Surge is a great synth indeed. Capable of a wide range of sounds.budweiser wrote:Don't believe the hype ! New doesn't mean better. I tried diva, sounds great, i own sylenth, sounds great, but over diva i prefer zebra, and over zebra, diva & sylenth i prefer Surge (vember audio) : low price, low on cpu & veeeeery polyvalent.
Diva vs Sylenth1
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- KVRist
- 120 posts since 6 Apr, 2011
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- KVRAF
- 1600 posts since 2 Apr, 2006 from Studio City, California
Choice be tough, if only one you can buy. Diva sounds great like my old Juno 60 and Sylenth is in a class by itself. Not sure if Lennard (Sylenth Dev) is still in the game as much as he says but new sound sets are still being created for Sylenth. Listen to some of the sounds for Sylenth made by Vengeance, Xenos, Arksun, lelotusbleu, and Rob Lee. Not all Sylenth sounds are trance.
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- KVRian
- Topic Starter
- 1274 posts since 24 May, 2004
Hm, that didn't work for me...I'm on a Mac, so I assume the file goes to ~/Library/Audio/Presets/u-he/Diva/default.h2p?Urs wrote:Here's a trick:
- open Wordpad, create a new text document
- copy "!BLOCK_LATENCY_OFF=YES" (without quotes), paste in text, press enter
- save as "default.h2p"
- into Diva.data/Presets/Diva/
- restart Reaper
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- u-he
- 28063 posts since 8 Aug, 2002 from Berlin
It must be in MacHD/Library/...declassified wrote: Hm, that didn't work for me...I'm on a Mac, so I assume the file goes to ~/Library/Audio/Presets/u-he/Diva/default.h2p?
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- KVRAF
- 2973 posts since 18 Oct, 2004
Sylenth takes very little CPU, Diva a lot. On the other hand, the Diva dev has not abandoned his creation. I personally think Sylenth1 is stable and "finished" as-is, but it's something to be aware of.
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- KVRian
- Topic Starter
- 1274 posts since 24 May, 2004
Thank you, it works!Urs wrote:It must be in MacHD/Library/...
Is there also a solution about the default accuracy setting? For me, Diva always goes to "great" (online) and "same" (offline) with every new instance. I tried right-clicking and using "make default"...
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- KVRian
- 1074 posts since 1 Jan, 2004
Oh come on, just buy both + Spectrasonics stuff + NI Komplete and you're done 
I would say that if you want: soft & warm - go diva. if you want : bright - go sylenth.
I would say that if you want: soft & warm - go diva. if you want : bright - go sylenth.
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- Banned
- 6129 posts since 9 Oct, 2007 from an inharmonious society
That setting works per-instance. At this time, there is no way to set it to any other setting, for saving with the next instance.declassified wrote:Thank you, it works!Urs wrote:It must be in MacHD/Library/...
Is there also a solution about the default accuracy setting? For me, Diva always goes to "great" (online) and "same" (offline) with every new instance. I tried right-clicking and using "make default"...
I wish there was a way to script it into the h2p file...like a "default Q" part, then just change it to Divine/best or whatever. Then save it as an init patch...but I think it's something written into the synths code, and not with the h2- file unfortunately.
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- u-he
- 28063 posts since 8 Aug, 2002 from Berlin
Let me think... the default patch *should* solve that issue, and I have no idea why it doesn't. Once could betrickst it with a script though... I'll ponder a bit about this.mcnoone wrote:That setting works per-instance. At this time, there is no way to set it to any other setting, for saving with the next instance.declassified wrote:Thank you, it works!Urs wrote:It must be in MacHD/Library/...
Is there also a solution about the default accuracy setting? For me, Diva always goes to "great" (online) and "same" (offline) with every new instance. I tried right-clicking and using "make default"...
I wish there was a way to script it into the h2p file...like a "default Q" part, then just change it to Divine/best or whatever. Then save it as an init patch...but I think it's something written into the synths code, and not with the h2- file unfortunately.
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- KVRAF
- 25421 posts since 3 Feb, 2005 from in the wilds
Sylenth doesn't fall apart at high resonance, it just isn't particularly interesting. Like many synths, it sounds a certain way, is not unpleasant and can be used to certain effect.SadPuppyBlues wrote:What's funny is I always thought of myself as a guy who doesn't even like high resonance. Too dancey or strictly club or cheesy or something.JimmiG wrote: I've only tried the demo version of Diva. The difference is there, but it's sublte. In my opinion, you'll only really hear these kinds of differences at certain combinations of (usually high) resonance settings and cutoff values, or when slowly sweeping the filter. At more "common", moderate settings, most digital filters sound rather good, IMO. It's when you really push them that some of the "cheaper" (in terms of quality, not always price) digital filters break apart.
Demoed DIVA, and when you blast the feedback knobs you can get FUNK. It's not hard to get nasty, spitty old world industrial out of it, either. Ugh. I'm coming to grips with the fact that at some point, I'm gonna have to buy this thing. Always thought high res wasn't for me.
Diva though is an eye opener. There is much musical variety possible. I've made lots of sounds with the resonance turned up in the high range and it is not just that usual chirpy sound. I have noticed with Diva is that you can turn the resonance up and still keep a solid low end. And the way the resonance relates to the feedback, osc type and level, noise, filter FM and cutoff frequency invites exploration... and of course there are the different filter models which have their unique character.
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- KVRist
- 52 posts since 28 Feb, 2012 from United States
Wow, I see sylenth as a modern virus. It is what access should of done, alias free osc, great leads finally. It is not super fat but it does bass ok, leads great, and arps and pads amazing. it cuts in the mix great.
Diva is strange, it sounds vintage but it is just missing the vintage magic. Its ok, i like all the options but honestly, i think the filters on sylenth one sound better, better resonance. I do like diva. But I prefer sylenth big time.
Money wise, i would get Sylenth1, tyrel nexus 6 free, ace for cheap and call it a day. Because I can make all the VA sounds i want with these.
Diva is strange, it sounds vintage but it is just missing the vintage magic. Its ok, i like all the options but honestly, i think the filters on sylenth one sound better, better resonance. I do like diva. But I prefer sylenth big time.
Money wise, i would get Sylenth1, tyrel nexus 6 free, ace for cheap and call it a day. Because I can make all the VA sounds i want with these.
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- KVRist
- 54 posts since 30 Dec, 2007 from Frankfurt/Germany
for me diva and fxpansions synthsquad are the plugins that are closest to the synths a keyboard player had on top of his rhodes in the late seventies.
if you're doin' mostly acoustic oder electric band music with some synths used as a part of this band they will fit perfectly. you have to get the live out of it by playing (realtime tweaking knobs, modwheel, pitchbend) and use external effects instead of deep programming inside the synth. search youtube for the big synth-solo players like george duke, jan hammer, chick corea... they used simple sounds but played it with soul! lot of fun to watch them playing!
if you're doin' mostly acoustic oder electric band music with some synths used as a part of this band they will fit perfectly. you have to get the live out of it by playing (realtime tweaking knobs, modwheel, pitchbend) and use external effects instead of deep programming inside the synth. search youtube for the big synth-solo players like george duke, jan hammer, chick corea... they used simple sounds but played it with soul! lot of fun to watch them playing!
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- KVRAF
- 1600 posts since 2 Apr, 2006 from Studio City, California
A few Non Trance listings below:pdxindy wrote:Yeah, but most are...C-note wrote:Not all Sylenth sounds are trance.
Music Box - suitable for all Electronic genres like Chill Out, Electronica, Electro, Lounge, House, and Ambient while still being useful for all mainstream genres (Rock, Pop, SynthPop, Vintage, etc.) - http://www.lelotusbleu.fr/catalog/produ ... ucts_id=83
Electro House - http://www.cfa-sound.com/wp/sylenth1-el ... use-vol-1/
Un Tranced - http://www.xenossoundworks.com/Sylenth.html
Arksun - http://www.arksun-sound.com/products.html
Veangeance Sound - Four non trance soundsets - http://www.vengeance-sound.com/
Loopmasters - Four more Non Trance soundsets -
http://www.loopmasters.com/search?versi ... =&x=21&y=0
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- KVRAF
- 25421 posts since 3 Feb, 2005 from in the wilds
C-note wrote:A few Non Trance listings below:pdxindy wrote:Yeah, but most are...C-note wrote:Not all Sylenth sounds are trance.
Music Box - suitable for all Electronic genres like Chill Out, Electronica, Electro, Lounge, House, and Ambient while still being useful for all mainstream genres (Rock, Pop, SynthPop, Vintage, etc.) - http://www.lelotusbleu.fr/catalog/produ ... ucts_id=83
Electro House - http://www.cfa-sound.com/wp/sylenth1-el ... use-vol-1/
Un Tranced - http://www.xenossoundworks.com/Sylenth.html
Arksun - http://www.arksun-sound.com/products.html
Veangeance Sound - Four non trance soundsets - http://www.vengeance-sound.com/
Loopmasters - Four more Non Trance soundsets -
http://www.loopmasters.com/search?versi ... =&x=21&y=0
The 4 Vengence sets that you say are not trance are still trance-centric... same with some of the others... and for every set you listed there are 8 that are exactly trance.
Outside trance-ish stuff, Sylenth starts to not shine the same... I think Massive is distinctly better for dubstep for example. Sylenth is a bit weak in the bass end in comparison. Whether people want to admit it or not, you get something for the higher cpu use. Massive has a sharp crispness in the bass that Sylenth lacks especially with modulations like a wobble bass. Same in comparison to Diva. There are various areas where the low cpu use of Sylenth is easy to hear in the result.
Sylenth is good at what it does and has been a success and a valuable addition to the sonic arsenal, but it is fairly limited in its sweet spot and toolset and it does have a specialty.
