KVR :: Instruments » Real Waveforms [View Original Topic]
There are 75 posts in this topic.

---

Real Waveforms - Fri Jun 22, 2012 4:11 am

---

After a small research evoked by the growing number of "waveforms" topics, we concluded that here at KVR people are highly aware that the single-cycle waveforms had become a very important link in the overall music production.

The above fact, along with the other important ones, including:

- a growing number of synths and effects that use this technology,
- all the better implementation of anti-aliasing algorithms,
- reduced CPU load,
- the infinite variety of sounds, and
- the vast possibilities of application,

are all factors that we think will rapidly shape the future of digital sound.

At Real Waveforms we decided to respond to these future demands, and to provide you the most creative and innovative single-cycle waveforms.
Our waveforms are the result of a fine craftsmanship, carved in years of sound production. And they are definitely - different!

On our website you will find all necessary information, so please make a visit.
You can also download our RW Demo Bank there.

We hope you will express positive attitude about this project.
And of course, we are looking forward to hear you!

Real Waveforms Team

---

George - Fri Jun 22, 2012 4:15 am

---

I tried the demo bank and all of them sounded the same.

---

whyterabbyt - Fri Jun 22, 2012 4:21 am

---

Cue a mod warning or a ban in....5....4...

edit : explanation - the OP started half a dozen identical threads in various forums...

---

D.H. Miltz - Fri Jun 22, 2012 4:25 am

---

[3, 2, 1]

Hi, Real Waveforms.

Please don't spam the forums. That'll get you banned. One introductory thread should do it. I've left this one and deleted the others.

---

Real Waveforms - Fri Jun 22, 2012 4:26 am

---

Hi george!

Thanks for your oppinion, we will wait to hear the others.

Real Waveforms Team

---

Real Waveforms - Fri Jun 22, 2012 4:28 am

---

Uuuups, sorry, won't happen again. We just thought to post in different forums, but this one is the most frequent one, so thanks!

---

George - Fri Jun 22, 2012 4:29 am

---

Okay but I think getting those results in Corona and Discovery Pro won't gather much interest between our customers.

---

Real Waveforms - Fri Jun 22, 2012 4:42 am

---

Maybe it is a little bit early to predict the results
Anyway, the random choice for a demo bank maybe wasn't that good, but nevertheless we think that you can hear a lot of what you can expect with the full library.
In slight differences and variations lies the charm of single-cycle waveforms. As the production goes on, slight differences are becoming more and more obvious and hearable.

Real Waveforms Team

---

thecontrolcentre - Fri Jun 22, 2012 4:45 am

---

---

Real Waveforms - Fri Jun 22, 2012 4:48 am

---

Maybe you can listen to demo waveforms again more closely?
Maybe that was just a first / fast impression?
Anyway, thanks for your notes.

Real Waveforms Team

---

Real Waveforms - Fri Jun 22, 2012 4:50 am

---

You know, after the endless investment of time, they all sound the same to us

---

Real Waveforms - Fri Jun 22, 2012 5:02 am

---

"Different" means that they're not just a sequencies of math formulas, up to zillion waveforms. They're non-standard: sometimes are hand-made, sometimes waveshaped, sometimes modulated, processed, filtered or non filtered, with harmonics modification or leveling, etc. Their final shape is mostly quite unique, and very hard to mimic or construct.
But they can have certain similarites among themselfs, that is true.

---

George - Fri Jun 22, 2012 5:14 am

---

Just try yourself, place them in /waves/user.dwb folder and load. No audible difference.

---

Real Waveforms - Fri Jun 22, 2012 5:22 am

---

Sorry, "/waves/user.dwb folder and load"?
Can you try to open the demo bank in any audio editor, please. Listen it looped.
Maybe the demo format is not adequate for your synth (192KHz/32-bit IEEE float/Mono)?

---

George - Fri Jun 22, 2012 5:25 am

---

Yes, maybe that's the culprit. You should consider delivering them in several rates/bit-depths.

I will do the conversion to 16-bit 44.1Khz by myself and will report you back.

---

whyterabbyt - Fri Jun 22, 2012 5:37 am

---

You realise your website doesnt actually mention what format they're in anywhere. Im not sure if thats a particularly common one for synths.

FWIW, most of the other single-cycle sets out there are available in multiple formats aimed at specific synths.

---

Real Waveforms - Fri Jun 22, 2012 5:37 am

---

Frankly, we didn't took into account the multi-formats option for a demo bank.
You are right, that's missing and can cause a problem for people willing to give it a try.

Do you have any suggestion about the most frequently used formats which we shall incude?

Thanks!

Anyway, just to clarify: the full library access will provide any format you wish.

---

George - Fri Jun 22, 2012 5:43 am

---

They seem to work just fine @ 16-bit 44.1 Khz with Loop Start and End points set to full beginning and end respectively.

Please consider adding a Khz/bit-depth description. I'm sure it will avoid more confusions like these

Best of luck with the product.

---

Real Waveforms - Fri Jun 22, 2012 7:25 am

---

Thanks George!

We listened to your advice and ensure that the RW Demo Bank is available in multiple formats: wav, 2048 samples, 192/96/48/44KHz, 32-bit IEEE float/24-bit/16-bit, mono, with or without sustaining loop.

If you had problems with the previous version, please visit our website again.
And if you still encounter problems with this bank, write to us please!

Thanks!

---

deastman - Fri Jun 22, 2012 7:35 am

---

What synths in particular would you suggest using these with? I'm just curious which ones you've been testing with during development.

---

Real Waveforms - Fri Jun 22, 2012 8:44 am

---

Hi deastman!

Thanks for your interest!

You can use our products with any synth/sampler/effect/tool that can load single-cycle waveforms in any format. There are really plenty of them, and we are sure that a little KVR search can give you much information on this subject.

If you are asking which synths we prefer, we have to disappoint you with our lack of answer: here in Real Waveforms we all agreed not to favor any synth/sampler/effect/tool publicly.

Thanks in advance for your understanding!

---

asseca - Fri Jun 22, 2012 8:52 am

---

All the supplied formats of the RW Demo Bank seems to work fine in WusikStation V7 ...

---

George - Fri Jun 22, 2012 9:07 am

---

Dear Mr. Real Waveforms,

These waveforms are pretty good. Excellent work

Why are you limiting to not target well know synthesizers or samplers? It will only help to get more sales.

For example, I can offer you a direct link from our banks page if you do a .DWB version, which is extremely easy to prepare. I can assist you and guarantee it will take less than 5 minutes.

Here it is a very simple demo I just did using your provided waves http://www.discodsp.net/mp3/realwaveforms_coronademo.mp3

Cheers,
George.

---

Real Waveforms - Fri Jun 22, 2012 9:51 am

---

Thanks George, we really appreciate this oppinion!

George, you will certainly agree with us that "favoring" and "targeting" are different things.
If we are "forced" to favor some product, then we just react the way you saw.
"Targeting" (maybe not the best term ) is another thing, and it is always welcome, for sure.
So, we will be glad to make .DWB format version, and to include a direct link to your banks page on our site.
However, our policy allows this link to be available only to people who bought Real Waveforms Library Access.

A Big Thanks for your time spent for constructive suggestions, comments and demo!

---

Real Waveforms - Fri Jun 22, 2012 10:03 am

---

Hi asseca,
Thank you for the heads up!
Cheers!

---

George - Fri Jun 22, 2012 10:22 am

---

Thanks, I think there was some misunderstanding.

Check your PM inbox

---

Real Waveforms - Fri Jun 22, 2012 12:12 pm

---

George's help here was great, and that is why - as a gift for all DiscoDSP users - we decided to add a .dwb format version of waveforms in RWDemoBank, which you can download from the same location. Also, from now on you will be able to request our waveforms packages in .dwb format anytime!

Thanks George!

---

highkoo - Fri Jun 22, 2012 12:19 pm

---

Cool!

Hey, check out the recent activity in the thread for the DNRCollaborative scw project!
Maybe you guys could help each other out!
http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=349646

Or, maybe you could start another thread and give us a description of your workflow when creating these wavs. A few of us would prolly be pretty interested.

---

Real Waveforms - Fri Jun 22, 2012 1:25 pm

---

Hi highkoo! (2xHQ!)

We are already considering possible options that could be mutually helpful.
If we come up with something good, we shall contact the DNRCollaborative, certainly.



Our "workflow" doesn't need a topic, as it can be described with just one word:
Fun

We really like our profession, and so we have a great time, full of enjoyment, especially when making new waveforms.

Technical or creative aspects of our work:
Sorry, but we are not allowed to talk about the process. Not yet

Cheers and thanks!

---

Real Waveforms - Sat Jun 23, 2012 3:21 pm

---

Bach - "Ave Maria": very lousy format and inadequate music choice for a demo
However, you can (still) hear the raw waveforms from one of our packages.

http://k005.kiwi6.com/hotlink/l6l6riwcx2/rw1dm.mp3

Pure fun. Never before we made such (stu...) thing.
The music has nothing in common with the waveforms...

Only because of a few demo(s) requests, we decided to let it live

Enjoy!

---

Teksonik - Sat Jun 23, 2012 3:54 pm

---

I can confirm the 44-16 Loop files work perfectly in Toxic Biohazard. I'm not a huge fan of single cycle waveforms but these seem very nice. Thanks and good luck......

---

polyslax - Sun Jun 24, 2012 2:00 am

---

These work nicely in the Octatrack as well - good stuff!

---

Real Waveforms - Sun Jun 24, 2012 3:22 am

---

Hi Teksonik and polyslax!
Thank you both for the heads up and pleasant comments!

---

spidergod - Mon Jun 25, 2012 1:04 am

---

Interesting stuff. Wondering about camel audios format (which is .raw files it seems for custom waveforms).

Not sure how easy it is to convert to .raw format?

---

George - Mon Jun 25, 2012 1:45 am

---

Hope some extra promotion will help you

http://www.discodsp.com/news/archive/?id=144

---

Real Waveforms - Mon Jun 25, 2012 3:15 am

---

Thank you George, much appreciate!

---

Real Waveforms - Mon Jun 25, 2012 3:46 am

---

Hi spidergod!

You can visit this page to see how to convert your waves to .raw format, (in this case) used by the Camel Audio Alchemy.

However, you will probably notice that "This is an advanced technique".
We can provide our library files in any format, including .raw.
If you want to try RWDemoBank in .raw format, please visit us latter today to download it. We will post an info here when it is ready - it won't take long, don't worry .

---

spidergod - Mon Jun 25, 2012 5:25 am

---

Thanks and am looking forward to it.

Have looked at the link on the camel site and not sure what advanced audio editing software they are on about?

---

pocvecem - Mon Jun 25, 2012 7:19 am

---

There's already a tool for converting single cycle waveforms for use as oscillators or lfos in Alchemy. Log in to your account at Camelaudio and download "Wave 2 Alchemy for Windows".

Cheers,
Gerald

---

spidergod - Mon Jun 25, 2012 7:34 am

---

[quote="pocvecem"][quote="Real Waveforms"]

---

Real Waveforms - Mon Jun 25, 2012 8:31 am

---

Hi Gerald and spidergod!

Thanks for the heads up!
We do not have an account on Camelaudio.com, so we were not aware of this tool.
We are using our own way...
Please visit us, download our RWDemoBank, and compare the results if you find the time.
We would be pleased to hear your opinion!

Cheers!

---

highkoo - Mon Jun 25, 2012 9:06 am

---

OMG, zorniko's secret software theory in the DNR thread was right!?

---

Real Waveforms - Mon Jun 25, 2012 9:15 am

---

Hi Highkoo!

Can you direct us with a link, and give us a few minutes to read the "secret theory"?

---

highkoo - Mon Jun 25, 2012 9:58 am

---

I think its about the middle of the long DNR thread about their project that I linked above.
It was implied that the project may be of more limited appeal than anticipated due to the existence of custom built privately used software that accomplishes the same goals.
I didnt really buy it, but maybe he works for you.

---

Real Waveforms - Mon Jun 25, 2012 10:02 am

---

Ok, we found it here.
We wouldn't say that the conversion tasks are "just to easy to program" as zorniko claimed.
Other things involved in the creation process could be more demanding, but the bottom line is:
nothing is as simple as it looks.
Anyway, we told enough about the creation process already.
And that is something we can not talk in detail, sorry.

This part of the topic could be a good router

---

Real Waveforms - Mon Jun 25, 2012 10:36 am

---

With all due respect, his approach is not something that would fit with us

---

Real Waveforms - Mon Jun 25, 2012 10:50 am

---

And now, good news

We are quite aware of the value of our work. Objectively. But at the same time, we obtained a series of private emails in which potential customers have complained about the excessive cost (€33 EUR). In these difficult times that is completely understandable.

Since we do not want money at any cost , and mostly enjoy in things that "money just can't buy", we decided that by the end of this year (or even longer?) we will work only to cover our expenses.

The price for an access to our library now stands at €19 EUR!
If you buy it now, it will be valid for life.
You can order waveforms packages in any format you wish.
Every time we release a new waveforms package, you will get it for free.

And that is not all.

From every payment we receive by the end of this year,
we will segregate €5 EUR to support DNR Collaborative
and their Wave Designer project.
Please visit DNR Wave Designer topic here on KVR.

We wish you a pleasant time with these pleasant news

---

highkoo - Mon Jun 25, 2012 1:37 pm

---

Good deal!


Indeed. I did not mean to imply as much.
Its a small world. I just thought maybe someone had peeked in your tool shed.

edit:
The demo samples are great!!

---

Real Waveforms - Tue Jun 26, 2012 1:26 am

---

We have the same opinion

Thanks highkoo!

---

Real Waveforms - Tue Jun 26, 2012 5:54 pm

---

We have just added the eleventh waveforms package (354 files) to our "Modern collection". This brings us to the current total number of 1471 files in the library.

Enjoy the new sounds!

---

Real Waveforms - Wed Jun 27, 2012 11:21 am

---

We worked all day to finish the twelfth waveforms package (133 files).
The "theme" was bit reduction + low harmonics gain.
This is the final part of the "Modern Collection".
1604 files in total.

Another small demo (various packages):
http://k005.kiwi6.com/hotlink/9e4rpmp77w/rw2dm.mp3


Enjoy!

---

Real Waveforms - Thu Jun 28, 2012 4:20 pm

---

Please check the update in this post.

Cheers!

---

Real Waveforms - Sat Jun 30, 2012 6:48 am

---

Hi all!

We have just started working on our new "Harmonics Collection"
Please visit us if you want to download the small preview (5 waveforms).

Cheers, enjoy!

---

rj0 - Mon Jul 02, 2012 11:56 am

---

Hmm, why the requirement for GMail?

---

Real Waveforms - Mon Jul 02, 2012 12:10 pm

---

Hi rj0!

You can access the Library site only if you have a Google account.
Simple as that

Cheers!

---

rj0 - Mon Jul 02, 2012 12:32 pm

---

But why is that?

And why is it necessary to do it that way?

---

Real Waveforms - Mon Jul 02, 2012 12:44 pm

---

Well, what to say... That's the way we work
There is nothing special about opening your Google account.
It's a simple process, really.

---

rj0 - Mon Jul 02, 2012 12:48 pm

---

So you want me to join a social network just to do this?

I need a better explanation!

---

Real Waveforms - Mon Jul 02, 2012 12:55 pm

---

rj0,

We can understand your concern.
But Google is not a "social network".
You can just use your gmail and nothing else

---

rj0 - Mon Jul 02, 2012 1:06 pm

---

Interesting. I've never and needed to set up a particular email account (excluding the Paypal email account for the actual transaction, which you're already getting) for any purchase, ever, so you'll have to forgive me for wondering why such a thing is necessary.

Google (like Facebook) has been in the news a lot recently for privacy and tracking issues. Requirements of a Google email/account thus sets up an immediate red flag.

Would still like a more complete answer.

---

highkoo - Mon Jul 02, 2012 1:15 pm

---

Wild guess:
It is required for the use of //sites.google.com.

Gmail is just a webmail service like hotmail, only so far superior that its a stretch to make that comparison.

---

Real Waveforms - Mon Jul 02, 2012 1:27 pm

---

Sorry rj0, there is no other way to access the library page.
We are using Google because of its safety.
We never had any problems.
If you think that gmail is not safe for some reason(?), then ok, it's your choice not to use it.

By the way, you can use gmail only for this purpose.
You don't have to use it for anything else.

---

Real Waveforms - Mon Jul 02, 2012 2:06 pm

---

A small digression, for those who want to know (wiki mix)

In Greek mythology, Cepheus is the name of two rulers of Ethiopia...
...the story goes...Cepheus was later made into the constellation Cepheus.
One of the constellation stars δ Cephei is the prototype Cepheid variable.
A Cepheid is a member of a class of very luminous variable stars.
Many oscillators, including the human voice, a bowed violin string,
or a Cepheid variable star, are more or less periodic, and so composed of...

...HARMONICS

---

rj0 - Mon Jul 02, 2012 2:06 pm

---

Highkoo,

Thanks, that's more the type of explanation I was looking for.

---

rj0 - Mon Jul 02, 2012 2:26 pm

---

If someone told you that you needed to set up a new email account for a purchase, wouldn't that bother you a little? Would you do it? Would you ask 'why'?

Google is no stranger to privacy and tracking controversies (including subverting browser privacy controls to track users' browsing). Not my idea of an ideal company email source.

I'm not happy with this (nor the vagueness of the explanations). As I already put in the purchase earlier today (only to realize the email requirement), I'm taking you on your word here.

Your buyers/potential buyers still deserve a more complete explanation.



P.S. It doesn't help that my cable company sold both my email address and brand new phone number (and I'm now getting spammed on both) within a day of their new installation recently either.

---

Real Waveforms - Mon Jul 02, 2012 2:36 pm

---

Please don't worry rj0.
As we said, you can use gmail only to comunicate with us.
We hope to hear you soon, cheers!

---

Jesse J - Tue Jul 03, 2012 2:52 am

---

Downloaded the freebies and tested importing them into IL Toxic Biohazard (nice FM synth) as custom waveforms. I got really pleasing results!

Can anyone list / point to a list of some synths that can use these waveforms? I would prefer modular systems. Reaktor ensambles perhaps?

http://soundcloud.com/top10/real-waveforms-for-toxic

---

Real Waveforms - Tue Jul 03, 2012 7:41 am

---

Hi Jesse J!

Thanks for the nice demo and pleasant comments!

As you probably already know, we don't like to favor any particular synthesizer. Maybe people can help here, by writing a couple of suggestions. There are also a few topics that can be found using KVR search engine.

Cheers and thanks!

---

Real Waveforms - Tue Jul 10, 2012 2:01 am

---

Hi all,

we just "bumped" to announce that today we finished the new "Harmonics Indication" collection. It contains 1756 files, divided into 9 waveforms packages. The library now contains 3360 waveforms in total.

Visit and enjoy!

---

Real Waveforms - Tue Jul 10, 2012 1:50 pm

---

You can download free "Harmonics Indication" demo bank (18 waveforms) from the website.

Cheers!

---

George - Wed Jul 11, 2012 3:28 am

---

Here it is a MP3 using our synths and Harmonics Indication DWB demo bank

http://www.discodsp.net/mp3/realwaveforms_harmonic_demo.mp3

Great stuff!

---

Real Waveforms - Wed Jul 11, 2012 12:04 pm

---

George, thanks for always pleasant comments and demos

---

whyterabbyt - Thu Jul 12, 2012 5:20 am

---

How long does is it supposed to take to get download access? Ive heard nothing back since I made my payment yesterday morning.

---

asseca - Thu Jul 12, 2012 8:35 am

---

I have just received a full refund (via PayPal) from Real Waveforms,

-- plus --

Also, the Real Waveforms web-site is now closed.

He has also PM-ed me that he has now stopped with this project.

---

whyterabbyt - Thu Jul 12, 2012 12:33 pm

---

likewise. erm, wtf?

---

There are 75 posts in this topic.