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samsam - Tue Jul 10, 2012 11:04 pm
Here you go:
http://dsp.sonimus.com/products/sweetone/
heffus - Tue Jul 10, 2012 11:08 pm
Looks sweet.
A.M. Gold - Wed Jul 11, 2012 1:41 am
Looks, yes, but here we go again with no demo and no audio demos. Pass.
Didn't find SonEQ so producing of ecstasy to forever go on faith that I would dig every other one of his plug-ins, not even for $25.
samsam - Wed Jul 11, 2012 1:58 am
^ Fair enough, your choice.
Anyway, anyone who _did_ take the leap of faith and buy Satson and find it useful (like me) might want to check it out.
Compyfox - Wed Jul 11, 2012 2:07 am
Took me a while to find the actual "info" on the page, but what do we know:
Sweetone is pretty much a Tonelux Tilt "clone", both with tilt mode and "loudness" mode (the dreaded "loudness EQ courve" from old hifi amplifiers).
So now we will have three emulations of TILT:
Softube "Tonelux Tilt EQ" (the official emulation)
cross platform, 99USD Native - fixed frequencies, 6dB/Oct filters, 12dB/oct additional on HP
Sonimus Sweetone
cross platform, 25 USD - 2 selectable frequency modes, 6/12 dB/oct filter
Togu Audio Line USEq (formerly known as TILT)
cross platform 32bit, free/not supported anymore - no input gain modeling, variable center frequency and Q, bass lift mode
You can choose for yourself what you think might suit your needs. And Softube (finally?) has some competition.
B.A.Tech. - Wed Jul 11, 2012 2:24 am
Looks really sweet! Can i ask what you use software for gui design?
K-Slash - Wed Jul 11, 2012 5:04 am
Compyfox wrote:
Sweetone is pretty much a Tonelux Tilt "clone", both with tilt mode and "loudness" mode (the dreaded "loudness EQ courve" from old hifi amplifiers).
Don't forget the preamp emulation, it's subtle but sounds sweet, hence the name

.
Compyfox wrote:
So now we will have three emulations of TILT:
Softube "Tonelux Tilt EQ" (the official emulation)
cross platform, 99USD Native - fixed frequencies, 6dB/Oct filters
The Softube plugin also features a 12dB/Oct filter for the High-Pass.
Trakstar - Wed Jul 11, 2012 5:18 am
B.A.Tech. wrote:
Looks really sweet! Can i ask what you use software for gui design?

_ hurry up with the shop
And I definitely like the look of this EQ, if I had the funds in my bank I would buy it now...In fact I think Ill try anyway.off to the shop it is.
Compyfox - Wed Jul 11, 2012 5:35 am
K-Slash wrote:
Compyfox wrote:
Sweetone is pretty much a Tonelux Tilt "clone", both with tilt mode and "loudness" mode (the dreaded "loudness EQ courve" from old hifi amplifiers).
Don't forget the preamp emulation, it's subtle but sounds sweet, hence the name

.
Actually, both Sweetone and Tonelux Tilt (Softube) feature the preamp emulation (MP1a).
K-Slash wrote:
Compyfox wrote:
So now we will have three emulations of TILT:
Softube "Tonelux Tilt EQ" (the official emulation)
cross platform, 99USD Native - fixed frequencies, 6dB/Oct filters
The Softube plugin also features a 12dB/Oct filter for the High-Pass.
Indeed it does, overlooked that one.
Trakstar - Wed Jul 11, 2012 5:45 am
No joy

, Ill have to try tonight, anyone know how long you have to wait for the process because Ive been wanting to try one of these EQs for a while?.
lingyai - Wed Jul 11, 2012 9:01 am
samsam wrote:
^ Fair enough, your choice.
Anyway, anyone who _did_ take the leap of faith and buy Satson and find it useful (like me) might want to check it out.
Please don't take this in a bad way, but with so many plugs competing for folks' attention, don't you think a trial version / and or some audio demos might help those of us who don't want to take leaps of faith decide whether to buy?
samsam - Wed Jul 11, 2012 9:30 am
^ Hey, I'm not the dev, just posting this FYI
As I said, _I_ was one of the people who took a leap of faith with Satson.
There's a thread on Gerarslutz in the 'new product alert' forum where Diego has posted, you could mention it there. To be honest, leaving aside the demo issue, what would be useful is a quick vid of it in action to show what the tone settings do, as well as the more obvious HP and LP filters.
lingyai - Wed Jul 11, 2012 9:44 am
samsam wrote:
^ Hey, I'm not the dev, just posting this FYI

ooops
sorry dude!
will check out gearslutz then
3ee - Wed Jul 11, 2012 9:50 am
I was lucky to play with the plugin before it's release.
It's very cool and useful and it does sound sweet!
I can't believe how easy it is on the CPU for it's sound!
Trakstar - Wed Jul 11, 2012 10:04 am
Right, Ive got some funds and Im going to buy it now. So as soon as Ive tried it Ill let you all know how it sounds, but it does look promising.
antithesist - Wed Jul 11, 2012 10:06 am
Compyfox wrote:
K-Slash wrote:
Compyfox wrote:
Sweetone is pretty much a Tonelux Tilt "clone", both with tilt mode and "loudness" mode (the dreaded "loudness EQ courve" from old hifi amplifiers).
Don't forget the preamp emulation, it's subtle but sounds sweet, hence the name

.
Actually, both Sweetone and Tonelux Tilt (Softube) feature the preamp emulation (MP1a).
K-Slash wrote:
Compyfox wrote:
So now we will have three emulations of TILT:
Softube "Tonelux Tilt EQ" (the official emulation)
cross platform, 99USD Native - fixed frequencies, 6dB/Oct filters
The Softube plugin also features a 12dB/Oct filter for the High-Pass.
Indeed it does, overlooked that one.
Tilt does subtle transformer emulation. Preamp emulation is a bit of a stretch, unless your are talking about the trafo plus plain Jane digital gain.
I got native Tilt for $35 on sale with the addition of a discount for doing purchase feedback. It's nice and works as advertised. It also includes Tilt Live which has Boost Ceiling instead of Gain.
Why would these guys need to make an enhanced emulation of an official emulation. Other than the enhanced part, that's Nomad territory, isn't it?
Trakstar - Wed Jul 11, 2012 10:08 am
Ive just bought it and will try it out so Im hoping its as good as the sonimus FX
Trakstar - Wed Jul 11, 2012 11:41 am
I paid for it and got the download straight away. Its sound is excellent and the filters are as smooth as Ive heard on any. This will be my tool for high and lo cuts and fast general equalization. the sound is superb, its one of the best EQ's Ive had the pleasure of using and Im not kidding. If you cant spare £16 for this there is something wrong with you. It has the color and depth of Soneq but in a much lighter and smoother way, almost creamy in texture. Ive only tried it on an acoustic drum groove with some average samples but I am more than Impressed. I havent heard the softube one but I dont really care from now on, I especially love the GUI. There is a lot of tone shaping options as well. My first thoughts were that it would be limited in scope, but as I read the manual and tried out what he said it just shows that the developer was already thinking about these things before i even got there. It can do Warm and Loud to Deep and Subtle, so try it and make your own mind up. In short Im loving it, and If your listening mr developer, what people are looking for is an alternative plugin to the UAD stuff with the same Quality but something affordable. I think this is what you have here. I would love to see you do a whole range of EQs like this because you obviously can. I look forward to anymore you make which I will buy without hesitation. I took a gamble with this based upon the quality of your freeware EQ soneq and left feeling more than happy. I heard the filters on satson were smooth but these are the ones for me. Processor wise, again, next to nothing on a quad core with 3GB ram.
lingyai - Wed Jul 11, 2012 11:47 am
Trakstar wrote:
I paid for it and got the download straight away. Its sound is excellent and the filters are as smooth as Ive heard on any. This will be my tool for high and lo cuts and fast general equalization. the sound is superb...
Would be great to hear ... any chance of posting a wet/dry demo if you have time?
DarkStar - Wed Jul 11, 2012 11:48 am
What payment methods are available?
User Manual / PDF ?
lingyai - Wed Jul 11, 2012 11:53 am
I'd be surprised... Not many vendors seem to accept PDF payments anymore
Trakstar - Wed Jul 11, 2012 11:56 am
lingyai wrote:
Trakstar wrote:
I paid for it and got the download straight away. Its sound is excellent and the filters are as smooth as Ive heard on any. This will be my tool for high and lo cuts and fast general equalization. the sound is superb...
Would be great to hear ... any chance of posting a wet/dry demo if you have time?
Ill get a few ready for tomorrow, its 9.00pm here now so about 12-14 hours, whats the best place to use for sticking audio demos up, I havent done any before, can you use soundcloud?
lingyai - Wed Jul 11, 2012 12:31 pm
Trakstar wrote:
lingyai wrote:
Trakstar wrote:
I paid for it and got the download straight away. Its sound is excellent and the filters are as smooth as Ive heard on any. This will be my tool for high and lo cuts and fast general equalization. the sound is superb...
Would be great to hear ... any chance of posting a wet/dry demo if you have time?
Ill get a few ready for tomorrow, its 9.00pm here now so about 12-14 hours, whats the best place to use for sticking audio demos up, I havent done any before, can you use soundcloud?
Take your time, there's no rush at all, and thanks very much for being willing to share an example or two.
You can just paste the url of a soundcloud track here, like this
http://soundcloud.com/st-josephs-social-club/cover-exit-music-for-a-film
Trakstar - Wed Jul 11, 2012 12:33 pm
lingyai wrote:
Trakstar wrote:
lingyai wrote:
Trakstar wrote:
I paid for it and got the download straight away. Its sound is excellent and the filters are as smooth as Ive heard on any. This will be my tool for high and lo cuts and fast general equalization. the sound is superb...
Would be great to hear ... any chance of posting a wet/dry demo if you have time?
Ill get a few ready for tomorrow, its 9.00pm here now so about 12-14 hours, whats the best place to use for sticking audio demos up, I havent done any before, can you use soundcloud?
Take your time, there's no rush at all, and thanks very much for being willing to share an example or two.
You can just paste the url of a soundcloud track here, like this
http://soundcloud.com/st-josephs-social-club/cover-exit-music-for-a-film
will do, Ill let you know tomorrow. Ill do a few drums,bass and instrumenst or something.
Compyfox - Wed Jul 11, 2012 1:55 pm
Trakstar:
You do know that a "Tilt EQ" is basically only a shelving EQ that works like a seesaw? There is no magic behind it other than "tilting" the frequency spectrum, and then limiting with with the HP/LP filters. I'd see it as broadband EQ and not like a surgical one.
antithesist wrote:
Why would these guys need to make an enhanced emulation of an official emulation. Other than the enhanced part, that's Nomad territory, isn't it?
Don't think so actually. If I read it right (and got that right from contact with Softube), the "second" Tilt plugin is some sort of circuity evolution of the original concept. So we both have an "emulation" and an enhanced circuity. Much like G-Sonique which used the concept of Pultec EQ's and developed it further.
Now Sonimus goes yet another step further and introduces two fixed rotation points rather than one. And TAL TILT, er I mean USEq uses a complete configurable design alltogether (sans HP/LP and input modeling).
Now if Sonimus would offer a mode to shift the rotation point as well, we have yet another evolution of the concept and not a pure clone.
For the first time, I do not feel like left out in the dark. This time everything you need to know is written on the product page of Sonimus Sweetone. So there is no manual needed. Audio demos or a demo in general is a different thing though.
3ee - Wed Jul 11, 2012 2:19 pm
Compyfox wrote:
Now if Sonimus would offer a mode to shift the rotation point as well, we have yet another evolution of the concept and not a pure clone.
+1
paul psilas - Wed Jul 11, 2012 2:28 pm
Compyfox wrote:
Took me a while to find the actual "info" on the page, but what do we know:
Sweetone is pretty much a Tonelux Tilt "clone", both with tilt mode and "loudness" mode (the dreaded "loudness EQ courve" from old hifi amplifiers).
So now we will have three emulations of TILT:
Softube "Tonelux Tilt EQ" (the official emulation)
cross platform, 99USD Native - fixed frequencies, 6dB/Oct filters, 12dB/oct additional on HP
Sonimus Sweetone
cross platform, 25 USD - 2 selectable frequency modes, 6/12 dB/oct filter
Togu Audio Line USEq (formerly known as TILT)
cross platform 32bit, free/not supported anymore - no input gain modeling, variable center frequency and Q, bass lift mode
You can choose for yourself what you think might suit your needs. And Softube (finally?) has some competition.
Not on form today are we Compyfox?
You also forgot the 'Elysia Niveau Filter' which while not called a 'tilt' eq it is exactly that......a tilt eq and a very nice one it is too.
The Elysia also has the variable 'tilt' frequency that you mentioned.
As for the Softube version,I found it very smooth and warm but decided not to buy it when I discovered I could get almost exactly the same results from the Nomad British EQ.
As you rightly state Compyfox,theres no magic to a tilt EQ,its just quicker to get the results using a tilt than it would using a full blown EQ.
ps.You are forgiven
TheoM - Wed Jul 11, 2012 3:07 pm
well... meh... surprised the son eq has not been enhanced and go 64 bits which is what almost everyone has been waiting for. (not me but from what i have read, although i admit, i did like son eq)
$25 is $25 too much with no demo and no return policy.
I was not a fan of satson and therefore threw $39 into thin air.
when i contacted them (3 times to get a reply), they took 2 months to reply, to tell me that license transfers were not allowed nor refunds. Bad luck, it is cheap enough that if you don't like it you can write it off, was the jist of the reply.
How anyone can support this business model is beyond me. I don't care if it's $5, or $1, the guy doesn't give a shit about his customers, and is just looking for the cash cow.
Simple as that.
this is a prime example of a dev that needs a good kick up the ass with the new Eu license law. This is a perfect example. NO demos NO audio demos NO returns NO resale.
I think he is a complete pig.
i'd rather give softube my money any day, where i get answers within 24 hrs,
DuX - Wed Jul 11, 2012 3:19 pm
It looks really sweet, but I sooooo hate fake 3D perspective GUIs. It makes my mind collapse.

I mean monitor is 2D and when you see one of these things and try to tweak it it feels so weird. No wonder, because it is weird! You move your head and the thing doesn't change perspective! How can that be so?

Until they invent GUIs that change perspective with the movement of your head, I think this is utterly RIDICULOUS!
However, it looks beautiful [if not for the fake mesmerising perspective], and I can bet it sounds great as every other of Sonimus plugins.
I really didn't like how he made that gloss on the Satson Channel/buss Vu-meter. I hate it. I think GUIs on the computer should be normal 2D and useful. So I'm still using version 1.0!

[which is fine.. doesn't matter, it works great] GUI "improvements"... hmmm that freaking gloss really bugs me so much that I cant use the newer version. One shouldn't squint to see what's going on, and squinting doesn't help in this case!... damn. Gloss just makes it hard to see, so is fake perspective. I HATE IT WITH PASSION.
Anyway, I guess this is my first Satson plugin I'm skipping... and there's no demo, too. However I do have Elysia niveau filter so I don't think it's a big loss and there are lots of great preamp and saturation emulations, so I don't need another one...
I wish you all the best, and thank you for the one of the best freebie EQs around Pylorca!
Interesting post ttoz... it surprised me quite a bit. You seem to have had a really bad experience with Sonimus.

It is good that we have these forums to share the experiences.
Cheers!
audiosabre - Wed Jul 11, 2012 4:03 pm
I really like the look of this and I love the filters that this guy codes.
Only thing is Satson has crashed FL Studio ever since I've had it. I reported (with videos and everything, I'm a really thorough bug reporter, I'm sure some devs can attest to that) on 27 Aug 2011 and got an instant reply.
Since then they've been in contact, but haven't done anything that fixes it. That's too bad because I really,
really like Satson. SonEQ doesn't suffer this crash.
So this is a coin toss. Will it be like the free SonEQ and be stable as a rock? Or will it be like Satson, which has been nothing but trouble and a waste of time. I'm not bothered about the money, it's that I spent lots of time testing, emailing and trying to fix it.
I hazarded a guess I was putting more time into trying to solve this bug than sonimus, that's why I just gave up a few weeks ago
So great products, not so good support. Fast response on the initial report. After that I'd waited months for replies, and even been given false hope with the 1.2 update. I geniunely believed it would be fixed at that point.
I'm really not trying to badmouth these guys. Small outfit doing great things. But like so many small outfits the support is sot so stellar. I wish I could be singing praises right now...
Sorry for the slightly OT, but I need to get this off my chest...
For the curious 1
For the curious 2
Compyfox - Wed Jul 11, 2012 4:28 pm
paul psilas wrote:
Not on form today are we Compyfox?
Depends on what form we're talking about.
paul psilas wrote:
You also forgot the 'Elysia Niveau Filter' which while not called a 'tilt' eq it is exactly that......a tilt eq and a very nice one it is too.
The Elysia also has the variable 'tilt' frequency that you mentioned.
I have to object here. It is somewhat a "tilt" EQ, and yes in this case I have forgotten it (you doN't have any idea how many plugins I have in my head), but not like the Tonelux design. It's a bit more complicated than that, and it's not a clean shelf either. Try it for yourself in C.Budde's Plugin Analyser. It's been a while since I've used it-
paul psilas wrote:
As for the Softube version,I found it very smooth and warm but decided not to buy it when I discovered I could get almost exactly the same results from the Nomad British EQ.
er... Nomad British EQ is a completely different concept. If you only use the "shelving EQ's" (which have fixed positions declared by the multi-setting poti), then yes, you could get similar results. But it's not a tilt EQ.
paul psilas wrote:
As you rightly state Compyfox,theres no magic to a tilt EQ,its just quicker to get the results using a tilt than it would using a full blown EQ.
I disagree here. Tilt EQs are for broad "corrections" and/or minor finetuning. Much like Baxendall EQ's. They are (IMO) by no means equal to full blown parametric EQs. I'd only use them in an M/S environment where I might need a shift of the signal or a gentle boost here and there. Else I wouldn't use them.
paul psilas wrote:
ps.You are forgiven

Woha... is the mess over already?
audiosabre wrote:
I really like the look of this and I love the filters that this guy codes.
You do realise that most of the HP/LP stuff is basic Butterworth/Chebichev filters and therefore nothing special?
audiosabre wrote:
So great products, not so good support. Fast response on the initial report. After that I'd waited months for replies, and even been given false hope with the 1.2 update. I geniunely believed it would be fixed at that point.
I'm really not trying to badmouth these guys. Small outfit doing great things. But like so many small outfits the support is sot so stellar. I wish I could be singing praises right now...
Sorry for the slightly OT, but I need to get this off my chest...
This is some important valuable input. I still remember the "drama" back here on KVR with SATSON and then SonEQ. I'd take all this with a grain of salt and be cautious to no end. Too many firms out there that promise the blue from the sky (not mentioning names, you know who you are). So yes, I agree with ttoz in terms of the demo as well.
antithesist - Wed Jul 11, 2012 5:13 pm
You can do some nice one-knob tilting in DMG equality by using the tilt preset (or your own), but you need to manually set the control linking each time. You put one shelf in the "group" and the other in the "anti-group," and they will change inversely to one another. You can save the tilted curve as a preset or in a host session, but the control linking isn't saved or restored.
hibidy - Wed Jul 11, 2012 5:52 pm
Oh, something I can spend my little pay pal balance on maybe?
Will demo later.
DuX - Wed Jul 11, 2012 6:25 pm

hibidy, you won't demo it. Either you buy it, or have a banana.
I'm having a banana. And about to watch some Star Trek and go catch the dreamcatcher.
Also, Niveau Filter works quite well for the job of tilting. I don't think I need anything more. Glue some nice saturation plugin from Variety of Sound to it and you have a complete Tilt emulation... baaah I'm tired of this whole emulation bazoongah. Just buy an external console, a channel of some kind, too, and forget about it. There are fine consoles for 400-500 butchas, and channels with comp+EQ for about the same price. Then all you have to do is extensively use Reaper's "hardware VST" plugin ReaInsert and so long emulations. They won't get there before quantum computers are out anyway, and I don't have so much time at hand.
samsam - Wed Jul 11, 2012 6:36 pm
Good to see the, eh, discussion continues.
I too remember 'drama' around another Sonimus thread but I remember most of the drama coming from certain posters rather than the dev/company - good old internet.
No demo and no refunds is indeed a bit of an unusual approach, I like their products a lot but I too question why they do it this way. Hey-ho, you pays your money (or not) and you takes your choice. It seems that the dev doesn't post here any more, just on GS so if anyone has anything to say to him, there might be a better place. And for balance, support has always got back to me straight away; different people, different experiences.
What I like about Sonimus stuff is ease of use, sweet filters (you can tell me that they're just 'basic' filters if you want but something about them just sounds sweet to me), extremely low CPU and the fact that used wisely, they just make stuff sound good, which is what i value most in FX.
So that's

from me but to use one of those wonderful car analogies, YMMV.
hibidy - Wed Jul 11, 2012 6:39 pm
Oh, I get it now. That sucks.
Well then, I posted here for nothing. Sorry guys
DuX - Wed Jul 11, 2012 6:39 pm
Butterworth and Chebichev filters may be basic, but there aren't any better ones.

I find that a moot point.
paul psilas - Wed Jul 11, 2012 7:11 pm
Compyfox said....
er... Nomad British EQ is a completely different concept. If you only use the "shelving EQ's" (which have fixed positions declared by the multi-setting poti), then yes, you could get similar results. But it's not a tilt EQ.
When I say 'same results' I mean just that,ie results = sound!
I'm fully aware of what the British EQ is (supposed Neve emulation but more than likely a re-issue of the plagiarized EMI chandler EQ that Nomad were forced to remove from sale).
Whether its with a tilt EQ or parametric or shelving EQ is irrelevant,while the operation and execution maybe different,the final sonic results can be similar.
(Note I have written 'similar' not 'identical')
I had to manipulate multiple bands of the Nomad to achieve a similar sonic signature to the Tonelux but,the final 'sonic' quality was very 'similar'.
You are right in stating that a tilt eq is not primarily for surgical operations but more a sweetening,'wide band tidying' type of processor.However,both the Tonelux and this new Sweet tone can also be used as a warming/colouring tool due to the saturation emulation.
Now the battle is over Compyfox

.........or is it!
antithesist - Wed Jul 11, 2012 9:17 pm
The Tilt transformer modeling harmonics are pretty low, even at very low frequencies where they are their highest. Tilt Live does not have the transformer modeling. This page shows the curves that were emulated in the plug-in. I seem to remember that it is one filter, rather than two shelves. I've been able to make single shelf curves like this. Also note that it's not a linear tilt and plateaus below 100 and above 10K.
http://www.tonelux.com/mp1info.html
Compyfox - Thu Jul 12, 2012 12:33 am
samsam wrote:
...It seems that the dev doesn't post here any more, just on GS so if anyone has anything to say to him, there might be a better place. ...
He thinks that KVR is a kindergarden, and he's not that responsive on GS either. I admire a bit of arrogance, but not constantly.
DuX wrote:
Butterworth and Chebichev filters may be basic, but there aren't any better ones.

I find that a moot point.
Indeed - the thing is, that the main selling point of half of the Sonimus tools are "off the world sounding filters" - but you can tune filters from x-plugin yourself and get the same result. There is no magic behind it.
paul psilas wrote:
I'm fully aware of what the British EQ is (supposed Neve emulation but more than likely a re-issue of the plagiarized EMI chandler EQ that Nomad were forced to remove from sale).
No, the British EQ
is a Neve 1081 (it's even hinted at in the info page of the plugin). The specs are similar to the original module. They had to drop the EMI one due to copyright issues, which is Abbey Road's/EMI Chandlers right to do so (look at TAL USEq, the developers didn't like the association with "tilt", so the dev renamed it). Nomad however ported one EMI/Siemens/Abbey Road design which was also used in their REDD.51 console: the ANTEC.
How good of an emulation the British EQ is, lies within the eyes of the beholder.
paul psilas wrote:
Whether its with a tilt EQ or parametric or shelving EQ is irrelevant,while the operation and execution maybe different,the final sonic results can be similar.
(Note I have written 'similar' not 'identical')
No doubt about that.
paul psilas wrote:
You are right in stating that a tilt eq is not primarily for surgical operations but more a sweetening,'wide band tidying' type of processor.However,both the Tonelux and this new Sweet tone can also be used as a warming/colouring tool due to the saturation emulation.
I find a different use just as suitable: compensation of lost frequencies while transfering from tape to tape. Subtle EQ can fix the frequency loss in the upper frequencies while compensating the lowend boost.
paul psilas wrote:
Now the battle is over Compyfox

.........or is it!
Hm... A8, hit?
hibidy - Thu Jul 12, 2012 12:40 am
compyfox in hell:
"you are limited to one quote and a two lined sentence to answer
(hoping I'm not in too much trouble

)
kmonkey - Thu Jul 12, 2012 1:05 am
DuX wrote:
Butterworth and Chebichev filters may be basic, but there aren't any better ones.

I find that a moot point.
Yeah but their implementation is not always same
Freq. dependencies, curve shaping, etc.etc. Yes you can most likely copy freq curve of one great sounding digital EQ with another but the point is: are you really so damn stupid to test some EQ and found that you can get very good results instantly - and then to waste time in copying that same curve with your another favorite EQ which most likely need to use more EQ bands to copy original EQ in the first place.
Seems like a workflow killer to me. For that reason i would better buy that plugin which is giving me instant good results and just use it without thinking "oh...i could just copy that freq. crve with 5 band parametric eq.."..
Trakstar - Thu Jul 12, 2012 1:15 am
Mr compyfox, I know what it is exactly, I wanted it for when there is too much energy in the hi hats section of a drum loop which i quickly wanted to balance back, etc, etc. Thing is I did just this with the EQ, but there is a button called blow, which adds some deep warm end to the lows, and a another button you can flick called sweet and loud, and when you change between the two and shift the filters about with the blow button engaged, thats why I wrote what about the drums. Sure thing, its a tilt EQ for general stuff such as balancing the overall tone out of individual tracks in a mix, which I wanted it for anyway, I dont remember saying it was surgical in anyway??. So i would have been happy with it the way it was for £16, but when you factor in what those little switches can do and the difference of tones you can get, and then drive it into the preamp section, I think you might change your mind about it. True, its nothing new, but I happen to seriously like it, especially for £16. Ive got to work for 2 hours now and when Ive done Ill post a few audio examples up and you can make your own mind up.
Trakstar - Thu Jul 12, 2012 4:26 am
right, i am in the process of uploading a few demos so the link will be posted shortly.
jens - Thu Jul 12, 2012 5:04 am
lingyai wrote:
I'd be surprised... Not many vendors seem to accept PDF payments anymore
Compyfox - Thu Jul 12, 2012 5:10 am
hibidy wrote:
compyfox in hell:
"you are limited to one quote and a two lined sentence to answer
(hoping I'm not in too much trouble

)
Hey, at least I still keep track of what is going on.
heffus - Thu Jul 12, 2012 5:11 am
hibidy wrote:
compyfox in hell:
"you are limited to one quote and a two lined sentence to answer
(hoping I'm not in too much trouble

)
Trakstar - Thu Jul 12, 2012 5:33 am
Here are the links_routine maintenance to blame for delay
http://soundcloud.com/trakstar-whentham/sets/sweetone-demo-for-tone-preamp/
lingyai - Thu Jul 12, 2012 6:41 am
Trakstar wrote:
Hey, thanks very much for posting those, especially with the very clear track names, and for making it so easy to hear the tracks in a useful sequence.
I enjoy reading what my KVR brethren (and schwestern) have to say in this forum about various FX, VSTis etc, but it would be great to also see more bottom-line "here's how it sounds" presentations like this
Compyfox - Thu Jul 12, 2012 11:41 am
Well this is the problem... one FX can work on one particular source file, while it doesn't on another. You have to test it for yourself, take a look yourself what it does.
If there is no demo and refund, you can't. Even if it's fairly cheap, money doesn't grow on trees. But his is just my personal opinion.
hibidy - Thu Jul 12, 2012 12:50 pm
Compyfox wrote:
hibidy wrote:
compyfox in hell:
"you are limited to one quote and a two lined sentence to answer
(hoping I'm not in too much trouble

)
Hey, at least I still keep track of what is going on.

poshook - Fri Jul 13, 2012 10:12 am
try Custom EQ in Guitar Rig.... yet another
hibidy - Fri Jul 13, 2012 8:55 pm
I'm guessing this guys don't allow transfers?
samsam - Fri Jul 13, 2012 9:52 pm
hibidy wrote:
I'm guessing this guys don't allow transfers?

At risk of bringing on much drama and gnashing of teeth, I think you're guessing right...
hibidy - Fri Jul 13, 2012 11:00 pm
No drama

I didn't see it when I googled.
No problemo, but I am in trim the fat mode!
samsam - Fri Jul 13, 2012 11:03 pm
hibidy wrote:
No drama

I didn't see it when I googled.
No problemo, but I am in trim the fat mode!
Hibidy, i wasn't meaning you or in fact anyone who had posted on this 4th page of the thread...
Tell you what tho, I really Like Sweetone
hibidy - Fri Jul 13, 2012 11:05 pm
(it was a shot in the dark on my behalf

)
A.M. Gold - Fri Jul 13, 2012 11:53 pm
I really like green but I would never expect that anyone else would (though I know some do). I would never try to sell anyone the color green with no possibility of refund unless I knew they could see it for themselves first.
Compyfox - Sat Jul 14, 2012 1:30 am
Bssssssd!
Dr.Gunjah - Sat Jul 14, 2012 1:32 am
Compyfox wrote:
Bssssssd!
A.M. Gold - Sat Jul 14, 2012 2:32 am
My god, that's like the new Rickroll or something!
samsam - Sat Jul 14, 2012 7:56 pm
And my final post in the thread (at risk of becoming a company shill!), a couple of videos posted by a guy on Gearlslutz which show Sweetone in use:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ldFBlD6VBMs&feature=youtu.be
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SYwMc7XSaVY&feature=youtu.be
cyphersuit - Mon Jul 16, 2012 4:35 am
Does Sweetone bring anything new to the table? or is this some kind of vintage eg + exciter/expander?!
Compyfox - Mon Jul 16, 2012 5:13 am
It's an old concept of shelving EQ's shifting up/down like a see saw.
In this case, it's also half an emulation. But it's not an exciter/expander.
cyphersuit - Mon Jul 16, 2012 9:04 am
A bit like the waves hls channel?!
Aloysius - Mon Jul 16, 2012 9:19 am
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K-1VBoKdfWI
HcDoom - Mon Jul 16, 2012 9:50 am
So, does anyone actually use this type of eq for some really pro job or...?
kmonkey - Mon Jul 16, 2012 9:54 am
HcDoom wrote:
So, does anyone actually use this type of eq for some really pro job or...?
What kind of stupid question this is? What is really pro job? And if i am not a pro and use it does this make this product "bad" per se?
I mean wtf?
Trakstar - Mon Jul 16, 2012 9:55 am
HcDoom wrote:
So, does anyone actually use this type of eq for some really pro job or...?
You can use it "Really Pro" for anything as long as you know what you are doing
Compyfox - Mon Jul 16, 2012 10:59 am
Aloysius wrote:
http://youtu.be/K-1VBoKdfWI
Sums it up perfectly.
Nope, nothing like Waves HLS channel.
v1o - Mon Jul 16, 2012 4:13 pm
Any reviews? Does it sound different from the Elysia Tilt EQ?
A.M. Gold - Mon Jul 16, 2012 5:04 pm
cyphersuit wrote:
A bit like the waves hls channel?!
No, I don't think HLS tilts, I just think it's two shelving EQ's and a mid peak EQ. I don't think they affect each other automatically. Maybe I'm wrong, though. They may be interactive to some degree, but a tilt EQ is more extreme than that.
Burillo - Fri Jan 25, 2013 5:14 am
just wanted to show a bit of support for the dev. i recently picked this up and i'm really glad i did. granted, it doesn't do anything out of the ordinary, it doesn't do what other plugins cannot do, and there's probably lots of freeware that can do the same thing... but due to Sweetone's extreme simplicity and no-nonsense GUI with large knobs, it has become my goto non-surgical EQ (with ReaEQ and T-Racks covering surgical and linear-phase) and is often the very first plugin in every FX chain. well done Sonimus! looking forward to future products.
TheoM - Fri Jan 25, 2013 9:17 am
what do you mean a "half" emulation.
as in, it doesn't do everything the softube one does?
Burillo - Fri Jan 25, 2013 10:50 am
i believe it's a "half emulation" in a sense LePou's LeCto is "half emulation" of a mesa boogie amp - it is clearly influenced by tilt EQ's but isn't an actual emulation of a specific EQ.
hibidy - Fri Jan 25, 2013 11:43 am
*hijack*
Does anyone know if these products are transferable?
Burillo - Fri Jan 25, 2013 11:49 am
i believe they aren't
audiosabre - Fri Jan 25, 2013 11:49 am
TheoM wrote:
when i contacted them (3 times to get a reply), they took 2 months to reply, to tell me that license transfers were not allowed nor refunds.
That's what Theo got told (from page 2 of this thread

)...
hibidy - Fri Jan 25, 2013 11:52 am
Burillo wrote:
i believe they aren't
It was worth a shot, thanks.
DuX - Fri Jan 25, 2013 7:48 pm
It's a good tilt EQ from Sonimus, and I can't expect anything less. But I would rather like to see a good "console" EQ from Sonimus. Something based on high pass/low-shelve/parametric/parametric/high-shelve/high-pass type with nice saturation on top.

There are more than a few ones like that on the market, and I use DDMF's 6144 amply, but I think Sonimus could pull a good one like that, too.
Cheers!
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