KVR :: Effects » MixControl Pro Discontinued, V2 TBA. [View Original Topic]
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scalawag - Mon Jul 09, 2012 2:03 pm
rlahalla wrote:
Glad everyone has such confidence in my work and vision. It wasn't even supposed to be publicized, but Steven doesn't know how to publish the website's pages since it's done in Wordpress - the entire post was supposed to say "On July 31st we will be discontinuing MixControl Pro, and I will be developing a new version which current users will receive for free." But funny enough, with my luck, only the first part was published. Yes, Micheal Olsen is no longer working with us, and yes, it is near impossible for me to get him to fix anything since his e-mail doesn't work when I email him, so I am going to contract another developer to write MixControl Pro V2 for me when I'm finished with Wave Designer, and everyone who has MCP currently will get MCP V2 for free. Good? f**k, I need to do the web stuff by myself cos it seems that even this content management system is too much for some people. Sorry Steven. The amount of support requests I get for MCP is just unmanageable, and I need a developer who is going to be available to fix bugs when they arise. That will happen, and I'll make sure it does.
http://www.teamdnr.net/mixcontrol/
Trakstar - Mon Jul 09, 2012 2:10 pm
what the! I only just bought this 1 month ago, talk about rip off, id better download all the ones I can then before it goes the way of the dodo. Thanks for the heads up
Nanakai - Mon Jul 09, 2012 2:11 pm
Well, that sucks but it's not like those guys are waist high in cash. From what I could tell, they didn't make much of a profit on anything, so maintaining two pieces of software at once would be a financial drain.
I'll just use it for as long as I can.
3ee - Mon Jul 09, 2012 2:14 pm
What? ..Too bad! ..the next big update would have probably nailed it! (it being one of the best channel strips out there atm)
...anyway, as it is, it's still a very good mixing tool.
Trakstar - Mon Jul 09, 2012 2:15 pm
Nanakai wrote:
Well, that sucks but it's not like those guys are waist high in cash. From what I could tell, they didn't make much of a profit on anything, so maintaining two pieces of software at once would be a financial drain.
I'll just use it for as long as I can.
I'll just use it for as long as I can.
+1. it works on vista and probably 7 upwards, I havent tried them yet so theres a good few years worth of use left in it. I still use my kjaerhus gold suite fx even though kjaerhus went under ages ago.
3ee - Mon Jul 09, 2012 2:17 pm
Trakstar wrote:
what the! I only just bought this 1 month ago, talk about rip off, id better download all the ones I can then before it goes the way of the dodo. Thanks for the heads up
I don't think it's a ripoff as they frequently seemed to have various difficulties with the business, so that's a different story.
Anyway, you can still give it a chance, it's a good mixing tool!
Trakstar - Mon Jul 09, 2012 2:21 pm
3ee wrote:
Trakstar wrote:
what the! I only just bought this 1 month ago, talk about rip off, id better download all the ones I can then before it goes the way of the dodo. Thanks for the heads up
I don't think it's a ripoff as they frequently seemed to have various difficulties with the business, so that's a different story.
Anyway, you can still give it a chance, it's a good mixing tool!
I love it, the EQ is one of the most clearest and sweetest Ive heard and the dynamics are excellent. I chose it over wavearts trackplug but this really upsets me!
bk - Mon Jul 09, 2012 3:10 pm
Trakstar wrote:
this really upsets me!
Why? Do you think it will stop working on August 1st?
If it works for, and sounds good, with no issues, you should feel lucky you got it when you did. It's a keyfile, so no CR to worry about. It should continue to work for you for a long time.
Hell, I'm using a build of Tracktion 3 that's more than 4 years old, on a daily basis. Tracktion users are all just waiting for the day Mackie pulls the plug on that CR server...but until then, I'll continue to use it.
VitaminD - Mon Jul 09, 2012 3:14 pm
pure speculation.. but I suspect their contract dev got a permanent job with another audio house and thus they will be unavailable to work on it anymore.
Resonator63 - Mon Jul 09, 2012 3:33 pm
Shame it's being discontinued.A good and almost great plug-in.
el-bo (formerly ebow) - Mon Jul 09, 2012 3:34 pm
shit
SAW75 - Mon Jul 09, 2012 4:08 pm
not a surprise. they've been flakes about mix control in the past. glad i jumped ship months ago.
you can always tell when a product jumps from $19 to $99 to $79 to $39 to free with another purchase and back around again...
it's a shame for the customer when there is no consistancy.
bduffy - Mon Jul 09, 2012 4:37 pm
Kind of a surprise, yet not. I suspect they gave too many away to previous owners/beta testers. Admirable, but I always wondered if they'd succeed. Looks like another "classic" VST is born! I'm going to re-download my installers & license for safekeeping.
An excellent plug-in, you will be missed.
antithesist - Mon Jul 09, 2012 6:25 pm
Okay, correct any of this if wrong. I bought mixcontrol for $39 when it first came out. I like it a lot, especially the pro update, but I must admit that I don't use it much. I think I have the second to latest version installed. Where I left off, at least the latest version was supposed to have no copy protection at all.
It was hard to follow the development all along because there were combined sales and development threads, some of which don't seem to be around anymore. Also, they shut down their forum here and started their own which last time I checked I couldn't find any trace of.
I believe Michael Olsen is/was the lead developer/programmer, maybe only aside from Lime Flavor on the interface and Reason and company, successors, etc. Michael is of course Sonic Timeworks, Phonoxone, I believe the lead Duende developer (along with Warp69/Martin Lind on the X-Verb) and is now with Camel Audio.
http://www.camelaudio.com/company.php
http://www.phonoxone.com/
http://www.sonictimeworks.com/
It might be a good thing if mixcontrol went to Sonic Timeworks or some other established company, but that would all be up to the parties involved, which I suppose we are tangentially as license holders. The whole thing was sort like a co-op funded effort anyway. Please do add to or correct anything here.
VitaminD - Mon Jul 09, 2012 6:53 pm
Yes.. I was trying to avoid naming names.
I love the concept of Mixcontrol Pro.. but it still crashes in Orion randomly, locking up the entire host. I don't have any plugins that do this these days except for MCP. Which wholly makes it unusable for me.
I ended up buying the T-Racks deluxe package during their sale earlier for the compressors and EQs. They are no where as neat as Mixcontrol and I might still like the cleanness of MCP's EQ more.. but it had some kinks still in it. shame. MCP had a bright future with a few more developments and bug fixes. I hope someone buys the source/licensing and continues devloping it... unless that's CA's plan.. hmm...
GeorgeZ - Mon Jul 09, 2012 9:39 pm
The first few iterations (before the gui redo ala pre pro) were bit wonky but since the last release it's been rock solid for me and I'll continue to use it until it doesn't want to play with my OS or DAW any more and falls over. T'will be a sad day, but I thing I have plenty more years to go!
griffin - Mon Jul 09, 2012 9:46 pm
SAW75 wrote:
not a surprise. they've been flakes about mix control in the past. glad i jumped ship months ago.
you can always tell when a product jumps from $19 to $99 to $79 to $39 to free with another purchase and back around again...
it's a shame for the customer when there is no consistancy.
I bought it from you! To be honest i suspected at the time that this was coming as something just seemed odd, but as long as it works for a few years i can't complain. you can always tell when a product jumps from $19 to $99 to $79 to $39 to free with another purchase and back around again...
it's a shame for the customer when there is no consistancy.
xamido - Tue Jul 10, 2012 12:07 am
Sad Days. My go to channel strip. Gonna go download the installer and keyfile now. Oh well at least i can still use it with my setup now.
chokehold - Tue Jul 10, 2012 12:23 am
Haha, at first I thought the thread was titled "DNR MixControl Pro disCOUNTed"...
I feel a little sad, actually, as I was the guy to suggest them the idea of the "Mix" button in the Gate processor, which made it one of just a few outstanding Gates.
I didn't do any coding, but I still feel like I contributed a wee tiny bit to the whole project, and it speaks for Team DNR a LOT that they listened to me as part of 'their community' and really integrated an idea they didn't have.
So even though I didn't ever really use it, I still bought it (and sold it on a while ago) and supported them, and I really think it's a shame to see this wonderful opportunity for beginners and "easethusiasts" (is what I call people who like all-in-ones) slowly die.
I think if Team DNR decide to remove the Keyfile "lock" once MixControl is discontinued, and still host and distribute it as "discontinued Freeware" that could be a REALLY big step towards "keeping the spirit alive" and would probably get them some attention for their other products.
Anyway, I wish those guys all the best, especially Reason L. who was around here quite a while.
Amon1973 - Tue Jul 10, 2012 12:29 am
Right, the protection was removed altogether in the latest update.
I bought it in the early days (wasn't even a KVR member, IIRC), and still don't regret those 79$... I also beta tested the Pro version and was great to deal with them. Don't use it that much, but it is a great tool, the only all-in-one strip I kept. TeamDNR went through a lot of issues (beyond the company itself), no anger or anything negative from me - just best wishes.
kx.001 - Tue Jul 10, 2012 12:35 am
Amon1973 wrote:
just best wishes.
+lots
CT - Tue Jul 10, 2012 12:54 am
I'm not surprised at all, I too saw this coming for a while.
At least it'll work (hopefully) for a few more years.
Nielzie - Tue Jul 10, 2012 12:56 am
Always a shame when good software products are discontinued
Why not release it as open source then? Would be a great gesture to the community and will keep the project hopefully alive too
jethrobull - Tue Jul 10, 2012 1:31 am
It is a shame,i purchased via here.Its just one of those things.At least it is free from bugs and rock solid for me.
Trakstar - Tue Jul 10, 2012 3:24 am
bk wrote:
Trakstar wrote:
this really upsets me!
Why? Do you think it will stop working on August 1st?
If it works for, and sounds good, with no issues, you should feel lucky you got it when you did. It's a keyfile, so no CR to worry about. It should continue to work for you for a long time.
Hell, I'm using a build of Tracktion 3 that's more than 4 years old, on a daily basis. Tracktion users are all just waiting for the day Mackie pulls the plug on that CR server...but until then, I'll continue to use it.
+1, it was the overall surprise that got me at first. The download I got is just an installer with out any key file. They dropped the copy protection prior to buying it so they must have known about this. So yes, at least ill get a good innings from it and I love it the way it is and bought for $49!!.
(I only hope the samples bundle doesnt go walkies because I have yet to download the full collection, just havent got around to it yet)
Overall... Thanks to teamDNR for some great software.
Compyfox - Tue Jul 10, 2012 3:25 am
Instead of whining and saying "sorry" - did anyone contact TeamDNR and actually asked them if there is another kind of "MixControl" in the pipeline?
IMO, it's still the leading lights of TeamDNR, else they had way too much bad luck with their "collaboration crew".
Guess I'll download and triple backup all current versions. But seeing it as being discontinued makes it pretty much unusable for me in future projects. And I barely used it up until this day.
cyphersuit - Tue Jul 10, 2012 3:39 am
i just want to say thanks for this wonderful tool. love it!
LeVzi - Tue Jul 10, 2012 7:05 am
I guess it's a case of it's gone as far as it can, only reason to support it would be for stability issues, I hope it gets an update before the 31st, that will see it through a while to come. But I guess there will come a time when it just craps out as the hosts get updated.
Will be sad to stop using it then, but until that point comes, it's still my goto CStrip.
GaryG - Tue Jul 10, 2012 7:35 am
I'm struggling to remember how I got a copy (Reason giveaway? Then a free Pro for old customers or something...?)
Maybe people didn't take it seriously due to the pricing erraticness, shame because it's a great sounding bit of software.
softska - Tue Jul 10, 2012 11:29 am
sad, just saw the news.
Not perfect but it gets used very often in my mixes. The compressor/gate w C-165 detection is just a great workhorse.
rlahalla - Tue Jul 10, 2012 12:14 pm
Glad everyone has such confidence in my work and vision. It wasn't even supposed to be publicized, but Steven doesn't know how to publish the website's pages since it's done in Wordpress - the entire post was supposed to say "On July 31st we will be discontinuing MixControl Pro, and I will be developing a new version which current users will receive for free." But funny enough, with my luck, only the first part was published. Yes, Micheal Olsen is no longer working with us, and yes, it is near impossible for me to get him to fix anything since his e-mail doesn't work when I email him (our server's fault), and I wouldn't expect him to because it made him zero income, so I am going to contract another developer to write MixControl Pro V2 for me when I'm finished with Wave Designer, and everyone who has MCP currently will get MCP V2 for free. Good? f**k, I need to do the web stuff by myself cos it seems that even this content management system is too much for some people. Sorry Steven. The amount of support requests I get for MCP is just unmanageable, and I need a developer who is going to be available to fix bugs when they arise. That will happen, and I'll make sure it does.
cyphersuit - Tue Jul 10, 2012 12:19 pm
You shouldn't give it away free to us owners of the actual version. We would pay a small upgrade fee, really. This product is worth money.
rlahalla - Tue Jul 10, 2012 12:19 pm
SAW75 wrote:
not a surprise. they've been flakes about mix control in the past. glad i jumped ship months ago.
you can always tell when a product jumps from $19 to $99 to $79 to $39 to free with another purchase and back around again...
it's a shame for the customer when there is no consistancy.
you can always tell when a product jumps from $19 to $99 to $79 to $39 to free with another purchase and back around again...
it's a shame for the customer when there is no consistancy.
Really? Flakes? Ok.. How about you run a company that for some reason people think is a major player, when indeed it is really just me, now that my pops has Alzheimer's. I got back into this business when I had no reason to. I could have just let the whole thing bomb and all of you could complain. Instead, I jumped out of a hospital bed and made the most of what I could with this company, considering that I've spent almost 6 months fighting to save my life. I could really give a shit less what you think. I did this to make everyone happy, when I could have just said "f**k yourself" like spin audio did.
Debby747 - Tue Jul 10, 2012 12:32 pm
rlahalla wrote:
Glad everyone has such confidence in my work and vision.
What would you have thought reading that title?
Did you know that Garritan's Authorised Steinway has been secretly discontinued?
Without any notice! Although the representatives later joined the discussion to confirm it (and to promise that there will be an update released soon - thanks for that.)
Come on, don't take it personally
Those who use MixControlPro would have been very sad if it was indeed discontinued,
and that should give you confidence in your user-base
Okay, as Compyfox said, it would have been better to first contact you@TeamDNR to find out
what's going on... but where would be all the fun
So there will be v2?
I wouldn't mind a small upgrade fee to further support the development, too.
Greetings
D.
Nielzie - Tue Jul 10, 2012 12:35 pm
cyphersuit wrote:
You shouldn't give it away free to us owners of the actual version. We would pay a small upgrade fee, really. This product is worth money.
+1
If you are going to enhance this great channelstrip plugin, then please do not hesitate to ask an upgrade price!
Simply because it's worth it. The product AND the company that releases it
Debby747 - Tue Jul 10, 2012 12:46 pm
rlahalla wrote:
Instead, I jumped out of a hospital bed and made the most of what I could with this company, considering that I've spent almost 6 months fighting to save my life.
I didn't know things were bad like this
Thank you Reason for continuing! All the best to and your family, mate
Greetings
D.
christianmusicmaker - Tue Jul 10, 2012 12:49 pm
scalawag time to change the thread title maybe?
LeVzi - Tue Jul 10, 2012 12:52 pm
Chuck an upgrade charge on it, no complaint from your userbase, MCP is worth every penny.
V2 to look forward too, can't fault that. Although you can understand why people thought the worst.
BERFAB - Tue Jul 10, 2012 12:53 pm
@rlahalla - FWIW, I think this is a great product, and apparently many others do too. Like others, I was disappointed when I thought it wouldn't be supported further, but that certainly doesn't diminish the quality of the product I bought.
Now, to find out that you ARE committed to further development is great news. Free upgrade or not, rest assured that there are many here that appreciate your commitment and integrity.
Cheers
-B
scalawag - Tue Jul 10, 2012 12:54 pm
christianmusicmaker wrote:
scalawag time to change the thread title maybe?
Done!!!
filkertom - Tue Jul 10, 2012 12:55 pm
+1 on the upgrade fee. You deserve it. As an opening gambit of a suggestion, twenty bucks would be more than fair, I think, and give you some fast cash for your time and trouble.
rlahalla - Tue Jul 10, 2012 1:02 pm
There will be no upgrade fee for current users. That's all I'll say.
scalawag - Tue Jul 10, 2012 1:08 pm
I apologize to all forum users for the misleading information!
I really wish all the best to rlahalla!
+1 for the small fee!
el-bo (formerly ebow) - Tue Jul 10, 2012 1:10 pm
rlahalla wrote:
There will be no upgrade fee for current users. That's all I'll say.
well, i would also have echoed the sentiment to pay for upgrade, however you seem pretty adamant
let us know if we can help out in any other ways during the course of development
paterpeter - Tue Jul 10, 2012 1:12 pm
Woohoo, great to hear that the MCP story continues
reason, you have my best wishes, both for your business and your private life.
I agree that a reasonable upgrade fee would make sense. Worst case: no current user upgrades. So what? That's not worse than providing the upgrade for free.
It's not as if MCP v1 is unusable and wouldn't work without an update. So if you provide sufficient added value in v2 an upgrade fee is justified IMO.
See e.g. the announcement of Kirnu v2. v1 was a great (free) arpeggiator, v2 will add some great new features and will be payware. Sounds like a reasonable path to me.
Not that I want to talk into your business. I'm just trying to show support
I would pay a reasonable upgrade fee.
S-N-S - Tue Jul 10, 2012 1:18 pm
awesome news about a new version
Ghostwave - Tue Jul 10, 2012 1:33 pm
I'll chime in and say that MCP has been, like many here, my go-to channel strip.
I even sold my Fabfilter stuff in favor of MCP.
Just let us know when it's time to request some new features
brok landers - Tue Jul 10, 2012 1:33 pm
rlahalla wrote:
There will be no upgrade fee for current users. That's all I'll say.
Nielzie wrote:
cyphersuit wrote:
You shouldn't give it away free to us owners of the actual version. We would pay a small upgrade fee, really. This product is worth money.
+1
If you are going to enhance this great channelstrip plugin, then please do not hesitate to ask an upgrade price!
Simply because it's worth it. The product AND the company that releases it
indeed, i triple that.
don't dump out great software that way. people have to learn again to value a good product and hard work.
Redspark - Tue Jul 10, 2012 1:41 pm
I will happily pay an upgrade price for v2. It's a great channel strip. I have it on every insert of my default DAW template.
Ah Xoc Kin - Tue Jul 10, 2012 1:43 pm
I'm happy with the lack of upgrade fee, and that does not diminish my appreciation for the software.
IIRC, McDSP has not charged for upgrades as well. Nothing wrong with the products or the approach.
Glad to see that development has not stopped.
Best wishes.
whyterabbyt - Tue Jul 10, 2012 1:48 pm
rlahalla wrote:
There will be no upgrade fee for current users. That's all I'll say.
Consider sticking up an optional donation button then... I think enough people would like to make some effort to assist...
GreyLion - Tue Jul 10, 2012 1:54 pm
whyterabbyt wrote:
rlahalla wrote:
There will be no upgrade fee for current users. That's all I'll say.
Consider sticking up an optional donation button then... I think enough people would like to make some effort to assist...
+1 for whyterabbyt's idea.
Though I still think you should charge about a $20 upgrade fee, at least let some of us show our appreciation in a spendable way....
SAW75 - Tue Jul 10, 2012 2:00 pm
rlahalla wrote:
SAW75 wrote:
not a surprise. they've been flakes about mix control in the past. glad i jumped ship months ago.
you can always tell when a product jumps from $19 to $99 to $79 to $39 to free with another purchase and back around again...
it's a shame for the customer when there is no consistancy.
you can always tell when a product jumps from $19 to $99 to $79 to $39 to free with another purchase and back around again...
it's a shame for the customer when there is no consistancy.
Really? Flakes? Ok.. How about you run a company that for some reason people think is a major player, when indeed it is really just me, now that my pops has Alzheimer's. I got back into this business when I had no reason to. I could have just let the whole thing bomb and all of you could complain. Instead, I jumped out of a hospital bed and made the most of what I could with this company, considering that I've spent almost 6 months fighting to save my life. I could really give a shit less what you think. I did this to make everyone happy, when I could have just said "f**k yourself" like spin audio did.
Like i said... flakes. Pricing problems, confusion at all levels and a guy repeatedly giving his sob story. This is a lot like Dennis from Prodyon and I just can't stomach it. I don't think your personal problems belong in public view when talking about your company. I have my own health problems, real life problems, family and friends to care for... this sort of guilt trip is hideous. I simply don't like your company and really can't trust anything said by TeamDNR.
I was a customer and have had my own experiences. You should be ashamed of your misplaced anger. Clearly there have been plenty of bumps in the road.
whyterabbyt - Tue Jul 10, 2012 2:06 pm
SAW75 wrote:
This is a lot like Dennis from Prodyon
Not in the slightest. Prodyon and variations have upped stake and all-out f**king vanished for 12, 18 months at a time, only to resurface with yet another company name and another website and some new product to pimp. DNR have done nothing of the sort, or even close.
But its good to know to have you filed under 'compassionless twat'.
SAW75 - Tue Jul 10, 2012 2:08 pm
whyterabbyt wrote:
But its good to know to have you filed under 'compassionless twat'.
I thought this was against the rules? Is there a moderator present?
brok landers - Tue Jul 10, 2012 2:26 pm
SAW75 wrote:
whyterabbyt wrote:
But its good to know to have you filed under 'compassionless twat'.
I thought this was against the rules? Is there a moderator present?
are you kiddin' me!? who in the world told _you_ to make the rules in the first place, telling rlhalla what to post in public and what not??? if rlhalla tries to explain his situation (sad enough for him, his situation, i wouldn't what to be in his shoes), he can _whenever_ he likes, just to make thatone as clear as possible.
your post was extraordinary rude in the _first_ place, and you got the nerve to call for a moderator now? gimme a feckin' break... if you bite, don't be afraid to get bitten, that easy... not at last because of people behaving like you kvr became a sad place...
SAW75 - Tue Jul 10, 2012 2:34 pm
brok landers wrote:
SAW75 wrote:
whyterabbyt wrote:
But its good to know to have you filed under 'compassionless twat'.
I thought this was against the rules? Is there a moderator present?
are you kiddin' me!? who in the world told _you_ to make the rules in the first place, telling rlhalla what to post in public and what not??? if rlhalla tries to explain his situation (sad enough for him, his situation, i wouldn't what to be in his shoes), he can _whenever_ he likes, just to make thatone as clear as possible.
your post was extraordinary rude in the _first_ place, and you got the nerve to call for a moderator now? gimme a feckin' break... if you bite, don't be afraid to get bitten, that easy... not at last because of people behaving like you kvr became a sad place...
I think you have me wrong. Perhaps I've spoken wrong. I called no individual a twat and I probably should have been more clear that TeamDNR, as a compnay, has come off flakey in the past. Not any particular individual.
TeamDNR is one of the very few companies that has thoroughly confused me in the past. I do consider them very very flaky and in league with Crysonic and Prodyon. Some may disagree.
mellotronaut - Tue Jul 10, 2012 2:40 pm
brok landers wrote:
... not at last because of people behaving like you kvr became a sad place...
sad place?
gpunk - Tue Jul 10, 2012 3:20 pm
No transfer fee
No protection
Some great updates in pro
Do yourself and everyone else a favour and charge an upgrade fee. Its time policies like those where rewarded even if only by s few dollars an update
VitaminD - Tue Jul 10, 2012 3:28 pm
whyterabbyt wrote:
rlahalla wrote:
There will be no upgrade fee for current users. That's all I'll say.
Consider sticking up an optional donation button then... I think enough people would like to make some effort to assist...
OR a 'pay what you want' upgrade fee campaign. You guys deserve some of the 'fruit' for your labor!
The fact that so many are asking you to take their money is testament to quality of your product.
btw I see FXPansion Etch also crashes when I update the automation with it in Orion.. so I'm starting to wonder if it is more of an Orion thing.. hmmm.
abstractcats - Tue Jul 10, 2012 3:43 pm
rlahalla wrote:
Micheal Olsen is no longer working with us, and yes, it is near impossible for me to get him to fix anything since his e-mail doesn't work when I email him...
Micheal Olsen?...Seems I remember his name from Koblo/Nexsyn. No more email contact? Don't be shocked by that you can't make email contact. The same as with Max Gronlund(Koblo/Nexsyn). Seems these guys are lacing in commitment(to state it nicely) to software/customers.
abstractcats - Tue Jul 10, 2012 3:46 pm
The reports of the demise of Mixcontroll Pro, have been greatly exaggerated?
re_mute - Tue Jul 10, 2012 4:04 pm
abstractcats wrote:
rlahalla wrote:
Micheal Olsen is no longer working with us, and yes, it is near impossible for me to get him to fix anything since his e-mail doesn't work when I email him...
Micheal Olsen?...Seems I remember his name from Koblo/Nexsyn. No more email contact? Don't be shocked by that you can't make email contact. The same as with Max Gronlund(Koblo/Nexsyn). Seems these guys are lacing in commitment(to state it nicely) to software/customers.
This guy? - http://www.phonoxone.com/
http://www.linkedin.com/pub/michael-olsen/2/762/335
3ee - Tue Jul 10, 2012 4:20 pm
gpunk wrote:
No transfer fee
No protection
Some great updates in pro
Do yourself and everyone else a favour and charge an upgrade fee. Its time policies like those where rewarded even if only by s few dollars an update
No protection
Some great updates in pro
Do yourself and everyone else a favour and charge an upgrade fee. Its time policies like those where rewarded even if only by s few dollars an update
At least if he puts a "beer box" button or something so that ppl who want to contribute with something have the opportunity.
jethrobull - Tue Jul 10, 2012 4:22 pm
Redspark wrote:
I will happily pay an upgrade price for v2. It's a great channel strip. I have it on every insert of my default DAW template.
+1
grymmjack - Tue Jul 10, 2012 4:58 pm
rlahalla wrote:
SAW75 wrote:
not a surprise. they've been flakes about mix control in the past. glad i jumped ship months ago.
you can always tell when a product jumps from $19 to $99 to $79 to $39 to free with another purchase and back around again...
it's a shame for the customer when there is no consistancy.
you can always tell when a product jumps from $19 to $99 to $79 to $39 to free with another purchase and back around again...
it's a shame for the customer when there is no consistancy.
Really? Flakes? Ok.. How about you run a company that for some reason people think is a major player, when indeed it is really just me, now that my pops has Alzheimer's. I got back into this business when I had no reason to. I could have just let the whole thing bomb and all of you could complain. Instead, I jumped out of a hospital bed and made the most of what I could with this company, considering that I've spent almost 6 months fighting to save my life. I could really give a shit less what you think. I did this to make everyone happy, when I could have just said "f**k yourself" like spin audio did.
Reason let me know if you need any help on tech stuff, I probably can't do much that you aren't already doing but figured I'd offer anyway.
Also spinaudio roomverb was the first commercial plugin I bought
I know about spinaudio abandonment issues.
Cheer up man, don't perpetuate the negativity by focusing on it and letting it in, just ignore it. I know it's hard advice to follow, but it's definitely way more productive than to obsess and let it eat you alive.
Hope your doing better lately, and glad to see you are still vertical.
rj0 - Tue Jul 10, 2012 4:59 pm
SAW75 wrote:
rlahalla wrote:
SAW75 wrote:
not a surprise. they've been flakes about mix control in the past. glad i jumped ship months ago.
you can always tell when a product jumps from $19 to $99 to $79 to $39 to free with another purchase and back around again...
it's a shame for the customer when there is no consistancy.
you can always tell when a product jumps from $19 to $99 to $79 to $39 to free with another purchase and back around again...
it's a shame for the customer when there is no consistancy.
Really? Flakes? Ok.. How about you run a company that for some reason people think is a major player, when indeed it is really just me, now that my pops has Alzheimer's. I got back into this business when I had no reason to. I could have just let the whole thing bomb and all of you could complain. Instead, I jumped out of a hospital bed and made the most of what I could with this company, considering that I've spent almost 6 months fighting to save my life. I could really give a shit less what you think. I did this to make everyone happy, when I could have just said "f**k yourself" like spin audio did.
Like i said... flakes. Pricing problems, confusion at all levels and a guy repeatedly giving his sob story. This is a lot like Dennis from Prodyon and I just can't stomach it. I don't think your personal problems belong in public view when talking about your company. I have my own health problems, real life problems, family and friends to care for... this sort of guilt trip is hideous. I simply don't like your company and really can't trust anything said by TeamDNR.
I was a customer and have had my own experiences. You should be ashamed of your misplaced anger. Clearly there have been plenty of bumps in the road.
Hmm. "Anger,... guilt, ... sob story, ... ashamed."
Aw, F'it. Muted.
Dean Aka Nekro - Tue Jul 10, 2012 5:05 pm
SAW75 wrote:
brok landers wrote:
SAW75 wrote:
whyterabbyt wrote:
But its good to know to have you filed under 'compassionless twat'.
I thought this was against the rules? Is there a moderator present?
are you kiddin' me!? who in the world told _you_ to make the rules in the first place, telling rlhalla what to post in public and what not??? if rlhalla tries to explain his situation (sad enough for him, his situation, i wouldn't what to be in his shoes), he can _whenever_ he likes, just to make thatone as clear as possible.
your post was extraordinary rude in the _first_ place, and you got the nerve to call for a moderator now? gimme a feckin' break... if you bite, don't be afraid to get bitten, that easy... not at last because of people behaving like you kvr became a sad place...
I think you have me wrong. Perhaps I've spoken wrong. I called no individual a twat and I probably should have been more clear that TeamDNR, as a compnay, has come off flakey in the past. Not any particular individual.
TeamDNR is one of the very few companies that has thoroughly confused me in the past. I do consider them very very flaky and in league with Crysonic and Prodyon. Some may disagree.
I find the two comparisions used astounding and as pointed out already You're twatsmanship is on overdrive.
TeanDNR have always sorted customers out and far from being 'flaky' fixed any bug I found on MixControlPro in VST & RTAS format.
Audio communities are better off without You're sort IMVHonestHO: You dick head
causing animosity and hostility, I hate to add to it but I was not raised to shut my mouth when someone is bang out of order
Yeah get a mod in and temp ban me or whatever else; As I have broken rules.
However You're snide way below the belt cunning stunts of condut are all cool
People like You really f**king disgust Me
VitaminD - Tue Jul 10, 2012 5:12 pm
no, please, tell us how you REALLY feel.
I don't like his attitude either.. but TeamDNR have gone all around the map with their pricing.. which is confusing. No need to start petty name calling though.
hibidy - Tue Jul 10, 2012 5:19 pm
So. I bought mixcontrol a long time ago, and then got mixcontrol pro for free, and then now I'm going to have the chance for mixcontrol 2.0 FOR FREE???????????
No way, I must be reading this wrong
VitaminD - Tue Jul 10, 2012 5:32 pm
hibidy wrote:
So. I bought mixcontrol a long time ago, and then got mixcontrol pro for free, and then now I'm going to have the chance for mixcontrol 2.0 FOR FREE???????????
No way, I must be reading this wrong
No way, I must be reading this wrong
*nods* http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ieuBkWHfCuc
hibidy - Tue Jul 10, 2012 6:01 pm
And cheers!
xamido - Tue Jul 10, 2012 6:10 pm
Despite the statement that it will be free for current user i still have this suggestion :
1. Upgrade fee should be there. Not much, but reasonable.
2. Instead of sales all the time, why not permanently set the price lower, probably from 50$-100$? I still think the retail of 130 before is pretty high and discourage people besides kvr(since most of us know it will go to sale at that price).
You need to compensate yourself for your hard work.
rlahalla - Tue Jul 10, 2012 6:41 pm
SAW75 wrote:
Like i said... flakes. Pricing problems, confusion at all levels and a guy repeatedly giving his sob story. This is a lot like Dennis from Prodyon and I just can't stomach it. I don't think your personal problems belong in public view when talking about your company. I have my own health problems, real life problems, family and friends to care for... this sort of guilt trip is hideous. I simply don't like your company and really can't trust anything said by TeamDNR.
I was a customer and have had my own experiences. You should be ashamed of your misplaced anger. Clearly there have been plenty of bumps in the road.
I was a customer and have had my own experiences. You should be ashamed of your misplaced anger. Clearly there have been plenty of bumps in the road.
I'm tired and going to bed, but I'll leave you with a little bit of a challenge - if you think you could do any better, I'll sign the whole damn company over to you right now, and you can deal with the IC licenses, taxes, payments to other developers, marketing, promotions, product design, web design, graphic design and everything else. Seriously. I will indeed sign the whole company over to you right now (or in the morning, I'm tired) and then you can be prepared for a wave of very angry customers when you don't deliver the things that we've been doing for quite a bit longer than Crysonic and some of these other fly-by-night organizations. Have fun with that. Let me know how it works out for you
rlahalla - Tue Jul 10, 2012 6:47 pm
abstractcats wrote:
Micheal Olsen?...Seems I remember his name from Koblo/Nexsyn. No more email contact? Don't be shocked by that you can't make email contact. The same as with Max Gronlund(Koblo/Nexsyn). Seems these guys are lacing in commitment(to state it nicely) to software/customers.
No, no - don't group Michael Olsen in with them. He's a class act - I think that the DNR server just can't contact because of a spam mailer block, which happens pretty frequently. Micheal worked his ass of for this software, and really didn't get anything at all, and the same with Anders (LimeFlavour). Just about everything went to paying for the support reps my father had hired to deal with the inquiries, plus the marketing spots we had for MCP. I consider Michael one of the most awesome and trustworthy people I have met, and wish nothing but the best for him and his career. He should never be grouped with people like Max Gronlund. SAW75 - Tue Jul 10, 2012 9:17 pm
Dean Aka Nekro wrote:
You dick head
Shocking the mods allow this to continue.
SAW75 - Tue Jul 10, 2012 9:25 pm
I wish I could apologize for my opinion, but my opinion stands. Actually, I have a far worse opinion of TeamDNR now. Before I was simply not surprised about dropping development. Now... oh well.
xamido - Tue Jul 10, 2012 9:58 pm
Lol, who cares, you're the only one who looks like a heartless human being here.
GeorgeZ - Tue Jul 10, 2012 10:02 pm
rlahalla wrote:
There will be no upgrade fee for current users. That's all I'll say.
V2 eh?
Ok, how bout a compromise... a donation button? SAW75 - Tue Jul 10, 2012 10:18 pm
xamido wrote:
Lol, who cares, you're the only one who looks like a heartless human being here.
lol for sure.
hibidy - Tue Jul 10, 2012 10:41 pm
GeorgeZ wrote:
rlahalla wrote:
There will be no upgrade fee for current users. That's all I'll say.
V2 eh?
Ok, how bout a compromise... a donation button? I'll do a donation button. Or, I even help you beta the thing (how hard could it be? x64 win7) Pretty good at finding bug (or confirming there are not any
) Krakatau - Tue Jul 10, 2012 11:30 pm
SAW75 wrote:
Dean Aka Nekro wrote:
You dick head
Shocking the mods allow this to continue.
The dark side of kvr...
...hasn't it been also a plugin's name in the database, as well as fatass BTW ?
Nanakai - Tue Jul 10, 2012 11:33 pm
rlahalla wrote:
Glad everyone has such confidence in my work and vision.
Sorry! Like I said, it just seemed like you guys weren't making enough off of MCP to keep up with development. Glad to know you're still in the game. I will gladly hit the donate button if it goes up.
SAW75 wrote:
Actually, I have a far worse opinion of TeamDNR now.
First you hate them for going on sale, then for dropping development, and now you hate them more for keeping it up and giving out free upgrades to existing users?
chokehold - Tue Jul 10, 2012 11:42 pm
After reading the last page, I'm somehow sad.
Not because of Reason's unfortunate story or so, but just to see how little appreciation there is for what he actually did do and achieve.
I do agree, it was VERY un-serious business telling everyone to get MixControl for $29 or $39 or what it was because the price would be upped to $199 ... and then not doing it.
And I also agree, it was also VERY 'flaky' that MCP was reduced to a "sale price for a limited time", which then continued to stay after the time limit, got extended, and now finally sat at "Purchase now for only $49.00 USD until 5/31!" for fecking ages.
But then...
Anyone here who payed more than $39 for the first MixControl?
Anyone here who payed for the upgrade to MixControl Pro?
Anyone here who knows he'll have to pay for the upgrade to MixControl Pro?
Anyone?
Thought so.
Because in my experience, the KVR community is much too mean to fork out $199 or probably even $99 for a decent new plugin with 1st class support and the possibility to help improve it.
For the price you all got it - is there any equally decent alternative?
Not that I know of. Synthmaker, SynthEdit, prefab-built, Win x86 only, shitty GUIs, limited or rudimentary set of processors, zero or near-zero support, compatibility issue ridden, minimal quality beginner algorithms, zippy and tinny sounding ... yeah, maybe some of those around.
But decent and performant DSP code with ALL the processors you'll ever need in one, an un-cluttered and professional GUI, free updates, and beside all that it's highly reliable and flawlessly compatible, even with a setup as exotic as Reaper x64 on OSX that I use.
A top notch product that definitely WOULD be worth $99 (from my perspective, probably $199 from a company point of view) with free upgrades and all if Reason asked for that kinda money?
Thrown before the wolves for $19/$29/$39/$49 or whatever the prices were?
AND SOMEONE HAS THE NERVE TO COMPLAIN?!
Because he was too cheap and mean to buy in at the nearly-at-all-times reduced prices? Or because he didn't manage to get the best price like others did?
Srsly?!
That's the reason I'm sad.
Give the guy some credit, will ya.
I'll listen to his sob story if it helps me understand his motives, and I'll gladly offer to help in any way I can (probably not many), if it helps to take pressure off TeamDNR and to improve their/his product.
All that, and I don't even use MCP anymore.
Not because I feel like profiling myself as a do-gooder in public or because I'd be expecting any money out of it, but because I appreciate what Reason has achieved, and that he mingles in the "community" and listens to suggestions ... I think that deserves a little more appreciation than just "here's $39, gimme dat" and "he got it for $19, I have to pay $39, you're a crook!".
€0.02
christianmusicmaker - Tue Jul 10, 2012 11:48 pm
scalawag wrote:
christianmusicmaker wrote:
scalawag time to change the thread title maybe?
Done!!!
jethrobull - Tue Jul 10, 2012 11:57 pm
chokehold wrote:
Because in my experience, the KVR community is much too mean to fork out $199 or probably even $99 for a decent new plugin with 1st class support and the possibility to help improve it.
Dont think its us being mean.Some people just flat cant afford to pay certain prices and if a plug comes on sale here or anywhere else (apparently thats what the BARGAIN CENTRE and market place is for?) whats wrong with buying it? chokehold - Wed Jul 11, 2012 12:04 am
I currently have plugins for sale, and IMO not bad ones.
You'd be surprised what reactions I get.
Plugin new 120€ with iLok authorization.
My price 80€ incl. iLok transfer.
Suggestion $50 (not 50€).
Sort of thing.
Like I as the seller am the one who can be so fecking happy that some random guy out there wants me to keep $25 for a plugin that cost me over 5x that price - rather than he as the potential buyer can be happy he found it for 80€ including all fees instead of 120€.
That's not "can't afford", that's just mean "wanna have but don't wanna pay".
Compyfox - Wed Jul 11, 2012 12:08 am
I guess this clears why I didn't get an answer via mail. I had in the back of my head that MCP2 was in the pipe, so I didn't understand all the fuzz. And this was the reason why I wrote "did anyone even aks?!".
Now Reason confirmed that it's not dead, but needs an evolution to the "own team" - which is only logical. So the fuzz was in vain.
I'd also raise my voice for an upgrade fee. You folks deserve it, and I think you also need it. Looking at the "previous customer discounts" and "free for current users", it's nice to deal with you people. But that alone doesn't bring the bread on the table. Then again, my personal opinion - even though I do like "lifetime upgrade" deals.
Glad to hear that you're doing well again, Reason.
Here's to v2 of DNR MixControl Pro v2!
(hopefully with the same GUI, I like the current one)
chokehold wrote:
That's not "can't afford", that's just mean "wanna have but don't wanna pay".
You don't have any idea how much I can relate. Then again - different topic.
musikmachine - Wed Jul 11, 2012 12:09 am
chokehold wrote:
After reading the last page, I'm somehow sad.
Not because of Reason's unfortunate story or so, but just to see how little appreciation there is for what he actually did do and achieve.
I do agree, it was VERY un-serious business telling everyone to get MixControl for $29 or $39 or what it was because the price would be upped to $199 ... and then not doing it.
And I also agree, it was also VERY 'flaky' that MCP was reduced to a "sale price for a limited time", which then continued to stay after the time limit, got extended, and now finally sat at "Purchase now for only $49.00 USD until 5/31!" for fecking ages.
But then...
Anyone here who payed more than $39 for the first MixControl?
Anyone here who payed for the upgrade to MixControl Pro?
Anyone here who knows he'll have to pay for the upgrade to MixControl Pro?
Anyone?
Thought so.
Because in my experience, the KVR community is much too mean to fork out $199 or probably even $99 for a decent new plugin with 1st class support and the possibility to help improve it.
For the price you all got it - is there any equally decent alternative?
Not that I know of. Synthmaker, SynthEdit, prefab-built, Win x86 only, shitty GUIs, limited or rudimentary set of processors, zero or near-zero support, compatibility issue ridden, minimal quality beginner algorithms, zippy and tinny sounding ... yeah, maybe some of those around.
But decent and performant DSP code with ALL the processors you'll ever need in one, an un-cluttered and professional GUI, free updates, and beside all that it's highly reliable and flawlessly compatible, even with a setup as exotic as Reaper x64 on OSX that I use.
A top notch product that definitely WOULD be worth $99 (from my perspective, probably $199 from a company point of view) with free upgrades and all if Reason asked for that kinda money?
Thrown before the wolves for $19/$29/$39/$49 or whatever the prices were?
AND SOMEONE HAS THE NERVE TO COMPLAIN?!
Because he was too cheap and mean to buy in at the nearly-at-all-times reduced prices? Or because he didn't manage to get the best price like others did?
Srsly?!
That's the reason I'm sad.
Give the guy some credit, will ya.
I'll listen to his sob story if it helps me understand his motives, and I'll gladly offer to help in any way I can (probably not many), if it helps to take pressure off TeamDNR and to improve their/his product.
All that, and I don't even use MCP anymore.
Not because I feel like profiling myself as a do-gooder in public or because I'd be expecting any money out of it, but because I appreciate what Reason has achieved, and that he mingles in the "community" and listens to suggestions ... I think that deserves a little more appreciation than just "here's $39, gimme dat" and "he got it for $19, I have to pay $39, you're a crook!".
€0.02
Not because of Reason's unfortunate story or so, but just to see how little appreciation there is for what he actually did do and achieve.
I do agree, it was VERY un-serious business telling everyone to get MixControl for $29 or $39 or what it was because the price would be upped to $199 ... and then not doing it.
And I also agree, it was also VERY 'flaky' that MCP was reduced to a "sale price for a limited time", which then continued to stay after the time limit, got extended, and now finally sat at "Purchase now for only $49.00 USD until 5/31!" for fecking ages.
But then...
Anyone here who payed more than $39 for the first MixControl?
Anyone here who payed for the upgrade to MixControl Pro?
Anyone here who knows he'll have to pay for the upgrade to MixControl Pro?
Anyone?
Thought so.
Because in my experience, the KVR community is much too mean to fork out $199 or probably even $99 for a decent new plugin with 1st class support and the possibility to help improve it.
For the price you all got it - is there any equally decent alternative?
Not that I know of. Synthmaker, SynthEdit, prefab-built, Win x86 only, shitty GUIs, limited or rudimentary set of processors, zero or near-zero support, compatibility issue ridden, minimal quality beginner algorithms, zippy and tinny sounding ... yeah, maybe some of those around.
But decent and performant DSP code with ALL the processors you'll ever need in one, an un-cluttered and professional GUI, free updates, and beside all that it's highly reliable and flawlessly compatible, even with a setup as exotic as Reaper x64 on OSX that I use.
A top notch product that definitely WOULD be worth $99 (from my perspective, probably $199 from a company point of view) with free upgrades and all if Reason asked for that kinda money?
Thrown before the wolves for $19/$29/$39/$49 or whatever the prices were?
AND SOMEONE HAS THE NERVE TO COMPLAIN?!
Because he was too cheap and mean to buy in at the nearly-at-all-times reduced prices? Or because he didn't manage to get the best price like others did?
Srsly?!
That's the reason I'm sad.
Give the guy some credit, will ya.
I'll listen to his sob story if it helps me understand his motives, and I'll gladly offer to help in any way I can (probably not many), if it helps to take pressure off TeamDNR and to improve their/his product.
All that, and I don't even use MCP anymore.
Not because I feel like profiling myself as a do-gooder in public or because I'd be expecting any money out of it, but because I appreciate what Reason has achieved, and that he mingles in the "community" and listens to suggestions ... I think that deserves a little more appreciation than just "here's $39, gimme dat" and "he got it for $19, I have to pay $39, you're a crook!".
€0.02
f**king brilliant post!
Krakatau - Wed Jul 11, 2012 12:13 am
musikmachine wrote:
chokehold wrote:
After reading the last page, I'm somehow sad.
Not because of Reason's unfortunate story or so, but just to see how little appreciation there is for what he actually did do and achieve.
I do agree, it was VERY un-serious business telling everyone to get MixControl for $29 or $39 or what it was because the price would be upped to $199 ... and then not doing it.
And I also agree, it was also VERY 'flaky' that MCP was reduced to a "sale price for a limited time", which then continued to stay after the time limit, got extended, and now finally sat at "Purchase now for only $49.00 USD until 5/31!" for fecking ages.
But then...
Anyone here who payed more than $39 for the first MixControl?
Anyone here who payed for the upgrade to MixControl Pro?
Anyone here who knows he'll have to pay for the upgrade to MixControl Pro?
Anyone?
Thought so.
Because in my experience, the KVR community is much too mean to fork out $199 or probably even $99 for a decent new plugin with 1st class support and the possibility to help improve it.
For the price you all got it - is there any equally decent alternative?
Not that I know of. Synthmaker, SynthEdit, prefab-built, Win x86 only, shitty GUIs, limited or rudimentary set of processors, zero or near-zero support, compatibility issue ridden, minimal quality beginner algorithms, zippy and tinny sounding ... yeah, maybe some of those around.
But decent and performant DSP code with ALL the processors you'll ever need in one, an un-cluttered and professional GUI, free updates, and beside all that it's highly reliable and flawlessly compatible, even with a setup as exotic as Reaper x64 on OSX that I use.
A top notch product that definitely WOULD be worth $99 (from my perspective, probably $199 from a company point of view) with free upgrades and all if Reason asked for that kinda money?
Thrown before the wolves for $19/$29/$39/$49 or whatever the prices were?
AND SOMEONE HAS THE NERVE TO COMPLAIN?!
Because he was too cheap and mean to buy in at the nearly-at-all-times reduced prices? Or because he didn't manage to get the best price like others did?
Srsly?!
That's the reason I'm sad.
Give the guy some credit, will ya.
I'll listen to his sob story if it helps me understand his motives, and I'll gladly offer to help in any way I can (probably not many), if it helps to take pressure off TeamDNR and to improve their/his product.
All that, and I don't even use MCP anymore.
Not because I feel like profiling myself as a do-gooder in public or because I'd be expecting any money out of it, but because I appreciate what Reason has achieved, and that he mingles in the "community" and listens to suggestions ... I think that deserves a little more appreciation than just "here's $39, gimme dat" and "he got it for $19, I have to pay $39, you're a crook!".
€0.02
Not because of Reason's unfortunate story or so, but just to see how little appreciation there is for what he actually did do and achieve.
I do agree, it was VERY un-serious business telling everyone to get MixControl for $29 or $39 or what it was because the price would be upped to $199 ... and then not doing it.
And I also agree, it was also VERY 'flaky' that MCP was reduced to a "sale price for a limited time", which then continued to stay after the time limit, got extended, and now finally sat at "Purchase now for only $49.00 USD until 5/31!" for fecking ages.
But then...
Anyone here who payed more than $39 for the first MixControl?
Anyone here who payed for the upgrade to MixControl Pro?
Anyone here who knows he'll have to pay for the upgrade to MixControl Pro?
Anyone?
Thought so.
Because in my experience, the KVR community is much too mean to fork out $199 or probably even $99 for a decent new plugin with 1st class support and the possibility to help improve it.
For the price you all got it - is there any equally decent alternative?
Not that I know of. Synthmaker, SynthEdit, prefab-built, Win x86 only, shitty GUIs, limited or rudimentary set of processors, zero or near-zero support, compatibility issue ridden, minimal quality beginner algorithms, zippy and tinny sounding ... yeah, maybe some of those around.
But decent and performant DSP code with ALL the processors you'll ever need in one, an un-cluttered and professional GUI, free updates, and beside all that it's highly reliable and flawlessly compatible, even with a setup as exotic as Reaper x64 on OSX that I use.
A top notch product that definitely WOULD be worth $99 (from my perspective, probably $199 from a company point of view) with free upgrades and all if Reason asked for that kinda money?
Thrown before the wolves for $19/$29/$39/$49 or whatever the prices were?
AND SOMEONE HAS THE NERVE TO COMPLAIN?!
Because he was too cheap and mean to buy in at the nearly-at-all-times reduced prices? Or because he didn't manage to get the best price like others did?
Srsly?!
That's the reason I'm sad.
Give the guy some credit, will ya.
I'll listen to his sob story if it helps me understand his motives, and I'll gladly offer to help in any way I can (probably not many), if it helps to take pressure off TeamDNR and to improve their/his product.
All that, and I don't even use MCP anymore.
Not because I feel like profiling myself as a do-gooder in public or because I'd be expecting any money out of it, but because I appreciate what Reason has achieved, and that he mingles in the "community" and listens to suggestions ... I think that deserves a little more appreciation than just "here's $39, gimme dat" and "he got it for $19, I have to pay $39, you're a crook!".
€0.02
f**king brilliant post!
I f**king agree that it is f**king brillant !
BT(F)W i f**king apologise for that f**king nasty habit of being f**king unpolite ,...just trust me : worse than a f**king hiccup !
jethrobull - Wed Jul 11, 2012 12:15 am
chokehold wrote:
I currently have plugins for sale, and IMO not bad ones.
You'd be surprised what reactions I get.
Plugin new 120€ with iLok authorization.
My price 80€ incl. iLok transfer.
Suggestion $50 (not 50€).
Sort of thing.
Like I as the seller am the one who can be so fecking happy that some random guy out there wants me to keep $25 for a plugin that cost me over 5x that price - rather than he as the potential buyer can be happy he found it for 80€ including all fees instead of 120€.
That's not "can't afford", that's just mean "wanna have but don't wanna pay".
You'd be surprised what reactions I get.
Plugin new 120€ with iLok authorization.
My price 80€ incl. iLok transfer.
Suggestion $50 (not 50€).
Sort of thing.
Like I as the seller am the one who can be so fecking happy that some random guy out there wants me to keep $25 for a plugin that cost me over 5x that price - rather than he as the potential buyer can be happy he found it for 80€ including all fees instead of 120€.
That's not "can't afford", that's just mean "wanna have but don't wanna pay".
Well i agree that if you have anything for sale then people should respect your price rather than try to bully people in to reducing.That is wrong,especially when your already selling for nearly half price!
Sorry,point taken by the way.
chokehold - Wed Jul 11, 2012 12:23 am
jethrobull wrote:
Sorry,point taken by the way.
No need to be sorry.
I didn't mean to "attack" or anything, just explaining why I see things the way I do.
Apparently, a lot of my "internet related cynicism" comes down to the same cause... "I've been on KVR for too long".
VariKusBrainZ - Wed Jul 11, 2012 1:09 am
grymmjack wrote:
Also spinaudio roomverb was the first commercial plugin I bought
I know about spinaudio abandonment issues.
Me too
I still use Spin Audio ReverbM2 and is on eof my favoutite reverbs (that I own)
I laugh at the dicks that were spreading the Mixcontrol demise.
Twats.
re_mute - Wed Jul 11, 2012 1:37 am
SAW75 wrote:
rlahalla wrote:
SAW75 wrote:
not a surprise. they've been flakes about mix control in the past. glad i jumped ship months ago.
you can always tell when a product jumps from $19 to $99 to $79 to $39 to free with another purchase and back around again...
it's a shame for the customer when there is no consistancy.
you can always tell when a product jumps from $19 to $99 to $79 to $39 to free with another purchase and back around again...
it's a shame for the customer when there is no consistancy.
Really? Flakes? Ok.. How about you run a company that for some reason people think is a major player, when indeed it is really just me, now that my pops has Alzheimer's. I got back into this business when I had no reason to. I could have just let the whole thing bomb and all of you could complain. Instead, I jumped out of a hospital bed and made the most of what I could with this company, considering that I've spent almost 6 months fighting to save my life. I could really give a shit less what you think. I did this to make everyone happy, when I could have just said "f**k yourself" like spin audio did.
Like i said... flakes. Pricing problems, confusion at all levels and a guy repeatedly giving his sob story. This is a lot like Dennis from Prodyon and I just can't stomach it. I don't think your personal problems belong in public view when talking about your company. I have my own health problems, real life problems, family and friends to care for... this sort of guilt trip is hideous. I simply don't like your company and really can't trust anything said by TeamDNR.
I was a customer and have had my own experiences. You should be ashamed of your misplaced anger. Clearly there have been plenty of bumps in the road.
Couldn't agree more. Add deeply unprofessional to flakey - when I buy a product from a dev I give as much of a shit about his/her personal life as they about mine. I'm not buying into a f**king soap opera nor do I expect to hear about just how incredibly selfless the dev is and how I should be *grateful* they didn't abandon the product.
The insults thrown about by the usual suspects in this thread just add to the conclusion that this is one to avoid.
standalone - Wed Jul 11, 2012 1:50 am
re_mute wrote:
when I buy a product from a dev I give as much of a shit about his/her personal life as they about mine. I'm not buying into a f**king soap opera nor do I expect to hear about just how incredibly selfless the dev is and how I should be *grateful* they didn't abandon the product.
The insults thrown about by the usual suspects in this thread just add to the conclusion that this is one to avoid.
The insults thrown about by the usual suspects in this thread just add to the conclusion that this is one to avoid.
If you don't care about anyone's personal life, why do you care about other people being insulted?
re_mute - Wed Jul 11, 2012 2:05 am
standalone wrote:
re_mute wrote:
when I buy a product from a dev I give as much of a shit about his/her personal life as they about mine. I'm not buying into a f**king soap opera nor do I expect to hear about just how incredibly selfless the dev is and how I should be *grateful* they didn't abandon the product.
The insults thrown about by the usual suspects in this thread just add to the conclusion that this is one to avoid.
The insults thrown about by the usual suspects in this thread just add to the conclusion that this is one to avoid.
If you don't care about anyone's personal life, why do you care about other people being insulted?
I didn't say that.
I said that in the *specific context of buying a product* - ie walking into a shop and buying a chocolate bar - I care about the seller's personal life just about as much as they do about mine.
You don't expect to give someone money for a product and in return they tell you how their life story of pain and misery - unless you're seeing a shrink, right?
It's unprofessional.
Again, *in this context* of seller/buyer, it looks bad when all the "fans" of the seller start randomly insulting one guy who disagrees with the seller's behaviour. It adds to the appearance of being unprofessional.
I'm not entirely sure how you misunderstood what I wrote - just because rlahalla says, "I could really give a shit less what you think," that doesn't mean he doesn't care about *anyone else", right?
Gamma-UT - Wed Jul 11, 2012 2:27 am
re_mute wrote:
I said that in the *specific context of buying a product* - ie walking into a shop and buying a chocolate bar - I care about the seller's personal life just about as much as they do about mine.
And yet here you are in this thread. And not just that, digging up LinkedIn details about individuals.
re_mute wrote:
You don't expect to give someone money for a product and in return they tell you how their life story of pain and misery - unless you're seeing a shrink, right?
Did TeamDNR email you with any of this?
In any case, I thought this product for you was "one to avoid", like so many of the others where you roll your eyes and tell us how glad you were you avoided something because of all the drama. Where's there's a drama thread, it's rare not to see that little yellow-green face. And yet, you are totally unbovvered with any of it. How strange.
re_mute wrote:
Again, *in this context* of seller/buyer, it looks bad when all the "fans" of the seller start randomly insulting one guy who disagrees with the seller's behaviour. It adds to the appearance of being unprofessional.
I don't think they were random insults: they had a pretty obvious target. But why assume that they are all fans of TeamDNR per se? Have you got evidence that they were all even customers? And even if they are, how does that make the vendor 'unprofessional'? They don't work for the company.
musikmachine - Wed Jul 11, 2012 2:49 am
Krakatau wrote:
musikmachine wrote:
chokehold wrote:
After reading the last page, I'm somehow sad.
Not because of Reason's unfortunate story or so, but just to see how little appreciation there is for what he actually did do and achieve.
I do agree, it was VERY un-serious business telling everyone to get MixControl for $29 or $39 or what it was because the price would be upped to $199 ... and then not doing it.
And I also agree, it was also VERY 'flaky' that MCP was reduced to a "sale price for a limited time", which then continued to stay after the time limit, got extended, and now finally sat at "Purchase now for only $49.00 USD until 5/31!" for fecking ages.
But then...
Anyone here who payed more than $39 for the first MixControl?
Anyone here who payed for the upgrade to MixControl Pro?
Anyone here who knows he'll have to pay for the upgrade to MixControl Pro?
Anyone?
Thought so.
Because in my experience, the KVR community is much too mean to fork out $199 or probably even $99 for a decent new plugin with 1st class support and the possibility to help improve it.
For the price you all got it - is there any equally decent alternative?
Not that I know of. Synthmaker, SynthEdit, prefab-built, Win x86 only, shitty GUIs, limited or rudimentary set of processors, zero or near-zero support, compatibility issue ridden, minimal quality beginner algorithms, zippy and tinny sounding ... yeah, maybe some of those around.
But decent and performant DSP code with ALL the processors you'll ever need in one, an un-cluttered and professional GUI, free updates, and beside all that it's highly reliable and flawlessly compatible, even with a setup as exotic as Reaper x64 on OSX that I use.
A top notch product that definitely WOULD be worth $99 (from my perspective, probably $199 from a company point of view) with free upgrades and all if Reason asked for that kinda money?
Thrown before the wolves for $19/$29/$39/$49 or whatever the prices were?
AND SOMEONE HAS THE NERVE TO COMPLAIN?!
Because he was too cheap and mean to buy in at the nearly-at-all-times reduced prices? Or because he didn't manage to get the best price like others did?
Srsly?!
That's the reason I'm sad.
Give the guy some credit, will ya.
I'll listen to his sob story if it helps me understand his motives, and I'll gladly offer to help in any way I can (probably not many), if it helps to take pressure off TeamDNR and to improve their/his product.
All that, and I don't even use MCP anymore.
Not because I feel like profiling myself as a do-gooder in public or because I'd be expecting any money out of it, but because I appreciate what Reason has achieved, and that he mingles in the "community" and listens to suggestions ... I think that deserves a little more appreciation than just "here's $39, gimme dat" and "he got it for $19, I have to pay $39, you're a crook!".
€0.02
Not because of Reason's unfortunate story or so, but just to see how little appreciation there is for what he actually did do and achieve.
I do agree, it was VERY un-serious business telling everyone to get MixControl for $29 or $39 or what it was because the price would be upped to $199 ... and then not doing it.
And I also agree, it was also VERY 'flaky' that MCP was reduced to a "sale price for a limited time", which then continued to stay after the time limit, got extended, and now finally sat at "Purchase now for only $49.00 USD until 5/31!" for fecking ages.
But then...
Anyone here who payed more than $39 for the first MixControl?
Anyone here who payed for the upgrade to MixControl Pro?
Anyone here who knows he'll have to pay for the upgrade to MixControl Pro?
Anyone?
Thought so.
Because in my experience, the KVR community is much too mean to fork out $199 or probably even $99 for a decent new plugin with 1st class support and the possibility to help improve it.
For the price you all got it - is there any equally decent alternative?
Not that I know of. Synthmaker, SynthEdit, prefab-built, Win x86 only, shitty GUIs, limited or rudimentary set of processors, zero or near-zero support, compatibility issue ridden, minimal quality beginner algorithms, zippy and tinny sounding ... yeah, maybe some of those around.
But decent and performant DSP code with ALL the processors you'll ever need in one, an un-cluttered and professional GUI, free updates, and beside all that it's highly reliable and flawlessly compatible, even with a setup as exotic as Reaper x64 on OSX that I use.
A top notch product that definitely WOULD be worth $99 (from my perspective, probably $199 from a company point of view) with free upgrades and all if Reason asked for that kinda money?
Thrown before the wolves for $19/$29/$39/$49 or whatever the prices were?
AND SOMEONE HAS THE NERVE TO COMPLAIN?!
Because he was too cheap and mean to buy in at the nearly-at-all-times reduced prices? Or because he didn't manage to get the best price like others did?
Srsly?!
That's the reason I'm sad.
Give the guy some credit, will ya.
I'll listen to his sob story if it helps me understand his motives, and I'll gladly offer to help in any way I can (probably not many), if it helps to take pressure off TeamDNR and to improve their/his product.
All that, and I don't even use MCP anymore.
Not because I feel like profiling myself as a do-gooder in public or because I'd be expecting any money out of it, but because I appreciate what Reason has achieved, and that he mingles in the "community" and listens to suggestions ... I think that deserves a little more appreciation than just "here's $39, gimme dat" and "he got it for $19, I have to pay $39, you're a crook!".
€0.02
f**king brilliant post!
I f**king agree that it is f**king brillant !
BT(F)W i f**king apologise for that f**king nasty habit of being f**king unpolite ,...just trust me : worse than a f**king hiccup !
Wash your mouth out mister!
filter303 - Wed Jul 11, 2012 2:59 am
chokehold wrote:
I currently have plugins for sale, and IMO not bad ones.
You'd be surprised what reactions I get.
You'd be surprised what reactions I get.
I had my fully working JP8 (with kenton midi) for sale a while ago. One desperate guy who was interested in buying it made me the following offer:
"Hey, what do you say.. I come to pick up the Jupiter and give you thousand euros for it, I will pay you another thousand next month when I get more money"?
An unknown guy is offering me 1k to let him walk out of my door with my beloved jp8? In 2012!
This is just crazy
I wasn't really sure if I should have taken his offer as an joke or an insult.
I am very used to people trying to get lower prices, even if the original price is low already, but this was one of these cases that made me want to pull my hair out. Fortunately I don't have any hair.
Needless to say that I sold it to another guy who paid what I was asking.
whyterabbyt - Wed Jul 11, 2012 3:22 am
re_mute wrote:
I said that in the *specific context of buying a product* - ie walking into a shop and buying a chocolate bar - I care about the seller's personal life just about as much as they do about mine.
except, in this context, someone started bitching that the chocolate shop is suspect in some way because it was closed on tuesday and wednesday, so the owner explains why they had to take time off. i dont care if you care about the seller's personal life, but trying to use the seller's attempt at an explanation as a second stick to beat him with is shitty, lowlife behaviour.
i wonder what exactly would be 'acceptable' to some folk like you and SAW75? i guess its alright to shit on tiny informal enthusiast's businesses for being real people with real glitches in their lives because they deserve it somehow, is that right? Trying to do a better thing than the big companies, trying to maintain a dialogue with their customers, trying to be real people instead of a faceless company... well that's just one more angle for the usual suspects to be fucktards about isnt it?