On why Z3ta+ will never sound like a Virus (applies to DUNE also), and my growing wishlist.

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Being bored and on a whim I decided to try and recreate a pad from the Virus Powercore in Z3ta+. I had the wavetable sound and it loaded fine, it looked good, but when i came to the fx.....
The preset had both phaser and chorus. I'm sure both with their respective settings created a lot of the sounds, but Z3ta would only let me choose one. Either a chorus or a phaser. Then I remembered this is also what bugs me about DUNE.
My thoughts then are, if you could smash these two synth together, you'd have just about the perfect VST.
Here's why:
I LOVE being able to send the arp to different oscillators in DUNE. I love the choices: even/odd, etc. Z3ta NEEDS this.
I love the way the arp is done in Z3ta. I prefer step sequencer arps. I like DUNE's arps, but don't like scrolling up and down through notes.
I love the way the filter choice is done in Z3ta. I think the way it's done in DUNE is very confusing.
I like Filter 1 choice and Filter 2 choice. And I like seperate Q and Res for each and Link.
And for both, please seperate the Chorus and Flanger/Phaser fx. Some of the craziest sounds I've made have been playing off the parameters of both.
Thanks for the listen.

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Honestly, they sound close enough. Who can even tell the difference unless they're the ones using them or they tell someone which is which?

http://www.vengeance-storage.com/AudioD ... zetav1.mp3
http://www.vengeance-storage.com/AudioD ... ss-iv4.mp3

If z3ta was on Mac I would take that anytime over a Virus, but it's not, so I guess I'll go for Rapture.

The new synth ANA from Sonic Academy is coming out tomorrow, lets see how that holds up.
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Almost forgot. Different kinds of filters. I'd love the creamy dreamy Rapture filters as a choice on Z3ta along with the new brittle ones.

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IMO it sounds close enough so I use it often instead of my Virus. Sounds closer than Dune (Dune sounds more polished and misses a bit the rough character).

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it#s very strange that the reference is always the virus. Why not reverse it state why the Virus will never sound like a Z3ta:
- less oscilators (just 2 vs 6)
- less oscillator modes
- less filter types

the list goes on. Regarding the specs you would expect a z3ta+ to be able to - more or less- reproduce the sounds of a Virus, but not vice versa.

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It's not strange if you've ever played with one. I also believe the Virus has 3 oscillators plus a sub.
More oscillators doesn't equal better sound.
Filters are a BIG part of this. That's why I said it would be nice to incorporate Rapture's filters into it. For whatever reason Z3ta 1.5 can sound creamy smooth to so rough it hurts.
Z3ta 2.1 has lost that.

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Z3ta will never sound like Virus because Z3ta is Z3ta - and not a Virus. Just simple :hihi:

If you want real Virus sound inside your daw there are only 2 real options:
Virus TI
Virus Powercore

All others, like Z3ta or DUNE are independent synths and no clones.

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AKJ wrote:it#s very strange that the reference is always the virus. Why not reverse it state why the Virus will never sound like a Z3ta:
- less oscilators (just 2 vs 6)
- less oscillator modes
- less filter types

the list goes on. Regarding the specs you would expect a z3ta+ to be able to - more or less- reproduce the sounds of a Virus, but not vice versa.
True but the Virus has wavetable, grain, formant, classic, sub, and hypersaw oscillators (for the first two and a third to slave)- not to mention Unison mode so it is incredibly flexible. More so than many seem to give it credit for....

both synths sound great and I do own both. If you do not have a Virus it is close enough but if you do have a Virus use it. I do anyway more than Z3ta because I like the flexibility, sound, filters, and power of the Virus more... 8)

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I think a lot of us would love to be able to grab the best elements of our favourite synths and create the one uber-synth :D

If I knew how to program software I'd even have a go at making one myself, but alas I have no skills in that area.
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Arksun wrote:I think a lot of us would love to be able to grab the best elements of our favourite synths and create the one uber-synth :D

If I knew how to program software I'd even have a go at making one myself, but alas I have no skills in that area.
+1 8)

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Cyforce wrote:Z3ta will never sound like Virus because Z3ta is Z3ta - and not a Virus. Just simple :hihi:
Quoted for truthiness!
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dsynth27 wrote:
Arksun wrote:I think a lot of us would love to be able to grab the best elements of our favourite synths and create the one uber-synth :D

If I knew how to program software I'd even have a go at making one myself, but alas I have no skills in that area.
+1 8)
+ another 1 :D

Maybe this wish come true with the next Virus? Or Massive 2.0?

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Why do you want Z3TA+2 to sound like a Virus ?

Z3TA+2 sounds great just like it is and I love it ...

Why would you want a donkey to be a camel ?
No auto tune...

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I think Kontakt can sound like a Virus.
(I can think of Thrillogy.... :wink: )
*at the moment I can only think of it - I don't have 7 GB of hard drive to spare*

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osiris wrote: Z3ta 1.5 can sound creamy smooth to so rough it hurts.
Z3ta 2.1 has lost that.
How was it " lost " ? What was taken out of 2.1 that was in 1.5 ?
None are so hopelessly enslaved as those who falsely believe they are free. Johann Wolfgang von Goethe

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