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Muzik 4 Machines - Thu Jan 24, 2013 6:29 pm
what are you looking at?
mandolarian - Thu Jan 24, 2013 6:42 pm
I can't stop staring at this:
Note the date. It's the best NAMM reveal ever!
dayjob - Thu Jan 24, 2013 6:45 pm
so far i've yet to see any kind of software announcement actually at NAMM. just hardware. i have no problem w/this
btw - fdiskc has some nice pics up.. i'm sure he'll add more as NAMM moves on...
http://www.fdiskc.com/syn/namm/2013/index.html
paradiddle - Thu Jan 24, 2013 7:43 pm
dave smith prophet 12! But I'm also staring at the price.
ms-20 mini also!
Muzik 4 Machines - Thu Jan 24, 2013 9:35 pm
ms20 mini might end up here, i always wanted one, and around 800$ is really appropriate IMOHO
dayjob - Thu Jan 24, 2013 10:09 pm
Muzik 4 Machines wrote:
ms20 mini might end up here, i always wanted one, and around 800$ is really appropriate IMOHO
apparently is gonna be $599.
they'll sell a truck load at that price.
hibidy - Thu Jan 24, 2013 10:32 pm
Another namm thread?
dayjob - Thu Jan 24, 2013 10:35 pm
hibidy wrote:
Another namm thread?
and it's only the 1st day.
i'm gonna start a NAMM 2014 thread for ya..
"new from moog at NAMM 2014 - The moog phat phatty phat phat."
hibidy - Thu Jan 24, 2013 10:49 pm
dayjob wrote:
hibidy wrote:
Another namm thread?
and it's only the 1st day.
i'm gonna start a NAMM 2014 thread for ya..
"new from moog at NAMM 2014 - The moog phat phatty phat phat."
Or, tracktion 5? Or wait, BITWIG 2.0!
Muzik 4 Machines - Thu Jan 24, 2013 11:39 pm
hibidy wrote:
Another namm thread?
i didnt see one in the 1st page of latest topics so i made one, i thought it was THE one lol, sorry
and 599? f**k push, im getting that as soon as it's out
edit, wow just checked korg site, revamped kp3 and kaossilator pro!
the king korg looks fine too, but again with the cheezy tubes lol
Crackbaby - Thu Jan 24, 2013 11:41 pm
This one has a clearer title..
lets keep this 
Crackbaby - Thu Jan 24, 2013 11:42 pm
The fender custom shops looks lovely .. i love the "channeled" necks!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KbDSpFWojF8
danbroad - Thu Jan 24, 2013 11:48 pm
Ms20 mini. Amazing, not just because of what it is, but of what it means. A fully analogue synth from one of the so-called big 3.... Moog are on form too.
Muzik 4 Machines - Fri Jan 25, 2013 12:05 am
wow!
the namm blurb wrote:
Unlike previous models, the StudioLive 32.4.2AI sports an Ethernet port that allows you to connect to an existing router-based network with an Ethernet cable or completely wirelessly. You also get a USB 2.0 port to host the included USB Wi-Fi LAN adapter for situations where a less powerful, ad hoc Wi-Fi network is sufficient. Using either wireless connection, the mixer can be directly controlled from a laptop or iPad®, and the aux mixes can be controlled from an iPhone® or iPod touch®; a FireWire connection to a computer is not required.
hibidy - Fri Jan 25, 2013 12:16 am
haha! No I don't have a problem with it, the more merrier!
kylie - Fri Jan 25, 2013 1:32 am
hibidy wrote:
Or, tracktion 5? Or wait, BITWIG 2.0!
BITWhat?
Muzik 4 Machines wrote:
wow!
the namm blurb wrote:
Using either wireless connection, the mixer can be directly controlled from a laptop or iPad®, and the aux mixes can be controlled from an iPhone® or iPod touch®;
now, if only it had motorized faders...
Crackbaby - Fri Jan 25, 2013 3:54 am
Hmmz.. Anyone seen anything from bitwig? I only saw a video where it was controlled by that ... used for reason and now cubase. Cant remember the name!
The Telenator - Fri Jan 25, 2013 4:45 am
How many more ridiculously overpriced hardware synths do we need? How many more $400 controllers with coloured rubber pads all over them do we need?
Aside from some very pretty guitars from a few manufacturers, this NAMM is chuck full of rubbish. Most of this repetitive, boring nonsense needs to go straight to the trash bin. Sitting around, playing with these toys, playing and using other people's sound clip and loops because you're too lazy to produce your own, pressing little pink and green rubber pads all day is basically just masturbation. It's getting so far removed from making actual original music and composing real songs that we really ought to chuck all of this and start all over again.
It's like using one of those power chairs to get around when you're not even remotely handicapped. What a useless generation of 'musicians' all this stupid technology has produced with it. Learn to play a real instrument, instead of fiddling about with toys all day long. What a disgrace the state of pop music is these days.
vurt - Fri Jan 25, 2013 4:48 am
The Telenator wrote:
How many more ridiculously overpriced hardware synths do we need? How many more $400 controllers with coloured rubber pads all over them do we need?
Aside from some very pretty guitars from a few manufacturers, this NAMM is chuck full of rubbish. Most of this repetitive, boring nonsense needs to go straight to the trash bin. Sitting around, playing with these toys, playing and using other people's sound clip and loops because you're too lazy to produce your own, pressing little pink and green rubber pads all day is basically just masturbation. It's getting so far removed from making actual original music and composing real songs that we really ought to chuck all of this and start all over again.
It's like using one of those power chairs to get around when you're not even remotely handicapped. What a useless generation of 'musicians' all this stupid technology has produced with it. Learn to play a real instrument, instead of fiddling about with toys all day long. What a disgrace the state of pop music is these days.
Aside from some very pretty guitars from a few manufacturers, this NAMM is chuck full of rubbish. Most of this repetitive, boring nonsense needs to go straight to the trash bin. Sitting around, playing with these toys, playing and using other people's sound clip and loops because you're too lazy to produce your own, pressing little pink and green rubber pads all day is basically just masturbation. It's getting so far removed from making actual original music and composing real songs that we really ought to chuck all of this and start all over again.
It's like using one of those power chairs to get around when you're not even remotely handicapped. What a useless generation of 'musicians' all this stupid technology has produced with it. Learn to play a real instrument, instead of fiddling about with toys all day long. What a disgrace the state of pop music is these days.
yay!
mellotronaut - Fri Jan 25, 2013 7:06 am
The Telenator wrote:
How many more ridiculously overpriced hardware synths do we need? How many more $400 controllers with coloured rubber pads all over them do we need?
Aside from some very pretty guitars from a few manufacturers, this NAMM is chuck full of rubbish. Most of this repetitive, boring nonsense needs to go straight to the trash bin. Sitting around, playing with these toys, playing and using other people's sound clip and loops because you're too lazy to produce your own, pressing little pink and green rubber pads all day is basically just masturbation. It's getting so far removed from making actual original music and composing real songs that we really ought to chuck all of this and start all over again.
It's like using one of those power chairs to get around when you're not even remotely handicapped. What a useless generation of 'musicians' all this stupid technology has produced with it. Learn to play a real instrument, instead of fiddling about with toys all day long. What a disgrace the state of pop music is these days.
Aside from some very pretty guitars from a few manufacturers, this NAMM is chuck full of rubbish. Most of this repetitive, boring nonsense needs to go straight to the trash bin. Sitting around, playing with these toys, playing and using other people's sound clip and loops because you're too lazy to produce your own, pressing little pink and green rubber pads all day is basically just masturbation. It's getting so far removed from making actual original music and composing real songs that we really ought to chuck all of this and start all over again.
It's like using one of those power chairs to get around when you're not even remotely handicapped. What a useless generation of 'musicians' all this stupid technology has produced with it. Learn to play a real instrument, instead of fiddling about with toys all day long. What a disgrace the state of pop music is these days.
wow! highly explosive
trimph1 - Fri Jan 25, 2013 7:11 am
The Telenator wrote:
How many more ridiculously overpriced hardware synths do we need? How many more $400 controllers with coloured rubber pads all over them do we need?
Aside from some very pretty guitars from a few manufacturers, this NAMM is chuck full of rubbish. Most of this repetitive, boring nonsense needs to go straight to the trash bin. Sitting around, playing with these toys, playing and using other people's sound clip and loops because you're too lazy to produce your own, pressing little pink and green rubber pads all day is basically just masturbation. It's getting so far removed from making actual original music and composing real songs that we really ought to chuck all of this and start all over again.
It's like using one of those power chairs to get around when you're not even remotely handicapped. What a useless generation of 'musicians' all this stupid technology has produced with it. Learn to play a real instrument, instead of fiddling about with toys all day long. What a disgrace the state of pop music is these days.
Aside from some very pretty guitars from a few manufacturers, this NAMM is chuck full of rubbish. Most of this repetitive, boring nonsense needs to go straight to the trash bin. Sitting around, playing with these toys, playing and using other people's sound clip and loops because you're too lazy to produce your own, pressing little pink and green rubber pads all day is basically just masturbation. It's getting so far removed from making actual original music and composing real songs that we really ought to chuck all of this and start all over again.
It's like using one of those power chairs to get around when you're not even remotely handicapped. What a useless generation of 'musicians' all this stupid technology has produced with it. Learn to play a real instrument, instead of fiddling about with toys all day long. What a disgrace the state of pop music is these days.
Oh my. Rant on, brother, Rant on!!!
fmr - Fri Jan 25, 2013 7:35 am
The Telenator wrote:
How many more ridiculously overpriced hardware synths do we need? How many more $400 controllers with coloured rubber pads all over them do we need?
Aside from some very pretty guitars from a few manufacturers, this NAMM is chuck full of rubbish. Most of this repetitive, boring nonsense needs to go straight to the trash bin. Sitting around, playing with these toys, playing and using other people's sound clip and loops because you're too lazy to produce your own, pressing little pink and green rubber pads all day is basically just masturbation. It's getting so far removed from making actual original music and composing real songs that we really ought to chuck all of this and start all over again.
It's like using one of those power chairs to get around when you're not even remotely handicapped. What a useless generation of 'musicians' all this stupid technology has produced with it. Learn to play a real instrument, instead of fiddling about with toys all day long. What a disgrace the state of pop music is these days.
Aside from some very pretty guitars from a few manufacturers, this NAMM is chuck full of rubbish. Most of this repetitive, boring nonsense needs to go straight to the trash bin. Sitting around, playing with these toys, playing and using other people's sound clip and loops because you're too lazy to produce your own, pressing little pink and green rubber pads all day is basically just masturbation. It's getting so far removed from making actual original music and composing real songs that we really ought to chuck all of this and start all over again.
It's like using one of those power chairs to get around when you're not even remotely handicapped. What a useless generation of 'musicians' all this stupid technology has produced with it. Learn to play a real instrument, instead of fiddling about with toys all day long. What a disgrace the state of pop music is these days.
Well... I have to disagree. Because:
1. Synthesizers, computers, or the main software applications cannot be classified, even if remotely, as "toys" (although there ARE many toys around). They are REAL instruments, although some people may not recognize them as that;
2. Knowing music and how to play is useful and necessary (synths USE music technique), and a MUST, no matter how much technoloy you use. Thinking otherwise is just a symptom of ignorance. Technology may help you when you KNOW what you are doing and what you want to do. If you don't, you will end producing rubbish, no matter what you use to do it.
vurt - Fri Jan 25, 2013 7:40 am
and anyway, whats so bad about masturbation? many people enjoy a good wank.
Crackbaby - Fri Jan 25, 2013 8:22 am
vurt wrote:
and anyway, whats so bad about masturbation? many people enjoy a good wank.
I just got home .. lots of new youtube namm videos!!
How about this?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bHCXeoAHMEc
or this?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bJBFzs3Np_k
vurt - Fri Jan 25, 2013 8:31 am
id rather have heard the aphex usb thing in action, than him telling me how i can plug it in...
egbert - Fri Jan 25, 2013 8:45 am
vurt wrote:
and anyway, whats so bad about masturbation? many people enjoy a good wank.
I felt sure someone would go with Woody Allen's "Don't knock masturbation - it's sex with someone I love."
vurt - Fri Jan 25, 2013 8:52 am
you did!
dreamkeeper - Fri Jan 25, 2013 8:56 am
vurt wrote:
and anyway, whats so bad about masturbation? many people enjoy a good wank.
Sure... but with green pads!? Doesn't sound healthy...
b4serenity - Fri Jan 25, 2013 10:14 am
I heard Sound Magic and...and...now I can't remember the other one that will be there!! I'll post if I remember it. Maybe someone should check it out.
Vertti - Fri Jan 25, 2013 10:24 am
Anything new from Spectrasonics?
quayquay17 - Fri Jan 25, 2013 10:27 am
The Telenator wrote:
Sitting around, playing with these toys, playing and using other people's sound clip and loops because you're too lazy to produce your own
Aside from tradeshow demos, do you really think people don't make their own loops in ableton?
The Telenator wrote:
It's getting so far removed from making actual original music and composing real songs that we really ought to chuck all of this and start all over again.
With clips and loops you can compose classical, orchestral, rock, blues.. you name it. Most people use "real instruments" like synths, keyboards, guitars, etc. to create clips.
Quote:
What a disgrace the state of pop music is these days.
How much pop music is produced in ableton?
You sound a little out of touch 'pop'.
V0RT3X - Fri Jan 25, 2013 11:07 am
The Telenator wrote:
How many more ridiculously overpriced hardware synths do we need? How many more $400 controllers with coloured rubber pads all over them do we need?
Much more! We want more! More I say!
The Telenator wrote:
It's getting so far removed from making actual original music and composing real songs that we really ought to chuck all of this and start all over again.
It's like using one of those power chairs to get around when you're not even remotely handicapped. What a useless generation of 'musicians' all this stupid technology has produced with it. Learn to play a real instrument, instead of fiddling about with toys all day long. What a disgrace the state of pop music is these days.
It's like using one of those power chairs to get around when you're not even remotely handicapped. What a useless generation of 'musicians' all this stupid technology has produced with it. Learn to play a real instrument, instead of fiddling about with toys all day long. What a disgrace the state of pop music is these days.
A keyboard on a synth is still a keyboard
Also you can't just use these "toys" to make your music for you. You still have to learn how to use them together.
Crackbaby - Fri Jan 25, 2013 11:18 am
why the bitwig silence
hibidy - Fri Jan 25, 2013 11:51 am
Vertti wrote:
Anything new from Spectrasonics?
That's what I was hoping for most.
Crackbaby - Fri Jan 25, 2013 7:50 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wbzbEpoKUDI i want system 3!!!
standalone - Sat Jan 26, 2013 1:31 am
Crackbaby wrote:
why the bitwig silence
http://www.sonicstate.com/news/2013/01/25/wnamm13-the-state-of-bitwig-video/
standalone - Sat Jan 26, 2013 1:39 am
Well, I have just noticed that the video is already all around.
VariKusBrainZ - Sat Jan 26, 2013 2:37 am
danbroad wrote:
Ms20 mini. Amazing, not just because of what it is, but of what it means. A fully analogue synth from one of the so-called big 3.... Moog are on form too.
I thought there would be big rave about the USB connectivity
Muzik 4 Machines - Sat Jan 26, 2013 10:19 am
why, it's ONLY for note ons (no cc, no pitch bend, no nothing)
i dont see why anyone would rave about it, its just a midi in
OzWozEre - Sat Jan 26, 2013 11:36 am
The Telenator wrote:
...Sitting around, playing with these toys, playing and using other people's sound clip and loops because you're too lazy to produce your own, pressing little pink and green rubber pads all day is basically just masturbation. It's getting so far removed from making actual original music and composing real songs that we really ought to chuck all of this and start all over again. ....
You sure you went to the right trade show?
Sounds like you made a wrong turn and ended up at Toy-R-Us.
dayjob - Sat Jan 26, 2013 12:22 pm
Muzik 4 Machines wrote:
why, it's ONLY for note ons (no cc, no pitch bend, no nothing)
i dont see why anyone would rave about it, its just a midi in
i dont see why anyone would rave about it, its just a midi in
yeah.. you'd get more control w/a kenton prosolo or pro2000 since you can route CCs to the aux CV outs on the kentons.
but having simple midi connection for triggering notes is a nice thing to have... simple as it is.
Daimonicon - Sat Jan 26, 2013 12:30 pm
vurt wrote:
and anyway, whats so bad about masturbation? many people enjoy a good wank.
And it's better than bad sex.
aMUSEd - Sat Jan 26, 2013 12:32 pm
So is it over already?
Muzik 4 Machines - Sat Jan 26, 2013 12:34 pm
dayjob wrote:
Muzik 4 Machines wrote:
why, it's ONLY for note ons (no cc, no pitch bend, no nothing)
i dont see why anyone would rave about it, its just a midi in
i dont see why anyone would rave about it, its just a midi in
yeah.. you'd get more control w/a kenton prosolo or pro2000 since you can route CCs to the aux CV outs on the kentons.
but having simple midi connection for triggering notes is a nice thing to have... simple as it is.
i didnt say it was not nice, i just said its normal nobody raves about a usb port on a synth in 2013, especially when its just a glorified midi in
dayjob - Sat Jan 26, 2013 12:46 pm
Muzik 4 Machines wrote:
dayjob wrote:
Muzik 4 Machines wrote:
why, it's ONLY for note ons (no cc, no pitch bend, no nothing)
i dont see why anyone would rave about it, its just a midi in
i dont see why anyone would rave about it, its just a midi in
yeah.. you'd get more control w/a kenton prosolo or pro2000 since you can route CCs to the aux CV outs on the kentons.
but having simple midi connection for triggering notes is a nice thing to have... simple as it is.
i didnt say it was not nice, i just said its normal nobody raves about a usb port on a synth in 2013, especially when its just a glorified midi in
true. i was just saying that it is a nice thing to have a midi in on an analogue synth. that's all. wasn't saying you said it was or wasn't nice.
and i was more or less agreeing w/you that it's not a big deal since it only sends note pitch and triggers the envelope
V0RT3X - Sat Jan 26, 2013 12:46 pm
How about the Iloud anyone?
http://www.ikmultimedia.com/products/iloud/
I wonder how it compares sound wise to stuff from http://www.soundmatters.com/
abstractcats - Sat Jan 26, 2013 11:13 pm
"@ NAMM 2013 ... no one needs another monosynth. NO ONE."
-Mistabishi via his FB page.
peppy197 - Sun Jan 27, 2013 8:07 am
fmr wrote:
....
2. Knowing music and how to play is useful
I agree with that
hibidy - Sun Jan 27, 2013 2:10 pm
Well, another namm has come and gone w/o any significant thing I was interested in. My biggest hope was for spectrasonics to have something (oh, like RMX2)
For all the harware guys that got a thrill, I'm happy for you. Some guitars look nice but they are all WAY out of my price range (and good luck getting one from those companies anyways)
Ibanez stunk the joint up. Not one single offering of any significance. They've just gone to shit in the US (the used offerings are far better)
Oh well
Crackbaby - Sun Jan 27, 2013 6:29 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A_9QPDvBK2Q this was the highlight this year
I wish behringer's cmd series was demoed a little more .. for instance, see them in action with ableton and traktor along with other programs. They were next to bitwig guys so i wouldn't have mind (no really) see them in action together!
There were too many videos of items that was not shown in action! Like .. amps! Talk about an amp for five minutes and no demo.. The bigger guys could have brought an isocab so sound wouldn't be an issue.
Crackbaby - Sun Jan 27, 2013 6:48 pm
While hardware, it's also software: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wDirVao0rRI
Tough competition with Push and Maschine. But it seems purely aimed at beatmakers where Push and Maschine aim for the entire production chain and more genres. No sampling from what i could tell.
What it does have is a analog and physical modeling engine. Personally i prefer that to "dead" samples
lotus2035 - Sun Jan 27, 2013 7:02 pm
dreamkeeper wrote:
vurt wrote:
and anyway, whats so bad about masturbation? many people enjoy a good wank.
Sure... but with green pads!? Doesn't sound healthy...
what about oven gloves?
lotus2035 - Sun Jan 27, 2013 7:04 pm
The Telenator wrote:
What a disgrace the state of pop music is these days.
Never heard of Spandau Ballet eh?
Volterock - Sat Feb 02, 2013 9:58 pm
I was able to go again this year and I'm almost finished uploading everything. I focus primarily on electronic music but some things I had to mention like the Wheelharp which sounds amazing! All I have left to post is the App & Gaming Pavilion and Analogue Haven:
http://blog.volterock.com
VitaminD - Sat Feb 02, 2013 10:09 pm
lotus2035 wrote:
The Telenator wrote:
What a disgrace the state of pop music is these days.
Never heard of Spandau Ballet eh?
PM Dawn fixed that many years ago.
fedexnman - Sat Feb 02, 2013 10:32 pm
VitaminD wrote:
lotus2035 wrote:
The Telenator wrote:
What a disgrace the state of pop music is these days.
Never heard of Spandau Ballet eh?
PM Dawn fixed that many years ago.
" True "
ew - Mon Feb 04, 2013 3:58 pm
The Telenator wrote:
How many more ridiculously overpriced hardware synths do we need? How many more $400 controllers with coloured rubber pads all over them do we need?
Aside from some very pretty guitars from a few manufacturers, this NAMM is chuck full of rubbish. Most of this repetitive, boring nonsense needs to go straight to the trash bin. Sitting around, playing with these toys, playing and using other people's sound clip and loops because you're too lazy to produce your own, pressing little pink and green rubber pads all day is basically just masturbation. It's getting so far removed from making actual original music and composing real songs that we really ought to chuck all of this and start all over again.
It's like using one of those power chairs to get around when you're not even remotely handicapped. What a useless generation of 'musicians' all this stupid technology has produced with it. Learn to play a real instrument, instead of fiddling about with toys all day long. What a disgrace the state of pop music is these days.
Aside from some very pretty guitars from a few manufacturers, this NAMM is chuck full of rubbish. Most of this repetitive, boring nonsense needs to go straight to the trash bin. Sitting around, playing with these toys, playing and using other people's sound clip and loops because you're too lazy to produce your own, pressing little pink and green rubber pads all day is basically just masturbation. It's getting so far removed from making actual original music and composing real songs that we really ought to chuck all of this and start all over again.
It's like using one of those power chairs to get around when you're not even remotely handicapped. What a useless generation of 'musicians' all this stupid technology has produced with it. Learn to play a real instrument, instead of fiddling about with toys all day long. What a disgrace the state of pop music is these days.
As much as I hate to agree with you, I do.
NAMM had less happening this year than any other year I've been there. The SubPhatty's what the Little Phatty should have been. The MS-20's cute, but it's made out of the cheapest plastic I've ever seen. Heaven help anybody gigging with one. The Prophet 12's nice, but doesn't really bring anything new to the table- and there's those digital oscillators. I think Dave Smith would have much wiser to bring out an eight voice Poly Evolver rack, but that's just me. The Steiner shows promise, but $25k worth? Really?
As you said, there were some very cool guitars, especially from the small shops. The modular front had some cool stuff as well; Tony Rolando's prototype MakeNoise modules will end up finding a home in my modular once they're released. And, the new Mellotrons at Big City Music were a blast to play with. Besides that, not so much.
But, as always, it's the people who are the real reason to go. I finally met justin3am, buscemi, and various others I'd known on line for years but hadn't met in person. In that regard, the show was a success.
ew
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