship/Penis comparison/Parent fights/etc.
Format wars (Please )/Host wars (Come on, try now )/Platform wars (Leave it Darren, it's not worth it ).
KVR isn't a free for all democracy where you can say what you like about who you like, respect one another and they will respect you.
There are many things that KVR isn't but in particular the following aren't welcome:
KVR isn't a place for obtaining or discussing warez, cracks, porn, politics, etc.
Flames/Stupid arguments.
Elite-ness/Egos/One-upmanship/Penis comparison/Parent fights/etc.
Format wars (Please )/Host wars (Come on, try now )/Platform wars (Leave it Darren, it's not worth it ).
KVR isn't a free for all democracy where you can say what you like about who you like, respect one another and they will respect you.
trimph1 - Tue May 22, 2012 4:35 am
Oh goody....
Can we actually think difference without hierarchy here?
Try to imagine that possibility to think OTHER than hierarchy..it can be done you know.
whyterabbyt - Tue May 22, 2012 4:48 am
trimph1 wrote:
Oh goody....
Can we actually think difference without hierarchy here?
Try to imagine that possibility to think OTHER than hierarchy..it can be done you know.
Can we actually think difference without hierarchy here?
Try to imagine that possibility to think OTHER than hierarchy..it can be done you know.
my differences are better than yours.
Arglebargle - Tue May 22, 2012 4:49 am
I'd like to try Logic, but there's no demo, right?
George - Tue May 22, 2012 4:59 am
No demo, but YouTube should be enough.
munchkin - Tue May 22, 2012 8:03 am
Meffy wrote:
Elite-ness/Egos/One-upmanship/Penis comparison/Parent fights/etc.
Pardon me for challenging a mod
but isn't that exactly what the topic of this thread is implying. Unless "pros" stands for people who sells sex.
If someone posted a thread claiming that all the "pros" use Reaper (which they do or bloody well ought to) then that might be construed as either blatant meat puppetry or irrefutable fact.
Meffy - Tue May 22, 2012 8:16 am
By all means challenge; I'm no less fallible than anyone else.
As I said before, the thread itself is pretty much flawed right from the get-go. I won't be too surprised if it ends up having to be locked anyway. However, there's been some actual discussion and I'm loath to put a stop to that unless/until necessary.
munchkin - Tue May 22, 2012 8:36 am
Meffy wrote:
By all means challenge; I'm no less fallible than anyone else.
As I said before, the thread itself is pretty much flawed right from the get-go. I won't be too surprised if it ends up having to be locked anyway. However, there's been some actual discussion and I'm loath to put a stop to that unless/until necessary.
As I said before, the thread itself is pretty much flawed right from the get-go. I won't be too surprised if it ends up having to be locked anyway. However, there's been some actual discussion and I'm loath to put a stop to that unless/until necessary.
I'm just razzing.
On a Mac what does a semi-pro use?
(I used the word "semi".
) UltraJv - Tue May 22, 2012 9:51 am
munchkin wrote:
Meffy wrote:
By all means challenge; I'm no less fallible than anyone else.
As I said before, the thread itself is pretty much flawed right from the get-go. I won't be too surprised if it ends up having to be locked anyway. However, there's been some actual discussion and I'm loath to put a stop to that unless/until necessary.
As I said before, the thread itself is pretty much flawed right from the get-go. I won't be too surprised if it ends up having to be locked anyway. However, there's been some actual discussion and I'm loath to put a stop to that unless/until necessary.
I'm just razzing.
On a Mac what does a semi-pro use?
(I used the word "semi".
)Didnt you realise - the mere purchase of a Mac product embues the owner with pro status regardless of talent
munchkin - Tue May 22, 2012 10:45 am
UltraJv wrote:
munchkin wrote:
Meffy wrote:
By all means challenge; I'm no less fallible than anyone else.
As I said before, the thread itself is pretty much flawed right from the get-go. I won't be too surprised if it ends up having to be locked anyway. However, there's been some actual discussion and I'm loath to put a stop to that unless/until necessary.
As I said before, the thread itself is pretty much flawed right from the get-go. I won't be too surprised if it ends up having to be locked anyway. However, there's been some actual discussion and I'm loath to put a stop to that unless/until necessary.
I'm just razzing.
On a Mac what does a semi-pro use?
(I used the word "semi".
)Didnt you realise - the mere purchase of a Mac product embues the owner with pro status regardless of talent
As a mere PC grunt my world view is so limited I just look through the window of the local Apple store and i-Magine...
ouroboros - Tue May 22, 2012 11:00 am
Jace-BeOS - Tue May 22, 2012 11:05 am
It is kinda hard not to make a comment pro/against certain platforms my own self
LawrenceF - Tue May 22, 2012 11:35 am
Quote:
Elite-ness/Egos/One-upmanship/Penis comparison...
Quote:
"Vote Fish Penis" - Often touted as the most popular of all campaign slogans, and at the very least, the most memorable. The slogan - first used in Ronald Reagan's 1980 bid for the White House - not only let the politician connect with the everyday United States citizen, but also helped bring the country together once again.
George - Tue May 22, 2012 11:41 am
Enjoy your derail...
LawrenceF - Tue May 22, 2012 12:09 pm
george wrote:
Enjoy your derail...
I didn't intend to derail this (if there is an actual rail here?), I was only trying to inject some levity, lighten the mood a bit.
Sorry. Please carry on.
hibidy - Tue May 22, 2012 12:13 pm
ooops, I have no idea what I did........sorry
George - Tue May 22, 2012 12:29 pm
LawrenceF wrote:
I didn't intend to derail this (if there is an actual rail here?), I was only trying to inject some levity, lighten the mood a bit.
It wasn't aimed at you, just the overall thread direction that was going to yet another Mac flaming.
Jace-BeOS - Tue May 22, 2012 12:37 pm
Shhh! Don't remind anyone to return to the platform wars!
hibidy - Tue May 22, 2012 12:46 pm
It's my fault. I saw the "it's made by apple" and took it as snooty. Again, my apologies. So how about we move on?
elxsound - Tue May 22, 2012 12:52 pm
How about this for moving on...
Considering price is a major factor for moving to Logic....
Bestbuy.com (as of 5 minutes ago) has $100 apple gift cards (digital delivery) for $80 each. This is basically the only way to save money on an *Apple* App Store purchase.
I purchased Final Cut Pro X this way, so you can buy more than one, but it will have to be at separate checkouts (in other words... one at a time).
hibidy - Tue May 22, 2012 12:55 pm
So you can buy 2 100 cards for 160 bucks and get logic? Or am I misunderstanding.
munchkin - Tue May 22, 2012 12:57 pm
george wrote:
Enjoy your derail...
This thread established a few things early on such as Logic's relatively low price and a few feature lists. Apart from the incredibly leading title that wouldn't shame Fox News and is akin to the tobacco lobby leading with, "more celebrities smoking", what evidence does it contribute that pros are switching to Logic?
hibidy - Tue May 22, 2012 1:00 pm
Well that didn't last long.
Munchkin, read my post
George - Tue May 22, 2012 1:01 pm
hibidy wrote:
So you can buy 2 100 cards for 160 bucks and get logic? Or am I misunderstanding.
Yes, actually it would be enough with one 100 EUR + one 50 EUR card.
elxsound - Tue May 22, 2012 1:03 pm
hibidy wrote:
So you can buy 2 100 cards for 160 bucks and get logic? Or am I misunderstanding.
I know george already answered (in Euros), but to add on...
Yes, 2 $100 cards for $160. Any sales tax would be applied to the full amount ($199).
George - Tue May 22, 2012 1:06 pm
Btw, boxed version still ships for $499 at http://store.apple.com/us/product/MB795Z/A
Apple competing with itself
mandolarian - Tue May 22, 2012 1:09 pm
george wrote:
LawrenceF wrote:
I didn't intend to derail this (if there is an actual rail here?), I was only trying to inject some levity, lighten the mood a bit.
It wasn't aimed at you, just the overall thread direction that was going to yet another Mac flaming.
Macs don't get flamed, they get flambeed. Much classier.
It still remains to be determined if "All" the "Pros" have moved over to "Logic" - Haven't seen the verified data yet, but must assume it's true since it's been stated on an internet forum.
Noticed on another forum that all "Pro" guitarists are moving to the Gibson Les Paul. Seems personal creativity has no place in the new corporate monoculture.
"Think Different - Buy the same"
hibidy - Tue May 22, 2012 1:10 pm
I seem to remember that the DL version is the one for 199. Other than the hassle of DL'ing and storage, that is the only difference, right?
munchkin - Tue May 22, 2012 1:12 pm
hibidy wrote:
Well that didn't last long.
Munchkin, read my post
Munchkin, read my post
Ok, I see it was all hibidy's fault a few posts back.
Sorry, I was bored, there's nothing on TV so I've been very naughty and butted in...
Please continue unmolested...
hibidy - Tue May 22, 2012 1:22 pm
For the hell of it I decided to look up imacs and it seems they still basically come with i5's and 4gb. I'm guessing that stepping up to 8 GB isn't a big but tbh I want more power from the processor.
I can't imagine what ttoz's unit costs here in the states
LawrenceF - Tue May 22, 2012 2:03 pm
hibidy wrote:
For the hell of it I decided to look up imacs and it seems they still basically come with i5's and 4gb. I'm guessing that stepping up to 8 GB isn't a big but tbh I want more power from the processor.
I can't imagine what ttoz's unit costs here in the states
I came really, really close to buying an iMac a couple of times. It's the curse of having a Best Buy credit account with no balance and seeing that beautiful looking thing sitting there for $1200 or something. It was really hard to resist an impulse buy, just to put one in my den or something for basic multimedia stuff.
What got me back on track was remembering that the vast majority of my favorite (and already paid for) software is on PC, and I wasn't looking to buy it all again... Vegas, Corel, etc, etc, on OSX.
Anyway, love my white MacBook, and I never even boot to OSX on it anymore. Easily the most reliable laptop I've ever owned... well, at least since a Sony Vaio I had awile back, that thing never gave me any issues, it too was a bit more than most.
hibidy - Tue May 22, 2012 2:23 pm
Yeah, the thing is I went through all that back in the day and don't want to be stuck. If there was a way to throw on logic/studio one and do the testing myself......can't trust others opinions though. I've heard people say "I have a commadore 64 with 1mb ram and I can run 40 instances of omnishpere"
elxsound - Tue May 22, 2012 2:24 pm
hibidy wrote:
For the hell of it I decided to look up imacs and it seems they still basically come with i5's and 4gb. I'm guessing that stepping up to 8 GB isn't a big but tbh I want more power from the processor.
I can't imagine what ttoz's unit costs here in the states
You can get one with an i7 and something to consider is that new iMacs will probably be released this summer.
By the way, I just purchased Logic using two $100 gift cards purchased at best buy ($80 each today). This is not about switching, but rather I needed an easy way to export audio from Final Cut. It was this or a ProTools upgrade, which I just don't want to do because Avid's pricing just pisses me off.
hibidy - Tue May 22, 2012 2:29 pm
Oh no doubt.
I'd be curious to get a stock imac, load the proper ram and then see what it can do with logic. My fear is that it will be like this one (an i7) and only utilize one core primarily and ignore the rest unless you use that unmentionable illegitimate child of a host
trimph1 - Tue May 22, 2012 2:51 pm
george wrote:
Btw, boxed version still ships for $499 at http://store.apple.com/us/product/MB795Z/A
Apple competing with itself
Apple competing with itself
That is interesting. Wonder how they worked that out...
djanthonyw - Tue May 22, 2012 2:58 pm
jontah wrote:
All "pros" moving over to Logic, why?
Moving over to? They've been using it all along... Jace-BeOS - Tue May 22, 2012 3:06 pm
How do the finances of that work for the sellers? (apple, best buy)
hibidy - Tue May 22, 2012 3:59 pm
djanthonyw wrote:
jontah wrote:
All "pros" moving over to Logic, why?
Moving over to? They've been using it all along...
I'd dare say that PRO's using mac still overwhelmingly use pro tools.
hibidy - Tue May 22, 2012 4:04 pm
Jace-BeOS wrote:
How do the finances of that work for the sellers? (apple, best buy)
I don't understand what that means. You mean how do the finances of the boxed version work vs the download?
LawrenceF - Tue May 22, 2012 4:09 pm
I think he's wondering what kind of retail cut Best Buy gets, given that the prices of new Apple computers are pretty well set in stone... not being marked up.
OTOH, at least here where I live, it's probably a good boost for Best Buy foot traffic because the nearest actual Apple Store is like 30 miles away, and there's not a whole lot of them around... and Best Buy's are all over the place.
Knowing Apple, and knowing how strong that brand is, I doubt if BB is getting a major cut.
mcnoone - Tue May 22, 2012 4:11 pm
Spock uses logic.
Unaspected - Tue May 22, 2012 4:13 pm
I definitely wouldn't say that all professionals are moving over to Logic, though I might assume that most already own a copy or at least know the software well enough to run a live session, edit and mix.
Some people do seem to love Logic and at the end of the day it's passion that drives us to become professionals. So if owning a copy of a certain DAW makes you want to use it every day, you've probably already found the DAW that's right for you.
I honestly can't imagine a studio deciding to move from Pro Tools to Logic though. That makes no sense to me at all. Acquiring Logic in addition to, maybe, but not suddenly deciding to track purely with Logic.
UltraJv - Tue May 22, 2012 4:13 pm
mcnoone wrote:
Spock uses logic.
Yea, he got his though. Had it coming :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cbn-OfIWNNo
mcnoone - Tue May 22, 2012 4:18 pm
Robot uses logic.
Dr. Smith uses reaper.
Penny uses William.
hibidy - Tue May 22, 2012 4:19 pm
LawrenceF wrote:
I think he's wondering what kind of retail cut Best Buy gets, given that the prices of new Apple computers are pretty well set in stone... not being marked up.
OTOH, at least here where I live, it's probably a good boost for Best Buy foot traffic because the nearest actual Apple Store is like 30 miles away, and there's not a whole lot of them around... and Best Buy's are all over the place.
Knowing Apple, and knowing how strong that brand is, I doubt if BB is getting a major cut.
OTOH, at least here where I live, it's probably a good boost for Best Buy foot traffic because the nearest actual Apple Store is like 30 miles away, and there's not a whole lot of them around... and Best Buy's are all over the place.
Knowing Apple, and knowing how strong that brand is, I doubt if BB is getting a major cut.
Yeah, it's more about "we carry apple" than anything else I imagine. I haven't been in a best buy in forever. Last time I was in one it was so loud I wanted to grab a crowbar and swing away. I realize I'm not a youngster anymore but ffs, is there some kinda statistic that says "if you turn everything up really loud people will buy more shit?" Just makes me want to leave.
BTW, by "everything loud" I mean the general music, not the toys on display. Even the front speaker when you walk in are blaring. Since they don't carry music anymore.......what is the point?