KVR :: Effects » The 'free' Steinberg SLM 128 Loudness meter [View Original Topic]
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skitchy - Thu May 24, 2012 11:51 am

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Please tell me if I am doing something monumentally stupid, but this wont even show up in Cubase 5.5
Right now I am assuming that they have locked it to Cubase 6.5 and above - is that the case?
I moved the .vst3 file into my VST3 directory (it installs in a strange place and you cant change the install path), did a rescan etc.

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Cap'n Spanky - Thu May 24, 2012 11:58 am

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Think it's only compatible with 6.5

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bpblog - Thu May 24, 2012 12:13 pm

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requires Cubase 6.5 / Nuendo 5 or higher.

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skitchy - Thu May 24, 2012 1:05 pm

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What do they gain by doing this? What *possible* motivation could they have?
They are giving the plugin away anyway, so why not give it to ALL their loyal customers? I don't get it - is a 'free' loudness meter supposed to make me want to upgrade?
I didn't upgrade to Cubase 6 because frankly I didn't think there was £150 worth of improvements, and a 'free' loudness meter certainly doesn't tip the balance :/ [/rant]

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@midnight - Thu May 24, 2012 3:13 pm

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If you were so loyal you would upgrade from the old version?

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skitchy - Thu May 24, 2012 4:25 pm

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Yes, because 'loyal' and 'wasting money on stuff you don't need' are exactly the same thing

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C-note - Thu May 24, 2012 4:32 pm

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I don't know about that - i.e. the new comping features in 6.5 are pretty cool

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skitchy - Thu May 24, 2012 4:41 pm

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Okay, it wasn't worth it for *me*.
Doesn't change the fact that they are locking out a large portion of their customers from using a 'free' plugin - and I can't understand why.

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Shy - Thu May 24, 2012 4:45 pm

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Sure you can understand, they want more money. They're greedy bastards, it's sad. I don't need any of the new stuff in v6 and it's definitely not a worthy update, they should have called it v5.8. It wouldn't surprise me if someone there actually thinks that plugin is going to push someone to buy the upgrade. That's kind of funny, actually.

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Compyfox - Fri May 25, 2012 2:49 am

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The fact that it's even locked out of Wavelab, where it's the most suitable for, is just a slap in the face.

Steinberg really overdid it this time. I can agree that they only want to support their "newer" hosts, but Nuendo 5.x is elder than Cubase 6.5 - yet it only works there (according to comments at the official board, and the sh'tstorm there).



I still say that the EBU R-128 measurement is not really suitable for music but broadcast only, and even so, there are plenty of alternatives in both freeware, affordable and highly professional applications.

What comes to mind:
- HOFA 4U Meter, Faders and M/S Pan (Win/Mac Freeware)
- Audiocation AC-R128 (Windows Only Freeware)
- ToneBoosters EBULoudness (Win/Mac, 10 EUR)
- Axis Plugins Inspektor (see: K/ITU - R1770 mode, Win/Mac, 79 EUR anually)
- zplane PPMulatorXL (Win/Mac, 100EUR + VAT)
- Nugen Audio VisLM H (Win/Mac, 449 USD - offers even more tools for correction and analysing for EBU R-128)

IIRC, old InspectorXL (RND and Elemental Audio) also had the ITU - R 1770 mode, but version 1 of it.


So, if you do not(!) need a flashy GUI and a crappy VST3 plugin that locks out pretty much all that is available out there - here's a starting point.

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zvenx - Fri May 25, 2012 3:01 am

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and once again proving no good deed goes unpunished..
rsp

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Shy - Fri May 25, 2012 5:30 am

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No, not this time. Steinberg deserves to be "punished" for a "good deed" such as this. Their insulting attitude towards their loyal customers (heck, since the Atari days, even) has gone too far already, and this is just some more icing on top.
Locking this plugin to Nuendo 5 (which is identical to Cubase 5 from the developer's perspective) and Cubase 6 is just low. Owners who didn't want to pay the ridiculous price for an update that should have been within v5.x in the first place, are basically being told "hey, here's just one more thing you can't have, asshole". Yes, that's really how it is. Word you, Steinberg, you should have kept this shit to yourself, indeed.

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losan - Fri May 25, 2012 6:02 am

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So as Steinberg is soooo bad, how come that I got this plugin working in
Cubase 5.5.3 ? .....

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Reverse Engineer - Fri May 25, 2012 6:16 am

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why are you asking how you did something? shouldn't you be posting an answer?

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Shy - Fri May 25, 2012 6:33 am

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Because you also have a Cubase 6 or Nuendo 5 license, that's how come.

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losan - Fri May 25, 2012 6:34 am

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Well, I just got tired here of the bashing, but OK it's KVR after all...

Anyway...
In my case I just installed with the defaults, didn't done something special.
BUT, after currently browsing the Cubase forums, it actually really might
be an issue related to the versions, look here:

http://www.steinberg.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=23114&start=25

Since I also got Cubase 6.5 installed parallel, I didn't seem to be affected.

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VitaminD - Fri May 25, 2012 6:50 am

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Some of you people would complain and moan if you were given cash for free.

'but now ill have to pay taxes on this! thanks A LOT pal!'
or
'paypal!! why cant you just paypal me the funds!!??'

it is surreal! Truly.. It boggles my mind as you want the world to wrap itself around you and it doesn't work that way. Where did you learn that society worked this way?


If your host doesn't support VST3 either upgrade to one that does, request that it support VST3 and be patient, or let it go. Obviously Steinberg wants to push the VST3 format along. It doesn't do that by continually supporting VST2.4 forever.

Besides.. its just a loudness meter.

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Compyfox - Fri May 25, 2012 6:54 am

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I can confirm that SLM does not(!) work in the following Cubase/Wavelab versions.

Wavelab 7.x
Cubase 5.5.2 (32bit)
Cubase 6.0.2 (32bit)

EDIT:
Retried after two reboots, still no showing of the plugin in either version.


If this is only "usable" after updates, then to hell with them. I guess this is what's actually happening here - they installed a certain routine where this plugin can only be used if you have a certain "update".

Maintenance updates, fine with me. But paid ones?


I listed several alternatives for EBU R-128 on page 1. There is no need to go haywire about Steinberg.

Steinberg shoot their own foot yet again. Maybe there is a hatemail coming up as legit, loyal customer since 1994. They didn't even answer my last one yet with FR for Wavelab. And yes, I am on the current version here and funded them more then once until the Mac base stepped in.


This has nothing to do with the VST3 "standard" if it's working like it should (which doesn't9, but for the "push" of the same, Steinberg sure does a lot to piss off a lot of programmers and users.

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chk071 - Fri May 25, 2012 7:23 am

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Is there something misunderstanddable with "New free plugin available for Cubase 6.5 and Nuendo (from version 5)"? And why is Steinberg a money greedy bastard now? Because they release some free stuff for chosen versions of their products? Seriously i don't understand ppl's attitude nowadays... if Cockos was making stuff like that they'd be the biggest heros ever while Steinberg is the biggest arsehole ever now.

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Shy - Fri May 25, 2012 7:29 am

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VitaminD, all that moaning of yours has nothing to do with this topic. In fact, this plugin being just a stupid loudness meter makes it all even more annoying since it shows just how f**ked up Steinberg is nowadays, that they refuse to give their (loyal, yes) customers access even to such a plugin.

Just the fact that having a Cubase 6 license enables you to use it in Cubase 5 (but you didn't know that) should tell you everything you need to know: they're so f**ked up that they try to use it as something to push people to buy the v6 upgrade (which is overpriced and should have been a v5.x anyway).

You don't like my complaint about this? Too bad. I don't like your unrelated complaints and you saying that "some of us people" (who, exactly, and how do you figure?) would complain if we were given cash for free. The difference is that my and other Cubase users' complaint has merit, and there are many who are bitter about Steinberg's shitty practices. Did Steinberg do anything they're "not allowed to do"? Of course not. They can run their shitty business however they see fit. I express my frustration over it since I happen to care about what happens with a company that makes software I depend on. Again, you don't like that? Tough. At least I don't feel any need to tell you that you're basically an ungrateful cheapskate.

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zvenx - Fri May 25, 2012 7:33 am

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so instead of steinberg offering a plug in free to those users of the latest versions of their software.....they either should not have done it at all or done it for all versions?
How about if I am still on Nuendo 2.....should they have accommodated me as well?
rsp

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Shy - Fri May 25, 2012 7:42 am

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More like: instead of Steinerg intentionally disabling a plugin from working in a host of theirs that supports it perfectly, they should not have done that (have a v6 license? Then it magically works in v5.5.3). They have no moral obligation to support very old versions of their software, which could very well just give them headaches they don't care to deal with. They f**ked their users with the v6 update which came far too soon and had far too little to even be considered a milestone version, but that didn't stop them from charging so much for it. Nuendo 3 to Nuendo 5? The list of improvements is huge. Cubase 5 to Cubase 6? Don't make me laugh.

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chk071 - Fri May 25, 2012 7:47 am

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Well why do you buy Steinberg's products then? You're free to go another way. That's the point. Just don't buy their stuff if you're not ok with that.

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Compyfox - Fri May 25, 2012 7:49 am

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A couple of things to note here:
a) on initial release, they said "Cubase 6 and Nuendo 5", a short while later (with complaints at their boards), it was changed to more recent versions)


b) Cubase 6 and 6.5 didn't change drastically in code - dare I even say not at all. Nuendo 5.x is even older than Cubase 6 and uses the same code - yet this plugin is working there, but not in the version I've listed.


c) The plugin is a VST3 plugin. It should work in all available Steinberg hosts that work on VST3. But it does not (see earlier post of mine). I do have the impression that Steinberg once more "locked" their available plugins to their host, like they did with the bundled stuff. Then again, a more clever move would have been "including" the plugin in the maintenance updates.

Then again, since Cubase 6.0.x won't be updated anymore, you're bummed out. Wavelab 7 doesn't get an update in the near future (according to a mail from earlier this week) and Nuendo will pretty much switch to Nuendo 6 soon as well.



There is a sad fact that Steinberg pretty much always stopped support as soon as there was a newer paid version out. It's a thing to debate with the last Cubase update, if the fee was needed and if the included features could have also been put into 6.0.6 sans the VSTi of course. But I think the big S goes the route of AVID now - each update costs, and from these fees, the programmers are paid to cause even more havoc on certain ends.



Personally I'd have checked that plugin out, compare it with what's out there already. But the fact that it's not even usable in either legit Cubase and Wavelab version I have, all with VST3 technology, is a slap in the face.

This is a prime example that VST3 is not(!) the future. It's still full of bugs, restrictive, hard to programm. I'm a beta tester, I catch a lot of things and always it's about VST3.


What Steinberg made good in the last years with Yamaha in terms of marketing, they destroy with every release they do. It's only a matter of time since they're among the last of the "innovation people" again.

For example: I asked them about two weeks ago about HD audio and Blu-Ray audio implementation in Wavelab, or streaming of DTS-HD MAS. THe answer was "there is nothing planned". Wavelab was last in the DVD-A game back in the day, it's now focusing on PODcasts (which die out as well thanks to v-blogging) and ignores newer "blogging" ideas like "Enhanced Blogging" as well.


Something is wrong with that firm. Yet I still use them - why? I'm not in the mood learning something else, and it's still usable. But they could get something right for once! And this plugin does certainly not count to it.

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lotus2035 - Fri May 25, 2012 7:58 am

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I "downgraded" from Cubase 5 to Cubase Studio 5 and don't miss the extra functions at all. Keeping up with the Joneses doesn't equate to fulfilling your needs.

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Shy - Fri May 25, 2012 8:00 am

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Thank you for telling me that no one forces me to buy their products, but I already knew that. Don't decide for me what to buy. I'll also continue to state my opinion about their business practices if I feel like it.

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zvenx - Fri May 25, 2012 8:03 am

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how do you know that?

rsp

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lotus2035 - Fri May 25, 2012 8:06 am

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My DAW Cubase Studio 5 was made by Steinberg and supports VST3 but this plug in doesn't work in it. I don't really care that much but it seems Steinberg are just punishing us evildoers who haven't given them money for the latest upgrades.

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guitartom - Fri May 25, 2012 8:09 am

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works fine in my cubase artist 6.0.7 installation in 32 an 64 bit (which is a free update to Cubase artist 6)

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zvenx - Fri May 25, 2012 8:15 am

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or maybe they are rewarding those that do upgrade to the latest version?
what is wrong with that?
rsp

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bduffy - Fri May 25, 2012 8:16 am

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Agreed. I can't f**king believe this "free" meter is for Cubase 6.x only! This doesn't work in Wavelab 7??? f**k YOU, Steinberg.

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lotus2035 - Fri May 25, 2012 8:18 am

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Well in that case it would mean that those who don't upgrade become lesser beings deserving of contempt.

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chk071 - Fri May 25, 2012 8:28 am

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Well, it's pretty obvious that you complain about this because you are not content with Steinberg's business policy in general, so i thought the question why you still buy their products would be valid. I don't buy Apple products because they deliver the same quality at double or triple the price mostly so...

I did in no way tried to decide for you what to buy though, my aplogoies if it sounded like it. I was just wondering how something a company offers for free can lead to a general complaint about their business practices.

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Keith99 - Fri May 25, 2012 8:46 am

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Unbelievable that people get all heated up over a free plugin!

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Shy - Fri May 25, 2012 8:49 am

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chk071: it's their increasingly horrible update cycle and decision to proactively lock out users of their software that's essentially identical to their latest version, and not for technical reasons. It's really a winning combination. It shows perfectly where they're heading and it's frustrating.

Keith99: it's amazing how you bother to make such a comment about a topic you have no idea about.

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chk071 - Fri May 25, 2012 9:07 am

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That strongly depends on the user i guess. I own the small version of Cubase 6 (Elements) and i don't really feel lock out over some meter or other stuff the more advanced version get for free. Also it is a question of business policy (again) if you choose whether to support older versions, and how long you want to support them as well. If you take Reaper for instance, a strong point to consider whether to buy it or not would be that you get 2 versions update cycles for what you pay. Then you'll probably take a look at other hosts, and see, in Cubase's case for example, that they usually do some maintainance updates, free stuff for their flagship versions, and you get a picture of what should be the best for you.

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Compyfox - Fri May 25, 2012 9:45 am

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It is common knowledge that Nuendo is pretty much Cubase's code and we Cubase users are the beta testers for Nuendo (they get the best of the cake, we just the breadcrumbs).


Nuendo 5 was first released in 2010, the last (free) update came (according to KVR) around 18 Apr 2012.

Cubase 6 was released Januaray 2011, the paid update to 6.5 came 29th February 2012 and the free 6.0.6 maintenance was mid March 2012.

So technically, the updates of Nuendo are newer, but Cubase is the more recent host and cash-pool.


BTW:
Wavelab 7 "hybrid" (Win/Mac) was released in September 2010, the last update (7.1.2) was released around 18th January 2012. By the known update cycles, Nuendo 6 would be released by end of 2012, Wavelab 8 (if it keeps the 2 year cycle) by end of the year as well, 2013 latest (though the last upgrade was over 4 years apart and it's still a small development team - IIRC even one still). Though I was "informed" by mail that it won't happen. Cubase 7 might then hit 2013 (spring) and start the public betatesting for Nuendo 7 due in 2014/2015. Again, Steinberg denies this.





Technically it's not free. That would mean it's "free for everyone in every VST3 host". I consider it "free to use by Steinberg users only". It could have been part of a maintenance update.

Come to think of it, I still think it's jumping on the bandwagon and make the people aware of the ITU measurement (EBU R-128 recommendation) - as it happened with the vintage plugin collection (Vintage Open Deck especially). The fact that Steinberg even mentioned (it's quoted on KVR) that it was not really quality checked but they wanted to put it out regardless, proves that point.

Actually, I think the maintenance updates had a hidden code that "unlocks" certain plugins. Example: the old Steinberg bundled plugins (EQ, Compressor, the tape machine, the tube plugin, etc) - they only work within a Steinberg environment or only Cubase. I think this is the case as well, which is why they insist on having "most recent versions".


I think with enough preasure, Steinberg losens the grip on the usage at least for the three main hosts Cubase/Nuendo/Wavelab. The fact that it's not(!) working in Wavelab (whichever version, reported by several users) is just a stupid move. Wavelab was and is still made for engineering and authoring purposes, the EBU R-128 recommendation is mainly for broadcasting only (not necessarily mastering), there are tons of similar tools available...


It was a nice try, but the endresult was a clear failure. Especially considering they are the forerunners of VST3 technology.

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zvenx - Fri May 25, 2012 10:44 am

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no no, you misunderstood the question. yes I know they are from the same source code, nuendo and cubase.. you said however that (which I have now hilited) :

which I am questioning how you know that is the case?

rsp

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Dean Aka Nekro - Fri May 25, 2012 11:03 am

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The point is that loyal, longtime users whom are not running 6.5 or whatever else is supported see this as first a free gesture of goodwill (even if they do not want/need a free metering plug-in) but as soon as it seems like a tidy little tool all of a sudden it does not work unless they are using the most recent/supported versions (with proof that it does work in older versions so long as its on you're license holder you are running an up to date supported version!) It is a kick in the teeth and they could have spent the time used to dish out this 'freebie' working on things that actually do need working on such as bug fixes, feature requests and such. I would be sure as hell pissed off with them if I were a Steinberg customer.

I was looking for something to replace my host since I started which is Pro Tools but the time It would take me to learn something new inside and out against biting the bullet would cost me alot more, Lukily I managed to find a PT v9.x license for a great price off of a great person As I sure as hell am not going to give AVID any money to use PT v10 as they have taken many steps backwards since v9 seemed to listen to most major user and potential user issues (To go so backwards in such a space of time is damned odd but I am not a business man trying to milk a small market like they are). Cubase was on that list of potentials but thank f'ck I found a way to avoid the headache

So in a nutshell if Steinberg have the time to give away a free tool to users of only the most recent updated versions, What the f'ck are they doing with their time? Certainly not making an update tempting thats for sure! Oh and obviously a 'free' loudness meter is about nothing but business practices, How you can not see that is astounding

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lotus2035 - Fri May 25, 2012 1:36 pm

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It should be obvious reading through the thread that the issue is not really the free plug but Steinberg's attitude towards customers that have chosen not to upgrade to the latest version.

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antithesist - Fri May 25, 2012 1:41 pm

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Doesn't Studio One host VST3 as well?

If so, has anyone tried this in it?

(I have S1-2 pro, but haven't installed it yet.)

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Compyfox - Fri May 25, 2012 11:45 pm

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A drastical code change might be massive implementation of more tools. Or new features for that matter - stuff that would count as "complete new version" (like UI overhaul, the implementation of a x.1 surround mode compared to 5.1, the implementation of VariAudio, something like that). The 6.5 update was basically just FLAC support, two VSTi, a "DJ plugin" from Sequel, one additional mode fix and the rest were bugfixes.

Since I'm no programmer of them, I can't confirm this, but I say this is not a drastical code change. Just tweaking.





Then try it and report back. It doesn't hurt. But I'm fairly sure Steinberg "locked out" all other VST3 related hosts unless they get a certain code update. With a reason or not, we can't be for sure.

I still emphasize on the availablity of the competition in this case.




And I still like to point this out:


This is the best excuse that Steinberg can make. They push away all upcoming issues and blame it in the users if it's not working as it should, since there's "use at own risk" written all over it. Happened for several times now with recent releases (updates, freebies, etc).


I can agree with Dean regarding WTF they are doing. Apparently they can do everything else than pushing the boundaries or stay at the pulse of time. VST3 is flawed - and this is a prime example. On top of not responding to mails and FRs.

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lotus2035 - Sat May 26, 2012 2:34 am

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For the record I was able to open projects saved and worked on in the 30 day demo of Cubase 6 in Cubase Studio 5.

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antithesist - Sat May 26, 2012 12:29 pm

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Compyfox : I meant that I haven't installed Studio One yet. I may not until I get a new computer, for reasons beyond the scope of this thread. Thanks, though.

Can someone that has Studio One installed please try this and see if it works? Thanks!

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Compyfox - Sun May 27, 2012 2:40 am

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I installed the most recent "freeware" updates from Steinberg yesterday:
Wavelab 7.2.1 and Cubase 6.0.6

According to timecodes, the 6.0.6 update is even newer than 6.5.


Even after several reboots, no showing of the plugin. This somewhat confirms my guess that the updates have a code implemented to unlock certain "Steinberg only" plugins within their host "only". Might have been an maintenance update indeed.

Shady move to some, not drasical to others since there are plenty of cross-platform alternatives. Don't go haywire about a limited measurement tool like Steinberg - spare some pocket money for ToneBoosters instead, or grab the free Audication one.



If someone is interested, take a dive into my KVRmarks and read the freshly added link-to-post regarding EBU R-128. This tells you if you really need such a plugin or not.

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chk071 - Sun May 27, 2012 2:56 am

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Steinberg said "It can be used in Cubase 6.5 and Nuendo from version 5". Which means it will run in these hosts. Only. Seriously.

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4damind - Sun May 27, 2012 7:22 am

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Nice plugin. It's a good job by Steinberg to release some free stuff for Cubase users (or better "for VST3 users"... this plug-in works with every VST3 host?)

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Compyfox - Sun May 27, 2012 10:43 am

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Nope, just Cubase 6.5 it seems, and Nuendo 5. Return one page to see what's up.

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careyletendre - Sun May 27, 2012 8:22 pm

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I couldn't be happier that Steinberg is rewarding their loyal customers with this fantastic plugin.

Carey

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bduffy - Sun May 27, 2012 9:02 pm

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The loyal people who upgrade. :S

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Roger-S. - Sun May 27, 2012 9:05 pm

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Normally you don't change the code in an update, because that way you really may lock out users. I remember updating Macs (automatically) and afterwards several applications didn't run anymore.



Although it's not my way of expressing myself, but this comment is COMPLETE BULLSHIT. I am certified trainer for Steinberg, the engine is identical, but the differences between Cubase and Nuendo are only relevent to users in broadcast/movie (thinking of syncing options for example, or importing/exporting MXF and AAF) due to certain very special features in Nuendo.
All you need in music production, is included in Cubase, all the MIDI stuff, almost all the effects, notation, VariAudio etc.
Nuendo actually lacks a lot of MIDI and notation features, so I guess, I just proved you wrong.

Sorry if I sound a little harsh...



Really good one, and very true.



With Cubase 6.x, VST specification has reached VST 3.5. I think, that's the reason, you cannot see it in other hosts. But as VST is free to implement by other programmers, they should be able to integrate that...if they want. I am especially thinking of Presonus StudioOne, one of the head programmers of them actually developed the VST 3 specification.
It is running in my Cubase 6.06, I didn't update to 6.5, although I think, it's well worth updating.



My guess is, those plugins wre proteted by the same Cubase licence, so if there's no Cubase licence, you won't be able to use those plugins.



In that one you are right, and I am sure, they will soon provide an updated version of WaveLab.

Peace.

Roger

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Compyfox - Mon May 28, 2012 1:18 am

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Sorry, but this didn't prove anything. I'm with Cubase since (hold your horses) v1.4 on old Windows (read: pre/around 95) days. Nuendo was always built upon the Cubase code indeed. But don't tell me we Cubase users are not the public beta testers for Nuendo. Because sometimes Nuendo runs better than Cubase - thanks to us "bugfinders".





Different viewpoints, different opinions.





IIRC, VST3.5 has arrived with Cubase 6.0 already. I'm not so sure with Wavelab since it doesn't offer the feature to load VSTi (see Halion Sonic SE). It was the main feature to "pimp out" back in the day to actually upgrade to Cubase 6 - "VST3.5, enhanced expression maps, only we have it"

And VST3 is still flawed - take a dive into the DSP section in here and read how many complaints there are.





If you read my last post, I updated(!) to 6.0.6 the other day. It does not(!) work there - reasons are unknown. So if it's workin on your end, and since you're a cerrified trainer for Steinberg (especially Cubase), then please show us obviously stupid users how you pulled that off.


Unless you're running Nuendo in parallel - then the riddle is solved.





I have both a valid Cubase and Wavelab license, yet it's not working. It's not even showing up in the plugin list.

I slowly get the feeling it's either a code-unlock within the DAW, or a specific driver add-on that is needed but not installed. Come to think of it, the installer is a MSI file and pretty much only "copies" the files into their folder - nothing more.





If you've been to their boards, they said that it won't happen.



I can emphasize once more that there are suitable(!!!) alternatives out there. Free even or affordable (10bucks!!!) that are not only crossplatform, free of this crappy VST3 nonsense and less hassle to install/test if the installation worked.

I rather support a developer that knows what he's doing. Jeroen Breebaart for example - while his tool is not as detailed as (say) Nugen Audio or TC, it's at least working right out of the box and also has a histogram function. Steinberg only offers a plain 2.0 "compact" measurement system.

And, it's still wrong advertising for the musicians, since they don't even need it. EBU R-128 (or ITU 1770-2 for that matter) is still mainly aimed at broadcasters only.

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Roger-S. - Mon May 28, 2012 4:25 am

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Yes, Cubase is based on Nuendo engine, I never said it didn't. But when you feel like bugfinder, that you may change to Nuendo, buy the NEK, and you'll be able to do everything you claim, you can't...and you'll have paid about 4 times a Cubase. A software NEVER is bugfree, when it reaches a certain complexity. So this is certainly no Cubase-specific issue. The plugin is declared to run on Cubase 6.5, so what's the confusion?



I was giving you a hint about possible reasons. I also thought, we were talking about why the plugin isn't showing up in Cubase 6.0.6., and not critizing VST 3 standard itself, or simply put.... you are off your own topic.
And critizing the plugin for being VST 3.5 is like critizing ProTools for not supporting Audio Units, even more off.



I never said STUPID USERS, but if you feel yourself that way, I am sorry.
Anyway, I am not running Nuendo parallel, I don't even have a Nuendo licence, and yet it's working. If you need, I may send you a screenshot.

Besides, users have to understand, that there are almost as many PC configurations out there, as there are PCs. So the problem might be, believe it or not: Your computer. Also, Steinberg declared the plugin UNSUPPORTED, they might probably have their reasons to do so.



Answered above.



I know the work of Jeroen. I also have bought plenty of plugins in every price range, from those from Jeroen to Alchemy. The advantage of Cubase is, that there are a lot of plugins around, so yes, you can use their software, free or cheap or more expensive. That's what they 're for. With this, what you are looking for is within your means, so why all this hate? About a freeware???

Another option for you might be, to leave the "crappy" VST 3 standard behind, and get yourself Protools. Let's see, what will be the cost for you...



This is like saying, you should'nt advertise products off context, like advertising for cornflakes at the super bowl. Come on, what else does bother you? The plugin does not work for you, but there are alternatives, so go one and get them. Also, the loudness war isn't a broadcasting issue only...

So, get the software, that works for you and take yourself more time to make music. This may avoid a heart attack. Music technology is in constant development, you decide, til which point you go with it.

And before you ask: No, I am not sponsored by Steinberg (although I'd like to be), and I work with the same software as every user. I am no beta tester neither.

All the best.

Roger

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chk071 - Mon May 28, 2012 4:29 am

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Bit of a wild statement don't you think? And why on earth should Nuendo not be based on Cubase? Would you completely rewrite your code if you want to create a similar software?

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Roger-S. - Mon May 28, 2012 4:32 am

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100% correct. I am with you.

Roger

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Compyfox - Mon May 28, 2012 5:18 am

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I'm not touching most of that "I'm a Steiny - I know better" crap.




I'm sure as hell not investigating any further. It's not working right out of the box, and I have other issues to take care about than getting this trainwreck to run on my rig.




Then one big question pops up:
Why even release it if it's not supported?

There you have it, thread over.





You run out of arguments it seems.

BTW:
I'm using more than just Cubase and Wavelab. ProTools does count to that. You barked up the wrong tree.





You missed the point of this whole thread.


The rest is just yadda yadda without any context or helping at all.





There you are again - nice to you once more.
And... what did you contribute? Nothing - just like your last posts.



I'm definitely out of here. The argumentation is going nowhere. Obviously to some this is the "nice freeware holy grail", to others it's a trainwreck. Not worth the hassle.

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Roger-S. - Mon May 28, 2012 9:10 am

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On the official Steinberg webpage they put it very clearly:

"...we decided to create a loudness metering tool in the very short-term, which enables our customers to create R 128-compliant mixes," says Timo Wildenhain, product marketing manager at Steinberg."



I am not even close to run out of arguments. My point is here: You don't like VST 3, then don't use it.
Get another plattform to work with.



Well, I missed the point, because I dared to answer to your comment.



Like if your comments would have been helpful to anyone...



A forum is supposed to provide help and information to other users. I put you valid information, but you don't even read it carefully. If you are a legal Cubase user, you might consider using the official Cubase forum. They have qualified moderators, who might actually answer your question, if you ask in the right way.

All the best.

Roger

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bduffy - Mon May 28, 2012 10:18 am

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That is a good point: it looks like it's a "temporary-fix"-type plugin, so I guess there may be a more universal version coming soon. Will it be pay? Will it work in all Steinberg apps? Hard to say...

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Compyfox - Mon May 28, 2012 11:51 pm

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*sigh* why do I even do this?



They also made it clear, that it's a "non mass-tested" release and advised to "use at own risk".

Or in short:
"Let's jump on the bandwagon before August, even with bugs, while totally ignoring the educational side (like: "what does EBU R-128 actually do, and is it even needed for musicians?") of things - cause we're smart and are a leading audio firm!"


Sums it up pretty much.





If I'd hate VST3 so much, then I'd not use Brainworx or MeldaProduction plugins in VST3 mode. Apparently, they can do it right - while the host itself can't. And it's not a good embodiment of a firm that "drives" the VST technology forward, that half of the recent released VST3 plugins don't work without any issues.

Solution: Use the old VST2.x standard and hope that VST3 will turn bugfree and backwards compatible by the time Steinberg ditched VST2.

Or the simpler answer: blame it on the programmers to not code within specs.





Sorry, but... B'tch, please.




I'd still love to get a detailed answer by everyone who got this plugin to run in earlier Cubase versions. How did you pull that off?

Here's my rig (again):
Intel Core i7 920, non OCed
Windows XP pro SP3, 32bit
Cubase 6.0.6 32bit and Wavelab 7.2.1 (also tested Wavelab 7.0.x and Cubase 6.0.2 32bit)
Elicenser Version - ??? (the last installed one from Cubase 6.0.6

SLM 128 (windows, 32bit) version from 26th May 2012, rebooted my engine several times.

Tested on two user accounts, both with administrator rights.
Having several visual C runtimes installed due to the fact that several plugins need them. .net Framework is v3.5, if that is even relevant (don't think so).


Unless there is some driver missing, according to your last post (and the one from someone else with Cubase 5), it should work right out of the box. Alas - it does not - and it's IMO not a PC issue.


Your turn.





Saying "it might be your PC's fault, since it's working on my end" doesn't count as help. But YMMV.





Now you even accuse me of using illegal licenses - good times. What makes you think I do not read over there and get similar answers already? If you(!) would read over there, you'd realise that I'm not the only one having troubles and/or is dissapointed. Also our opinions seem to differ greatly on "qualified moderators" or "suitable customer support".





It was said so right from the start, which I pointed out in an earlier post - great move by Steinberg to cut away every support with the "use at own risk" sign.

At this point however, I don't care anymore if there will be a more "universal version", may it be expenso-payware (Neve Portico anyone) or not.



Don't feed the trolls, eat more trees.

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