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pzhuravel - Fri Jun 01, 2012 1:53 pm

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Hey guys I'm trying to get as close to "analog" fat sounding synths as possible with out getting a virus ti..
What should be on the top of my list.. Freebies don't count

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rob_lee - Fri Jun 01, 2012 2:00 pm

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Well take a look what the postman brought the other week Oohhh it sounds great too.

http://www.screencast.com/users/rob_lee/folders/Jing/media/27e5f623-1f19-4051-8e14-1e04f03654d0

Rob

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Nig - Fri Jun 01, 2012 2:01 pm

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If you want an analog sound check out U-he Diva
If you want great sound any plenty of features check U-he Zebra

The Virus isn't analog either btw, it's VA (not that that's a bad thing)

Also if you don't want to spend that much on a Virus TI maybe you should check out a second hand Virus B or C

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pzhuravel - Fri Jun 01, 2012 2:02 pm

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Yeah if I don't find nothing good enough I'm caving too lol

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pzhuravel - Fri Jun 01, 2012 2:04 pm

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Is there anything crazy good for ambient chilout music Outthere?

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Teksonik - Fri Jun 01, 2012 2:05 pm

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One more thread like this and I'm going on a killing spree........

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pzhuravel - Fri Jun 01, 2012 2:08 pm

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One more person that has no interest in the post has the decency to stay out of it will make this world a better place..
Killing spree works best if you start with yourself

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osiris - Fri Jun 01, 2012 2:10 pm

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Kontakt. Then Google Virus/Analog soundsets. Have fun.

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Kaboom75 - Fri Jun 01, 2012 2:22 pm

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Zebra 2 and Diva combined in a mix is really great add Soundtoys effects and you have something really special to work with.
Have a listen to Adam Szabo Zebra presets http://www.adamszabo.com/zebra2-soundset/

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Teksonik - Fri Jun 01, 2012 2:25 pm

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One less (daily) "what sounds like a Virus" thread would make the world a much much better place.....just buy a Virus and then go find a Virus forum....It will save me a lot of bullets......

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Teksonik - Fri Jun 01, 2012 2:26 pm

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Or buy Dune and Z3TA+2 and save yourself $1,000+........

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Doug1978 - Fri Jun 01, 2012 2:32 pm

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For the OP - in all truth, you can do worse than buying Sylenth as a more than adequate Virus sound-a-like.
But if you want an "analog" fat sounding soft synth, as others have said - go for DIVA.

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1-2-Many - Fri Jun 01, 2012 2:36 pm

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PinkNoise Studio - Virology

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MFXxx - Fri Jun 01, 2012 2:44 pm

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Personally get a virus so much more than just phat and an amazing synth.

Nothing in the virtual scene matches the sound in my opinion and looking forward to OS 5.0 :•)

However I do rate for complimenting a Virus in no particular order :

DiscoDSP Discovery Pro
uhe Diva
KV331 Audio Synthmaster2
SynthX
uhe Zebra
NI Massive
Spectronics Omnisphere/Trillian
Lennard Digital Sylenth
Saurus
Poly KBII

Dont tend to use, not dislike, but dont use as much as I thought I would:

DUNE
DCAM Synthsquad
Waldorf PPG3
Z3TA+
UltraAnalogue
uhe ACE
Dimension Pro
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About time! So looking forward to hearing some Virus soundbanks from you, finally

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mcnoone - Fri Jun 01, 2012 2:54 pm

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If you want a virus just buy a windows pc.
If you want analog sound, try demos of various VA type software synths out.

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cryophonik - Fri Jun 01, 2012 2:56 pm

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This doesn't make sense to me, neither as someone who has owned numerous Viruses nor as someone who has owned countless analog synths. If you want an analog sounding synth, shouldn't the question be "I'm trying to get as close to "analog" fat sounding synths as possible without buying an actual analog synth"?

The Virus is a great synth, but it's not analog and really doesn't pretend to be. In other words, not too many people are going to buy a Virus primarily to fool people into thinking that they're actually hearing a Moog, Jupiter, Juno, Oberheim, Prophet, etc. That's not its strength.

That said, yeah, this has been discussed to death and there are countless soft synths that will cover Virus territory. I suggest doing a search.

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digitalboytn - Fri Jun 01, 2012 2:58 pm

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The Virus is just code with a box,some knobs,buttons and a keyboard thrown in plus a D/A convertor so that you can get all of that digital goodness out into the analog world...

It's packaged beautifully and that tactile sexiness is also a seducer for the senses and helps to seal the deal ...

Some people like to "touch" things and "possess" them and psychologists have many things to say on this matter....

I believe that you can get far better and more flexible results out of any number of soft synths,a computer and a good quality audio interface...

Much more flexible....Try surfing the net on a Virus

Diva is the talk of the town and an obvious choice these days,but I agree with the other posters who have mentioned Zebra and Z3TA+ 2...

Both wonderful sounding synths - but don't forget Rapture too

In fact the original Z3ta+ was intended to be a hardware synth,but the idea was scrapped because of the market move away from physical synths..

But if it had ended up being hardware,it would have been some code with a box,some knobs,buttons and a keyboard thrown in plus a D/A convertor...

Just like a Virus

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pzhuravel - Fri Jun 01, 2012 3:00 pm

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OMG I just listened to DIVA demos... I think I'm I'm love.. How did I not own this synth yet Is beyond me...
I guess I have some testing to do...
I just sold my powercore virus and was hoping to replace it with something as good..

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pzhuravel - Fri Jun 01, 2012 3:08 pm

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Just listened to diva's demos I'm in love. How I don't own this yet is beyond me.. So I have some demoing to do:) I sold my poco virus and need to replace it with something.. Diva will definitely be one synth hard to beat

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Teksonik - Fri Jun 01, 2012 3:11 pm

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Yep there it is....didn't take long. My response to these daily threads from now on will be just buy a Virus and leave us alone.....

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digitalboytn - Fri Jun 01, 2012 3:17 pm

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Buy a fridge and paint it with psychedelic swirls

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pzhuravel - Fri Jun 01, 2012 3:19 pm

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I don't really care fOr the knobs not to pay so much for d/a for witch my I/O interface has a stellar D/A. If I can't find anything then yea I'll get a TI but from the looks of it TI may just loose in this battle. Not for sonic qualities but sonic comparrison vs the price tag:)

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xamido - Fri Jun 01, 2012 3:21 pm

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If i have the money, it's virus all day long. So sexy and.........
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I think that's it. If i buy it, it's only because of the looks. I own snow though and digital is what it is.

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pzhuravel - Fri Jun 01, 2012 3:24 pm

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How does snow stacks up to powercore do you know?

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xamido - Fri Jun 01, 2012 3:27 pm

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Own virus c and snow only. Based on my experience there's not much different in term of sound wise. For me you should only get virus if you want the hardware experience, not for the sound (especially if you aim for analog sound).

Btw i think sylenth sound the closest to virus (of all the synth i've owned before).

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pzhuravel - Fri Jun 01, 2012 3:34 pm

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Ok maybe I'm having different understanding about analog. To me analog = fat and warm sounding.
That's the impression I got from poco virus..
Does ti sound the same?

I heard sylenth and it sounded pretty good but not good enough for "gotta have it" factor perhaps because thats not what I was looking for. After listening to diva I'm completely floored. I'm def checking out the rest of their products.
And it's a complete +1 on soundtoys! Best investment I made in years.

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pzhuravel - Fri Jun 01, 2012 3:37 pm

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Lmao already own one.. Doesn't do it for me anymore heheheh

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mcnoone - Fri Jun 01, 2012 3:55 pm

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With more flooring to come actually.
It's just a start.
You certainly got the system specs to run it with no cpu problems as well.

edit:If you try Zebra, it can load presets.
You can get a lot of them here.
http://www.u-he.com/PatchLib/zebra.html

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Teksonik - Fri Jun 01, 2012 3:56 pm

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The mistake people make in these "Sounds like a Virus" threads is they tend to want a comparison to only one vsti. I've just had a play with Alchemy ( a much under rated synth when it comes to this type of sound) with Dune, Sylenth1, plus Z3ta 2 and the sound was beyond glorious. If you think of each plugin as an "oscillator" in a larger instrument and your computer as a hardware synth the sounds you can get by layering and stacking plugins is phenomenal. Does any one vsti sound exactly like a Virus? That's debatable but if you start layering some of the great soft synths available on the market now the edge has to go with the computer based synth over the dedicated box synth especially when price becomes a factor even when taking into consideration the cost of a good cpu/soundcard/midi controller keyboard.......all in my opinion of course.....

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mcnoone - Fri Jun 01, 2012 4:00 pm

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I love doing that too.
Have a few instances of different synths then go through trying out different combinations is a blast. Getting the levels adjusted right too.
A lot of wow moments come from doing that.

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digitalboytn - Fri Jun 01, 2012 4:00 pm

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Amen

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pzhuravel - Fri Jun 01, 2012 4:12 pm

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So does zebra is in the same sound category as diva? What's yup with zeta3?
And I agree absolutely I use alchemy on just about every track it's a beutiful thing:)

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Kaboom75 - Fri Jun 01, 2012 4:46 pm

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Diva is an emulation of the best real analog gear moduals added onto some nice analog effects. Zebra doesn't do the analog simulation as close but Zebra can do any sound it has more features and waveforms. Zebra was used for most of the music and some sound effects in the movie Inception by Hans Zimmer the presets were made by Howard Scarr who makes many of the presets in Zebra and Diva. Zebra might get Divas filters in the future I think it will kill the Virus when that happens.

Using a similar super saw with both and playing both at the same time has given me the best super saw pad I have ever heard.


I also use Z3ta+2 to me it sounds great but diferent run it through a saturation plugin like Decapitator and it sounds a bit Virus it's not better than Zebra or Diva but it nice to have to get some sounds. I prefair preset making with Zebra and Diva.

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pzhuravel - Fri Jun 01, 2012 4:51 pm

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Honest I've never thought of u-he as a serious player in the industry. But I suppose I'm wrong.. Do they ever have sales?

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mcnoone - Fri Jun 01, 2012 4:57 pm

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Well Zebra uses more different kinds of synthesis methods.
It is capable of a wider variety of sounds because of this.
It can come pretty close to some things that Diva can do, as far as subtractive analog sounds, but not quite. Although that may change somewhat later.
It does the good digital style sounds best though.
Great pads, morphing sounds, and acoustical sounding things...bellish tones too.
Layered sounds, and some great spooky atmospheric sounds.
It's fx, and analogue modeling are not as good as in Diva though.
I've got a free set below in my sig, that will give you a good idea of it's diverse nature.

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Kaboom75 - Fri Jun 01, 2012 4:57 pm

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Don't think they do sale. They sell a synth cheaper while it's in beta and full of bugs. For the price though and the sound they offer I feel like I robed them paying full price. You need to check out ACE too it's not my go to for pads and poly but it has crazy nice leads, bass and plucks. That will get updated to.

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ZenPunkHippy - Fri Jun 01, 2012 4:58 pm

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U-he is most definitely a "serious player" in the world of soft synths and effects.

The only time you'll see U-he software at a discount is when the software is first released, usually used as an advanced beta testing testing period. After that, the prices is full price and will not change. No sales, no group buys.

There is a "dinosaur cross-grade offer" for Zebra if you send a photo in (probably some info about this on the website somewhere).

There are also several free plugins about including TyrellN6 (precursor to Diva) and Bazille (modular synth beast).

Peace,
Andy.

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dalor - Fri Jun 01, 2012 5:08 pm

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Only 3 posts until someone suggested DIVA
Now I LOVE DIVA but unless you have a fast computer to bounce off parts it can be a frustrating workflow.
Even in draft mode some pads can be CPU intensive.

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pzhuravel - Fri Jun 01, 2012 5:15 pm

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I told my wife to stay with her parents this weekend I'm getting diva and zebra Tonight:)

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ford442 - Fri Jun 01, 2012 5:16 pm

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remember that Diva has gone 1.1 with multi-threading!
i still have my virus powercore - i used both things in my last project - Diva is by far the better sounding, more versatile instrument in many ways - the Virus has a signature sound and does a lot more digital graininess. but, i would not spend $1000+ on a hardware synth with less power than Diva at $179..
i will be watching the TI line for a fully integrated VST - i don't like how much happens in real-time where my old powercore renders just like a VST..

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pzhuravel - Fri Jun 01, 2012 5:16 pm

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I'm sure my 12 core will be just fine:)

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pzhuravel - Fri Jun 01, 2012 5:18 pm

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Got out of my poco because I moved Mac pro from ppc and didn't care for poco platform any longer

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mcnoone - Fri Jun 01, 2012 5:21 pm

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That's great.
I'm pretty sure you won't be disappointed.
Check the manuals out too, as things can be a bit complex at first.
Run through a lot of presets, and see what was done to make them.
Don't forget to eat, and go to the bathroom on occasion.
Losing track of time is a common side effect from those synths.

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pzhuravel - Fri Jun 01, 2012 5:32 pm

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Thank You very much I know the bathrooms are highly overrated in these situations as far as food goes one could always lose a little extra weight:)

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MFXxx - Fri Jun 01, 2012 5:42 pm

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Absolutely. Buy a Virus and then buy all the plugins...you wont miss out

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digitalboytn - Fri Jun 01, 2012 5:46 pm

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Tell her to stay over there for a month or so

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braj - Fri Jun 01, 2012 5:47 pm

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good move there!

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pzhuravel - Fri Jun 01, 2012 5:54 pm

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Do you know how TI compares to Powercore. Are they close sound wise similar or different?

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pzhuravel - Fri Jun 01, 2012 6:00 pm

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Hey I'm a ladies man okay that only means when diva is around I'm going to have to give her as much attention as I can

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munchkin - Fri Jun 01, 2012 6:08 pm

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I own the Poco Virus and it doesn't sound as good as DIVA. Poco Virus is very capable and has thousands of presets available for it but DIVA and a number of other contemporary native VA's sound better imo. I can't compare a hardware Virus as I don't own one. Based on DIVA's capabilities, the next gen of native VA synths will take authenticity far beyond what digital hardware synths can achieve currently.

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stillshaded - Fri Jun 01, 2012 7:19 pm

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People who say stylenth can replace a virus must be talking about the pre TI days.


The TI series adds so freaking much. Sylenth cant come close to so many of the things it can do. The new oscilators (wave table, formant, granular) the speaker cab emu, the tape delay, the new choruses, the analog drift in the mod matrix, the new filters. The virus is one of a kind... it has that 'real' instrument quality that I've sought after. IMO its the perfect balance of crazy super synth and usablity.

Diva is amazing also sound quality wise, and I think it probably edges out over the virus as far as pure virtual analog goes, but it doesn't come close to the amount of madness and weird timbres you can come up with on the virus. Strange thing is that with the extensive mod matrix of the Virus, I would say that you can actually come up with more organic patches than the diva.


And one other thing, some one asked if the virus is good for ambient chillout, and for this application, I would say it has no equal.

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TheoM - Fri Jun 01, 2012 7:34 pm

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wont read through all of this but the virus does not sound analog.. so you are after either the virus sound OR analog.. if latter there are better options

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pzhuravel - Fri Jun 01, 2012 7:38 pm

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After doing some research and I'm not done yet, but from the looks of it I'm getting zebra diva and a ti.. They all sound amazing in their own way.. I figured everyone has their opinions about things, poco virus was good and I'm sure ti is just as good if not better. Realistically 7000 patches that comes with ti alone is worth the price of admition..

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pzhuravel - Fri Jun 01, 2012 7:40 pm

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What are those better options you speak of?

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Howard - Fri Jun 01, 2012 11:38 pm

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I heard (from someone whose opinions I highly respect) that some effects sound different.

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pdxindy - Fri Jun 01, 2012 11:54 pm

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Here is an audio example of one of my Diva presets played realtime... something in the ambient direction

http://draigathar.org/sounds/Diva-12.wav

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4damind - Sat Jun 02, 2012 12:13 am

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For "analog and fat sounding" the Virus is IMO the wrong option. There is always a very digital sound and I personally use the Virus because of this sound.

For the more analog stuff, you should try something like FXpansion DCAM Synthquad, U-He Diva. For some more features and quality VA sound NI Massive, U-He Zebra, Sylenth, Dune and some more.

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Numanoid - Sat Jun 02, 2012 12:49 am

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Did anybody mention Viral Outbreak?

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mcnoone - Sat Jun 02, 2012 1:00 am

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It's windows only. The OP's signature says mac pro...so eh yea.

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Numanoid - Sat Jun 02, 2012 1:03 am

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Every mac user is neverthelss dual booting these days I gather?

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braj - Sat Jun 02, 2012 1:04 am

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If he is a Reason user, Viral Outbreak is available as a refill.

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osiris - Sat Jun 02, 2012 2:03 am

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I have and LOVE Virology. In fact anything by Pink Noise is so worth getting. Now that I have more space on my computer I also have my eye on Thrillology by someone named Cyforce

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mr president - Sat Jun 02, 2012 2:21 am

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Novation ultranova as soon as i get the money, and i dont even need a computer to run it seperately. Previously had a kstation, and even though ive got lots of soft synths i still wouldnt mind a real synthesizer sat in front of me without having to automate this, and set up that.Plus it has the benefit of an onboard soundcard too so ill be looking at that hardware compressor ive been promising myself as well.

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xamido - Sat Jun 02, 2012 2:25 am

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Why ultranova? Why not Virus TI Keyboard? (If price is the problem then i understand)

I don't know, i just find ultranova to be pretty lacking in the sound department, and the menu dive..... Btw virus also have menu dive but pretty easy to learn.

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mr president - Sat Jun 02, 2012 2:35 am

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Yup, Im only up for spending around £500, but I have thought about it before, not just the virus, probably a real analog. Quite a lot of synths for the £2000 region-serious investment. Also would probably go for arturia origin for that money because that is a mother of a synth(VA of course)

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George - Sat Jun 02, 2012 2:41 am

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Hello, check out Discovery Pro and Corona.

http://www.discodsp.com/discoverypro/

http://www.discodsp.com/corona/


We updated Corona recently with top filter algorithms.

http://www.discodsp.com/mp3/snippet/zerodelayfeedbackfilter.mp3

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osiris - Sat Jun 02, 2012 2:45 am

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I tried an Ultranova. I liked the Roland Gaia better. Did you audition one of those? Around the same price. I thought it sounded phatter, the filters kick butt and the arp is great.
But the heart wants what it wants...

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mr president - Sat Jun 02, 2012 2:49 am

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No, but i have been looking at it as an alternative, ive had a kstation so i was wanting something like that.But, now you come to mention it i think i might be persuaded.Cheers

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osiris - Sat Jun 02, 2012 2:52 am

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Try it you'll love it. I seriously had a lot more fun with the Gaia and the best thing was, the way it's laid out. No manual needed (well, you know you need one), but if you ever tweaked a softsynth, you can plug this in and go. Plus, the Roland fx are

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Kriminal - Sat Jun 02, 2012 3:02 am

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a virus doesnt sound particulary analogue IMO, but the closest soft synth to a virus is Dune.

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polyslax - Sat Jun 02, 2012 3:07 am

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Lovely. Diva does sound great... I'll have to pick it up some time.

As for the Virus, I've been using the TI keyboard for the last 3-4 years, and it's a great workhorse synth. Sounds fantastic, very flexible, well built, well supported.

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pzhuravel - Sat Jun 02, 2012 8:41 am

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How does origin stacks up to TI? I have all of their vi's I suspect origin sounds about the same

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pzhuravel - Sat Jun 02, 2012 8:46 am

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I do have a reason 6 perhaps I should investigate it a bit more. I remember that Thor sounded pretty good I just don't care much for rewire. But allegator is by far my favorite thing for reason I actually called waves and told them they should make a plug like that:) upon checking it out they agreed that this type of a plug is needed:)

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zerocrossing - Sat Jun 02, 2012 9:43 am

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If you don't love the sound of a Virus there are lots and lots of software synths out there that'll easily take it's place. As other's mentioned you can get close with Dune, Corona, Sylenth1, Zebra 2, etc. All of those will give you some pretty kick-ass sounds. However, I bet if you really ran them though their paces next to an actual Virus you'd find them all lacking in some ways... maybe better in others. Same? Not really.

However I had a Virus C and got rid of it and did exactly what I described above. I replaced it with software. I do want to point out that it was at a time when I was thinking I was about to lose my studio space. I was basically trying to make a system that would run on a laptop with a MIDI controller, some studio monitors and an audio interface.

If you do love and cherish the sound of the Virus, I bet you just won't be happy with anything other than a Virus. Save up and get one. If it's to be the centerpiece of your "sound" you'd be better off not wasting your money on software that gets you almost there but then stops short. Me? Every time I hear a Virus in action I think "Meh." It's just not for me. For a while I thought, "It must be that software has trumped dedicated digital synths" but I think I was wrong. I found a Nord Lead 2x rack cheap and I've always loved the sound of those but thought Discovery Pro got me close enough... and it kind of does, but now that I have the Nord it's pretty clear that there's an extra something Discovery Pro and Synth1 don't have. I should also mention that the Nord was a very good deal and if it had been selling for it's normal price I wouldn't have gone for it.

So it's up to you. There are always diminishing returns as you spend more and more money. You just have to figure out how much money you have and what's the most important place to put it.

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pzhuravel - Sat Jun 02, 2012 9:54 am

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I'm heading to the store where they have one set up and I will know if it's a waist;)

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Aiynzahev - Sat Jun 02, 2012 5:08 pm

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Okay, if the op is reading you must try ElectraX. It's the only soft synth I know of that has a hyper-saw (which is one of the things the TI is famous for) rather than just a unison and it sounds really.. really good!

It's got wavetables and a whole shaboudle. Check it out because I've always thought of it as the closest to the TI in software, however I've not got a TI and other synths can do similar things like Zebra and Massive.

I don't know. Try them out but trying out Electrax is harder because its a pretty cripped demo.

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pzhuravel - Sat Jun 02, 2012 5:12 pm

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I'll check it out but it will be hard to beat diva and zebra

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IrionDaRonin - Sat Jun 02, 2012 6:04 pm

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As far i know.

- Synthmaster 2.5.
- ANA.
- Zeta 1 or 2.
- Sylenth.

Have a good day

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Aiynzahev - Sat Jun 02, 2012 6:12 pm

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Well, lets pause a moment. What kind of sounds are you looking for? Can you post us a link to a youtube track with a lot of the sounds you are after?

Virus is not first choice for analog sounds, neither is ElectraX. DIVA yes, and more so than Zebra which is more modern sounding. Corona has a really really nice filter section now. If its analog sounds you want you must must check it out also.

None of these though besides Corona and sometimes DIVA really makes me feel like I am playing an analog synth. Others may have a different opinion. Give me a Moog LP any day. But Corona actually feels like I have a different analog flavour in the box. And no I am not their new sales boy.

I am going to upload a silly demo to show the filter on soundcloud, which you should download to hear proper quality

I am not saying its better than DIVA a such since they do different things, but it is a different flavour.

Horrible demo
http://soundcloud.com/aiyn-zahev/corona-demo

But at least you hear the filter

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mr president - Sun Jun 03, 2012 5:09 am

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KARMAFX SYNTH MODULAR _ I heard in many a magazine that it was as close to a virus as you could get in terms of soundwise. Sure, its got a processor hit on some patches but the sound is really something. Never heard a virus but ive tried this when it was in beta shareware a few years ago and id recommend at least giving the demo a try

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Richard_Synapse - Sun Jun 03, 2012 11:48 am

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True, there's still a couple nice and unique tricks that some hardware synths are capable of, but on the other hand the same is true for software- e.g. in Dune the ability to modulate each unison voice, which allows for a much greater flexibility. Moreover, the quality of algorithms employed in software is rapidly getting better, I think hardware will have a hard time competing with that.

Richard

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philterino - Sun Jun 03, 2012 1:53 pm

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I used to have the powercore Virus... was never really impressed. Think its based on a virus B and dosnt have a decent super/hypersaw.

I also never liked the filters that much.


Have a listen to some of the ANA demos...



http://soundcloud.com/philterino-1/sets/sonic-academy-ana-demos

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Kriminal - Mon Jun 04, 2012 12:38 pm

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Dune has it, you should know that

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Aiynzahev - Mon Jun 04, 2012 3:18 pm

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Well Dunes FAT mode gives you 7 detuned saws per OSC of which there are two. Times 8 Unison.

14*8 = 112. Then if you want to count the sub osc thats another 8 giving 120 total.

The Virus' hypersaw however is up to 9 saws per osc (2) + sub saw. Thats 19 per note. You then have a unison of 16 that can be applied. Thats 304 saws per voice.

Elextrax gives you 10 per osc with their ultrasaw (which is not stereo spreadable) with 3 oscs per voice giving you 30. Across 4 layers thats 120 per voice (like DUNE). However I jut realized that unlike their other synths Electrax has no unsion feature!I thought it had it.

Mind you, Zebra has 11 per osc.

But do you really need all those saws? A man can never have too many saws..

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TheoM - Mon Jun 04, 2012 5:57 pm

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what i meant was if you wanted an ANALOG sound there were better options..
obviously diva

and surprisingly this has not been mentioned yet but Synthix and PolyKb from xils-lab.com

please check those two out!!!

if you truly want the virus sound, there is one real option.

buy a virus.

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pzhuravel - Mon Jun 04, 2012 6:00 pm

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The whole point of this topic was to avoid doing so but this weekend my buddy is bringing his over and I'll have a weekend to play with it. But from what he told me and he knows what I'm looking for virus may not be what I want.. Diva
Most likely is

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TheoM - Mon Jun 04, 2012 6:26 pm

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please do check the xils stuff as well. completely different to diva,.

my sincere advise is to grab diva and synthix.

if you were considering spending the money on the virus you can get these two and still have change to spare.

i have a feeling you will really love the synthix!!

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pzhuravel - Mon Jun 04, 2012 6:31 pm

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I'll get the demo thank you sir. I'm also picking up zebra.. Trying it out and it sounds stunning as well

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Aiynzahev - Mon Jun 04, 2012 7:31 pm

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Well just one more thing, you know if you wan't analog sound and you were going to buy a virus at what $900 for the snow? You can pick up a DSI Mopho or Tetra with 4 voices or a Moog synth for that money.

Then you will have the real deal!

+1 for Zebra though it is stunning.

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pzhuravel - Mon Jun 04, 2012 9:36 pm

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Again by analog I ment organic and warm not nessesraly moogy. Although I like the warm nature of analog sound it isn't my only priority. I'm looking for something that sounds lush warm and organic sort of speak.. I know ti is able to provide that being a long user of virus powercore. I no longer have it and was looking for something like it. Being that virus is a va instrument I figured there are vi's that will be able to compete and zebra along with deva is so far the only vi's that I have found to be able to come very close to what I'm looking though not nessesraly being a virus but they have many things I'm looking for in a synth. I think sylenth will be another one of the contenders. I bought dcam recently and it is a good one as well but not everything im looking for.. Hope you guys get a better idea of what it is I'm trying to find..

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Richard_Synapse - Tue Jun 05, 2012 5:43 am

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With linear tuning, unlike the JP-8000 and Dune. This is a very important aspect shaping the supersaw sound, whether the cap is 100 or 5000 saws is largely irrelevant. Also note the JP-8000 could do no more than 14 saws (and that only using both parts), and it's still a popular machine.

Richard

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Aiynzahev - Tue Jun 05, 2012 1:10 pm

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Well it gets to the point where it really doesn't matter how many saws because it sounds like noise, like you said. However I didn't realise that DUNE did not use linear detune. Care to explain this a little more? Is this the FAT detune or the Unison or both?

Also I personally feel the key is stereo unison. A hyper-ultra-uber-mega-giga-saw that is mono just does not sound as big.

It's really not easy to get it spread with effects. It's not the same. One of the things I love about the Unison on Dune is how it just instantly makes things large and powerful sounding. One of the things I imagine makes the Virus as versatile.

Sylenth1 for example has detune per osc but no overall unison. It creates a different effect. Unison can make a sort of overall glue to the sound and a nice stereo image.

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pzhuravel - Tue Jun 05, 2012 1:41 pm

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How do you guys feel about rob papens synths?

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Richard_Synapse - Tue Jun 05, 2012 1:57 pm

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Sure- by default, FAT is nonlinear, while Unison is linear. Since the tuning can be changed per unison voice, Unison tuning can be made nonlinear, too.



Yeah. While unison is a feature around since ages, the Virus was probably the first synth to remove the restrictions of old hardware (ie unison=playing all voices at once, removing polyphony, little to no control over the sound) and actually make it a useful feature, particularly in combination with pan spread. DUNE further extends this concept and allows any parameter to be changed in unison mode, not just the tuning and panorama.

Richard

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Aiynzahev - Wed Jun 06, 2012 3:19 am

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Oh, how do you do that?

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mcnoone - Wed Jun 06, 2012 4:50 am

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Using the mod matrix to have different tunings on each voice.
I'm pretty sure that's what was meant here.

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Aiynzahev - Wed Jun 06, 2012 5:21 am

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Oh okay. Thanks

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mcnoone - Wed Jun 06, 2012 5:24 am

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Also different detune settings for each voice as well.

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Richard_Synapse - Fri Jun 08, 2012 10:58 am

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Yes, exactly, you can e.g. put

"Const" "+10" "Pitch Fine" "1"

into the mod matrix to change the fine tuning of just the first voice.

Richard

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pzhuravel - Sat Jun 09, 2012 6:50 pm

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Okay guys now this is my verdict my buddy just dropped off a virus TI for me to play with over this weekend and I spent about three hours with it and to tell you honestly I am done buying software synthesizers, all this synthesizes that you've mentioned most I downloaded demos and while most of them sound pretty good especially diva and I might pick that one up everything else doesn't even come close to what the virus TI can offer now this is merely my opinion but since I started this post I wanted to see what you guys think comes close, and some of the synthesizer are pretty Funtastic but all of them are not quiet the TI. Perhaps I was looking for a certain sound that TI has and the others don't I am not quite sure but TI is a true winner. Hands-down case is closed

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