well hardware analog synths use transistors so its basically just electricitybmanic wrote:You kind of missed my point. I don't doubt that Absynth can do a "click", most synths can do that. My point was that a simple "click" can be equally fast in the analogue domain, even faster, and it has all to do with the actual shape of the impulse and how the Digital to Analogue converter treats it.realmarco wrote:it does, try it yourself instantiate an envelope for the amp of a oscillator, then click and drag the "a" of the envelope towards the upper left and you will hear a clickbmanic wrote:This is not true though. If you carefully listen and start to actually measure the "click", for instance using an oscilloscope for the analogue signal, you'll quickly notice that there is way more to a simple click than meets the eye.realmarco wrote:i like Absynth's envelopes you can even have them "click" no hardware analogue synth could have faster envelopes
Fast in theory (amount of samples in a digital output) versus how fast it sounds to our ear/brain, are two different things. I know, it's hard to believe but that's how it is. Shape is everything.
For instance, in a digital system, the actual sample positions in a 8 sample (0.2ms basically at 44.1kHz) mini-click will decide very much how the sound actually sounds when it is filtered at the DA converter of your sound card. In fact, especially on these "clicks" the very type of your DA converter will change the perceived sound of the click.
I've done a lot of tests with this during various product developments and sound bank creation.
There's no such thing as a "simple click". Even an extremely short sound can have a lot of different flavors. People who are into any type of glitch music will know this very well.
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bManic
So simply saying "omg! this synth envelope is soooo fast! it can go all the way down to a "click!" doesn't really mean anything" unless you are way more specific. What kind of click? A light one? One with some bottom end to it? A "smooth" one (more like a zap!) or a chunky one (more like a "tock!"). There are so many details to the initial onset of a transient and incredibly small differences in sample position of whatever makes up the click can translate to something completely different once it's in the analogue domain (after DA conversion).
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bManic
but a plugin like Absynth can do faster envelopes than any analogue hardware synth and with any waveform i want