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Ichad.c
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Postby Ichad.c; Mon Dec 16, 2013 1:05 pm

spacedad wrote:
xoxos wrote:aren't simmons electroacoustic, meaning that an emulation would be required to model a resonant plate (at least.. and cabinet) which is more or less in the realm of "clever tricks* may sound similar but maybe next decade" - high performance 2d models** are cpu prohibitive for daws, i'd expect you could run a few realtime on multicores, but not enough to be marketable as a vst, especially not with an output up to 22kHz.

* eg. modal synthesis
** eg. meshes


you gave the 'wrong' answer!
should have said 'give bong a try,it's not a simmons emu,but it's a bloody good drum synth,and it may get close! ;)


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Postby RiKo; Fri Mar 14, 2014 8:25 pm Re: '80s Simmons Drums - best synthesized (not samples) emulation VSTi?

Wave alchemy is coming out with new 80s drum machine and they are asking the if anyone want any particular drum sound to let them know, so anyone who is interested in Simmons sdsv post your comment on their site just like i did :)
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Postby Andywanders; Fri Mar 14, 2014 8:40 pm Re: '80s Simmons Drums - best synthesized (not samples) emulation VSTi?

If you've got a sampler (and who hasn't?), there are some free simmons samples here...

http://www.logic-cafe.com/lc/index.php/ ... -logic-pro

And here...

http://sampleswap.org/filebrowser-new.p ... NS+SDS8%2F
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Postby murnau; Fri Mar 14, 2014 9:45 pm Re: '80s Simmons Drums - best synthesized (not samples) emulation VSTi?

Cinemascore wrote:Does anyone have any other ideas on a good drum synth that can faithfully emulate the '80s sound of Simmons drums without using samples?
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Postby deastman; Fri Mar 14, 2014 11:21 pm Re:

xoxos wrote:aren't simmons electroacoustic, meaning that an emulation would be required to model a resonant plate (at least.. and cabinet) which is more or less in the realm of "clever tricks* may sound similar but maybe next decade" - high performance 2d models** are cpu prohibitive for daws, i'd expect you could run a few realtime on multicores, but not enough to be marketable as a vst, especially not with an output up to 22kHz.

* eg. modal synthesis
** eg. meshes


Are you sure about that? I've never used Simmons before, but I was always under the impression that they were synth sounds triggered by pads, and nothing more. What you're describing sounds more like the Korg Wavedrum.
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Postby xoxos; Sat Mar 15, 2014 10:07 am Re: '80s Simmons Drums - best synthesized (not samples) emulation VSTi?

never met one myself, seems to depend on the model #

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8btWSCsZ1wQ
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Postby realmarco; Wed Mar 26, 2014 6:31 pm Re: '80s Simmons Drums - best synthesized (not samples) emulation VSTi?

i like the CM-505 from Linplug that comes with Computer magazine DVD
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Postby Aly James; Wed Jun 11, 2014 6:06 pm Re: '80s Simmons Drums - best synthesized (not samples) emulation VSTi?

xoxos wrote:never met one myself, seems to depend on the model #

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8btWSCsZ1wQ


In fact it is not :)
What might put you on the wrong way in this video is that you hear the cam mic hence the sound of the sicks hitting the plastic head get also caught... there is also a blurry note on the original manual that might suggest this... but under the hood...
I am currently working on an accurate VST hybrid of both of the modules that you can see in this video... (Simmons SDSV(5) and SDS7)

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I usually go down to schematic stage and here is the guts of the SDSV system:
You can see that the main triangle OSC (blue line) is mixed with the noise generator (purple line) and from then a part of this mix (green line) set by the click amount pot is fed to a first VCA (VCA1), the click itself get generated by a short boost of the noise source, it generate the short attack click part.
Once the initial boost is done the final sound is shaped by VCA 2...
The voice cards were set slightly differently, depending on the sound the trigger velocity will affect different part of the circuit...
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Last but not least the additional card for HIHAT and CYMBALS were both EPROM + Noise Generator based.
The clever trick ( similar to the linn LM1) was to loop constantly the EPROM sample (which is a short 8bit linear 4k cymbal sample stored on a 2732 EPROM) and the trigger will only launch the VCF and VCA... contrary to the Linn the sample is read forward then backward.
As bend also influence the EPROM reading sample rate you can get the nice low bit effect you can clearly hear in the video above :)
Also notice how the sound seems to bend up when he release the stick...
This happen because the EPROM sample rate cannot goes under 0... so it goes down down down and at some point might stop or voltage get rectified hence it goes up :)

Hope that helps!

Best
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Postby arkmabat; Wed Jun 11, 2014 7:20 pm Re: '80s Simmons Drums - best synthesized (not samples) emulation VSTi?

http://www.maxsynths.com/vsti_free_simon.html
http://marvinpavilion.ojaru.jp/en/sound/vst.html

Anyone tried the above? Don't know how close of an emu we're talking...

Also, I love Bong. If you're reading this post and have an interest in drum machines, do yourself a favor and buy it.
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Postby Aly James; Wed Jun 11, 2014 8:26 pm Re: '80s Simmons Drums - best synthesized (not samples) emulation VSTi?

arkmabat wrote:http://www.maxsynths.com/vsti_free_simon.html
http://marvinpavilion.ojaru.jp/en/sound/vst.html

Anyone tried the above? Don't know how close of an emu we're talking...

Also, I love Bong. If you're reading this post and have an interest in drum machines, do yourself a favor and buy it.


I did try the Japanese freeby, its nice and might do the job if your are not to picky and do not need the exact Simmons sound and features, it might do the job in a full mix but do not match the Simmons sound, controls and punch.
OSC of this VST are sine waves while Simmons are Triangle wave with soft clipping when hit harder, this is a very characteristic sound...among other things the trigger velocity will act on a lot of things and will do differently depending on the voice... which is not emulated here.
Last thing Hihat and Cymbal are simple wave file loader/player which is totally different than what I have explain above :)

The first link :scared: ................. according to the description on the website.

Indeed Bong is great, try the demo!
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Postby Lotuzia; Wed Jun 11, 2014 11:09 pm Re: '80s Simmons Drums - best synthesized (not samples) emulation VSTi?

Anecdotal, but I made some *kind of Simmonesque* presets for the Xils 4. Here's one of them, a sound between Lo Tom and Kick. The HH use the looping enveloppe, but as it uses the 2nd VCS core synth, you can mute it. Lots of Ooomph in this patch imo, and maybe a Simmons feel.( So, it reminds me of the Simmons toms ymmv )

Xils 4 Simmons + HH

There have been a lot of Simmons models btw, some with analog circuitry, some with samples on eproms, and even some with mixed synthesis depending on the modules iirc.
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Postby teacue; Sat Jun 14, 2014 6:49 am Re: '80s Simmons Drums - best synthesized (not samples) emulation VSTi?

In the meantime Aly James has uploaded a soundtest of his new creation VSDSX VST Simmons Drums on Soundcloud:

https://soundcloud.com/alyjameslab/vsds ... nded-test1

To my ears it sounds unbelievably good!
I can't wait for this plug to be released!!!

Thanks a lot for your amazing work Aly James :clap: :harp: :band: :tu:
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Postby Sendy; Sat Jun 14, 2014 6:59 am Re: '80s Simmons Drums - best synthesized (not samples) emulation VSTi?

Everything looks hexagonal after listening to that.
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Postby bluedad; Sat Jun 14, 2014 8:38 am Re: '80s Simmons Drums - best synthesized (not samples) emulation VSTi?

teacue wrote:In the meantime Aly James has uploaded a soundtest of his new creation VSDSX VST Simmons Drums on Soundcloud:

https://soundcloud.com/alyjameslab/vsds ... nded-test1

To my ears it sounds unbelievably good!
I can't wait for this plug to be released!!!

Thanks a lot for your amazing work Aly James :clap: :harp: :band: :tu:

omg, that sounds fantastic! I will probably buy that.
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Postby Numanoid; Sat Jun 14, 2014 8:45 am Re: '80s Simmons Drums - best synthesized (not samples) emulation VSTi?

And then u-he has the ltmLAB Simmons SDS 800, think it is free to download from a mag?

http://de.scribd.com/doc/122947078/LtmL ... -Anleitung

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