Eisenberg Einklang is a joke?
- KVRAF
- Topic Starter
- 5564 posts since 13 Jan, 2005 from the bottom of my heart
this is a real joke. the sound is really, really terrible: thin, boring etc. the basses are very weak i think because of the resynth engine but i really dont care why tbh - i can't understand how someone would pay for this crap. i think 99% of free VI are better then this. as i understand this "company" get money from EU. i think that's the reason why they exist. unbelievable lame stuff. beware!!!!
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- KVRian
- 1474 posts since 7 Jan, 2004
And you apparantly get money to dumb it down.
Or you're feeling bored and just want to attract some attention (beware, you might attract a ban. Beware!!!).
(I'm sorry I fed this troll)
The more I hang around at KVR the less music I make.
- KVRAF
- Topic Starter
- 5564 posts since 13 Jan, 2005 from the bottom of my heart
not really, this is a board for plugin aficionados - i can praise, i can say beware and eveybody can discuss my opinion in this thread. if you dont like a true word (of course always subjective what else?) , or you simply not able to prove me wrong you better move on and troll elsewhere.Timfonie wrote:
And you apparantly get money to dumb it down.
Or you're feeling bored and just want to attract some attention (beware, you might attract a ban. Beware!!!).
(I'm sorry I fed this troll)
ps. got money..
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- KVRAF
- 5813 posts since 17 Aug, 2004 from Berlin, Germany
If I understand this correctly, this synth is using some kind of "synth models" instead of a typical oscillator/filter etc. combination? So if the models are not very good, the resulting sound will not be very good.
Btw. I hear the first time of this synth.
Btw. I hear the first time of this synth.
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- KVRAF
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- 5564 posts since 13 Jan, 2005 from the bottom of my heart
yep thats right, maybe it's of some use if you feed another osc with it? ..but as a stand-alone synth i found it very,very weak. i would go so far to say this is the faintest VI i had in my DAW ever.
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- KVRian
- 1280 posts since 26 Mar, 2004 from UK
It's not the most versatile of synths, but it has something going for it. The whole premise - of three separate "sounds" which you can merge between (and automate) is interesting - to me at least. The modulation is quite limited, and this is where it falls down in my opinion - but this is probably due to limitations of the sound engine / modelling going on.
What I will say is, I think it's quite overpriced. The "RGB" tone packs are $29 each and the synth $39 - or all in a bundle for $99. I think a fairer price for the bundle is $69.
As for the black & white packs at $89 each? No chance. I'm sure these sounds aren't three times better than the RGB ones, so why three times the cost?
What I will say is, I think it's quite overpriced. The "RGB" tone packs are $29 each and the synth $39 - or all in a bundle for $99. I think a fairer price for the bundle is $69.
As for the black & white packs at $89 each? No chance. I'm sure these sounds aren't three times better than the RGB ones, so why three times the cost?
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- KVRAF
- 16385 posts since 22 Nov, 2000 from Southern California
As I understand it, it was intentionally made to sound different from other synths. They're soon releasing an emulation of the Doepfer DS-404 and that will probably be a better one to judge against other VSTi's that emulate analog synths.murnau wrote:the sound is really, really terrible: thin, boring etc. the basses are very weak i think because of the resynth engine but i really dont care why tbh - i can't understand how someone would pay for this crap. i think 99% of free VI are better then this.
- KVRAF
- 1758 posts since 15 Mar, 2013 from Germany
+1 to OP
I tested it and I was very disappointed. Sounds completely dull.
I tested it and I was very disappointed. Sounds completely dull.
- KVRAF
- Topic Starter
- 5564 posts since 13 Jan, 2005 from the bottom of my heart
just in case you dont know: Plex2 from Wolfgang Palm - sound much better and free, x64 also http://plex.hermannseib.com/mcnelson wrote:It's not the most versatile of synths, but it has something going for it. The whole premise - of three separate "sounds" which you can merge between (and automate) is interesting - to me at least.
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- KVRAF
- 12522 posts since 21 Mar, 2008 from Hannover, Germany
I have to agree too. Tested multiple times since the very first version and very disappointed while generally the idea behind it is interesting.CableChannel wrote:+1 to OP
I tested it and I was very disappointed. Sounds completely dull.
The actual synth is just too limited. Not even any option to modulate/animate the morph triangle, exept if you use extenal modulations. i think a 2-D envelope like e.g. in Synthmaster 2.6 (or in Wavestation and Prophet VS) would be nice.
My Wavestation (both hardware and software) or the Prophet VS in Arturia Prophet V is lots more fun and they also do sound better.
Also tried to use the vectors stick of my Wavestation EX with the morph triangle of einklang but it is not possible to use it properly. They should really think about changing the triangle to a mix of 4 sources.
it is nice that they lowered the price of the basic version of Einklang but even with that i did not really want to buy it. Some of the expansions seem to be very expensive compared to the basic version of the synth.
Overall Einklang looks more like a "proof of concept" for their technology than like a full featured synth.
From Wolfgang Palm I got for example both the free Plex2 and PPG Wavegeberator for PC which are many more useful than Einklang and IMO the also sound better.murnau wrote:just in case you dont know: Plex2 from Wolfgang Palm - sound much better and free, x64 also http://plex.hermannseib.com/mcnelson wrote:It's not the most versatile of synths, but it has something going for it. The whole premise - of three separate "sounds" which you can merge between (and automate) is interesting - to me at least.
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- KVRAF
- 2908 posts since 26 Oct, 2007 from Kent, UK
Do you mean the MS-404? I love the sound of that thing.Uncle E wrote:They're soon releasing an emulation of the Doepfer DS-404 and that will probably be a better one to judge against other VSTi's that emulate analog synths.
- KVRAF
- 6305 posts since 9 Dec, 2008 from Berlin
Yeah, same feelings here. At first it sounded interesting, but when I tried it I found it just boring and limited. Simplicity gone primitive.
The whole thing sounds like a totally abstract, academic, non-real-world-inspired idea to me.
I can easily imagine the wording that sold it to some EU committee.
Selling it to musicians will be much much harder...
Cheers,
Tom
The whole thing sounds like a totally abstract, academic, non-real-world-inspired idea to me.
I can easily imagine the wording that sold it to some EU committee.
Selling it to musicians will be much much harder...
Cheers,
Tom
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- KVRAF
- 1758 posts since 15 Mar, 2013 from Germany
Exactly this!ThomasHelzle wrote: The whole thing sounds like a totally abstract, academic, non-real-world-inspired idea to me.
And this makes me sad, as I can imagine how the EU shells out tons of money for these kind of projects. Just bloated application documents with "rocket science" academic wording which nobody at the EU understands, and because they are so impressed they give the money.I can easily imagine the wording that sold it to some EU committee.
Selling it to musicians will be much much harder...
- KVRAF
- 18561 posts since 16 Sep, 2001 from Las Vegas,USA
So this is the Eisenberg Uncertainty ?
Err sorry that's Heisenberg............
Err sorry that's Heisenberg............
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