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cyberheater - Mon Jun 18, 2012 6:54 am

Looking forward to this.

Quote:

lionscub68 - Mon Jun 18, 2012 6:59 am

oooooooo boy

Xenos - Mon Jun 18, 2012 7:03 am

Cool! The quality of TAL plugins is legendary as far as freeware goes. I've always recommended them to friends getting started with their plugin collections. It's amazing what you can get for free these days.

Bronto Scorpio - Mon Jun 18, 2012 7:06 am

Xenos wrote:

+1
I'm looking forward to this one Smile

The GUI seems to look really nice so far Smile

Cheers
Dennis

BDeep - Mon Jun 18, 2012 7:21 am

Actually, this one won't be free:

Quote:

It will be our first commercial product. We invested to much hard work to make this open source and we had to buy an official JUCE license for this product. As JUCE is the coolest plugin framework Smile

People that donated 17$ or more until the 11.06.2012 will get a free license as a thank-you. The plugin will be available in a few weeks and we promise that it won't be expensive.

I'm looking forward to this, I hope that they'll release a reworked sh101 emulation next.

U-o - Mon Jun 18, 2012 7:23 am

Oh my... like the GUI. How it sounds?

braj - Mon Jun 18, 2012 7:30 am

U-o wrote:

Oh my... like the GUI. How it sounds?

The old one sounded really good so I'm guessing this will sound great Smile

I hope the CPU load is fairly low and then this will definitely be one of my favorites Smile

olikana - Mon Jun 18, 2012 7:31 am

the uno62 was allready decent...this will be as good as the real thing i bet!

Teksonik - Mon Jun 18, 2012 7:39 am

Really looking forward to this! TAL plugins are always top quality. I've never regretted selling my Juno 60 but now I can have it back..... Smile

braj - Mon Jun 18, 2012 7:44 am

I'LL BE GIVING THEM MY $17! Very Happy

EDIT: just did it, I would suggest everyone send them some love Love

robenestobenz - Mon Jun 18, 2012 7:48 am

Good on 'em, I hope it does well - the TAL stuff is great on the whole. The filter on Bassline... mmmm.

Also, not big on the Juno sound myself, but I checked out the vs file and in more cases than not I preferred the sound of the plugin.

braj - Mon Jun 18, 2012 7:55 am

Quote:

We currently work on a new Juno-60 emulation with a fully rewritten new engine and GUI. Up to date zero feedback delay filters and carefully calibrated controls make this synth a good replacement for the analog device with all the advantages software plugins have. It's even possible to recreate old Juno patches from an existing patch sheet. As an addition, the TAL_U-NO-LX also supports portamento and different LFO waveforms and some more useful features. An arpeggiator with different sync modes and hold function is also included. This new version will also be available as 64bit OSX AU and VST plugin. It was hard to calibrate a synth that has different envelope times on every voice, but we even copied this to some degree Smile

Following wave file compares the sound of the Juno-60 HW to the emulation. The HW always plays first:

http://kunz.corrupt.ch/downloads/juno_vs_u-no.wav

GaryG - Mon Jun 18, 2012 7:57 am

braj wrote:

I'LL BE GIVING THEM MY $17! Very Happy

EDIT: just did it, I would suggest everyone send them some love Love

I read that as those who donated in the past would get a license:

"People that donated 17$ or more until the 11.06.2012"

Very nice of you to donate now but not sure you'll get a free license out of it...?

braj - Mon Jun 18, 2012 8:01 am

GaryG wrote:

braj wrote:

I'LL BE GIVING THEM MY $17! Very Happy

EDIT: just did it, I would suggest everyone send them some love Love

Oh well I'll take my chances, they deserve it anyhow. I'll email him and ask.

Teksonik - Mon Jun 18, 2012 8:02 am

Think it won't be out until November? HiHi

Oh you're in Europe....... Razz

braj - Mon Jun 18, 2012 8:05 am

Teksonik wrote:

Think it won't be out until November? HiHi

Oh you're in Europe....... Razz

day is first there, so June 11 2012

BTW i still suggest anyone who uses the TAL products to donate something Smile

If I get no free license or discount that is fine, my bad, live and learn but I definitely don't feel bad for supporting a dev that has given away their hard work for years.

stanlea - Mon Jun 18, 2012 8:36 am

I just hope that there will be a Linux version, just like Noisemaker.

Teksonik - Mon Jun 18, 2012 8:44 am

braj wrote:

Teksonik wrote:

Think it won't be out until November? HiHi

Oh you're in Europe....... Razz

day is first there, so June 11 2012

Yea I know...like in Europe (and most other sensible areas as well)(notice the smileys?)...... Razz

I don't know why we Yanks do it Month Day Year...completely backwards....... Shrug

robenestobenz - Mon Jun 18, 2012 8:50 am

Teksonik wrote:

braj wrote:

Teksonik wrote:

Think it won't be out until November? HiHi

Oh you're in Europe....... Razz

day is first there, so June 11 2012

Yea I know...like in Europe (and most other sensible areas as well)(notice the smileys?)...... Razz

I don't know why we Yanks do it Month Day Year...completely backwards....... Shrug

It's bizarre. Or do it as the Japanese do and use year, month, day. That's even better in computerland, because it means dated files will be properly sorted.

braj - Mon Jun 18, 2012 8:50 am

Teksonik wrote:

braj wrote:

Teksonik wrote:

Think it won't be out until November? HiHi

Oh you're in Europe....... Razz

day is first there, so June 11 2012

Yea I know...like in Europe (and most other sensible areas as well)(notice the smileys?)...... Razz

I don't know why we Yanks do it Month Day Year...completely backwards....... Shrug

Because we're AMERICANS! same reason we seldom kick a ball in 'football'. (I'm not actually an American, I'm an ET but shhhh, don't tell anyone).

Kriminal - Mon Jun 18, 2012 8:53 am

looks interesting, wonder what the price will be

his other work is very good.

breakmixer - Mon Jun 18, 2012 10:56 am

braj wrote:

I'LL BE GIVING THEM MY $17! Very Happy

EDIT: just did it, I would suggest everyone send them some love Love

I just sent them $24 to qualify, then realised I made the same boo-boo as yourself, but luckily for me I have already donated $25 to them before that said date(a little above the $17, well $ Cool

, So I've now donated $49 to them in total.

Seems well worth it though(like you not bothered about my mistake) - the demo's sound great Smile

maxxxter - Mon Jun 18, 2012 11:13 am

breakmixer wrote:

...the demos sound great Smile

There, I fixed that for you.

Regarding the upcoming TAL Juno, I'm really excited. I love TAL products!

breakmixer - Mon Jun 18, 2012 11:17 am

maxxxter wrote:

breakmixer wrote:

...the demos sound great Smile

There, I fixed that for you.

Regarding the upcoming TAL Juno, I'm really excited. I love TAL products!

You've lost me, i said that, not braj,

Confused

'demos', I put 'demo's', is that what you are refering too,

Shocked

Oh dear you just edited it...now it's correct.

maxxxter - Mon Jun 18, 2012 11:19 am

breakmixer wrote:

'demos', I put 'demo's', is that what you are refering too,

Shocked

Oh dear you just edited it...now it's correct.

yes, being from UK, you should know that.

breakmixer - Mon Jun 18, 2012 11:24 am

maxxxter wrote:

breakmixer wrote:

'demos', I put 'demo's', is that what you are refering too,

Shocked

Oh dear you just edited it...now it's correct.

yes, being from UK, you should know that.

yeh coz we talk proper in the uk all the time Laughing

braj - Mon Jun 18, 2012 11:33 am

breakmixer wrote:

maxxxter wrote:

breakmixer wrote:

'demos', I put 'demo's', is that what you are refering too,

Shocked

Oh dear you just edited it...now it's correct.

yes, being from UK, you should know that.

yeh coz we talk proper in the uk all the time Laughing

Hahaha! Even your Queen talks funny if you ask me!

breakmixer - Mon Jun 18, 2012 11:37 am

braj wrote:

breakmixer wrote:

maxxxter wrote:

breakmixer wrote:

'demos', I put 'demo's', is that what you are refering too,

Shocked

Oh dear you just edited it...now it's correct.

yes, being from UK, you should know that.

yeh coz we talk proper in the uk all the time Laughing

Hahaha! Even your Queen talks funny if you ask me!

Actually, I heard she speaks the Queens English fluently!

Back on topic...

This synth sounds knockout from the comparisons Cool

Trahast - Mon Jun 18, 2012 11:41 am

breakmixer wrote:

Actually, I heard she speaks the Queens English fluently!

Actually, shouldn't that be the Queen's English?

(Sorry, couldn't resist... HiHi

)

breakmixer - Mon Jun 18, 2012 11:45 am

Trahast wrote:

breakmixer wrote:

Actually, I heard she speaks the Queens English fluently!

Actually, shouldn't that be the Queen's English?

(Sorry, couldn't resist... HiHi

)

LMFAO

Timfonie - Mon Jun 18, 2012 3:30 pm

(double post)

Timfonie - Mon Jun 18, 2012 3:33 pm

B.t.w. people did you hear the audio example? It sounds very convincing.

JimmiG - Mon Jun 18, 2012 11:09 pm

Sounds very nice, but it annoys me that *everyone* suddenly has got to have zero delay feedback filters. A couple of months ago, no one even knew what the term meant. Now it's the new buzzword Aaaargghhh

If it's as CPU-intensive as Diva, I would have to upgrade my computer.. but then it would be cheaper to just get a real Juno...

mcnoone - Tue Jun 19, 2012 12:11 am

This is really good news.
Love the TAL synths, and fx are good too.

braj - Tue Jun 19, 2012 12:16 am

It is new technology, not just some buzzword. I don't think the "problem" resides with developers here. That a new technology requires new hardware is in no way surprising or disturbing to me. I also hope it is CPU friendly but will be happy as long as it sounds good and is a solid plugin. Making the beat quality sound is the goal, not running on any old computer. We have the old, free, very cpu light version for those machines already.

penguinfromdeep - Tue Jun 19, 2012 12:21 am

robenestobenz - Tue Jun 19, 2012 1:45 am

JimmiG wrote:

I know what you mean, but on the other hand TAL's Noisemaker has had a zero delay filter type since January, so not that sudden. The CPU usage seems okay on my ageing Q6600.

RexXx - Tue Jun 19, 2012 4:21 am

Quote:

People that donated 17$ or more until the 11.06.2012 will get a free license as a thank-you.

Got a mail from Patrick:
This thank-you is only for "old" donors until 11.06.2012 (european date format).
It's a thank-you for their support in the past.
The final price for U-NO-LX won't be very high.

JimmiG - Tue Jun 19, 2012 4:28 am

braj wrote:

That depends on who you listen to. According to some developers, most synths have had zero delay feedback filters for many years.. But that's a discussion for another thread HiHi

Also I'm all for new technology - but can't we use that new technology for something other than emulating mid-range keyboards from the early 1980's and 70's? Wink

Timfonie - Tue Jun 19, 2012 4:53 am

JimmiG wrote:

Also I'm all for new technology - but can't we use that new technology for something other than emulating mid-range keyboards from the early 1980's and 70's? Wink

Taking these machines as to be copied examples the current state of the best VA algorithms can be shown. A succesful comparison with the original hardware is an extra boost to the perception of analog quality, whereas an equaly good but new and original synth sounds just 'good'. It's also more likely a vst synth developer has got a midrange analog synth from that era to analyze, instead of an expensive top range one.

That said, yeah, I'm all in for a Alesis Andromeda clone. Very Happy

Teksonik - Tue Jun 19, 2012 5:04 am

JimmiG wrote:

Also I'm all for new technology - but can't we use that new technology for something other than emulating mid-range keyboards from the early 1980's and 70's? Wink

You make a good point and I'll add why emulate anything at all? Let's look forward and see what new instruments and sounds we can create.........

robenestobenz - Tue Jun 19, 2012 5:06 am

Just out of interest, did anyone else prefer the plugin to the HW in the sound example?

Listening to it again, the only thing that ain't so great is that the plugin's attack and decay sound flabbier (or slower/more gentle, hell knows) to me. Particularly noticeable in the two example sounds that play from 4:45.

lionscub68 - Tue Jun 19, 2012 5:36 am

For the A/B Comparison:
It sounds great to me. I used to own a Juno-60. What's weird is not hearing noise when you're not playing, if you know what I mean. Man, I'm getting old. However I did notice the VST seemed ever-so-slightly brighter than the hardware. VERY slightly. Also, the attack seemed just a tad steeper -- but these are both very subjective opinions since I can't see the settings on either the hardware or the VST, so as far as I know one of the settings is off a micron or two.

Having said that, I believe this emulation is spot-on so far to my ears. After all, we have to assume not every Juno-60 sounded exactly the same due to the nature of analog components, correct?

I wish there was a little bit more public knowledge, or longer time span to donate the $17. If I had known about it before 6/11, I would have participated. I'm on KVR nearly every day and I never heard about this until I stumbled on it yesterday or so.

Suggestion:
Please please please make it easy to add 3rd party sounds, particularly for Mac users. I never could figure out how to add patches in the old U-NO-60 Audio Unit. I've since switched to using more VSTs whenever possible since I switched from Logic to Live 8, but still can't figure out how to add patches. Also, please add a drop-down patch selection within the GUI itself, without having to rely on the Host.

On a side note:
After you are done with this new and improved Juno-60 emulation?
I'll pay you in advance to help out this fella here to finish up and then MAKE A MAC VERSION.
Smile

osiris - Tue Jun 19, 2012 6:02 am

I can't get audio example to play.

robenestobenz - Tue Jun 19, 2012 6:15 am

osiris wrote:

I can't get audio example to play.

I had to download it. Might be because it's 100mb.

olikana - Tue Jun 19, 2012 6:28 am

lionscub68 wrote:

I wish there was a little bit more public knowledge, or longer time span to donate the $17. If I had known about it before 6/11, I would have participated. I'm on KVR nearly every day and I never heard about this until I stumbled on it yesterday or so.
Smile

that's the whole point....noone knew.
it's just a kind gesture from patrick to thank all who donated to him over the years for his freeware plugins (and i'm glad i did! Very Happy

)
anyway my guess it will not cost much more than 17$ anyway...
maybe if more people had donated to him over the years he would have released this one for free too.

bpblog - Tue Jun 19, 2012 7:18 am

the demo sounds fantastic, can't wait for this one.

braj - Tue Jun 19, 2012 7:27 am

I had a Juno in the 80's and have wanted a one again ever since. This is the next best thing Smile

BTW I already have Diva so this might be redundant so I'm thinking the onboard arp and hopefully reasonable CPU make it more attractive to use for me for Juno sounds. Diva is really begging me for a new computer. Anyhow when you love synths having two Junos is no problem at all.

There are plenty of developers making unique new synths, I do not see any harm in having emulations too. The Junos may have been mid-range but they were not mediocre and the sound is loved by many. I'm eager to try this out Smile

Teksonik - Tue Jun 19, 2012 7:32 am

braj wrote:

There are plenty of developers making unique new synths, I do not see any harm in having emulations too.

There are plenty of developers doing emulations (count them).

braj wrote:

The Junos may have been mid-range but they were not mediocre and the sound is loved by many.

Which is why you sold yours.... HiHi

I sold mine and never regretted it....well I guess I regret not waiting a couple of decades and getting twice as much for it but other than that.... still for nostalgia's sake I'll probably buy this emulation.

braj - Tue Jun 19, 2012 7:37 am

I sold mine because I needed the money for drugs Smile

no actually I gave it away and lived on the road out of a backpack following the Grateful Dead for a few years. And yeah I was on drugs.

George - Tue Jun 19, 2012 7:41 am

JimmiG wrote:

If it's as CPU-intensive as Diva, I would have to upgrade my computer.. but then it would be cheaper to just get a real Juno...

A zero-delay feedback filter does not relate to high CPU usage. That's up to DSP code and optimization quality.

Teksonik - Tue Jun 19, 2012 7:52 am

braj wrote:

I sold mine because I needed the money for drugs Smile

no actually I gave it away and lived on the road out of a backpack following the Grateful Dead for a few years. And yeah I was on drugs.

Oh well if you sold it for drugs then that's ok........ HiHi

I sold mine for money........ Razz

braj - Tue Jun 19, 2012 7:58 am

Teksonik wrote:

braj wrote:

I sold mine because I needed the money for drugs Smile

no actually I gave it away and lived on the road out of a backpack following the Grateful Dead for a few years. And yeah I was on drugs.

Oh well if you sold it for drugs then that's ok........ HiHi

I sold mine for money........ Razz

Honestly I wouldn't want the hardware back, its really a PITA to be honest, just the sound is good enough for me, and plugins give me that for way cheaper than getting and maintaining the dinosaurs. I bought OP-X II for example because I could never afford a real Oberheim back in the day, definitely can't now, maybe there's a ton of nostalgia involved but hey I'm nostalgic. I'm ok with that. Does it make the OP-X any less of a great synth that it is an emulation? Not in my opinion.

lionscub68 - Tue Jun 19, 2012 8:01 am

and that, sir, is why I'm just dyin' for a (macintosh) Roland JX8P or JX-10 true emulation.

Ingonator - Tue Jun 19, 2012 10:58 am

lionscub68 wrote:

and that, sir, is why I'm just dyin' for a (macintosh) Roland JX8P or JX-10 true emulation.

https://sites.google.com/site/mlvst0/

EDIT:
Oops, i missed you are on a Mac, sorry. Embarassed

Ingo

lionscub68 - Tue Jun 19, 2012 11:07 am

I mentioned that these two developers should join forces.
Get everything out cross-platform... and high-quality.
I'd pay handsomely for a Roland VSTi collection. Smile

I have been running Martin's JX8P emulation on the Mac via vfx's V-Machine software. It's awesome but next to impossible to save my personal patches in V-Machine, make any routing changes (midi or audio) in V-Machine to use in a multi-VST setup in Logic or Live, etc. So basically I've got it working as a standalone synth with no ability to save any banks. It's better than nothing. But I'd love to have it all! Smile

ZonderP - Tue Jun 19, 2012 1:48 pm

Ingonator wrote:

lionscub68 wrote:

and that, sir, is why I'm just dyin' for a (macintosh) Roland JX8P or JX-10 true emulation.

https://sites.google.com/site/mlvst0/

EDIT:
Oops, i missed you are on a Mac, sorry. Embarassed

Ingo

According to the developer (Martin Lüder) a MAC VST version for the JX8P emulation 'PG8X' is planned. Currently he is just completely rewriting the code so that this will be possible in the future.
See http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=310856, pages 1..., 34-36

djanthonyw - Tue Jun 19, 2012 2:03 pm

If anymore Roland gear is going to be emulated, I think someone should do a JV-1080 or similar rompler, there are hardly any true romplers in the software world.

mumpcake - Tue Jun 19, 2012 8:38 pm

djanthonyw wrote:

If anymore Roland gear is going to be emulated, I think someone should do a JV-1080 or similar rompler, there are hardly any true romplers in the software world.

darsho - Wed Jun 20, 2012 5:00 am

djanthonyw wrote:

If anymore Roland gear is going to be emulated, I think someone should do a JV-1080 or similar rompler, there are hardly any true romplers in the software world.

they are very cheap on e-bay, between 100 EUR and 150 EUR.
No need to emulate gear that is available and cheap.

zvenx - Wed Jun 20, 2012 5:06 am

darsho wrote:

djanthonyw wrote:

If anymore Roland gear is going to be emulated, I think someone should do a JV-1080 or similar rompler, there are hardly any true romplers in the software world.

they are very cheap on e-bay, between 100 EUR and 150 EUR.
No need to emulate gear that is available and cheap.

some of us, I might even go as far and say many of us, use software not because it's cheaper, but because it is way more flexible and workflow wise way ahead of using the hardware version.

rsp

lionscub68 - Wed Jun 20, 2012 5:14 am

mumpcake beat me to this comment about copyright:
all romplers are based on a copyrighted sample set that's burned onto a ROM.

I've been wanting a Roland D50 and Yamaha CS1x emulation as well, but they are both romplers as well. So pretty much any synth built from 1988-1998 from Yamaha, Roland, or Korg won't have a VST emulation.

One exception being Korg very own M1 / Digital Legacy and Wavestation VSTs.
Smart move on their part!

Roland had a virtual sound canvas back around 2000? (not sure of the year) which was neat for about 5 minutes, before you realized the entire Sound Canvas series was a General MIDI soundset on steroids. For those not in the know, Apple contracted with Roland an incorporated a similar soundset into Mac OS (8? 9? and then OSX) for a lightweight GM soundset you'll hear when you drag-n-drop an internet-ready midi file onto Quicktime 7.

So in closing:
I wonder about the synths that are in the gray area of Rompler-dom...
What about the Roland JD-800, which has sampled analog waveforms?
Or the SH-201? or Gaia?

I just want a virtual Roland analog series; once again like Korg did with their Legacy VSTs.

Which is a healthy family: Juno 1/2, Juno 106, JX3P, Juno-6/60, Jupiter 4/6/8 (the 8 has been done already but isn't quite spot-on), and the JX8P / JX-10 / MKS-70.

Between TAL and Martin we'll have two more of these classic Rolands.

darsho - Wed Jun 20, 2012 6:07 am

zvenx wrote:

darsho wrote:

djanthonyw wrote:

If anymore Roland gear is going to be emulated, I think someone should do a JV-1080 or similar rompler, there are hardly any true romplers in the software world.

they are very cheap on e-bay, between 100 EUR and 150 EUR.
No need to emulate gear that is available and cheap.

some of us, I might even go as far and say many of us, use software not because it's cheaper, but because it is way more flexible and workflow wise way ahead of using the hardware version.

rsp

interesting.
tbh, I never thought of that.

The years where I used only software, it was always because I was pretty broke and had no room for hardware.
First thing I did when I had more room and some money, was start buying me hardware gear again Wink

I still use a couple of softies though, I got so accustomed to them in my ITB years.

But everybody has a different opinion about a good workflow and what is the most fun for him, I understand that.
I look at a computer all day at work and I am just so happy to turn on my MPC and a couple of synths in the evening, without looking at a computer screen and touching a mouse. If I had a different job, I might not mind so much, possibly.

zvenx - Wed Jun 20, 2012 6:22 am

I too am always intrigued by others work flow..... and I am quite happy that apart from my acoustical/electrical instruments, and of course pre-amps and tracking compressors etc I am mostly ITB...
For me, that you can use almost unlimited instances, so easy to recall, so easy to edit stuff, so easy to bounce audio, so devoid of noise, etc etc, make for me software a better option. And to be honest, I haven't recently heard any hardware that's still available for purchase that for my taste sounds better than the software synths I own...well maybe except the studio electronics stuff, but those are want more than needs....

I live in Jamaica, and I use to really look forward to my trips to the USA to go hang out in a music store for the entire day to play hardware etc....
I can safely say for the past almost a year of visits to Guitar Center etc, my visits have become shorter and shorter, and it has now reached the point when there is no hardware in there that I really need (there will always be a want Smile

)).

but yes my workflow is best for me, not for you and it shouldn't etc.

rsp

braj - Wed Jun 20, 2012 12:38 pm

I can imagine my wife's shock, horror or whatever if I had as many physical synths as I have softsynths. So for me a big part of it is to keep it on the down-low. A $100 here and there is a lot less than $1500 here and there.

anotherstephen - Fri Jun 22, 2012 10:22 am

Another +1 for Linux! I've "only" got loomer aspect and yoshimi Smile

and a Juno would be great.

JPQ - Fri Jun 22, 2012 5:46 pm

darsho wrote:

djanthonyw wrote:

If anymore Roland gear is going to be emulated, I think someone should do a JV-1080 or similar rompler, there are hardly any true romplers in the software world.

they are very cheap on e-bay, between 100 EUR and 150 EUR.
No need to emulate gear that is available and cheap.

To some me i dont have room such i think and here where i live they are more pricey and thing and all dreamers simply cannot get machine i sure...

_leras - Fri Jun 22, 2012 11:47 pm

djanthonyw wrote:

If anymore Roland gear is going to be emulated, I think someone should do a JV-1080 or similar rompler, there are hardly any true romplers in the software world.

You mean like Rapture or Dimension Pro, by Cakewalk, who are Roland...?

D'oh!

Kriminal - Fri Jun 22, 2012 11:54 pm

zvenx wrote:

darsho wrote:

djanthonyw wrote:

If anymore Roland gear is going to be emulated, I think someone should do a JV-1080 or similar rompler, there are hardly any true romplers in the software world.

they are very cheap on e-bay, between 100 EUR and 150 EUR.
No need to emulate gear that is available and cheap.

some of us, I might even go as far and say many of us, use software not because it's cheaper, but because it is way more flexible and workflow wise way ahead of using the hardware version.

rsp

darsho - Sat Jun 23, 2012 1:50 am

anotherstephen wrote:

Another +1 for Linux! I've "only" got loomer aspect and yoshimi Smile

and a Juno would be great.

not sure if you know, but there are some TAL plugins for Linux already :

https://launchpad.net/kxstudio/+announcement/7288

martin_l - Sat Jun 23, 2012 5:21 am

lionscub68 wrote:

I'd pay handsomely for a Roland VSTi collection. Smile

Donate button is on my web page... Wink

lionscub68 wrote:

I have not tried it myself with VFX, but you might be able to save single patches as sysex. In settings, you should be able to switch on sysex and select the pg8x format. When you change the patch, sysex will be sent to MIDI out, so you should be able to record that. If you play that MIDI back to the pg8x, it should load that patch.

Let me know if that works...

And, a mac version is on the way. The native (i.e. C++ and VST SDK) port is coming along well. Still trying to find some bugs in the PC version, and then I will start the MAC port.

Cheers,
Martin

djanthonyw - Sat Jun 23, 2012 5:30 am

zvenx wrote:

darsho wrote:

djanthonyw wrote:

If anymore Roland gear is going to be emulated, I think someone should do a JV-1080 or similar rompler, there are hardly any true romplers in the software world.

they are very cheap on e-bay, between 100 EUR and 150 EUR.
No need to emulate gear that is available and cheap.

some of us, I might even go as far and say many of us, use software not because it's cheaper, but because it is way more flexible and workflow wise way ahead of using the hardware version.

rsp

Exactly.

_leras wrote:

djanthonyw wrote:

If anymore Roland gear is going to be emulated, I think someone should do a JV-1080 or similar rompler, there are hardly any true romplers in the software world.

You mean like Rapture or Dimension Pro, by Cakewalk, who are Roland...?

D'oh!

Yes, but Rapture or Dimension Pro are nothing like a real rompler in regards to sound or workflow.

electro - Sat Jun 30, 2012 5:59 am

TAL-Uno-LX is the best Analog Synth Emulation in existence. Easily VSTI of the year with nothing else even coming close.

Spitfire31 - Sat Jun 30, 2012 6:31 am

Why harping on about this rompler thing? It's been clearly explained that a Roland rompler is never going to happen, unless Roland makes it. Reason: the samples are Roland copyright.

End of story. Rolling Eyes

/Joachim

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djanthonyw wrote:

zvenx wrote:

darsho wrote:

djanthonyw wrote:

If anymore Roland gear is going to be emulated, I think someone should do a JV-1080 or similar rompler, there are hardly any true romplers in the software world.

they are very cheap on e-bay, between 100 EUR and 150 EUR.
No need to emulate gear that is available and cheap.

some of us, I might even go as far and say many of us, use software not because it's cheaper, but because it is way more flexible and workflow wise way ahead of using the hardware version.

rsp

Exactly.

_leras wrote:

djanthonyw wrote:

If anymore Roland gear is going to be emulated, I think someone should do a JV-1080 or similar rompler, there are hardly any true romplers in the software world.

You mean like Rapture or Dimension Pro, by Cakewalk, who are Roland...?

D'oh!

Yes, but Rapture or Dimension Pro are nothing like a real rompler in regards to sound or workflow.

djanthonyw - Sat Jun 30, 2012 6:34 am

They don't have to be the same samples.

maxxxter - Sat Jun 30, 2012 6:44 am

djanthonyw wrote:

They don't have to be the same samples.

Then it's not a Roland rompler "emulation" anymore but just a generic rompler.

If you want such thing, there's always Ravity ( http://www.luxonix.com/home/en/products.html?id=ravityS-screenshot ) or Wusik, Halionsonic or whatever.

Frankly, I'm appalled at the idea of "emulating" a rompler.

I was so happy when the rompler era finished and real synthesizers made a comeback.

izonin - Sat Jun 30, 2012 6:46 am

The guy who made the sounds for Roland D-50 also made Omnishere.

electro - Sat Jun 30, 2012 6:51 am

Roland has to do the Rompler thing themselves just like Korg did with the M1 VSTI. Shouldn't be hard.

Spitfire31 - Sat Jun 30, 2012 7:06 am

djanthonyw wrote:

They don't have to be the same samples.

But then it's not an emulation… Razz

/Joachim

djanthonyw - Sat Jun 30, 2012 8:16 am

Right, sorry for the confusion, but I just meant something comparable.

Funkybot's Evil Twin - Sat Jun 30, 2012 8:58 am

Finally listened to the demo comparing the original to the new TAL version. Very close, but the original has a more well defined attack. You can consistently hear more of an attack transient on the original in almost every example. If they could emulate that, they'd be spot on.

breakmixer - Sat Jun 30, 2012 9:38 am

electro wrote:

TAL-Uno-LX is the best Analog Synth Emulation in existence. Easily VSTI of the year with nothing else even coming close.

How would you know that? Are you a beta tester? Confused

electro - Sat Jun 30, 2012 9:50 am

breakmixer wrote:

electro wrote:

TAL-Uno-LX is the best Analog Synth Emulation in existence. Easily VSTI of the year with nothing else even coming close.

How would you know that? Are you a beta tester? Confused

A very pleased one.

breakmixer - Sat Jun 30, 2012 10:04 am

electro wrote:

breakmixer wrote:

electro wrote:

TAL-Uno-LX is the best Analog Synth Emulation in existence. Easily VSTI of the year with nothing else even coming close.

How would you know that? Are you a beta tester? Confused

A very pleased one.

Aaah, OK, thought so... Smile

I'm looking forward to getting my free copy, I had donated $25 since starting using their stuff, I also donated a further $24 after hearing of this release... Very Happy

PS are you comparing it to D...? HiHi

braj - Fri Jul 06, 2012 12:08 am

Any news on a release date?

JPQ - Fri Jul 06, 2012 12:23 am

I like gui in first post and audiodemo. Maybe even must have for me.

biscuit13 - Fri Jul 06, 2012 12:43 am

demo don't work for me. it shows me a link error (when i tried to download it).
can somebody help me, pls? i can't wait for listen how good this synth is Wink

thx

braj - Fri Jul 06, 2012 1:01 am

I think the site is down.

fmr - Fri Jul 06, 2012 1:04 am

braj wrote:

Because we're AMERICANS! same reason we seldom kick a ball in 'football'. (I'm not actually an American, I'm an ET but shhhh, don't tell anyone).

I never understood why you call that football even. Football was already invented, and spreaded all over the world, and what you play is a rather simplified version of rugby (but with armors).

braj - Fri Jul 06, 2012 1:05 am

fmr wrote:

braj wrote:

Because we're AMERICANS! same reason we seldom kick a ball in 'football'. (I'm not actually an American, I'm an ET but shhhh, don't tell anyone).

I never understood why you call that football even. Football was already invented, and spreaded all over the world, and what you play is a rather simplified version of rugby (but with armors).

Yep, it makes no sense at all.

fmr - Fri Jul 06, 2012 1:18 am

lionscub68 wrote:

Suggestion:
Please please please make it easy to add 3rd party sounds, particularly for Mac users. I never could figure out how to add patches in the old U-NO-60 Audio Unit. I've since switched to using more VSTs whenever possible since I switched from Logic to Live 8, but still can't figure out how to add patches. Also, please add a drop-down patch selection within the GUI itself, without having to rely on the Host.
Smile

This was addressed already. And I have a bank of patches in AUPRESET format that ou can use with U-No-62 already.

Kriminal - Thu Jul 19, 2012 1:12 pm

Whens this out?

Teksonik - Thu Jul 19, 2012 2:06 pm

Kriminal wrote:

Whens this out?

Not soon enough......are you looking forward to giving it an A/B test with Diva? Smile

Kriminal - Thu Jul 19, 2012 10:12 pm

Teksonik wrote:

Kriminal wrote:

Whens this out?

Not soon enough......are you looking forward to giving it an A/B test with Diva? Smile

No, never bother with crap like that. If a synth sounds good i use it, i dont care if it does or doesnt sound like something.

maxxxter - Thu Jul 19, 2012 10:48 pm

frankly, i'm having a bit of a hard on; finally a Juno done right Wink

keenly anticipating Smile

Teksonik - Fri Jul 20, 2012 3:20 am

Kriminal wrote:

Teksonik wrote:

Kriminal wrote:

Whens this out?

Not soon enough......are you looking forward to giving it an A/B test with Diva? Smile

No, never bother with crap like that. If a synth sounds good i use it, i dont care if it does or doesnt sound like something.

Ok fair enough...but the question was not about "sound like" but which sounds better.......DIVA or the new Togu synth..... Shrug

Kriminal - Fri Jul 20, 2012 3:44 am

Teksonik wrote:

Kriminal wrote:

Teksonik wrote:

Kriminal wrote:

Whens this out?

Not soon enough......are you looking forward to giving it an A/B test with Diva? Smile

No, never bother with crap like that. If a synth sounds good i use it, i dont care if it does or doesnt sound like something.

Ok fair enough...but the question was not about "sound like" but which sounds better.......DIVA or the new Togu synth..... Shrug

Define better Razz

jbuonacc - Fri Jul 20, 2012 4:20 am

Teksonik wrote:

Ok fair enough...but the question was not about "sound like" but which sounds better.......DIVA or the new Togu synth..... Shrug

i think you'd be hard pressed find anyone that says the new TAL synth sounds better than Diva, even if it somehow does. the hype surrounding Diva is just too great, everyone's blinded by it. if it weren't emulating the classic synths that it is, i don't think half the people that think it's the best thing since softsynths dropped would even be interested in it.

Trakstar - Fri Jul 20, 2012 4:27 am

jbuonacc wrote:

Teksonik wrote:

Ok fair enough...but the question was not about "sound like" but which sounds better.......DIVA or the new Togu synth..... Shrug

The new tal synth sounds better than Diva Confused

Teksonik - Fri Jul 20, 2012 5:15 am

Kriminal wrote:

Define better Razz

Touche......ok I'm interested to know which one you think sounds better......when the Togu plugin is released of course. Smile

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