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shane1980 · Post by **shane1980** » Thu Dec 13, 2012 1:28 pm

Supreme Drums starts with the familiar drum sounds featured in many great hits such as The Eagles' Hotel California, Michael Jackson's Thriller and many more. We have created a powerful drum set-up with 19 available pieces and over 10 different kits. To ensure the best possible authentic sounds, Sound Magic not only chose the best drum brands available for sampling (such as DW, Ludwig and Sonar) but also utilized the best recording studios in the world to record them. It took more than two years to arrange for these samples to be created at three of the best known studios of all time: OCEAN WAY RECORDING(The Rolling Stones, Eric Clapton and more). THE RECORD PLANT (The Eagles Hotel California, Michael Jackson, Nine Inch Nails and more) THE LEGENDARY ABBEY ROAD STUDIOS (The Beatles and many more) to ensure the highest possible sound quality, we used the best possible gear, including the legendary Neve 88R and SSL 9080J consoles and dCS 905 AD converters.

Over two years of meticulous recording sessions resulted in over 73GB of raw sampling data with different drum sets, sticks, styles and rooms to give us the best possible starting points. It is likely that another Monster Size Drum Sample pack will appear on the market in coming days, but Sound Magic has chosen a different route to bring you these incredible sounds. By utilizing the Sound Magic MCN (Modeling Core Next) Engine, we have successfully modeled this huge data set, and our proprietary technology has shrunk it to a much more manageable 300MB size. This decreased size results in a super fast loading speed and a lightning fast performance response - all with very little impact on your CPU. And Sound Magic brings this home with NO loss of Sound Quality due to our latest modeling technology.

To further ensure the realism of these amazing sounds, Sound Magic employs its Plasma Random System, designed to make sure that successive notes are slightly different. The artificial "machine gun" rolls are a thing of the past!

We've also utilized HD Velocity Layering which extends the traditional 127 velocity layers to 65,536 velocity layers! This allows for the smoothest velocity transitions ever experienced and really brings that "live" feeling to all of your performances.
Careful modeling on our Supreme Drum's envelopes enables you to fully control the dynamics of a performance. And we've incorporated a Performance Key Switch System to make it quicker and easier to switch skill sets and techniques in intensive live playing situations.

Supreme Drums' flexible and comprehensive Mixing Console lets you mix, route and use our built-in EQ and Compression units. You can control individual microphone leakage just like a real world drum recording session. In the mixer, you not only have multiple microphone positions fully under your control, but you can also tweak those microphone leakage amounts, reproducing the leakage between different microphones that would be encountered in a real drum recording. This really brings realism to your recordings! The high quality of Sound Magic's EQ and Compressor gives you control over the acoustic impact of your drums, delivering a powerful modern sound that further enhances the sense of realism in your final product.

Supreme Drums also fully supports our Add-On System Link Version 2. Through this link, users will have the ability to add any of our high quality Neo Line Plugins allowing them to work seamlessly with Supreme Drums. Here is the flexible, extendable effects processing you've been looking for. Our Neo Line Plugins not only bring a higher quality professional standard to effects processing, they make it easier to solve your problems and get that sound you've been looking for quickly and efficiently.

Supreme Drums' Groove Engine provides the perfect environment for editing patterns, setting up performance modes and applying humanization effects for added realism. You can quickly browse the groove files and choose which one you want to play, or you can edit your own pattern on the included Step Sequencer. We have added over 1000 grooves for you to browse and use, royalty-free in your next project.

Features
Innovative MCN (Modeling Core Next) Engine modeled drums, 300MB in size with little CPU usage

Samples are coming from the best recording studios in the world

Innovative Plasma Random System provides anti-machine gun effect

HD Velocity Layer supports up to 65,536 Velocity Layers!

Performance Key Switch System to make it quicker and easier to switch skill sets and techniques in intensive live playing situations.

Multi-microphone positions enable users to mix between different microphone positions and create new sounds that easily fit into a mix.

Powerful Mixer and Microphone Leakage setting create a feeling of a real drum recording session.

Groove Engine provides patterns for use immediately in you project

Build-in 64 Steps Sequencer

Powerful Add-on System

Built-in professional EQ and Compressor.

Faster load times. Smaller hard drive footprint, less memory and less CPU usage.

For more information, downloading demo version and listen audio demos, please visit
http://www.supremepiano.com/product/sdrums.html

palle2 · Post by **palle2** » Thu Dec 13, 2012 1:50 pm

Was this written by the Tone2 marketing department?

Could you post some pictures of the recording sessions?

Ariel s · Post by **Ariel s** » Thu Dec 13, 2012 3:23 pm

Sounds interesting, and the price is right.
I would like to see a video tutorial/demo so the workflow and sound could be evaluated closely.

musicdoc · Post by **musicdoc** » Thu Dec 13, 2012 9:11 pm

Sounds great .. But.. After trying your other products I just don't have any high hopes yet. Sounds fishy. Recording 73gigs? Compressing or doing something to get to 300 megs? Expensive studio sessions at worlds top studios?

Forgive me for being a doubter but something's not quite right here. I'll still try the instrument just for the heck of it.

realmarco · Post by **realmarco** » Thu Dec 13, 2012 11:38 pm

Mac AU version ?

A.M. Gold · Post by **A.M. Gold** » Fri Dec 14, 2012 3:38 am

musicdoc wrote:Sounds great .. But.. After trying your other products I just don't have any high hopes yet. Sounds fishy. Recording 73gigs? Compressing or doing something to get to 300 megs? Expensive studio sessions at worlds top studios?

Forgive me for being a doubter but something's not quite right here. I'll still try the instrument just for the heck of it.

Well he is an award-winning producer...

I'm with you, though. The unsubstantiated hyperbole, which has always issued from this KVR member, seems to get worse with every new release. If it continues, I will PM a mod and discuss this developer with him.

KVR is not a playground for snake-oil salesmen.

premiumcrap · Post by **premiumcrap** » Fri Dec 14, 2012 3:52 pm

not all products from shane are bad

"piano one" is still the best freeware-piano IMO! and also the commercial
pianos can compete.
(and i tried many commercial sw-pianos lacking mono-compatibility, too undefinated sound etc.)

with a little treatment you can get a very good sound.

there are many products from sound magic, not really necessary (effects)

the problem is this, sound magic is not focused to relaese a fine high-end
product. it feels just like a supermarket!

www.myspace.com/tombalcony

Daan22 · Post by **Daan22** » Fri Dec 14, 2012 6:24 pm

I have the Sound Magic Fazioli piano, and I love it.

About this drum plugin, I think the demos sound very good. But why not post some photo's of the recording sessions? I can't imagine a company recording in the most famous studio's in the world, and not putting some pictures on their site.

NI did it. I bought Modern Drummer a few weeks ago. Very similar product. It's nice to see some pictures, and it can only attract customers.

ENV1 · Post by **ENV1** » Fri Dec 14, 2012 6:40 pm

After reading his description for his DC12 entry, and then experiencing the actual quality of the instrument, i wouldnt believe this guy if he told me that rain is wet...

Mudcat007 · Post by **Mudcat007** » Fri Dec 14, 2012 6:44 pm

realmarco wrote:Mac AU version ?

If you want access to more instruments/plugins why don't you just switch to a PC?

Daan22 · Post by **Daan22** » Fri Dec 14, 2012 7:02 pm

BTW There's no mention of the drummer(s) you worked with. I would say it takes a professional drummer for a product like this?

musicdoc · Post by **musicdoc** » Sat Dec 15, 2012 9:10 am

Well, tried it out for the heck of it, since I not to kind to the developer in my last post.

The Good:
Kick drum may be usable. Drums themselves and crashes are ok. Demo tracks pretty good.

Not so good:
-Apparently the developer has developed a new midi standard for the location of the drums. Enjoy finding the hits. It could be set to how you like it, but an option for a general midi layout would be nice.

-No kit presets? very limited hits. Only one hihat sound at a time? As in only closed, or only open, but not together. This has to be some kind of demo limitation.

-Incredible variability in closed hi-hat. No way of control. Like its going left-right-left hand. Weird sounding, phasey hats.

-Toms are almost muted, little dynamics and to much variability between different toms.

In short: At $129 this developer is dreaming. Nothing to see here folks. To much better competition out there for this kind of money. If this developer was using samples from Abbey roads or Ocean way, than it is one's that NI or Toontracks or someone else recorded:)

realmarco · Post by **realmarco** » Sun Dec 16, 2012 4:56 am

Mudcat007 wrote:
realmarco wrote:Mac AU version ?
If you want access to more instruments/plugins why don't you just switch to a PC?

cuz i use logic

A.M. Gold · Post by **A.M. Gold** » Sun Dec 16, 2012 5:04 am

musicdoc wrote:
In short: At $129 this developer is dreaming. Nothing to see here folks. To much better competition out there for this kind of money. If this developer was using samples from Abbey roads or Ocean way, than it is one's that NI or Toontracks or someone else recorded:)

No, he isn't dreaming, the appropriate word sounds similar, but starts with an s.

Compyfox · Post by **Compyfox** » Sun Dec 16, 2012 10:38 am

musicdoc wrote:Sounds great .. But.. After trying your other products I just don't have any high hopes yet. Sounds fishy. Recording 73gigs? Compressing or doing something to get to 300 megs? Expensive studio sessions at worlds top studios?

Forgive me for being a doubter but something's not quite right here. I'll still try the instrument just for the heck of it.

To my understanding, the plugin uses physical modeling rather than samples. So I think only the impulses are used, and the rest is modeled. Hence the low filesize.

I've yet to test this thing myself (can't currently - not nearby any studio environment), but I liked the audio demos. At least the ones from demo users and the Bebop mix. Though I think there will be heavy EQing and compression needed.

Someone can give any info regarding the ouputs? I think SynthEdit (shell) has a limitiation on that end (read Stereo). At least in Cubase.

realmarco wrote:
Mudcat007 wrote:
realmarco wrote:Mac AU version ?
If you want access to more instruments/plugins why don't you just switch to a PC?
cuz i use logic

Then be like every Mac user out there... Look - somewhere - else.

You (and by that I not only mean you in person, but also the general Mac crowd) have plenty of cross platform alternatives. You (the Mac users) decided to jump on Mac because it was shiny and now pretty much abandonned (Logic and OS wise).

If you (again, the mac users - and you as well realmarco) want Mac versions of certain plugins or VSTi, since they're just more intuitive than what the Mac has to offer. And simpler to maintenance since Mac offers a new OS with new kinds of kinks every half year... Then write the developers of both SynthEdit and SynthMaker, ask for Mac rendering options. Or pay the developers of the tools you're interested in themselves to invest in a Macintosh environment.

It's that simple.

That, or use V-Machine's MAC environment - which can load PC VST/VSTi stuff.

"But I don't want to wrap..." - UH-UH-UH! Shhhh... you have the possibilties. Use them, else suck it up like everyone else. kthnx!

I'm not pissed either that certain tools only exist on a Mac platform (like Auria). I just sucked it up and live with it and don't spam threads with constant whinings to port them. Sheesh!

Sound Magic Releases Supreme Drums, Hybrid Modeled Drum Kits