Yeah that's what I meant, thanksLimeflavour wrote:@Layzer: I think he meant the larger "bottom layer" area of the knobs, the light (gradient) looks like it's coming straight from the top on that part of the knob.
Obxd synthesizer
- KVRAF
- 1908 posts since 7 Jan, 2004 from Earth
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Funkybot's Evil Twin Funkybot's Evil Twin https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=116627
- KVRAF
- 11519 posts since 16 Aug, 2006
Isn't 24 or 24db more common and clear than 4-pole? I'm with you on the other labels, particularly Cutoff, but 24 should remain as is.EvilDragon wrote:And FLT not going to be CUTOFF? P ENV is still misleading? 24 not going to 4 POLE because it's clearer at what it does (it can fit there!)?
- KVRAF
- 6325 posts since 18 Jul, 2008 from New York
Yes, I think 24 is more common and clearer than 4-pole. I think EvilDragon is acting more like a Cajoler than a Consoler.Funkybot's Evil Twin wrote:Isn't 24 or 24db more common and clear than 4-pole? I'm with you on the other labels, particularly Cutoff, but 24 should remain as is.EvilDragon wrote:And FLT not going to be CUTOFF? P ENV is still misleading? 24 not going to 4 POLE because it's clearer at what it does (it can fit there!)?
This is a free synth. We should be appreciative even if every detail is not exactly to our liking. Also there has to be a point where the GUI is done so 2DAT can finalize his work.
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- KVRAF
- 3517 posts since 18 Apr, 2002 from British Columbia, Canada
I'm w/ Funkybot here, 24db is what it should say IMHO. you can have 4 pole filters of several different decibles-per-octave, as well as high-pass, band-pass, etc. so having a '4 pole' label doesn't tell me enough about the filter. If a future version has it switchable between poles, then by all means.
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- KVRian
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- 631 posts since 21 Jun, 2013
Little update before complete gui.
Unlearn button. Mod rate at lowest position turns vibrato off. 4 pole mode volume compensation ( more usable now - not like hardware , but we arent copying bad things, right?). Changed plugin id, and you may have presets incompatibility messages from hosts. Possible solution : force load from savihost and resave.
Added more character to 24 dbo filter.
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/s/fhw ... y/Obxd.zip
Unlearn button. Mod rate at lowest position turns vibrato off. 4 pole mode volume compensation ( more usable now - not like hardware , but we arent copying bad things, right?). Changed plugin id, and you may have presets incompatibility messages from hosts. Possible solution : force load from savihost and resave.
Added more character to 24 dbo filter.
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/s/fhw ... y/Obxd.zip
- KVRAF
- 23102 posts since 7 Jan, 2009 from Croatia
I'd have nothing against the button saying "24 dB", but just "24" is funny. 24 what? Biscuits?Funkybot's Evil Twin wrote:Isn't 24 or 24db more common and clear than 4-pole? I'm with you on the other labels, particularly Cutoff, but 24 should remain as is.EvilDragon wrote:And FLT not going to be CUTOFF? P ENV is still misleading? 24 not going to 4 POLE because it's clearer at what it does (it can fit there!)?
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- KVRian
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- 631 posts since 21 Jun, 2013
Its speaking name itself for expirienced users. For newbies , there is a manual, or forum.EvilDragon wrote:I'd have nothing against the button saying "24 dB", but just "24" is funny. 24 what? Biscuits?Funkybot's Evil Twin wrote:Isn't 24 or 24db more common and clear than 4-pole? I'm with you on the other labels, particularly Cutoff, but 24 should remain as is.EvilDragon wrote:And FLT not going to be CUTOFF? P ENV is still misleading? 24 not going to 4 POLE because it's clearer at what it does (it can fit there!)?
- KVRAF
- 3834 posts since 15 Mar, 2002 from Underworld
Thank you 2DaT! Much appreciated update!
24 biscuits LOL ED! I'd rather have 24 shots of vodka.
Yeah 24dB would sound more comprehensible indeed, especially for newbies to synthesis. In my experience people usually don't know what "pole" means, like 2-pole or 4-pole, but they understand 6dB, 12dB etc. filters. Well, they understand that it is stronger sounding when you turn up the resonance at least.
24 biscuits LOL ED! I'd rather have 24 shots of vodka.
Yeah 24dB would sound more comprehensible indeed, especially for newbies to synthesis. In my experience people usually don't know what "pole" means, like 2-pole or 4-pole, but they understand 6dB, 12dB etc. filters. Well, they understand that it is stronger sounding when you turn up the resonance at least.
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- KVRist
- 449 posts since 26 Jun, 2005 from Sweden
Filter type: 24 dogBiscuits.... I didn't know that, it's funny how you never stop learning.
*walks away scratching head*
*walks away scratching head*
Flavours of Lime - Tasty gui design for vst plugins.
- KVRAF
- 3834 posts since 15 Mar, 2002 from Underworld
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- KVRAF
- 23102 posts since 7 Jan, 2009 from Croatia
Nobody reads the manuals anymore And do you really want a flurry of newbs hoarding the forums? Just call it 24 dB please. There's room for that and it will look nicer.2DaT wrote:Its speaking name itself for expirienced users. For newbies , there is a manual, or forum.
And I still very much think that VAM is lame and tells nothing and should be renamed. As well as P ENV is misleading and it should say F ENV > PITCH or something (would be better if you just named envelopes 1 and 2, then knobs would be called ENV 1 AMT and ENV 2 AMT where necessary...)
In fact, here's a practical question. Since you're already going to link graphics to the UI, can't you make things skinnable, say, following some sort of XML scheme?
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- KVRian
- 764 posts since 2 Jun, 2004
The Oberheim OB-1 use a 2P / 4P switchFunkybot's Evil Twin wrote:Isn't 24 or 24db more common and clear than 4-pole? I'm with you on the other labels, particularly Cutoff, but 24 should remain as is.EvilDragon wrote:And FLT not going to be CUTOFF? P ENV is still misleading? 24 not going to 4 POLE because it's clearer at what it does (it can fit there!)?
The Oberheim OBxa and OB8 has a 4 POLE button.
The DSI synths has a 4 POLE button as well.
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- KVRian
- 764 posts since 2 Jun, 2004
No you can't. Where did you get that idea?Z3R0T0N1N wrote:I'm w/ Funkybot here, 24db is what it should say IMHO. you can have 4 pole filters of several different decibles-per-octave, as well as high-pass, band-pass, etc. so having a '4 pole' label doesn't tell me enough about the filter. If a future version has it switchable between poles, then by all means.
All filter designs are always 6 dB per POLE, i.e:
1 POLE = 6 dB
2 POLE = 12 dB
3 POLE = 18 dB
4 POLE = 24 dB
- KVRAF
- 6325 posts since 18 Jul, 2008 from New York
Dog Biscuits are the secret ingredient that give the filter real analog flavor. We don't advertise it on the GUI otherwise it wouldn't be a secret.Limeflavour wrote:Filter type: 24 dogBiscuits.... I didn't know that, it's funny how you never stop learning.
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- 11093 posts since 16 Mar, 2003 from Porto - Portugal
For those familiar with synths and filters, "24" is meaningful enough. For those who aren't labeling it "4 pole" will not help, since they will probably not have the slightest clue of what that means. But I also have nothing against "24 dB" (actually, it should be "-24 dB")EvilDragon wrote: I'd have nothing against the button saying "24 dB", but just "24" is funny. 24 what? Biscuits?
Fernando (FMR)