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Mushy Mushy - Thu Jan 24, 2013 8:34 am
http://davesmithinstruments.com/products/prophet12/index.php
stillshaded - Thu Jan 24, 2013 8:42 am
woa.. looks amazing..
But those patches he's playing on it... whhhy??
himalaya - Thu Jan 24, 2013 9:12 am
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But those patches he's playing on it... whhhy??
What are you talking about? There are some very good sounds! The only issue is with too much compression on the final wav/mp3 master, other than that listen to the detail. The complexity and texture of some of the sounds is amazing.
Already mentioned this on GS, but we have entered another golden age of analog hardware.
To oscillation and beyond!!!
RandomWave - Thu Jan 24, 2013 9:35 am
This sounds fantastic with the right specs. I'll take hybrid any day. Digital Osc offer far more variety and quantity of shapes and tones to work with, plus the best part of analog - real VCFs/VCAs. As Himalaya notes, the textures and sound detail is quite prevalent in the video. Bravo Dave!
May be too early to call, but this could be best in show. Curious what Yamaha and Kurz are bringing to the table.
I hope its not yet another year, after year, after year of hearing Kurz say "we're working on it"...
Haraldator - Thu Jan 24, 2013 9:46 am
himalaya wrote:
Already mentioned this on GS, but we have entered another golden age of analog hardware.
That's for sure. Electronic musicians have never had it better, if you ask me.
Ingonator - Thu Jan 24, 2013 10:03 am
Haraldator wrote:
himalaya wrote:
Already mentioned this on GS, but we have entered another golden age of analog hardware.
That's for sure. Electronic musicians have never had it better, if you ask me.
+1
Those choices are indeed amazing and the new Prophet 12 looks interesting.
Ingo
amiga909 - Thu Jan 24, 2013 11:34 am
almost bought a prophet08 every half year since it came out. never did.
now I know why
EvilDragon - Thu Jan 24, 2013 11:38 am
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=bxXXf9U_CVk
trusampler - Thu Jan 24, 2013 11:41 am
sounds great, and looks awesome, i'd love to have it.
SJ_Digriz - Thu Jan 24, 2013 11:49 am
yeah, I just pre-ordered the sub phatty. This looks like something to get right behind it. Talk about two great synths that would complement eachother. Hey, if the government can print money at will, why can't I.
Luftrum - Thu Jan 24, 2013 2:39 pm
I wonder how many patches it can hold...
Looks and sounds nice. I love the abundance of knobs for hands-on controls.
dinaiz - Fri Jan 25, 2013 8:52 am
Want want want !!!
Himalaya and luftrum, I hope you guys are going to design some cool patches for this beast !
Frantz - Fri Jan 25, 2013 9:20 am
himalaya wrote:
Already mentioned this on GS, but we have entered another golden age of analog hardware.
This is indeed a golden age especially compared to the early 90s ROMpler hell when I first started.
The only thing that is preventing my credit cards from flying out of my wallet is MIDI jitter.
Try replacing a part with precise timing played by an ITB softsynth with a hardware synth controlled by MIDI. The timing is all of the place. We should celebrate MIDI's 30 year anniversary by replacing it with some better. V0RT3X - Fri Jan 25, 2013 9:25 am
$3000 dollars seems pretty well priced.
*Alesis* I hope your thinking about bringing back the A6 now..
SJ_Digriz - Fri Jan 25, 2013 11:12 am
FrantzM wrote:
We should celebrate MIDI's 30 year anniversary by replacing it with some better.
You're in luck
http://www.midi.org/aboutus/news/hd.php
EvilDragon - Fri Jan 25, 2013 11:18 am
Or not. HD MIDI has been discussed since 2006. No moves since then. I don't think it's gonna take off just yet.
V0RT3X wrote:
*Alesis* I hope your thinking about bringing back the A6 now..
Not gonna happen. Most of people who worked on A6 were laid off, IIRC.
SJ_Digriz - Fri Jan 25, 2013 11:51 am
EvilDragon wrote:
Or not. HD MIDI has been discussed since 2006. No moves since then. I don't think it's gonna take off just yet.
To quote John Cleese: "It's not dead, it's just restin'"
NAMM News wrote:
At the 2013 NAMM Show, being held Jan 24-27 in Anaheim, California, the MIDI Manufacturers Association plans to meet and review a proposed High Definition MIDI Protocol:
Members of the HD Protocol Working Group will provide a private demonstration of prototype hardware and software using a working draft of the HD Protocol Specification.
Various devices will be connected via wired and wireless Ethernet, to demonstrate the plug-and-play connection and session management capabilities built into the HD Protocol, as well as features such as higher resolution controls, more throughput, and MIDI device compatibility.
The purpose of the demonstration is to encourage more companies to participate in completing the HD Protocol Specification.
Frantz - Fri Jan 25, 2013 12:07 pm
They are demoing prototype devices that use MIDI HD. At the rate they are progressing, we will be able to buy flying cars before we can buy synths with MIDI HD.
Muziksculp - Fri Jan 25, 2013 12:32 pm
12 Voices but... only two part multi-timbral ?
Would have thought at least 4 parts multi-timbral
EvilDragon - Fri Jan 25, 2013 4:00 pm
I think 2 is perfectly fine when you consider it's 4 osc/voice.
Muziksculp - Fri Jan 25, 2013 6:39 pm
EvilDragon wrote:
I think 2 is perfectly fine when you consider it's 4 osc/voice.
Yes, a bit of a compromise is fine, given 4-OSC per voice.
I already have the P-12, and the Little Korg MS-20 on my To-Buy list for 2013
SJ_Digriz - Tue Jan 29, 2013 7:30 am
Muziksculp wrote:
EvilDragon wrote:
I think 2 is perfectly fine when you consider it's 4 osc/voice.
Yes, a bit of a compromise is fine, given 4-OSC per voice.
I already have the P-12, and the Little Korg MS-20 on my To-Buy list for 2013
I've been working on a 5U modular over the last few months. I've pre-ordered the sub phatty. I'm seriously considering this right behind the phatty. In fact I would say 92% certain I'll get the P12 this summer (availability dependent of course)
The fact that I can then get a 20 for next to nothing and a SEM (although a bit pricey) is amazing to me. What a great time for keyboards.
But, I'm surprised at the tepid response to this guy. This is basically the analogue path version of a workstation. 12 voices, 4 OSC per voice + 4 LFOs per voice, 4 delays etc...? That's insane.
EvilDragon - Tue Jan 29, 2013 7:37 am
There's also 4 envelopes per voice and a sub oscillator per voice - so 5 osc/voice. 60 osc unison! O_O
SJ_Digriz - Tue Jan 29, 2013 7:44 am
EvilDragon wrote:
There's also 4 envelopes per voice and a sub oscillator per voice - so 5 osc/voice. 60 osc unison! O_O
exactly, this is a hybrid wet dream. I'm not exactly sure what people want when this is considered a yawn.
SJ_Digriz - Tue Jan 29, 2013 7:46 am
EvilDragon wrote:
so 5 osc/voice. 60 osc unison! O_O
right, one of my first comments on GS was the concrete drilling potential the unison mode would have. If/When I get my hands on one, that will be my first patch
Sequent - Tue Jan 29, 2013 11:39 am
Heck, I'm definitely excited about the P12!!! It's the kind of synth people used to dream about! My reality is that it's a little out of my reach atm. So maybe next year. Hopefully, this will be around for a little while!
SJ_Digriz - Tue Jan 29, 2013 1:14 pm
Sequent wrote:
Heck, I'm definitely excited about the P12!!! It's the kind of synth people used to dream about! My reality is that it's a little out of my reach atm. So maybe next year. Hopefully, this will be around for a little while!
Talking with my Sweetwater rep ... Most likely won't be available until June at the earliest, regardless of the April/May DS was saying ... VERY long wait list ... They will most likely be difficult to get for awhile. Best start bribing your reps now if you actually want one.
Sequent - Tue Jan 29, 2013 1:47 pm
SJ_Digriz wrote:
Sequent wrote:
Heck, I'm definitely excited about the P12!!! It's the kind of synth people used to dream about! My reality is that it's a little out of my reach atm. So maybe next year. Hopefully, this will be around for a little while!
Talking with my Sweetwater rep ... Most likely won't be available until June at the earliest, regardless of the April/May DS was saying ... VERY long wait list ... They will most likely be difficult to get for awhile. Best start bribing your reps now if you actually want one.
Well, I said maybe next year... as in 2014. So, I'm not going to worry about it for now.
Vectorman - Wed Jan 30, 2013 5:55 am
EvilDragon wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=bxXXf9U_CVk
The poster of the vid almost makes it sound like the P12 does PPG-style wavetable scanning. I'm not sure if I'm reading too much into what's being said - maybe it's just the "wave sequencing" type thing the Evolvers do.
So we now have a synth with four digital oscillators, presumably with all the Prophet VS waveforms on board like the Evolvers. Isn't that almost begging for a joystick and a vector envelope for oscillator mix, complete with some classic Prophet VS patch recreations in the presets? Granted, I think Dave has said before that he's not interested in revisiting the past, but it does almost feel like a missed opportunity to roll out something which is not only a new instrument in its own right but could also be a viable (and more powerful) replacement for a classic. Could've called it the Prophet V12, LOL.
EvilDragon - Wed Jan 30, 2013 6:32 am
It doesn't have Prophet VS waveforms inside (as reported by Chris from DSI on Gearslutz).
Wavetables in Prophet 12 only crossfade between 3 waveforms.
SJ_Digriz - Wed Jan 30, 2013 8:26 am
EvilDragon wrote:
It doesn't have Prophet VS waveforms inside (as reported by Chris from DSI on Gearslutz).
Wavetables in Prophet 12 only crossfade between 3 waveforms.
Wavetables in Prophet 12 only crossfade between 3 waveforms.
Yes, and I think he said that there will be 4 sets of configurable tables (3 forms each). But I couldn't tell if it is per voice or per osc. The merged threads on GS made following the discussion hard.
SJ_Digriz - Wed Jan 30, 2013 8:28 am
He also said they hadn't decided if the wave sets were going to be fixed/predetermined, or if they were going to allow you to choose the waveform combos yourself.
fateamenabletochange - Thu Feb 07, 2013 12:51 pm
This looks to be awesome.
eXode - Wed Apr 17, 2013 11:35 pm
There is a sort of a Prophet 12 sampler/demo up on soundcloud by Rozzer.
http://soundcloud.com/rozzer/dave-smith-instruments-prophet
Personally I find some of the tones produced to be excellent quite frankly. Sounds like it could be an out of this world sound designers keyboard really.
ghettosynth - Thu Apr 18, 2013 12:50 am
SJ_Digriz wrote:
But, I'm surprised at the tepid response to this guy. This is basically the analogue path version of a workstation. 12 voices, 4 OSC per voice + 4 LFOs per voice, 4 delays etc...? That's insane.
I'm not. Ok, so first, I'll say that I think that it's the best Dave has brought to the table out of his new line so far. I really agree that leveraging the power of digital is really the way to make a new analog poly stand out. At the end of the day though, it's still a CEM chip powered synth. I would be much more excited about the A6 because the technology is so different. For people that have been around for a while, CEM filters are just not that exciting.
So, good job Dave, and now how about pulling some strings and getting the SSM2040 chip updated and back into production, then I might buy your synths.
eXode - Thu Apr 18, 2013 11:01 am
ghettosynth wrote:
So, good job Dave, and now how about pulling some strings and getting the SSM2040 chip updated and back into production, then I might buy your synths.
The SSM2040 is a wonderful filter but I doubt that Dave or anyone else can pull any strings to get them in production again, sadly.
Vectorman - Thu Apr 18, 2013 12:40 pm
The thing that has me scratching my head is that they would bother to implement wavetable scanning and then make it even more limited than a PPG Wave from 30 years ago. I mean, why not offer a broad palette of wavetables? It was being said on GS that they deliberately chose not to make this an update of past tech like the PPG and wanted to do something different. I don't see how making the selection of raw wavetable material even more sparse than a three-decade-old design is in any way forward-thinking, it just seems like an arbitrary and unnecessary limitation. If you can go into a menu page and select from a list of 12 tables, you could just as readily be choosing from a list of 100. No extra knobs or further complication to the user interface required.
eXode - Thu Apr 18, 2013 10:41 pm
There's also a mini review of it here (also by Rozzer):
http://www.rozzer.net/2013/04/16/dave-smith-prophet-12-mini-review/
ghettosynth - Wed Apr 24, 2013 3:24 pm
eXode wrote:
ghettosynth wrote:
So, good job Dave, and now how about pulling some strings and getting the SSM2040 chip updated and back into production, then I might buy your synths.
The SSM2040 is a wonderful filter but I doubt that Dave or anyone else can pull any strings to get them in production again, sadly.
I agree that bringing it back into production would be a challenge, but designing modern day analog circuits that sound better than the CEM, not so much. I would look to Korg for this leadership, however, and not to Dave Smith. More to the point though, and I don't mean this to sound like criticism of Dave or his company, but, designing something like the 2040 is really not, at least historically, been one of Dave's strengths. The Prophet 5 was a major breakthrough, but not because Dave designed great analog synth circuits, but because he's a good embedded systems designer and a decent product designer. The analog design for all of his synths has basically came from SSM and CEM.
I think that Dave is succeeding now as a businessman because he is able to reuse the expensive part of the analog design over and over again. That's great, it means that you can buy a modern reliable polysynth, and it sucks, because they really aren't that interesting to me soundwise.
I'm hoping that he's wildly successful so that Korg and Roland try to get back into the game.
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