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rpc9943 - Tue Nov 27, 2012 5:38 pm
Okay if there's gonna be a t4...
1. Please fix first note bug
2. Please give us a "Reverse track" button
Had to start the discussion
valley - Tue Nov 27, 2012 5:45 pm
Right now the only request I have is that Jules keep his nipples covered.
I'll take stability on OSX 10.8 instead at a push though.
Gymnopedies - Tue Nov 27, 2012 6:09 pm
Man, Let's
NOT go there. Why don't we wait and see what Jules presents, then maybe, Maybe start discussing niceties and such.
If this stuff starts too soon then we might just burn him out before he's even started.
valley - Tue Nov 27, 2012 6:34 pm
Gymnopedies wrote:
If this stuff starts too soon then we might just burn him out before he's even started.
I wouldn't worry about that. The main problem with the Groundhogging is that people talk themselves and each other into believing things, and then feel cheated when those things don't materialize.
There may or may not be a new T in the works. There may or may not be something else. This new whatever it is may or may not bring world peace and end hunger. It may or may not have bendy arrows, and it may or may not fix a particular longstanding bug.
Gymnopedies - Tue Nov 27, 2012 6:44 pm
valley wrote:
Gymnopedies wrote:
If this stuff starts too soon then we might just burn him out before he's even started.
I wouldn't worry about that. The main problem with the Groundhogging is that people talk themselves and each other into believing things, and then feel cheated when those things don't materialize.
There may or may not be a new T in the works. There may or may not be something else. This new whatever it is may or may not bring world peace and end hunger. It may or may not have bendy arrows, and it may or may not a particular longstanding bug.
True Enough...btw, what are bendy arrows?
valley - Tue Nov 27, 2012 6:51 pm
Tracktion V1 had draggable input icons that when they got near enough to a track snapped to it, with an arrow that bent to point at the track center.
People were rather fond of them.
rpc9943 - Tue Nov 27, 2012 6:54 pm
Sorry I just had a bit of fun nostalgia.
fedexnman - Tue Nov 27, 2012 7:09 pm
Yep , there was already this - Tracktion 3.0.4.8 - Consolidated Bug Thread -
mfkne - Tue Nov 27, 2012 8:49 pm
Gymnopedies wrote:
Man, Let's NOT go there. Why don't we wait and see what Jules presents, then maybe, Maybe start discussing niceties and such.
If this stuff starts too soon then we might just burn him out before he's even started.
I absolutely agree with you...
rpc9943 - Wed Nov 28, 2012 3:59 am
Sorry I guess it's not the time for such humor. It's all i remember from those days haha
mcnelson - Wed Nov 28, 2012 11:29 am
valley wrote:
Tracktion V1 had draggable input icons that when they got near enough to a track snapped to it, with an arrow that bent to point at the track center.
People were rather fond of them.
Aw man...that made me go all misty eyed! I haven't used T1 in such a long time! As much as I love Ableton for the creative possibilities it brings (big fan of session view for arrangement / experimentation), I REALLY miss being able to edit midi on the timeline. Creating device racks in Ableton is fine, but actually connecting things in Tracktions racks was a whole lot more fun and creative.
Jules, you magnificent tease, I hope you're cooking something special
pough - Wed Nov 28, 2012 1:10 pm
valley wrote:
Right now the only request I have is that Jules keep his nipples covered
I didn't say they had to be
his nipples.
rpc9943 - Wed Nov 28, 2012 2:59 pm
What the hell is everyone talking about Jule's freaking nipples for, I'm here to talk about tracktion wtf!
bk - Wed Nov 28, 2012 3:16 pm
rpc9943 wrote:
What the hell is everyone talking about Jule's freaking nipples for, I'm here to talk about tracktion wtf!
Well, there's not much to talk about concerning Tracktion at this point, so we have to talk about
something!
We're just passing the time until Jules drops by again, or until somebody unearths another nugget of info pertaining to his "secret project".
rpc9943 - Wed Nov 28, 2012 3:19 pm
Let's all remote view and collectively obtain any hidden secrets about T. Let's call it a social experiment
rpc9943 - Wed Nov 28, 2012 3:21 pm
Oh and yeah that's a pretty feminine way of passing the time. Ya know
GermanFafian - Wed Nov 28, 2012 10:15 pm
While we are at it.
I want a horizontal mixer !
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It is hard not to repeat old mistakes for the sake of fun.
metamorphosis - Thu Nov 29, 2012 4:48 pm
todd sweetland wrote:
Yep , there was already this - Tracktion 3.0.4.8 - Consolidated Bug Thread -

I just added a few more bugs to this,
however feature requests are different to bugs notes, as they're requests for features which don't exist, rather than just noting things which don't work.
I've already made my requested 'features' apparent in the poll thread - but put simply: fix all bugs, make multicore work, make disk buffering work, make 64-bit ver, make it win8/9-safe.
I was thinking about starting a thread like this myself, so it's nice to see someone else's taken the time to do it.
m
fedexnman - Thu Nov 29, 2012 8:27 pm
metamorphosis wrote:
todd sweetland wrote:
Yep , there was already this - Tracktion 3.0.4.8 - Consolidated Bug Thread -

I just added a few more bugs to this,
however feature requests are different to bugs notes, as they're requests for features which don't exist, rather than just noting things which don't work.
I've already made my requested 'features' apparent in the poll thread - but put simply: fix all bugs, make multicore work, make disk buffering work, make 64-bit ver, make it win8/9-safe.
I was thinking about starting a thread like this myself, so it's nice to see someone else's taken the time to do it.
m
Oh and dont forget the " Bendy Arrows " from Tracktion 1 they were in T2 as well but you had to adjust a setting to get them .
valley - Thu Nov 29, 2012 8:34 pm
I think that ship has sailed, sadly.
I'm Ok with that, TBH, but the Mackie style input docks are visually distracting. I normally theme them out of existence.
engine - Thu Nov 29, 2012 8:36 pm
stop!
dont cross this line.
__________________________________________
valley - Thu Nov 29, 2012 8:43 pm
^
how odd.
valley - Thu Nov 29, 2012 8:55 pm
metamorphosis wrote:
todd sweetland wrote:
Yep , there was already this - Tracktion 3.0.4.8 - Consolidated Bug Thread -

I just added a few more bugs to this,
however feature requests are different to bugs notes, as they're requests for features which don't exist, rather than just noting things which don't work.
Matt, can we break the VST specific bugs out of your list. It might be useful to get together a list of modern plugins that aren't behaving well in T3 for testing against T?.
I think I'm going to let beno's Mac list drop 'cos its so old that the majority of listed plugs seem to be obsolete (either niche now or a version or more old). Getting some crufty plug from 2003 working probably isn;t as important as ensuring that those is wide use at the moment are placing nicely. I can sticky a new thread in it's place that people can add to.
My plugin library is way out of date, and since I've switched to Mac, tiny. I'm willing to start grabbing demos and testing them (albeit with the caveat that T3 is barely stable standing still on 10.8 ).
Spitfire31 - Thu Nov 29, 2012 10:37 pm
valley wrote:
I'm willing to start grabbing demos and testing them (albeit with the caveat that T3 is barely stable standing still on 10.8 ).
To my mind, this idea (testing new plugs on the stone dead and cremated Mac T3), seems like an eminent waste of time.
Whatever Jules is neither confirming nor denying to be revealed to an unsuspecting world at the 24-27 January NAMM, will reasonably have
very little to do with Mackie's last fumbling efforts.
I'd suggest just sit tight and use your no doubt valuable time for more productive pursuits.
Best,
Joachim
metamorphosis - Fri Nov 30, 2012 1:25 am
valley wrote:
Matt, can we break the VST specific bugs out of your list. It might be useful to get together a list of modern plugins that aren't behaving well in T3 for testing against T?.
Please don't - I don't think it's worth it. I think if there's a new T, and it's official - and there's a whole bunch of plugins with problems which can't be reproduced on other hosts, then, for sure, break them out.
Until then it's speculation, and there's only four plugin-specific bugs in that list, and two of those are for the same plugins.
I'd rather the list stay as it is so that there's one definitive list of 'things to fix', at this point.
todd sweetland wrote:
Oh and dont forget the " Bendy Arrows " from Tracktion 1 they were in T2 as well but you had to adjust a setting to get them .
Bendy arrows are cute, but once you break down the interface, structurally their functionality takes up a lot of extra room on the left-hand side which isn't necessary, and they're a total ugly f**king bitch to work with on larger projects. I'm comfortable with the new right-click input selection, as it makes life a lot easier in the studio. The previous method was a nightmare when dealing with 100+ tracks, you had to scroll up and down endlessly, and drag the little f**ks down. Also when you turned an input on in settings, you had no idea on which track it'd be aligned with. The current method is better for studio work.
Which is why they were removed in 3 (optional in 2, so there's more space on the left).
Having them optional is fine, but you'd just have to re-enable the extra space necessary for their functionality on the left. Provided this space was used to increase the length of track titles when you're not using bendy arrows, I don't forsee a problem with this, at least for most people who, unlike me, are using 16:9 monitors (so the space tradeoff doesn't matter)...
Spitfire31 - Fri Nov 30, 2012 1:38 am
It's a bit funny to see how many people here seem to expect that a neither confirmed nor denied Tracktion Reborn would look
anything like T3.
In view of Jules' extraordinary capabilities as a developer and innovator, I can't see him delivering a bug-cleaned, spiffed up version of Mackie's T3, which today looks decidedly old and passé.
I think that we should expect something new and stunning and
avant garde, while hopefully retaining the best of Tracktion's work flow.
If anything.
/Joachim
mandolarian - Fri Nov 30, 2012 1:50 am
rpc9943 wrote:
Let's all remote view and collectively obtain any hidden secrets about T. Let's call it a social experiment
Ok...I'm zoning in now. OMG!!!! No, it's not bendy arrows....
It's...
It's...
It can't be...
But it's...
Groundhog nipples!!!
OMG! Look away now!
MachFront - Fri Nov 30, 2012 5:13 am
metamorphosis wrote:
100+ tracks...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C_S5cXbXe-4
valley - Fri Nov 30, 2012 6:37 am
metamorphosis wrote:
valley wrote:
Matt, can we break the VST specific bugs out of your list. It might be useful to get together a list of modern plugins that aren't behaving well in T3 for testing against T?.
Please don't - I don't think it's worth it. I think if there's a new T, and it's official - and there's a whole bunch of plugins with problems which can't be reproduced on other hosts, then, for sure, break them out.
Until then it's speculation, and there's only four plugin-specific bugs in that list, and two of those are for the same plugins.
I'd rather the list stay as it is so that there's one definitive list of 'things to fix', at this point.
I see what you're saying, but my thinking is this:
assuming (which I am) we are looking at Jules working on exactly what people were asking for, I.E. a cleaned up, fixed up T3 that is modern OS friendly, scales to more than a few logical processors, and doesn't drop the ball when under load, VST bugs are a very specific case.
Most bugs with VSTs happen because either the host, or the plugin is making dodgy assumptions. Most usually this simply means special case code in either the plug or the host to handle differences from one pairing to another. (Naively correcting behaviour to make one partner happy will simply break another).
Any plugs that don't work in T3 are unlikely to behave in a theoretical T4 unless a special effort has been made to make them work. My point was that because a lot of people have moved on, we probably don't have a good sense of how many newer plugs break Tracktion. Once upon a time developers might have been testing against T. I can't imaging many bothering now, can you? It's quite likely that newer plugins simply don't work well.
The major, none plug related bugs, hopefully will just be fixed as part of Jules bringing his significant skills to the codebase.
Spitfire31 - Fri Nov 30, 2012 7:09 am
valley wrote:
…assuming (which I am) we are looking at Jules working on exactly what people were asking for, I.E. a cleaned up, fixed up T3 that is modern OS friendly, scales to more than a few logical processors, and doesn't drop the ball when under load, VST bugs are a very specific case.
But I am assuming that presenting a cleaned-up T3 wouldn't be anything to make a big noise about at NAMM.
I think that your reasoning is much too constricted and that you're massively underestimating Jules.
My guess is that he has something much sexier than a T3+ under wraps and that any current preoccupation with T3 bugs will be shown to be null and void. Whatever he's going to spring on us will likely have little to do with Mackie's mess.
IMHO.
/Joachim
rpc9943 - Fri Nov 30, 2012 11:28 am
Spitfire31 wrote:
My guess is that he has something much sexier than a T3+ under wraps and that any current preoccupation with T3 bugs will be shown to be null and void. Whatever he's going to spring on us will likely have little to do with Mackie's mess.
I doubt it. Obviously tracktion forum has changed and taken out the word mackie. Jules has posted, since what, '07?
Put two and two together, man! Tracktion will return!
metamorphosis - Fri Nov 30, 2012 2:21 pm
valley wrote:
I see what you're saying, but my thinking is this:
assuming (which I am) we are looking at Jules working on exactly what people were asking for, I.E. a cleaned up, fixed up T3 that is modern OS friendly, scales to more than a few logical processors, and doesn't drop the ball when under load, VST bugs are a very specific case.
Most bugs with VSTs happen because either the host, or the plugin is making dodgy assumptions. Most usually this simply means special case code in either the plug or the host to handle differences from one pairing to another. (Naively correcting behaviour to make one partner happy will simply break another).
Any plugs that don't work in T3 are unlikely to behave in a theoretical T4 unless a special effort has been made to make them work. My point was that because a lot of people have moved on, we probably don't have a good sense of how many newer plugs break Tracktion. Once upon a time developers might have been testing against T. I can't imaging many bothering now, can you? It's quite likely that newer plugins simply don't work well.
The major, none plug related bugs, hopefully will just be fixed as part of Jules bringing his significant skills to the codebase.
I know what you're saying - I'm an ex-programmer - but 3 things -
1. There's only 4 plugin bugs mentioned in T3.0.48, from all the reports on this forum, over the past ? number of years since it's been released. If there were, say 20, I'd say split it. Otherwise, please don't. There's a greater likelihood of those bugs getting fixed in a new T, if they're in a consolidated thread. That's part of the point of the thread, along with giving users an easy place to find expected bugs and bug workarounds.
2. We don't know if there's a new tracktion.
3. We don't know if a new tracktion will use the same codebase, and testing is pointless until it comes out.
If you want to start investigating modern plugs with T3, and you find, say, 10-20 that have problems that can't be replicated in other hosts, PM me, and we'll talk about splitting it.
Cheers-
Matt
Rock - Sat Dec 01, 2012 8:21 am
Couple of things..
When I first started using the Tracktion 1 beta, I expressed my concern to Jules regarding the future of the program. I had used Opcode's Studio Vision Pro before Gibson bought it and did the same thing Mackie seems to have done with Tracktion. He said that if he ever gave up working on Tracktion he would release it as open source. I don't fault him at all for selling, but I really hope he picks it up again. It seems like it would be painful to watch your love-child go neglected.
Secondly, the bendy arrows are very cool, but when you have a lot of inputs, they become unusable. With more than 30 or so floating around overlapping each other it is impractical to find the one you want.
jens - Mon Dec 03, 2012 12:00 am
Spitfire31 wrote:
valley wrote:
…assuming (which I am) we are looking at Jules working on exactly what people were asking for, I.E. a cleaned up, fixed up T3 that is modern OS friendly, scales to more than a few logical processors, and doesn't drop the ball when under load, VST bugs are a very specific case.
But I am assuming that presenting a cleaned-up T3 wouldn't be anything to make a big noise about at NAMM.
I think that your reasoning is much too constricted and that you're massively underestimating Jules.
My guess is that he has something much sexier than a T3+ under wraps and that any current preoccupation with T3 bugs will be shown to be null and void. Whatever he's going to spring on us will likely have little to do with Mackie's mess.
IMHO.
/Joachim
hm... you seem entirely unaware of the high probability that if
anyone knows
anything in regards to what Jules may or may not be working on, then it's the very guy you are attempting to lecture here.
bk - Mon Dec 03, 2012 5:46 am
^^^^^^
This. Exactly!
skipkent - Mon Dec 03, 2012 1:24 pm
I really like the Media bay in Reaper, and would love to see the loop browser in T become something a little more open and flexible like this. In Reaper, I particularly love being able to audition midi clips and have them play through whatever vst is on the currently selected track, at the correct tempo and so on. There are several popular daw I've come across that don't do that and I always find it annoying!
mcnelson - Tue Dec 04, 2012 11:37 am
jens wrote:
hm... you seem entirely unaware of the high probability that if
anyone knows
anything in regards to what Jules may or may not be working on, then it's the very guy you are attempting to lecture here.

Hmmmm.
http://www.rawmaterialsoftware.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=10055&hilit=namm&start=30#p57838
Quote:
The stuff I'm working on for NAMM isn't a solo endeavour, it's just something that turned up recently.
Curiouser and curiouser.
skipkent - Tue Dec 04, 2012 3:23 pm
Rock wrote:
Secondly, the bendy arrows are very cool, but when you have a lot of inputs, they become unusable. With more than 30 or so floating around overlapping each other it is impractical to find the one you want.
I think you're referring to the rack inputs and output.
The swoopy arrows are...different.
Think swoopier.
*Way* swoopier.
Then again, you may well not have it wrong. I've never had to deal with more than a few inputs myself. I could see 30 or more getting a bit out of hand!
aMUSEd - Tue Dec 04, 2012 3:55 pm
My biggest request (apart from x64 support) would be for it to be possible to record an instrument track direct to audio - in fact this should be one of the routings possible in the rack - instrument to audio record.
Gymnopedies - Tue Dec 04, 2012 4:35 pm
aMUSEd wrote:
My biggest request (apart from x64 support) would be for it to be possible to record an instrument track direct to audio - in fact this should be one of the routings possible in the rack - instrument to audio record.
That's a good request & I +1.
valley - Tue Dec 04, 2012 7:45 pm
skipkent wrote:
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Then again, you may well not have it wrong. I've never had to deal with more than a few inputs myself. I could see 30 or more getting a bit out of hand!
The most I've ever had is ten active, and even there the bendy arrows could get messy.
The Mackie style inputs could stand some cosmetic work though. They manage to be cluttered whilst still appearing very blah, and the four input layout just highlights how badly that design scales too.
valley - Tue Dec 04, 2012 7:55 pm
I think honestly, the FR that would be most useful to me on a day to day basis, rather than just being a WANT IT feature (of which I have many) would be if the auto-merging behaviour of collection clips could be made optional.
I abuse collection clips as pseudo clips, but unless I'm careful to keep clips trimmed such that they don't quite end on a snap point, the next pasted clip will just be consumed by the first. For the way I work, I almost never want that behaviour.
operandx - Wed Dec 05, 2012 4:55 am
Hell yes! I'd pay for any kind of Jules inspired upgrade to Tracktion. Been a user since 1.?. Nothing has ever replaced it for me. Still using it with 64bit Win 7 and it's pretty stable. The workflow simply works for me and I only have a few minor niggles. One thing I'd love is the option to set a count in for the first pass of a loop record.
motty - Wed Dec 05, 2012 12:32 pm
request: I'd like to see some advanced midi quantising features. For example, I play a piano part, and each chord has a natural arpegio or spacing between each note. I'd like to select a group of notes that is a chord, press a shortcut key and it would move the chord so that the peak of the chord hits the beat without breaking the spacing of the notes in the chord.
metamorphosis - Sun Dec 30, 2012 3:09 am
aMUSEd wrote:
My biggest request (apart from x64 support) would be for it to be possible to record an instrument track direct to audio - in fact this should be one of the routings possible in the rack - instrument to audio record.
Not quite understanding the difference between this and rendering a track?
Surely if there's some 'live' instrument tweaking going on while recording this can be recorded as automation, then render the track?
Unless I've entirely got the wronger end of the stick.
Spitfire31 - Sun Dec 30, 2012 3:34 am
motty wrote:
request: I'd like to see some advanced midi quantising features. For example, I play a piano part, and each chord has a natural arpegio or spacing between each note. I'd like to select a group of notes that is a chord, press a shortcut key and it would move the chord so that the peak of the chord hits the beat without breaking the spacing of the notes in the chord.
Why not play the chord right, from the beginning?
Joachim
metamorphosis - Fri Jan 04, 2013 2:59 am
I have a minor one: fix text selection when you select numeric volume text in the properties section of the built-in traction volume filter, so that it doesn't accidentally (but almost always) select the wrong part of the text (or usually, all of the text). I've never analysed why this happens, I just know it does because MY EARS OUCHYOUCHY...
shindigger - Thu Jan 10, 2013 7:24 am
Better integration with the Yamaha N12 would be veeeery nice.
tovokas - Thu Jan 10, 2013 5:59 pm
As long as we're dreaming...
Just loaded up Tracktion for the first time in ages. It's just so lovely and clean with the whole flow right in front of you: really nothing else I use compares.
General stability and reliable pop-free recording are the only things I would need to jump on a new version, along with the comfort of knowing it's being actively developed/maintained to stay current with modern hardware.
And 64 bit support would be super, super cool.
skipkent - Fri Jan 11, 2013 8:32 am
One small but critical workflow-related enhancement:
In a nutshell, the cup holder on my desktop PC keeps sliding back into the machine during playback and editing, causing spilled drinks and no end of ruckus. It can really disrupt the flow when the ideas (and tasty drinks) are flowing and it can be embarrassing to say the least when it happens in front of paying clients. "That would never happen with Protools" they always say and I can't really blame them. Not to be a nattering Nancy, but we all know Tracktion has always been weak in this area.
An option to lock that in place would be a god send.
mr - Fri Jan 11, 2013 10:33 am
When open, unplug the internal cable from the device and upgrade it to "manual". A small knob on the front will be a great improvement also. (Try to match the color of the computer front cover if possible)
skipkent - Fri Jan 11, 2013 11:40 am
mr wrote:
When open, unplug the internal cable from the device and upgrade it to "manual". A small knob on the front will be a great improvement also. (Try to match the color of the computer front cover if possible)
Your workaround is a great deal more elegant, but I have found that simply wedging in a screwdriver is good enough for now.
skipkent - Fri Jan 11, 2013 11:58 am
Can we apply filters to folder tracks? I seem to recall not being able to do so, and that would be nice if no one's already mentioned it.
valley - Fri Jan 11, 2013 12:59 pm
skipkent wrote:
Can we apply filters to folder tracks? I seem to recall not being able to do so, and that would be nice if no one's already mentioned it.
It's not really possible as folder tracks aren't audio tracks, just containers. The folder track vol control for example is not at all what it appears, it's a VCA, and simply provides scaling to the vol/pans inside the folder.
mr - Fri Jan 11, 2013 1:40 pm
But... you can direct the output of the folder track to an empty track and then….. (it's Tracktion!)
Winstontaneous - Fri Jan 11, 2013 1:46 pm
skipkent wrote:
mr wrote:
When open, unplug the internal cable from the device and upgrade it to "manual". A small knob on the front will be a great improvement also. (Try to match the color of the computer front cover if possible)
Your workaround is a great deal more elegant, but I have found that simply wedging in a screwdriver is good enough for now.
Phillips or flathead?
My request: "70s Rec Room" theme should automatically re-decorate my studio to match when selected, with adjustable shag-carpet height and odor.
Seriously, I'm kinda expecting if a T4 is imminent that it's not just an incremental update, but the same sort of fresh take on the current DAW that the original Tracktion was back in the day.
mellotronaut - Fri Jan 11, 2013 4:00 pm
i suppose, there won't be a Tracktion 4, but a Tracktion 4 ios
zippetydude - Sun Jan 13, 2013 9:27 am
My wish list:
- A volume control on each folder instead of a VCA.
- For when one runs out of CPU capacity, the ability to easily freeze and unfreeze tracks (i.e. render them to audio files) at any point in the filter chain (or at least so you can still use a volume control on the track)
- A Touch version of Tracktion for Windows 8
skipkent - Sun Jan 13, 2013 3:22 pm
I'm sure it's been said earlier, but there's got to be a simple right-click 'glue' function for audio. Whether it actually bounces audio behind the scenes or just changes the clip rendering on the front end is for others to decide!
A weird idea I just had that might not make much sense but, on the other hand might be interesting, is something along the lines of a 'clip based undo' in addition to the 'global' undo. It's probably flakey to implement and not that useful, but I'd swear there have been times when I wished I could undo changes to one section (or clip) without having to undo changes made after, elsewhere.
This would probably lead to time-warp conundrums like shaking hands with yourself on your 4th birthday and that sort of thing, but I thought I'd mention it.
skipkent - Sun Jan 13, 2013 3:27 pm
I'd also like to see some updates in the area of Themeing. I know some folks are really good at this, but I've tried making some minor tweaks to an existing theme in the past and been utterly lost. It's very difficult to figure out how things are mapped and what will be affected by a given change.
The other is look and feel. This is dangerous territory because we all love this aspect of Tracktion, but there are times with larger projects that...something...isn't quite right and the whole thing gets a little hard on the eyes. I don't know what the solution is or even how to clearly state the problem, but it focuses mainly on the appearance of the clips in the track lanes themselves. So far, in my book, Cubase and Logic do it best. You can load huge projects in those apps and clearly see where everything is, and the color schemes for the most part enhance the effect nicely. Maybe some time studying their approach could lead to a minor change with big impact for the look and feel of Tracktion.
mr - Sun Jan 13, 2013 6:47 pm
If....
I will see
I will analizae...
and probably
I will buy...
skipkent - Sun Jan 13, 2013 7:56 pm
Another thing would be a general upgrade of the included effects. A wetter, swooshier Chorus more like an old Boss pedal would be some fine!
rockstar_not - Mon Jan 14, 2013 3:46 pm
metamorphosis wrote:
aMUSEd wrote:
My biggest request (apart from x64 support) would be for it to be possible to record an instrument track direct to audio - in fact this should be one of the routings possible in the rack - instrument to audio record.
Not quite understanding the difference between this and rendering a track?
Surely if there's some 'live' instrument tweaking going on while recording this can be recorded as automation, then render the track?
Unless I've entirely got the wronger end of the stick.
The difference is that aMUSEd's request is a live recording, whereas rendering is a post performance option.
There is a middle ground here, and that's one of the little plugins that will record an audio stream to a separate file, while one is in the process of performing a part. Tape-It I believe was the name of one of the plugins. Ah yes, here it is here:
http://www.silverspike.com/?Products:TapeIt
aMUSEd is asking for this as a direct function in Tracktion. I've been a Tape-It user in the past and yes it is useful. I think there was another one called 'pre-roll recorder' if I'm not mistaken. There are some hosts that provide this functionality included in the base features of the host, but since I've not looked past Tracktion for my DAW, I can't name one directly.
mandolarian - Mon Jan 14, 2013 4:00 pm
I only request that it be available for download before Feb. 4th...
2015.
No need to rush things. This old groundhog has more patience than talent, anyways, so whenever it's ready, it's ready, with whatever features are required to pull me out of my underground bunker of Mackienforced despair.
metamorphosis - Mon Jan 14, 2013 5:33 pm
rockstar_not wrote:
metamorphosis wrote:
aMUSEd wrote:
My biggest request (apart from x64 support) would be for it to be possible to record an instrument track direct to audio - in fact this should be one of the routings possible in the rack - instrument to audio record.
Not quite understanding the difference between this and rendering a track?
Surely if there's some 'live' instrument tweaking going on while recording this can be recorded as automation, then render the track?
Unless I've entirely got the wronger end of the stick.
The difference is that aMUSEd's request is a live recording, whereas rendering is a post performance option.
There is a middle ground here, and that's one of the little plugins that will record an audio stream to a separate file, while one is in the process of performing a part. Tape-It I believe was the name of one of the plugins. Ah yes, here it is here:
http://www.silverspike.com/?Products:TapeIt
aMUSEd is asking for this as a direct function in Tracktion. I've been a Tape-It user in the past and yes it is useful. I think there was another one called 'pre-roll recorder' if I'm not mistaken. There are some hosts that provide this functionality included in the base features of the host, but since I've not looked past Tracktion for my DAW, I can't name one directly.
Don't understand why automation recording + rendering wouldn't be equally appropriate, still.
rockstar_not - Mon Jan 14, 2013 6:40 pm
metamorphosis wrote:
rockstar_not wrote:
metamorphosis wrote:
aMUSEd wrote:
My biggest request (apart from x64 support) would be for it to be possible to record an instrument track direct to audio - in fact this should be one of the routings possible in the rack - instrument to audio record.
Not quite understanding the difference between this and rendering a track?
Surely if there's some 'live' instrument tweaking going on while recording this can be recorded as automation, then render the track?
Unless I've entirely got the wronger end of the stick.
The difference is that aMUSEd's request is a live recording, whereas rendering is a post performance option.
There is a middle ground here, and that's one of the little plugins that will record an audio stream to a separate file, while one is in the process of performing a part. Tape-It I believe was the name of one of the plugins. Ah yes, here it is here:
http://www.silverspike.com/?Products:TapeIt
aMUSEd is asking for this as a direct function in Tracktion. I've been a Tape-It user in the past and yes it is useful. I think there was another one called 'pre-roll recorder' if I'm not mistaken. There are some hosts that provide this functionality included in the base features of the host, but since I've not looked past Tracktion for my DAW, I can't name one directly.
Don't understand why automation recording + rendering wouldn't be equally appropriate, still.
Rendering is a time consuming post-performance option. To route an output audio stream from a track, to an audio recording on a new track is a huge time saver. Does that now make sense?
Tape-It is equivalent somewhat to a render process since you have to go back and load the .wav file back into the project. All aMUSEd is asking for, and many folks back in the day, is to be able to use the output audio stream from one track, as an input on a separate track - it's 'realtime rendering'. There's a more appropriate term for it but I forget what it is.
ModuLR - Tue Jan 15, 2013 12:26 am
If you want to accomplish something along those lines and are using osx, you can with Sound Flower. It's an alternative driver that fortunately allows you to push anything on the outputs back to the inputs. Just turn off e-to-e on the input so you don't get any feedback. No reloading exported files.. dunno about an equivalent one on the PC.
ModuLR - Tue Jan 15, 2013 12:48 am
BTW, then you can do cool stuff like... set a clip to loop, hit record, tweak the effects while it's looping. Notice, the input is recording "takes." You can then comp them together in unique ways. Much easier doing it this way, than rendering your recording/midi with automation, slicing, and lining everything back up. Granted different strokes for different folks, but there is merit to being able to record the outputs in real time.
frankvg - Tue Jan 15, 2013 7:22 am
Melodyne ARA would be cool!
skipkent - Tue Jan 15, 2013 8:32 am
We might not want to discuss merits/lack thereof of any particular request in this thread too deeply. Might be better to break those out in new threads, unless of course a given request already exists, flat-out, exactly as described.
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Winstontaneous - Tue Jan 15, 2013 3:04 pm
aMUSEd wrote:
My biggest request (apart from x64 support) would be for it to be possible to record an instrument track direct to audio - in fact this should be one of the routings possible in the rack - instrument to audio record.
This is possible in Reaper and AudioMulch.
I really like capturing performances as audio and moving on!
metamorphosis - Tue Jan 15, 2013 11:25 pm
rockstar_not wrote:
Rendering is a time consuming post-performance option. To route an output audio stream from a track, to an audio recording on a new track is a huge time saver. Does that now make sense?
Tape-It is equivalent somewhat to a render process since you have to go back and load the .wav file back into the project.
That's more time-consuming than rendering, which doesn't take long and renders into a track on the edit.
I can't admit to seeing how being able to redirect input to another track is any different from routing, which has the same effect.
I think the only real difference between what you're describing and the tracktion way of doing it is that one way seems more intuitive, but isn't any faster, whereas recording automation is more useful- unless you're wanting to record multiple different takes.
rockstar_not - Wed Jan 16, 2013 5:54 am
metamorphosis wrote:
rockstar_not wrote:
Rendering is a time consuming post-performance option. To route an output audio stream from a track, to an audio recording on a new track is a huge time saver. Does that now make sense?
Tape-It is equivalent somewhat to a render process since you have to go back and load the .wav file back into the project.
That's more time-consuming than rendering, which doesn't take long and renders into a track on the edit.
I can't admit to seeing how being able to redirect input to another track is any different from routing, which has the same effect.
I think the only real difference between what you're describing and the tracktion way of doing it is that one way seems more intuitive, but isn't any faster, whereas recording automation is more useful- unless you're wanting to record multiple different takes.
TapeIt is a half-kluge to aMUSEd's request. I found it less time consuming than rendering on some machines because it works in realtime as you record.
However, the request is simply to record the audio output of whatever signal chain exists on one track, directly to audio on another track. Simple, no rendering time, no going and grabbing audio and importing it into the project, etc.
rockstar_not - Wed Jan 16, 2013 5:59 am
Winstontaneous wrote:
aMUSEd wrote:
My biggest request (apart from x64 support) would be for it to be possible to record an instrument track direct to audio - in fact this should be one of the routings possible in the rack - instrument to audio record.
This is possible in Reaper and AudioMulch.
I really like capturing performances as audio and moving on!
Exactly.
grymmjack - Wed Jan 16, 2013 9:59 am
Only 3 requests for T4:
1. Fix the disappearing UI bug.
2. Fix the skipped first note MIDI recording bug.
3. Make it 64 bit and compatible with Windows 8.
That's it

Everything else can stay just the same, these are the only things I care about.
What a blast from the past. I have my T3 box downstairs, and I miss Tracktion but I couldn't deal with #1 and #2 anymore. I've since switched to Live and Renoise and I'm happy but I would really love to use Tracktion again.
mr - Wed Jan 16, 2013 11:19 am
grymmjack wrote:
Only 3 requests for T4:
1. Fix the disappearing UI bug.
2. Fix the skipped first note MIDI recording bug.
3. Make it 64 bit and compatible with Windows 8.
See----> Simulating first note bug in this forum. Looks like that the version of Tracktion that Jules is using..... do not skeep it
mandolarian - Tue Jan 22, 2013 11:55 pm
As well as 64bit at some point, full multi-core support would be awesome.
When the T5 FR list gets going, then I'll make fervent and frequent requests for improved midi editing.
But, not now. I'll just be happy in the daily glow of a T startup screen that doesn't say 2008 on it.
aMUSEd - Wed Jan 23, 2013 12:20 am
metamorphosis wrote:
aMUSEd wrote:
My biggest request (apart from x64 support) would be for it to be possible to record an instrument track direct to audio - in fact this should be one of the routings possible in the rack - instrument to audio record.
Not quite understanding the difference between this and rendering a track?
Surely if there's some 'live' instrument tweaking going on while recording this can be recorded as automation, then render the track?
Unless I've entirely got the wronger end of the stick.
I find automation doesn't always capture perfectly what I play in realtime, particularly with instruments that already have a generative or stochastic element to them. Often in Reaper I will set up 2 tracks - one recording to midi and automation and one recording simultaneously to audio, then if the midi/automation take works OK I can keep that and edit it further, but if it doesn't at least I have the audio take, and often that is fresher anyway. That sort of flexible routing should be possible with racks but it isn't at the moment.
Another request would be for easier to handle automation curves (again Reaper and Podium do this best with their bezier based approach).
Oh and I would love the arrows back - I think they were far more intuitive to use than those static blocks, particularly since they never armed themselves. At least give us the option (classic interface).
frankvg - Wed Jan 23, 2013 6:29 am
FR: project in project functionality. Reaper has this, although unofficial and never fully worked out.
frankvg - Wed Jan 23, 2013 6:32 am
Although in Tracktion terminology it would probably be called 'edit in edit'.
mfkne - Wed Jan 23, 2013 7:15 am
let's see what they present us tomorrow at NAMM...
aMUSEd - Wed Jan 23, 2013 7:36 am
Hope AU support for Mac is in there finally
danbroad - Wed Jan 23, 2013 8:03 am
It's been such a while I can't remember what T has or hasn't anymore... But a few of the great things I've seen in other sequencers...
MIDI arpeggiator and chord memory input filters like Reason and Sonar
Easy one-click sidechaining, as easy as it is in studio One (including pre-fader mode for ghost kicks etc)
MIDI CC control of any function like studio One (especially transport and MIDI CC to alphanumeric shortcuts)
Ability to reorder and rename plugins like Reaper
An iOS controller like Cubase 7 would be lovely too....
PS. Is Mackie's FinalMix going as part of the split? That was quite a decent mastering EQ/comp, if I recall....
warp x - Wed Jan 23, 2013 8:10 am
aMUSEd wrote:
Hope AU support for Mac is in there finally
+1
aMUSEd - Wed Jan 23, 2013 8:15 am
The video says something about support for modern platforms and plugin formats so that's how I interpreted it.
VST3 and AAX? Possibly?
frankvg - Wed Jan 23, 2013 8:36 am
And did I mention Melodyne ARA integration? Oh, I did...would be really nice!
frankvg - Wed Jan 23, 2013 8:40 am
danbroad wrote:
IPS. Is Mackie's FinalMix going as part of the split? That was quite a decent mastering EQ/comp, if I recall....
Far more than decent, I would say. Found most acuma labs plugins pretty good, actually.
tovokas - Wed Jan 23, 2013 8:58 am
frankvg wrote:
And did I mention Melodyne ARA integration? Oh, I did...would be really nice!
That is one feature of Studio One that quickly becomes hard to live without...
Rock - Wed Jan 23, 2013 1:10 pm
frankvg wrote:
Melodyne ARA would be cool!
Or just incorporate Melodyne's capabilities.
pquenin - Wed Jan 23, 2013 1:30 pm
Only 2 requests for T4 :
- fix the bugs
- give it a modern look
ModuLR - Wed Jan 23, 2013 1:39 pm
FR: Non destructive reverse on audio clips.
... instead of the destructive reverse that's buried in "View Source Info > edit blah blah >basic editing operations." You know, the one that does exactly what I'm sure most people don't want... reversing the source, and thus any clip linked to it.
valley - Wed Jan 23, 2013 1:46 pm
ModuLR wrote:
FR: Non destructive reverse on audio clips.
... instead of the destructive reverse that's buried in "View Source Info > edit blah blah >basic editing operations." You know, the one that does exactly what I'm sure most people don't want... reversing the source, and thus any clip linked to it.

I'd give this one decent odds on being the longest standing feature request, and that's including the mixer page.
mandolarian - Wed Jan 23, 2013 1:48 pm
ModuLR wrote:
FR: Non destructive reverse on audio clips.
... instead of the destructive reverse that's buried in "View Source Info > edit blah blah >basic editing operations." You know, the one that does exactly what I'm sure most people don't want... reversing the source, and thus any clip linked to it.

Always thought was a backwards implementation.
For me the Reversinator dropped onto a clip is the preferred method.
pough - Wed Jan 23, 2013 1:56 pm
I wonder if there's any chance of getting some kind of scripting language implemented to add features or just to aid in common tasks. I've been scripting some other pieces of software lately (non-music related) so it's on my mind.
Also, an audio preview would be a nice feature to have in the project browser. As an edit is saved, make a snippet for previewing. For those of us who write lots of little song fragments, it would make the process of checking them all out again later a way more enjoyable (and fast) event.
That and maybe a list of plugins used in an edit. Tracktion has survived 3 or 4 computer upgrades, but not all the plugins I've owned in that same time have made it.
frankvg - Wed Jan 23, 2013 2:31 pm
valley wrote:
the mixer page.
Can we make that an analog console sounding mixer page, please?
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