KVR :: Instruments » Whats going on with IK Sampletank 3, any news? [View Original Topic]
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bobbybland - Tue Oct 16, 2012 7:13 am

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Hi IK, I'm just wondering if there's anymore information coming soon regarding sampletank 3,seems it's been awhile since we've heard any comments from IK regarding it,is it dead in the water,or will it live?

cheers

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MIDICH1 - Tue Oct 16, 2012 7:41 am

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Three months ago they said it was coming. Of course, they said that three years ago. I'd say it's vaporware.

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vic_france - Tue Oct 16, 2012 7:52 am

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(They're just waiting for everyone's Jam Points to expire )

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kev2525 - Tue Oct 16, 2012 8:11 am

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This was the last real update they actually made with concrete proof they were doing anything: https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.10150301378600147.536841.337617160146

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Peter - IK Multimedia - Tue Oct 16, 2012 8:21 am

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The last statement made that shooting for early 2013 is our best estimate still stands. I wish I had more information, but we are working on it and I'd definitely enjoy having more information and will head on over here as soon as I do.

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Ghostwave - Tue Oct 16, 2012 8:22 am

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I just wished they stopped delivering iStuff (which many meople don't need/want) and concentrated on ST3.

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bobbybland - Tue Oct 16, 2012 9:44 am

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thanks ik peter

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Rabid - Tue Oct 16, 2012 11:38 am

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Sometimes I feel this way, but I keep telling myself that the iStuff is bringing money in while the company develops ST3. By the time it comes out, ST3 may have an iPad controller ready to deliver.

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sockofgold - Tue Oct 16, 2012 11:46 am

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I hate to be "that guy" who brings this up in every thread, but how about fixing Sampletank 2 in the meantime?

It needs 64-bit support, and more importantly: fix the god-damned admin requirements on Win 7--that is the most insanely stupid thing I have ever seen in a VSTi.

I like you guys and most of your products, but if you are unwilling to fix ST2 in the 900 years it takes to get ST3 finished, I doubt I will buy the upgrade. Unfortunately, you guys have some ridiculous competition in the form of Kontakt.

Seriously, what's the deal? Why can't you issue a quick patch to fix the admin thing on Win 7/64? There is no reason a VSTi should require admin privileges to work.

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hibidy - Tue Oct 16, 2012 1:16 pm

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They've probably made more money off of that "i" stuff than anything else. (well, other than the constant group buys )

I didn't even know they had those pics. Something to look forward to. Considering the STAGNATION of hammond dev, I'll enjoy if they put as much class into that as they did with the leslie cab emu's.....

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TheoM - Tue Oct 16, 2012 1:20 pm

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what's the admin thing?

I agree, 64 bit version just straight up of sampletank 2 would be great and widely appreciated i am sure.

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rifftrax - Tue Oct 16, 2012 1:23 pm

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Sampletank = IK's own red-headed stepchild

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mkdr - Tue Oct 16, 2012 1:24 pm

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Why do you say it needs admin privileges? Doesn't on my Win 7/64..

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sockofgold - Tue Oct 16, 2012 1:43 pm

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To those asking: for a lot of people, ST2 requires admin privileges to work on Vista/64 & Win7/64, so you have to always launch your host as an admin if you want to use it. Otherwise you will get an error message saying it won't work right every time you show the GUI.

It apparently does not affect everyone, but it affects a lot of people nonetheless (I have seen it come up quite a number of times), and IK has been sitting on it without a fix for a couple years now--their replies to people asking on their forum is always "run your host as admin." Not an acceptable fix for a problem that should not exist in the first place. They even updated other plugins (like Amplitube) to fix the issue, but ignore Sampletank.

I realize you probably think I'm insane and making up problems just to get attention or something. If you're a registered user, just do a search for "administrative" in the Sampletank forum at IK. It's all there. Or don't. If it doesn't affect you, I guess you can just be happy that you're one of the lucky ones.

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TheoM - Tue Oct 16, 2012 1:49 pm

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no i get it but i'd always run everything as admin anyway.. why not run the host as admin? aren't you the admin?

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mkdr - Tue Oct 16, 2012 2:00 pm

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Security reasons most likely. Without admin rights the plugs can't access system files for example.


Btw. Are the ST2 problems only with Studio One(x64) and JBridge? I use mine non-bridged in Cubase(32bit). Giving accurate information might help other users.. or even IK.

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sockofgold - Tue Oct 16, 2012 2:08 pm

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Correct. I am technically the admin of the PC, but I don't run ordinary applications with admin privileges. That's the reason Windows had security issues for so many years, and it is completely unnecessary for a VSTi (Sampletank is the ONLY plugin I have ever seen request it). And to be honest, I like Sampletank a fair amount, but if it's going to hassle me to risk my PC's security, I will just use Kontakt instead. Nonetheless, I would still like to see them fix it.

I have tested on Studio One versions 1 and 2 (64), Live 8 (32 and 64), and Cubase 6 (64). Same thing all around. Honestly, IK knows what it is. They have fixed it for other plugins. My belief is they just don't want to deal with ST2 any more, and just want to push the "it will be fixed in ST3!" agenda.

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braj - Tue Oct 16, 2012 2:11 pm

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I also have to launch the host as admin in Win7 64 bit to use ST2. I may be an admin user but ST doesn't like that, so it requires you to run your host as Administrator, which isn't usually necessary. It potentially could cause a security issue.

Seriously, please fix ST 2.5. 64 bit and the admin fix, it is just the right thing to do. ESPECIALLY as ST3 is still a total apparition until we start seeing some screen shots and hearing *something* at least about the update.

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FrankT - Tue Oct 16, 2012 3:14 pm

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Seriously, who actually cares?

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Rabid - Tue Oct 16, 2012 3:24 pm

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Obviously you care about who cares or you would not have posted asking "Who cares?" So, ummm, you.

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TheoM - Tue Oct 16, 2012 3:27 pm

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u mean about the admin thing or sampletank itself?

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VitaminD - Tue Oct 16, 2012 3:28 pm

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There we go.. corrected.

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hibidy - Tue Oct 16, 2012 3:29 pm

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"I c c c care!"

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dexterbella - Tue Oct 16, 2012 3:33 pm

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I don't have the admin problem with Reaper 64bit but I do when I use Renoise and I can't use it at all in Studio One because jbridge is just too crash happy with everything on my system. So yeah, fixing up 2.5 would be nice.

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TheoM - Tue Oct 16, 2012 3:35 pm

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may want to talk to the jbridge guy about that. Funny, i have not had a single crash with the beta MAC version of jbridge when i tested it with ableton 64 bit beta and a ton of vsts.

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dexterbella - Tue Oct 16, 2012 3:50 pm

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TBH since going 64bit I've got very few 32bit plugins left and I mostly use Reaper or Renoise (native bridges excellent with both of those) as I find Studio One a bit unreliable CPU-wise. I got Studio One for ARA, audio groove quantize etc and basically use it as an audio editor at the moment so I'm not too worried about what few 32bit plugs I've got left that don't work with it.

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VitaminD - Tue Oct 16, 2012 8:29 pm

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Max headroom is creepy... I expect him, in the middle of his advertisement, to switch into some blurb about coming over to kill me and telling me something specific I did yesterday.

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braj - Tue Oct 16, 2012 8:45 pm

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Maybe Max is the ST3 project manager.

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Asuyuka - Tue Oct 16, 2012 8:58 pm

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I would get it IF it ever came out. How long has Sampletank 2 been on the market? For a decade? Seems like it.

Still, I have this weird love of it. Its cheesy, but I love cheesy ROMPlers.

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hibidy - Tue Oct 16, 2012 8:59 pm

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haha, that would explain a few things!

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FrankT - Wed Oct 17, 2012 9:03 am

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Sorry, ST3. Has been announced since...hm...3 years?

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hibidy - Wed Oct 17, 2012 10:59 am

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Yeah, but but........the pictures............

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Gizzmo0815 - Wed Oct 17, 2012 12:08 pm

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Sampletank has been outpaced by other products. NI has Kontakt which frankly is the 300 lb. gorilla in the room when it comes to samplers. And others like Omnisphere and Mach Five are WAY out ahead in terms of tech and third party library support.

I suspect IK has been unable to keep up with the other sampler offerings out there and have fallen into a quagmire of "catch-up" which basically leaves them constantly behind in the development of ST3. Surely one of the several internet personalities with IK in their name will show up to tell me how wrong I am. But I remain unconvinced after 3 years of them repeating "as soon as we have more info we'll let you know! In the meantime check out our latest iDevice".

This is what happens when your R&D and development team for a product takes a 10 year hiatus from consistent upgrades in favor of "iEverythingINeverWanted".

IK can consider me a lost customer. ST3 won't be able to do anything that at least three other samplers can do better.

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bobbybland - Wed Oct 17, 2012 12:16 pm

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a few screenshots would be nice,3 years is along time to wait,ik ?

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FrankT - Wed Oct 17, 2012 12:43 pm

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You mean this fancy Facebook imagery of 'the instruments' worked on by 'the dev" for 'the soon to come Super-Rompler' ?
Yes, that was cool. Hm. Not.

I think the ongoing ST3 saga has been the perfect excuse for IKM to do nothing on the existing rompler products. Period.

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danbroad - Wed Oct 17, 2012 12:43 pm

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Much as I liked ST2 [and 1 before it] I have to admit I'm not in the market for another sampler. Kontakt does it all for me and, like the iPhone or iPad, has become so dominant that its success drives new content and new content drives its success. A vicious circle [for everyone but Native Instruments, pretty much].

ST3 may well be awesome, but unless it truly delivers something new to the marketplace then it's going to work hard to break even.

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braj - Wed Oct 17, 2012 2:40 pm

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I don't consider anything that is still being sold by the developer to be discontinued, but I do consider it terribly supported. I personally could care less about ST3, I want ST2 that I own now to be fixed. It looks like the best hope then is that there will actually be a ST3 free player that can play legacy libraries and combis. We'll see.

Personally I'd love to see the Custom Shop model come to ST3 where you could buy individual sounds and make combis with them, like an ala carte banquet. It would have a good contrast to other sample players like that IMO and have relevance in the market next to Kontact.

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ObiK - Wed Oct 17, 2012 3:29 pm

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SampleTank 3 is being worked on.

We aren't going to be updating SampleTank 2 in the meantime, especially when we are in the middle of working on SampleTank 3. It will be able to read legacy SampleTank libraries and we will be bringing an entirely new library with new features that will set it apart from what is currently available.

Believe it or not.

Watch it happen.

SampleTank 3
2013

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K-Slash - Wed Oct 17, 2012 3:42 pm

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Take your time to get it right and make it come with a premium sounding library.

If you could come up with acoustic guitars sounding as good as the riff at 1min05, it would be the first time with a sampler .

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mUlMx20_Wr8

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hibidy - Wed Oct 17, 2012 4:15 pm

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In the meantime, there are plenty of ST groupbuys for 2.5.4

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Hewitt Huntwork - Wed Oct 17, 2012 7:25 pm

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I love IK, but every time a third party company releases an exciting new Kontakt format library I think, "I've got the wrong sampler." I couldn't be happier for IK that they landed on top in the phone/pod/pad accessories & apps world - they deserve it. But if I'm being honest, in my opinion the best feature they could possibly announce for ST3 would be support of Kontakt's formats, features, scripting, and libraries. If that shows a lack of imagination on my part, well, I'll be pleasantly surprised. And there's the rub - what I am really dreaming of is an upgrade path from ST to Kontakt. Sorry to show so little faith, especially since I know more than one of the IK crew participates actively here. Be honest with your bosses about what they're up against and if, heaven forbid, NI manages to update Kontakt *again* before ST3 comes out, tell them they should buy every ST user a Dr. Pepper (<- That's a Chinese Democracy joke in case anyone here has a short memory).

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sergevoluminous - Wed Oct 17, 2012 8:37 pm

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I already run Sampletank 3 in Tracktion 4.

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hibidy - Wed Oct 17, 2012 8:53 pm

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It's runs better in bitwig!

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sockofgold - Wed Oct 17, 2012 9:14 pm

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Yeah, this is pretty much what everyone predicted in this thread. "We are not willing to fix the issues we know about with ST2, but hey, you can buy ST3 when it comes out, and the issues will be fixed."

Seriously, I hate to be like this, Mr. Angry-Guy-Over-The-Internet, but that is a super shitty way to handle your business. Sampletank 2 needs fixing, and you guys refuse to do it because you want us to upgrade to ST3 next year?

Thanks, but no thanks. Honestly, if you are seriously unwilling to fix ST2, I'm done with IK. Sorry to say, but you guys have plenty of competitors who do as well or better than you at everything you make, so your customer service is the only chance you have at an edge. NI's customer service sucks, but at least they either keep their products updating and bug-fixed, or just straight announce that they are discontinued.

Thanks for replying, I guess. At least now I know where you guys stand. Really pitiful customer service, IK. I guess I will go ahead and uninstall/delete Sampletank, and see if anyone wants it in the marketplace...

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hibidy - Wed Oct 17, 2012 9:31 pm

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Hewitt, I love your sig!

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waltercruz - Thu Oct 18, 2012 4:50 am

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a 64 bit Sampletank-2 would be really nice.

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sockofgold - Thu Oct 18, 2012 5:16 am

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Read the thread. I (and others) have talked about what needs fixing at some length in the first two pages.

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Peter - IK Multimedia - Thu Oct 18, 2012 6:59 am

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I've sent the suggestions here to the Product Manager of SampleTank, for what it is worth. I don't really have power over decisions like that but I do try to best convey what users are saying, thinking, and feeling in places like KVR. Again, for what it is worth - because I'm not able to promise anything but I assure you I've forwarded the information about issues and ideas mentioned here.

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BERFAB - Thu Oct 18, 2012 7:14 am

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Back in 2008, IK announced a 'groundbreaking' new product called STUDIOPHONIK. Did more than announce it actually. Ads, complete with a GUI graphic, appeared in several cycles of Sweetwater's catalog, as well as other catalogs, IIRC.

Esoundz ran a nice groupbuy with a 'prelude' selection of ST2 compatible sounds that were done specifically for Studiophonik.

The product was to be one of the 'powered by Sampletank' instruments, alongside Sonik Synth, Miroslav Philharmonik, Samplemoog and Sampletron. And, of course, it was 'coming soon' on IK's site, where a placeholder can still be found at www.studiophonik.com.

Never happened. Nothing. Nada. Vapor.

According to Squids at Esoundz, from what I remember at the time, the project, though ambitious, collapsed under its own weight from the various expenditures for recording the detailed sample sets and developing the platform to support the complex routing required to bring the instrument to the next level.

I assume that at least some of what was learned is being incorporated into ST3, but the lesson here is that IK does have a history of over-promising on its releases, though Studiophonik is probably its most visible failure.

Kontakt, Halion, MOTU and others have since sailed past ST2 in development, and IK loyalists (like myself) have watched SOME of IK's catalog catch up to x64, while leaving signature products like CSR and ST2 inexplicably in x32 land.

I've said elsewhere that I've moved on. I love and use IK's current x64 gear extensively. But the rest has been replaced. Should ST3 miraculously be released during my lifetime (something I personally view as a 50/50 proposition at best), I will, in all likelihood, jump in. Especially if it will support the many gigs of ST2 sounds that I currently own and miss. But I will not waste any of my very limited creative studio time worrying about it.

Cheers
-B

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sockofgold - Thu Oct 18, 2012 7:26 am

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Haha, just when I promised myself I was done posting in this thread, you just had to mention StudioPhonik, didn't you?

Yeah, I remember that debacle. eSoundz even held a kind of pre-sale group buy for it, where they ended up just giving out a bunch of random instruments that were supposed to have been included in the final product. That whole thing was fail-city to the max, for sure.

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DarkStar - Thu Oct 18, 2012 7:35 am

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As I understand it, the three things that many people want to see in ST2 are:

-- Windows 7 working, without the need to "Run as Administrator"
-- 32-bit and 64-bit editions, for use in hosts without any bridges
-- bigger (resizeable?) GUI and text fonts, for us old gits and those with big monitors

I've got a feeling I've missed one more popular request, but I cannot recall it at the moment.

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Gizzmo0815 - Thu Oct 18, 2012 8:08 am

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Right and now we have an official declaration by a company member that states that none of the above will happen to ST2. That's a customer retention failure if I ever saw one.

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BERFAB - Thu Oct 18, 2012 8:36 am

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...Just when I thought I was out, they pull me back in...

Studiophonik has served as a reminder to me ever since that if the product doesn't yet exist, OR if the product doesn't currently have a promised feature, EVEN IF THE DEV IS AN ESTABLISHED AND REPUTABLE ONE, don't expect it to ever exist or have that feature. If and when it does, then that's a bonus.

Cheers
-B

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braj - Thu Oct 18, 2012 9:14 am

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+1 to both of these posts. If they actually did release an update to 64 bit, fix the Win7 issue, and simply give an enlarged version of the GUI, IK could let ST3 stew as long as it needed to without losing PR points with nearly anyone. It surely would help with their ST2 based sales. Personally the price I paid for the ST stuff is great, I got a ghetto price which is great, and can almost understand the ghetto support, but ultimately it doesn't make the items i bought a safe investment and it isn't good for the long-term rep of IK.

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ObiK - Thu Oct 18, 2012 10:27 am

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StudioPhonik was going to be another IK Workstation like SonikSynth, SampleMoog, etc. but instead was re-conceived as a series of SampleTank libraries from Sonic Reality that have been available on eSoundz (the Sonic Reality retail site). Here is the link to the complete product:

http://www.esoundz.com/details.php?ProductID=4772

So the product DID, in fact, get released. It is just in a different form than originally planned.

We aren't divulging any more details on the upcoming SampleTank, but it is still in development.

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bronxsound - Thu Oct 18, 2012 10:57 am

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can't imagine what ST3 might bring to the table to compete with the biggies like K5... tbh developing it is pointless at this point

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braj - Thu Oct 18, 2012 11:10 am

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Yep, I wholeheartedly agree. As a consumer I wouldn't even know there was a chance ST3 were coming if not for this forum. Saying no 64 bit ST 2.5 is really discouraging, I really do think the IK management is very very poor indeed regarding this issue. I still get updates and bug fixes for old applications that are several versions past what I purchased because those developers have real integrity and understand how to support their customers. You should never have to hear to work around some issue in one of the players to use the ST Free version, stuff like that is just unprofessional.

If you still sell it, then properly support it! I asked many times about a free version of ST 3 and that can't even be confirmed, so even if we do happily wait for it there is no guarantee it won't resolve the issues for most users without possibly needing to pay for an update. Given the cheap price many have paid for the 2.5 content, I don't know how many will be happy about paying a premium for a brand new version.

Anyhow this whole thing really tarnishes IK's image, had they properly supported ST2.5 with needful updates, it would have held onto its value better and not required all the group buys.

In an alternate universe I see IK having addressed the 3 primary issues we are mentioning, (64 bit, interface size and Win7 compatability) and integrated all of the various offshoots into ST, released it as ST3 and it competed favorably with Omnisphere (user content helped a lot!), undercutting its cost @ $299. This gave IK the ability to focus on V4 which really has got some amazing new stuff that we'll all love when released in 2013... because all of us were so stoked on ST3 and IK's other well-supported products, we also all started getting into their iOS stuff too, instead of feeling some contempt for it all.

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BERFAB - Thu Oct 18, 2012 11:38 am

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Unfortunately I have to agree with thoz and bronxsound at this point. Kontakt used to be a very difficult beast to deal with, especially compared to Sampletank. ST was the point and shoot model of the sampler world. Kontakt was more like doing your algebra homework.

But Kontakt's interface with NI and 3rd party sound libraries is much improved over the years, to the point that it really is now a point and click affair to get the sound you want.

Sampletank has its charms to be sure, but the world has moved on. While it would be fun to have it (and SS2, Miro, Tron and Moog) back in my arsenal again, the truth is, I really don't miss it much. There are a million other options out there that are, frankly, pretty reasonable. In addition to the countless Kontakt instruments (and Motu and Halion), there are some pretty great Romplers to be had as well. UVI is certainly competitive, and I recently picked up a slightly used HalionSonic for about the price of one of the infinite ST group buy deals.

Finally, I'm hard pressed to even think of a major DAW (and some very minor ones) that DON'T have their own sampler built in, along with some serious effect processing power.

I still don't, for the life of me, get why the ST2 shell has not been ported as x64. How hard could this be? Seriously? I'm not an engineer, so I personally don't have much of a grasp on what's involved. But what I do know is that IK's other old gear has been ported without a problem. Heck, even the smallest devs have been able to effectively port their little legacy plugs. You'd think SOMEONE in the IK boardroom would recognize the profit potential to be able to re-brand/re-market the hundreds of gigs of ST format samples to x64 users.
NOT TO MENTION THE CUSTOMER GOOD WILL ANGLE, which, you'd think, given the dynamics of brand loyalty, would be the No. 1 motivating factor to possibly grab that demo segment to market their burgeoning iOS app lines.

But hey, I could be wrong. Even though I've been knocking around this giant pebble for more than half a century now, I'm still amazed by how much I still don't know.

Cheers
-B

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Hewitt Huntwork - Thu Oct 18, 2012 8:53 pm

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Thanks hibidy! I appreciate that you noticed (nobody else ever seems to). I should update the math... haven't done so in about a year. In fact I think I'll do that right now!

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SaganTech - Thu Oct 18, 2012 10:19 pm

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Might it be consistent "MouseWheel support" on all platforms?

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ozinga - Thu Oct 18, 2012 11:56 pm

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Will it include ST2 lib?Because thats what I use ST2 for. For it's unique sound library

Oz

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ObiK - Sat Oct 20, 2012 12:36 pm

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Not sure it if will include the current generations of libraries, but it will be able to read them.

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k3ith - Sat Oct 20, 2012 12:42 pm

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IK have confirmed SampleTank 3 but it's going to be called SampleTank 3000... Estimated release time is Winter 2999!

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braj - Sat Oct 20, 2012 12:45 pm

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In the year 2999, if man is still alive, if woman can survive we may find....

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hibidy - Sat Oct 20, 2012 2:08 pm

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"sampletank 3 will be released, coincidentally, so will bitwig"

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yevster - Mon Nov 05, 2012 10:48 am

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Any update?

The problem with the wait is that it's inhibiting the sale of other products. A 64-bit user would not buy Miroslav, or Sampletron, or any of the libraries on eSoundz now. Think of all the sales IK is missing, especially going into the holiday season. Recompiling and testing ST2 in 64-bit is a distraction from the ST3 effort, but it's a valuable distraction, as far as IK is concerned.

A sampler isn't just a product, it's an ecosystem. A healthy ecosystem is essential for a successful iterative sales model. The SampleTank ecosystem has been hemorrhaging users after years of neglect. A 64-bit SampleTank won't bring them all back, but it will patch the hole.

Keep in mind, too, the competitors aren't sitting on their tails. NI may not have a release this year, but look at Steinberg! Absolute is directly competing with Total Workstation in price and scope. With 64-bit support, TW could hold its own. Without it, it hasn't a prayer.

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bobbybland - Sun Nov 25, 2012 7:27 am

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It better be great,I mean it better be the best rompler ever released! lol think about the lashback if it's not really good. Hopefully it does prove to be worth the wait though,I'm finding the current stuff for romplers out just doesn't float my boat,and 8 out of 10 times I just reach for my motif's or korgs when it comes to rom sounds.

I would hope with all of this time, they can create a better sound then the xs or kronos.

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wehkah - Sun Dec 09, 2012 2:22 am

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I also have the admin issues in Ableton Live 8, contacted the IK support but no real solution is there. I get a bunch of creepy workarounds who are not really helpful. I like to use Sampletank & SonikSynth in Live w/o any workaround. All other companys and free developers are able to get there plugins running on every DAW w/o such issues. This bug with the userole management seems caused by a mismanaged developing path, not less not more. So please come on IK peeps give your customers a clear statement and a working update, please.

Dont like to annoying yours, i like to use the software which i had paid for!

thanks & peace
T

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Arglebargle - Sun Dec 09, 2012 6:02 am

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Honestly, I think the ship has sailed for Sampletank 3. Kontakt and the other major samplers have become too dominant. What can it possibly offer to distinguish itself from its quality competitors?

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evo2slo - Sun Dec 09, 2012 6:23 am

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A 'Custom Shop' for purchasing samples and effects from within the app.

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billw - Sun Dec 09, 2012 6:53 am

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Oddly enough, after owning ST and SS for about 10 years, I'm finally starting to use them. Mainly because I bought a Receptor VIP in October. There are a lot of good sounds in ST that are still relevant. I also own Komplete 8 and while Kontakt might be a better tool for sampling and manipulating samples, it has nowhere near the sound palette of ST2. I am looking forward to ST3 and will upgrade whenever it's ready.

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Teksonik - Sun Dec 09, 2012 7:10 am

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Actually I would welcome such a system. Buy the ST3 engine alone for a small price and then buy just the samples you want. I don't need gigs of Trumpet, Saxophone, Guitar sounds etc but I would snap up good vocal samples, high quality pianos, M1/D50 type synth sounds etc......Having a system where you could add to your sample library right from inside of SampleTank would be cool but then my DAW is connected to the net...for those that aren't it would make no sense at all.....

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evo2slo - Sun Dec 09, 2012 8:01 am

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Yeah, good points, thinking more about it a custom shop Sampletank could be pretty convenient. Especially if there was a decent audition and trial system. I get the sense it's a small minority now that don't have their DAW online. I'd be quite surprised at this point if it's not Sampletank 3 CS that they are working on.

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bobbybland - Mon Dec 10, 2012 9:09 pm

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I'd like one of the IK guys who knows, to answer a question. Where are you taking your requests or inspiration from?

If possible, is it too much to ask for a simple 8 pad for assigning midi chords that can be triggered via one note like halion sonic,halion 4, or like the korg kronos,m3's and such.

What else do you guys plan to offer in terms of workflow features?

We know it'll be 64bit, better bigger gui, more sounds,better sounding engine, perhaps round robin, please start talking already!

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bobbybland - Mon Dec 17, 2012 7:19 pm

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Ik Peter? Obik? Ik reps?

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hibidy - Mon Dec 17, 2012 8:49 pm

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Hey, one of my best ones!

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bobbybland - Mon Jan 07, 2013 5:53 am

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Namm's coming up, any hint if Sampletank 3 will make an appearance?

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Evan - Mon Jan 07, 2013 7:27 am

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-- Share resources for the same sounds that are loaded in more than one slots... i.e. use only one instance of the sound in RAM.

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bobbybland - Tue Jan 08, 2013 11:17 am

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smart ram allocation yep

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rifftrax - Fri Jan 25, 2013 1:41 am

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IK Multimedia ST3 progress log [confidential do not publish]
Date: January 24, 2013

"Today I walked into the studio where all the recordings of sampletank 3's instruments are being handled. I realized, a computer had been left on. I promptly turned it off. Also, took a gatorade from the mini-fridge."

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gamecat666 - Fri Jan 25, 2013 5:37 am

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given their current direction in marketing and in-app purchases, that sounds highly likely.

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kbaccki - Fri Jan 25, 2013 6:37 am

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Given the likely mega load of content that will likely be included to compete with the likes of NI, steinberg, etc... I don't think an a la carte approach to content would necessarily be a bad thing. Get in on the inevitable "credits group buys" and grab just the add-ons you really want. TBH, I've been wanting an engine-only upgrade path for Kontakt for years...

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TheoM - Fri Jan 25, 2013 8:58 am

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Unless i missed something, i almost can't believe there was nothing at Namm. I mean it's 2013 FFS.

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VitaminD - Fri Jan 25, 2013 9:01 am

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Always Musikmesse and Summer NAMM... or they could spring it on us without a trade show!

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an-electric-heart - Fri Jan 25, 2013 9:09 am

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Why is everybody so eager for news on Sampletank 3 all the time anyway?

Seriously, I don't get it... Sampletank is s**t, just get Kontakt.

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djanthonyw - Fri Jan 25, 2013 9:10 am

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Seems they are too focused on releasing iOS stuff...

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VitaminD - Fri Jan 25, 2013 9:24 am

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I have Kontakt. The UI is terrible for simple usability. It was designed more for.. design imo.

I think Sampletank was the closest we have to a poor man's omnisphere... closer to a roland JV.

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an-electric-heart - Fri Jan 25, 2013 9:46 am

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Ok fair enough, I'm talking about quality of sound though, I don't think any of the real instruments, orchestral, band and such sound good enough to use, I don't think they're sampled in anywhere enough detail, I also just think everything in it has a kind of a 'small' dullish sound to it...

... anyway, Sampletank doesn't excite me one bit, I've got the XXL version (or whatever the biggest full version is called) and don't even have it installed.

... But, on the other hand, there is plenty of room for improvement, so maybe sampletank 3 will be vastly improved and worth getting excited about

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robojam - Fri Jan 25, 2013 9:51 am

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Sampletank is looking old and tired. It really is in need of a new version as it's falling way behind its competitors.

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chokehold - Fri Jan 25, 2013 10:15 am

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SampleTank2 doesn't have any decent sounding round-robin instruments, nor does it have a native 64-bit version.

Those are the two main reasons I just cannot be bothered with ST2 and Miroslav, which is basically ST2.

IK could have simply put out a "beta" x64 version of ST2 to make at least some of us happy during the wait, but they simply couldn't be bothered.

If SampleTank3 should really come with much better sounding instruments and a native x64 version, then I'll give it a spin.

I would actually appreciate it if they built a Custom Shop into it, because I wouldn't want to pay for (and download; and store on HDD) all sorts of instruments I wouldn't want to use anyway.

No need for Guitars and Basses, do all that myself, no need for Rock Drums 'cause Superior does it better, no need for orchestral drums 'cause CineSamples, 8dio and others do them better, etc. - so why pay for them?

Make it free and modular like Amplitube and now T-Racks, let me pay for what I need and want to pay for; best financial model ever.
Best for me, a musician, that is.
They say "musicians first", so let's wait and see what's behind that charming smile.

I mean, if ST3 ever comes out. ATM it's just Duke Nukem Forever all over again.

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VitaminD - Fri Jan 25, 2013 10:34 am

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Agree with you there.. the sound quality of the samples wasn't all that spectacular.. Surely they will have improved upon this though in ST3??!

But we have to realize ST was created 12+ years ago. I don't think they touched the samples quality in ST2 (please correct me if this is incorrect) and it was solely an upgrade in the software features.

I think they are starting from the ground up on ST3 with resampling everything.. probably part of the reason why it has been taking them much over half of a decade to actually release a product.

That said, I'm not sure I will spend much money on ST3 with how IKM handled ST2.. milk it until blood runs, no updates.. not sitting well with me.

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hibidy - Fri Jan 25, 2013 11:53 am

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You guys still going on about ST 3? At least the bitwig threads have cats

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robojam - Fri Jan 25, 2013 12:37 pm

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IK Multimedia ST3 progress log [confidential do not publish]
Date: January 24, 2013

Addendum:

"Had to admonish one of the Amplitube developers - he earlier went into the sealed off Sampletank 3 development room and turned off the computer I was playing Freecell on"

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KevWestBeats - Fri Jan 25, 2013 4:00 pm

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*flame suit on* I own Sampletank and Kontakt and I prefer Sampletank in many ways. Kontakt just makes things a bit complicated to use imo. I love Sampletank's simplicity. I don't need 100% realism just something that sounds good enough for me to get my ideas out personally. I am not saying one is better than the other in fact I am saying get both because there are some things that Kontakt does really well that Sampletank doesn't and vice versa example I prefer my brass instruments from Kontakt but I prefer strings from IK.

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KevWestBeats - Fri Jan 25, 2013 4:02 pm

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They just did a desktop update for T-Racks a month ago. They release a lot of iOS stuff sure but I am with them in the respect that iOS is the future. Why not learn the iOS market and have a strong foot hold into the market that will be dominant in 5 years?

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k3ith - Fri Jan 25, 2013 4:13 pm

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iOS (and other mobile platforms) is where the money's at right now. But will professionals be making music in the next five to ten years using mobile devices? Absolutely not! :s

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KevWestBeats - Fri Jan 25, 2013 4:22 pm

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sampletank free already does what you are describing. You can expand it with their expansion tanks.

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KevWestBeats - Fri Jan 25, 2013 4:25 pm

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People said the same thing about DAWs and now its the dominant way of recording. Pros are touring more and more and still want to create so iOS makes it really easy to create on the go. I mainly follow hip hop producers and many of them are saying that they use iOS stuff when on the go as a sketch pad already. Just wait until its powerful enough to really do some full on productions maybe not orchestra stuff but definitely top 40 worthy stuff once the mobile platform is powerful enough.

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donato - Fri Jan 25, 2013 5:03 pm

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Which I'd be ok with, but it's still 32 bit.

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KevWestBeats - Fri Jan 25, 2013 5:18 pm

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I am not sure why Sampletank in its current form needs to be 64 bit considering how small the sounds are. Its not like we are loading 3 gig piano patches ala Alicia's Keys

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