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AndrewSimon - Tue Jan 22, 2013 9:03 pm

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My prayers have been answered

Trackion 4 .... like a Phoenix rises from the ashes

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bv6Ipdve-3k

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liquidsound - Tue Jan 22, 2013 9:34 pm

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The Mayan said ths is going to be the Golden Age.
Well, there you have it!

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hibidy - Tue Jan 22, 2013 9:35 pm

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ha!

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hibidy - Tue Jan 22, 2013 9:38 pm

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What's that you say? NOISY user base? I never noticed.

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C-note - Tue Jan 22, 2013 9:39 pm

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What a cruel joke...www.tracktion.com is Tracktion 3 on Mackie's site...

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hibidy - Tue Jan 22, 2013 9:40 pm

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Oh no, really?

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liquidsound - Tue Jan 22, 2013 9:42 pm

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Something is wrong with the link.
It goes back to mackie....

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liquidsound - Tue Jan 22, 2013 9:44 pm

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If this is a joke, man, this is a good one

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liquidsound - Tue Jan 22, 2013 10:02 pm

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Looks like this is for real.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a299v7VIQPA&sns=em

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crisis-at-music - Tue Jan 22, 2013 10:10 pm

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Holy moly! After nearly 5 years the waiting is over! Will definitely move back to Tracktion when it arrives.

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ostfront - Tue Jan 22, 2013 10:26 pm

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Release date?

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TheoM - Tue Jan 22, 2013 11:00 pm

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If this is real, i am about to pass out.

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TheoM - Tue Jan 22, 2013 11:02 pm

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OMG just saw the video, it's real. OMG.

except there is supposed to be a web page with info and a demo already, and it only goes to mackies current version 3 page.

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ModuLR - Tue Jan 22, 2013 11:53 pm

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groundhog love!

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warp x - Wed Jan 23, 2013 12:00 am

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We should start a wish-list thread

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christianmusicmaker - Wed Jan 23, 2013 12:14 am

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Discount for Tracktion 2 owners? Oh ok.

It has been a looooooooong time. Can T4 still cut it? The single window deal has been done and is pretty much standard in at least a few top DAW's (Studio One, Sonar) workflow is unique to DAW's for the most part. This may be where Tracktion can still set itself apart. But it is a tall order. Time will tell I guess. I still have some older Tracktion projects I could revisit in a new version Lol!

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mandolarian - Wed Jan 23, 2013 12:16 am

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Ok. I wish I could go to sleep...but I'm staying up until the tracktion.com redirect isn't stuck in 2008.

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EnGee - Wed Jan 23, 2013 12:55 am

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I really hope they will succeed. They need to work hard to return to the top as they were before the Mackie era.

Time will tell

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V0RT3X - Wed Jan 23, 2013 1:12 am

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I tried out Traktion 3 and actually found it to be very intuitive! I am totally interested!!

Bring on T4!

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miquelmatas - Wed Jan 23, 2013 1:14 am

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http://tracktionsoftware.com/

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mandolarian - Wed Jan 23, 2013 1:19 am

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Well thanks, miquelmatas, for that. I can rest easy now knowing that:


But when? How soon is soon? Is is soon yet? Sooner is better than later.

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Robin from www.rs-met.com - Wed Jan 23, 2013 4:05 am

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oh - well, i was going to get excited as well, but it seems a little bit of more patience is required until the proper website is live. must be a little glitch. no problem. i'll stay tuned.

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Mariusz_ - Wed Jan 23, 2013 5:19 am

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seems a little bitwigish atm ;D

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artificial - Wed Jan 23, 2013 5:28 am

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this is great news! waiting for some more info!

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AndrewSimon - Wed Jan 23, 2013 7:27 am

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From what I understood, there will be an anouncment at NAMM. (just a few days)
At that point Tracktion will officially change hands from Mackie to TSC (aka Traction Sofware Company aka back in the hands of the creator, Jules).
I also believe T4 will be downloadble at that moment.
From what I understand there are no major changes in T4 at least not yet.
What the current version does is bringing it up to date for OS, VST and hardware versions.

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fandango - Wed Jan 23, 2013 8:33 am

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Hooray!

Last week I shredded a bunch of old folders.

One of which contained my original Tracktion 2 licence details.

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EvilDragon - Wed Jan 23, 2013 8:35 am

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And you don't have it as e-mail? Bummer.

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christianmusicmaker - Wed Jan 23, 2013 8:35 am

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You should still have them in your Mackie account. Just log back in and they should all be there. My serials are all there.

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miquelmatas - Wed Jan 23, 2013 8:58 am

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http://my.mackie.com

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fandango - Wed Jan 23, 2013 8:59 am

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Oddly enough, I have the original Tracktion 1 email. www.mackie.com seems to be down at the moment, so I'll have a look when it's next back up. Thanks.

[edit - wierd, my.mackie.com is 'kinda' up, but a lot of the graphics are missing and it doesn't recognize my registered email]

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aMUSEd - Wed Jan 23, 2013 9:01 am

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Strange - it was up 5 minutes ago as I just went there and snagged mine just in case

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aMUSEd - Wed Jan 23, 2013 9:03 am

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Try the direct link - that works

http://my.mackie.com/profile/member.asp?t=rp

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pough - Wed Jan 23, 2013 9:33 am

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Thanks for the reminder about Mackie reg details! I just went to mine and copied out all the information. Best to keep a copy of it local, although I'm guessing that Mackie will hand over all that info to TSC.

I also have an extra copy of the full T3 bundle that Amazon was selling dirt cheap for a while. It's never been installed. I wonder if that license will be considered valid... I wonder if I can install it now.

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christianmusicmaker - Wed Jan 23, 2013 10:40 am

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Yep. That takes me straight to my license keys. fandango...any success?

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GaryG - Wed Jan 23, 2013 10:54 am

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Oooh, that's freaky, page loaded with my email and password completed. Can't remember the last time I logged into my mackie account (would have said five years ago?) so have no idea how Chrome would have these details...? Not even an email I use anymore...

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fandango - Wed Jan 23, 2013 11:08 am

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'fraid not, I have tried every email account I can think of (including the one I'm certain I used) but I get "unrecognised email/user".

Ah well, on the plus side I'm pretty happy with Cubase thesedays and the last thing I need is to be distracted by DAW lust again, so perhaps this is a blessing in disguise?

(and if it turns out to be awesome and it transpires that I can't live without Tracktion again, I'd still be happy to buy again as a new customer)

I still have the Mackie order email, so I've forwarded that to Mackie support to see if anyone can assist.

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bk - Wed Jan 23, 2013 11:10 am

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That's already been on the Tracktion forum for over a month...

The link to Mackie's website hasn't been severed yet, because officially, Tracktion 4 has not been announced. It's supposed to happen at NAMM, which starts tomorrow.

Also, it's possible Mackie still owns T3, so they can have info up about it forever...?

The above is all IMHO. I have no inside info.

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Stephan326 - Wed Jan 23, 2013 11:49 am

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I got my keys...

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christianmusicmaker - Wed Jan 23, 2013 11:50 am

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That should be enough to get you sorted.

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leggie - Wed Jan 23, 2013 12:04 pm

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Upgrade only from 2 and 3 ? what about us 1 owners ?

Also shocked I brought 1 in 2004 !!!! where did all that time go !

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bk - Wed Jan 23, 2013 1:14 pm

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Shortly before T2 came out, they gave away version 1 for free. It seems unlikely they will offer cheap upgrades to everyone who obtained T1 at that time.

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skipscada - Wed Jan 23, 2013 1:46 pm

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... which is exactly what they should be doing. Keep it going and don't break it. Streamline, streamline, streamline! Bundling plugins and loops and just trying to make it look expensive Mackie-style is pointless. What they should be asking isn't "which new features do you want?", but "which operations do you feel are too cumbersome / take too long time / are hard to get your head around?" and then they should use their gifted heads to work out ways of making these operations easier/faster to do or easier to understand. Extending the arsenal of built-in plugins with Jules-made versions of popular plugin types could be an idea, but not essential.

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grymmjack - Wed Jan 23, 2013 1:52 pm

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great news.

is it out yet?

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hibidy - Wed Jan 23, 2013 1:55 pm

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Saturday Feb 2nd, this year. Perfect

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rpc9943 - Wed Jan 23, 2013 1:55 pm

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FULL CIRCLE Thank you Jules and TSC!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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bk - Wed Jan 23, 2013 2:05 pm

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Your groundhog is showing...

oh, wait... so is mine!

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mandolarian - Wed Jan 23, 2013 2:08 pm

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+1000. No feature-creep for now, please. Safety first - Smooth and Stable. Get the G-hogs back to the trough. Then later they can create bloated, bug-festering feature-puss for T5 and order will be restored to the universe.

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ModuLR - Wed Jan 23, 2013 2:19 pm

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+1! couldn't have said it better... STREAMLINE!

BTW, I love the title of this thread.. so I adapted it.

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mandolarian - Wed Jan 23, 2013 2:32 pm

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asnor - Wed Jan 23, 2013 7:50 pm

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We, Tracktion 1.5, freeloaders have an NFR license, so I imagine they could offer paying v1 users an upgrade path if they wanted to.

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bk - Wed Jan 23, 2013 10:17 pm

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Looks like they're including T1 users in the upgrade pricing as well...

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christianmusicmaker - Wed Jan 23, 2013 11:56 pm

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If T4 is going to have a decent chance of sustained growth in a vastly different DAW market compared to the one T3 entered so many years ago then offering T.v1 owners an upgrade path is absolutely critical.

It looks like Jules and co. agree.

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luxgud - Thu Jan 24, 2013 7:57 am

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logged into my acount at Mackie (out of curiousity) and found licences for T1 and T2. The T1 licence was registered in 2004 !

Has Jules awoken from a cryogenic suspension or something ?

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AndrewSimon - Thu Jan 24, 2013 8:30 am

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I think it's pretty clear, Mackie purchased Tracktion so they can
have something to bundle with their hardware.
I don't think they wanted to invest money in it, after all T was just a marketing candy they included in the box with their "real product".
And now that this candy is outdated and not a good promotional material anymore they got rid of it...... LUCKY FOR US!

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leggie - Thu Jan 24, 2013 11:52 am

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Best news I have had today nice price too.

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pc999 - Thu Jan 24, 2013 12:15 pm

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New OSs? Linux?

[quote="bk"]

Where is that?

Anyway seems like a nice price for a updated/upgraded Tracktion (given what on T3 features, which I never used it).

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4lb Kitty - Thu Jan 24, 2013 12:45 pm

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I have T3, which I've never installed. Do you think it would be possible to register it now?

I'm curious to try it out, even though I'm perfectly happy with Cubase.

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hibidy - Thu Jan 24, 2013 12:49 pm

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You guys are almost talking like this available now?

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mandolarian - Thu Jan 24, 2013 1:09 pm

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It is. Ready to go. Done. Dusted. Hit the Play button.

Just as soon as their lazy webmasters get the new 'Groundhogs looking for love' site online: http://tracktionsoftware.com/

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leggie - Thu Jan 24, 2013 1:13 pm

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Did anyone like using the Tracktion midi editor ? been so long I vaguely remember but found it irksome,think it was the scrolling around. Hope they have improved that.

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Arglebargle - Thu Jan 24, 2013 2:01 pm

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I predict it will be a massive disappointment, and all the Tracktion fanboys will commit suicide.

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leggie - Thu Jan 24, 2013 2:07 pm

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I'm considering ebaying my 1 license as an antique version.

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JeffSanders - Thu Jan 24, 2013 2:07 pm

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Send it in.

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mandolarian - Thu Jan 24, 2013 2:12 pm

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For the record, we're fanhogs, or more correctly, Groundhogs or Tracktioneers. And much to your disappointment, I predict the new, redeemed Tracktion will be a massive success. While we may whine a little about feature set, we now have a future T5 to live for and an update-to-date T4 to live with. (Or will soon if the minute-by-minute anxious wait for the new site doesn't kill us first.)

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Mariusz_ - Thu Jan 24, 2013 5:01 pm

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it's there - http://www.tracktion.com/ so I registered, downloaded the demo, after 15 minutes I cant stand it anymore. its just awfull, sorry guys the gui is just horrible. took me 10 minutes to figure out how to add vsti, didnt manage to find any kind of mixer view so pardon me - its one of the quickest uninstalls in my history of music apps.

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pc999 - Thu Jan 24, 2013 6:13 pm

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Edit/Second impression: nice features, nice price, old workflow/interface/jargon but once one is used to it it may be "fast enough" to do stuff, nice modular rack too.

Given the 60$ and some time to get used it may be fine for some cool stuff I cant tell very well yet but seems to have a nice feature set (for the price), but the interface is really old and the workflow could use some big improvements too (past is ctrl+i), for those used to new stuff it need some digging to get how to do stuff, but it may not be that much slower than newer stuff. The Racks are modular and seems better than many things out there so it is a big plus. No native instruments and not many fx (eg no distortion). The midi editor could get some work too (although no much less features than Reason's )

Anyway given the price and potential upgrades it may have some potential. /Edit/Second impression



I never tried T3 but I...

Fully agree, the past shortcut is ctrl+i to give the example, it seems to try some clip things like Ableton Live but I dont see how you can do stuff like cut a audio clip without going to a menu, I still dont know who to insert a VSTi, and to be honest I am not very interested to know how.

Horrible workflow IMO!

But I will try a bit more, maybe it is just a first impression to a different workflow.

BTW from the maker of of Juce I really expected a Linux version.


Anyway it seems very fast and responsive, load fast and easy to record in 1 second.

Nice price for what seems to be the features if you like the workflow.

Testing more.

Edit: to put a VSTi "just" drag the filter green box to the green part at the end of the tracks...

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hibidy - Thu Jan 24, 2013 6:18 pm

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lolz.

Anyways, I'll DL the demo later, what are the restrictions?

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EnGee - Thu Jan 24, 2013 6:27 pm

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I downloaded the demo and install it but I didn't check it yet (I must go out now!) But the price is just $59?!! Really? Wow!
I need to check it and see if it will do for me (mostly yes! )

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pdxindy - Thu Jan 24, 2013 6:45 pm

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I used the use Tracktion and liked it... until it started crashing... so I switched to Live. There is no way I would go back cause Live's racks are indispensable. No way I want to do without them... but for the $60 price, I am sure Tracktion (if stable) will be useful for many people.

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mandolarian - Thu Jan 24, 2013 6:54 pm

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ctrl+c is copy - ctrl+v is paste (unless you change the keyboard shortcuts)
Click and Drag the Filter Box (VST or VSTi)to the destination track. Copy and paste the VST (filter) to other tracks as required.

/ key slices a clip at the cursor point.

Too bad for you. For me, it's wonderful PLAYflow. Hardly any work at all.

Yes, give it little while. Viva la difference!

There is. Just not fully tested and released yet. I know, I know, day 1 and still these issues.

Love the workflow, but I said that already. For me and many other G-hogs, it's more flow, less work.

Not only a green box - custom color themes are available from the Settings tab - User Interface Panel.

Enjoy your possible future Groundhog life! (We can explain the groundhog thing later, maybe early Feb.)

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careyletendre - Thu Jan 24, 2013 7:00 pm

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I just bought Tracktion today simply out of principle. I believe is what TSC is doing and wholeheartedly support their endeavour to emancipate this popular program. However, I'm not sure i will use it since I have enough hosts already but look forward to following it's development.

I wish all the best in the future for Jules and his team.

Carey

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pc999 - Thu Jan 24, 2013 7:10 pm

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Thanks mandolarian, funny first time the ctrl+v didnt work I saw in the menu ctrl+i and it worked, now both work Anyway I updated my impressions, anyway for a first impressions it does a bad job... But I will try it a bit more maybe I will "get it" more...

Very nice to know about a Linux version!!!

And please explain the Groundhog thing!


Second impression: fast/lightweight, nice features, nice price, old workflow/interface/jargon but once one is used to it it may be "fast enough" to do stuff, nice modular rack too.

Given the 60$ and some time to get used it may be fine for some cool stuff I cant tell very well yet but seems to have a nice feature set (for the price), but the interface is old and the workflow could use some big improvements too, although you can record stuff very very fast, need more testing, for those used to new stuff it need some digging to get how to do stuff, but it may not be that much slower than newer stuff. The Racks are modular and seems better than many things out there so it is a big plus. No native instruments and not many fx (eg no distortion). The midi editor could get some work too (although no much less features than Reason's but much less that S1).

Anyway given the price and potential upgrades it may have some big potential.

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EnGee - Thu Jan 24, 2013 9:13 pm

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Well, I have checked it and I think I will wait till they release a major upgrade, maybe version 4.5 or 5.

I didn't feel there were big differences from the Tracktion 8 years ago! Which it is not a bad thing but IMO it needs some work.

I mean I don't know what it can give me more than Cubase Elements 6 does? Maybe the workflow is faster but I need to purchase additional drums vsti instead of the Grove Agent One in Cubase. Also the midi editing is far behind Cubase (how can I write a midi pattern for the drums?).

I believe in giving enough time for the developer to enhance it then I'll see

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sellyoursoul - Thu Jan 24, 2013 9:40 pm

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I haven't used Tracktion since an early free version was released. I remember liking the layout, but it was really unstable at the time. I assume things have changed since, but I don't know. If it is stable, $59, running on Linux, sounds interesting to me, even if it isn't my main daw.

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hibidy - Thu Jan 24, 2013 10:15 pm

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I've got hosts that work. I need to channel that money process towards the NI verbs...........

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mandolarian - Thu Jan 24, 2013 10:41 pm

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Ok..you're saying you're a money channel. A channel is like a river, a river that winds its way round sensible obstacles like budgets. So, you're going to buy Tracktion on the weekend then?

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hibidy - Thu Jan 24, 2013 10:48 pm

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Not likely though because I have two (actually 3, well actually FOUR) hosts that have more in the way of midi.

Don't get me wrong though, number 5 wouldn't be a "fifth wheel"

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fandango - Fri Jan 25, 2013 1:36 am

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I remember a distinct problem whereby the resolution CC events was dependent on the zoom level in the MIDI editor. This is the first thing I'll be looking at when I demo it and if it's still the same (as I imagine it probably is, Tracktion simply brought up to date, which is no bad thing!) then that will be major incentive for me to stick with Cubase.

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standalone - Fri Jan 25, 2013 1:54 am

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Tracktion 3 video tutorials, now free:

http://www.youtube.com/user/StreamworksAudio/videos?query=tracktion

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pwal - Fri Jan 25, 2013 1:55 am

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will it be x64? i also rediscovered my freeloader license key

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Mariusz_ - Fri Jan 25, 2013 2:58 am

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maybe its workflow was quick 8 years ago, but now, with snap-on DAWs like Studio One or Sonar on the market - the workflow here is just weird and trublesome due to lots of non-standard ways of doing many things, forced without any particular reason. And where are my right-click menus ffs?!
One more thing - half of the interface looks like it was made for people who cannot see a bloody thing without two pairs of glasses, another half needs constant zooming in and out. This is crazy, I just cant understand the hype.

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sellyoursoul - Fri Jan 25, 2013 3:23 am

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You must not have seen the mess that is audio on Linux. Any decent daw would be a welcome addition.

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tony_12345 - Fri Jan 25, 2013 3:42 am

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Is the "Final Mix" plugin included? I installed the demo, but I can't find it.

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fandango - Fri Jan 25, 2013 4:53 am

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If memory serves, Final Mix was only included as part of the deal with Mackie? I believe jules just has the Tracktion rights now.

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pwal - Fri Jan 25, 2013 5:25 am

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it seems to be

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pc999 - Fri Jan 25, 2013 6:21 am

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Actually the workflow get a lot faster from the first impressions to a later bit, probably still not as fast as S1, but lots of potential.

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pwal - Fri Jan 25, 2013 7:22 am

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my mackie login doesn't work on the new site but i'm hoping it's just due to "still deploying the new site"

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4lb Kitty - Fri Jan 25, 2013 7:28 am

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Mine, either, but then again, I just registered yesterday.

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pwal - Fri Jan 25, 2013 9:06 am

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i registered in 2004

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pwal - Fri Jan 25, 2013 9:49 am

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the reset pw works

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mcnelson - Fri Jan 25, 2013 12:03 pm

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I think a lot of people are missing the point. Sure, it's still Tracktion and not much has changed superficially...but it's the future development which is the deal sealer, and the fact that the COMMUNITY are being so heavily involved. You have a feature request? Let them know, and it might make it in. Tracktion v1 was famous for this, and the chance to return to these halcyon days is what people are excited about.

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hibidy - Fri Jan 25, 2013 12:08 pm

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I can dig it. Maybe it'll be like reaper was a couple of years ago, OR how tracktion was when it first came out.

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sellyoursoul - Fri Jan 25, 2013 1:54 pm

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Just piddling around and kicking the tires, it seems solid enough so far, but that sssssSSHHHTTTT every few seconds is very annoying when trying to demo a piece of audio software. The devs might consider some other demo schemes.

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hibidy - Fri Jan 25, 2013 3:11 pm

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Ah, that ol' chestnut. I have encountered that on many occasions and it's annoying as hell. Podium has the audio gently drop out and that is desirable given the choice. The worst ones are overloud. You get the dropout AND the noise after one minute

NI's isn't bad. You get 30 minutes but it's functional except save as a preset in a host/presets. Then again, fabfilter is the bomb with 30 days of uncrippled trial or even izotope with 10 days (which reminds me.........)

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DHR53 - Fri Jan 25, 2013 3:21 pm

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I just DLd the new Mac version and it works way better than the old program ever did. He must have been working on this, or as the case may be... HE was working on this rather than whoever was working on it before.

Nice!

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DHR53 - Fri Jan 25, 2013 3:31 pm

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O.K. Tracktion experts... do you have to manually activate the track and set input every time you change tracks to record? Usually selecting the track makes that the active track for recording? Maybe I forgot something...

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sellyoursoul - Fri Jan 25, 2013 4:03 pm

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I'm not exactly sure what you mean to say, but once the input is set for a track, it shouldn't change. Just click the 'R' button to arm a track for recording.

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DHR53 - Fri Jan 25, 2013 4:11 pm

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Hmmm... If I have 5 tracks and one of them is armed (r lit up) and input is set to midi 1 from my keyboard... Then I select track 2, I have to set the input to midi 1 and enable the input. Most DAWs will auto arm the selected track and use a default midi input. I seem to have to set that each time I select a track.

Unless I'm missing something. I am using the demo of T4 also.

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sellyoursoul - Fri Jan 25, 2013 4:16 pm

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I see what you're saying now. That is....kind of kludgey.

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sellyoursoul - Fri Jan 25, 2013 4:27 pm

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It seems that an input can't be used for multiple tracks simultaneously, either.

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