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mhemnarch · Post by **mhemnarch** » Sun Jul 20, 2008 1:32 am

I really don't find Sylenth that impressive. I mean, it's nice, but hardly the best. ImpOSCar and the Native Instruments synths, for example, sound much better, to my ears at least.

MacQ · Post by **MacQ** » Sun Jul 20, 2008 1:49 am

Paul Stewart wrote:Perhaps my question should be 'does any VST sound better than Sylenth?'..

In terms of that "hardware" quality, the best I've found are:

- Sylenth1
- Korg Legacy Cell (and Mono/Poly), both in the Korg Legacy Analog Edition
- Surge

And of course my Virus Powercore, but that ain't a "native" synth.

~Stu

Architeuthis · Post by **Architeuthis** » Sun Jul 20, 2008 2:05 am

All I know is that Helix has a better supersaw sound than Sylenth1.

thespecialist · Post by **thespecialist** » Sun Jul 20, 2008 2:10 am

MacQ wrote:
Paul Stewart wrote:Perhaps my question should be 'does any VST sound better than Sylenth?'..
In terms of that "hardware" quality, the best I've found are:

- Sylenth1
- Korg Legacy Cell (and Mono/Poly), both in the Korg Legacy Analog Edition
- Surge

And of course my Virus Powercore, but that ain't a "native" synth.

~Stu

I've pm-ed Lennard with this thread, I'm sure that this comment coming from somebody like you must make him proud

djanthonyw · Post by **djanthonyw** » Sun Jul 20, 2008 2:10 am

Architeuthis wrote:All I know is that Helix has a better supersaw sound than Sylenth1.

I'm sure you must know something besides this.

djanthonyw · Post by **djanthonyw** » Sun Jul 20, 2008 2:16 am

MacQ wrote:
Paul Stewart wrote:Perhaps my question should be 'does any VST sound better than Sylenth?'..
In terms of that "hardware" quality, the best I've found are:

- Sylenth1
- Korg Legacy Cell (and Mono/Poly), both in the Korg Legacy Analog Edition
- Surge

And of course my Virus Powercore, but that ain't a "native" synth.

~Stu

Honestly I think it sounds better than the Virus, definitely one of the best sounding synths if not...the best IMO. I use to have the Virus Classic / B and the Virus Powercore. The Virus PoCo is buggy as hell, which is why I ended up getting the hardware. I don't think they'll ever sort the bugs out either.

vidalsh · Post by **vidalsh** » Sun Jul 20, 2008 2:27 am

for me, the best actually vst synth sound is nexus...

on the down floor albino and chameleon 5000 are so good too...

DrApostropheX · Post by **DrApostropheX** » Sun Jul 20, 2008 2:56 am

Minimonstaaaaaaaa.... no reverb, no effects!

Architeuthis · Post by **Architeuthis** » Sun Jul 20, 2008 4:12 am

djanthonyw wrote:
Architeuthis wrote:All I know is that Helix has a better supersaw sound than Sylenth1.
I'm sure you must know something besides this.

???

fgimian · Post by **fgimian** » Sun Jul 20, 2008 4:25 am

Paul Stewart wrote:I bought Sylenth a few months ago now and it is still my go-to synth, without question.

The problem is, that every other synth that i buy i'm slightly disappointed with because it doesn't match up to Sylenth. Having said that, i got Predator a couple of days ago and it's sounding very good indeed so far but others just feel weak and uninspiring.......

Perhaps my question should be 'does any VST sound better than Sylenth?'..

If you have any thoughts on this I would be grateful

Paul,
Prevalence

Only synth that I've heard which matches Sylenth's sound is Thor in Reason 4 and it is way WAY more powerful too. But it has no stereo unison, so I usually use a combinator and duplicate the device (one for left and one for right), then detune one a little. I actually also find Thor fits better into a mix.

NI Massive might be the closest in VST land but it still sounds different, esp the filters.

Cheers
Fots

MaxSynths · Post by **MaxSynths** » Sun Jul 20, 2008 4:33 am

So explain it like if you were talking to a child... We have a solo line to put into the mix, for example. Why if this solo part is played with Sylenth is so special? What makes Sylenth so special?

ProductBE · Post by **ProductBE** » Sun Jul 20, 2008 5:09 am

MaxSynths wrote:So explain it like if you were talking to a child... We have a solo line to put into the mix, for example. Why if this solo part is played with Sylenth is so special? What makes Sylenth so special?

Because it is really two powerful synths in one, A&B, and each one of those A&B channels have layered, arps, and effects, that can be tuned/detuned, or synced in or out. Then you have the controls, so say Aftertouch can change the phase&LFO of synth A, while also changing the Freq&OSC of synth B, or whatever you like. I did some subtle stuff with ARP's A&B moving around each other, little bit of Velocity and it is intense, some After Touch it goes warped, lots of After touch it goes mental.

You can fake this stuff and do better, not hard to do, and once setup is easy to do again and again. Get a simple good free synth like miniMogue, one on track A, one on track B, add whatever pre midi effects you need, Arp's chords, etc. Then whatever post effects. I just learnt: You can even use midiconvert to map the aftertouch from the synth, if it doesn't have aftertouch settings, and send this singal to the post effects on the VSTi.

This to the best of my knowledge is what makes the sylenth good, no magic, just two powerful synth's in one, but the combining of them and effects is expontentially good. Lots will disagree, but sound is simple, waves, frequency, tone. It is like when someone takes a sound of a click and with a bunch of delays and effects it sounds like a elecrtic guitar, and only the best trained ear would know.

I had a friend working on Slayer that was tweaked to prefecton on a sensitive keyboard, he recorded a tune with it. And out of a bunch of talented muso's, pitch perfect and the like nobody spotted the fake guitar, saying it was brilliant, asking the name of the guy to do a session. I see it on the post's here, someone comments about level of the guitar on a mixdown, and the reply is that it isn't a guitar but a VSTi, and you see people getting wrapped up about this synth, this tone, the quaility of this. Too much talking about and not enough doing, do they think they will wake up one day and the perfect synth will be there ready to use, even if that happens their will always be something else, these people will always have an excuse.

Ask yourself what do you want to do? R&D the methods and workflow, conclude and aquire technology tools, create, enjoy and don't look back. Otherwise it will never happen.

I came to this site years ago, became member recently and is very helpful for somethings, but hard to avoid the idiots constantly talking the same rubbish about the same plugs, for years. I think about developing plugs but don't, why not, because I think of a great tool, google it and guess what, it already exists and is free. Just saved myself 3-6 months work.

Just get on with the creative stuff and less, dick swinging please.

MaxSynths · Post by **MaxSynths** » Sun Jul 20, 2008 5:20 am

If it's only something related with arps, routings, etc... I must agree with you ProductBE

(just in those days I'm playing with minimogue LUXUS and I'm having a lot of fun).

ProductBE · Post by **ProductBE** » Sun Jul 20, 2008 5:33 am

MaxSynths wrote:If it's only something related with arps, routings, etc... I must agree with you ProductBE (just in those days I'm playing with minimogue LUXUS and I'm having a lot of fun).

miniMogue is a cool synth, just imagine it layered in synch.

Architeuthis · Post by **Architeuthis** » Sun Jul 20, 2008 6:35 am

So people are agreeing that Sylenth1 is better than a Virus?

Does any other VST sound as good as Sylenth?