KVR Audio

fluffy_little_something · Fri Apr 18, 2014 9:41 pm

Since I just can't seem to standardize on a single DAW, I can at best use synth presets across two or more DAW's since entire racks are specific to the respective DAW. Hence it would be cool to have all effects built right into the synth so that I am totally independent of DAW's. One click in the patch manager and the fully processed instrument is ready to be recorded...

By complete synth I mean the synth plus at least a built-in equalizer, compressor, chorus (or reverb), delay, arp and a modulation matrix (or simple slots, doesn't matter), which must at least be able to map velocity to all kinds of parameters including envelope attack stages. To prevent people from suggesting Sylenth, it must also have a PW control, sad enough one still has to say so in 2014

I know Spire has all that, Ultra Analog too, maybe Dune 2 as well (Dune 1 already had everything except for the compressor afaik). Element unfortunately lacks the compressor. Are there any others?

Price does not really matter. But it should be the analog synthesis type, not FM, PM or something like that. It should sound good, but I don't need 0df filters and zillion x oversampling. Nor do I care whether or not it sounds authentic like hardware. As long as it sounds good and free of aliasing.

dentnile · Post by **dentnile** » Fri Apr 18, 2014 9:55 pm

Have a look at Camel Audio Alchemy. To be independent of DAWs you could also use third party effects rather than the ones that come with the DAW.

ThePresent · Post by **ThePresent** » Fri Apr 18, 2014 9:57 pm

Synthmaster, but beware it will give you more than virtual analog

Read up on the product page or try it out.

fluffy_little_something · Fri Apr 18, 2014 9:58 pm

dentnile wrote:Have a look at Camel Audio Alchemy. To be independent of DAWs you could also use third party effects rather than the ones that come with the DAW.

Yes, I know. What I meant is that I want the effects and their specific settings to be save along with the synth preset. Many effect plugins don't even have a patch manager, so I could not save the ideal settings of a compressor and reload them in another DAW. Hard to explain, I hope I have managed to now

ThePresent · Post by **ThePresent** » Fri Apr 18, 2014 10:01 pm

Synthmaster saves the complete preset, fx included. Now if they could have BigMacs built in....

But I must admit I haven't figured out as yet how to employ and tweak the onboard eq and compressor, but... It is there

murnau · Post by **murnau** » Fri Apr 18, 2014 10:16 pm

thats why i love to use Kore from time to time. at least for all the native instruments synths you are completely DAW independent.

pdxindy · Post by **pdxindy** » Fri Apr 18, 2014 10:25 pm

Zebra fits all those requirements... The FX grid means you can do a huge range of fx chains, multiple chains etc... There are a goodly number of FX modules... 2 delays, 2 choruses, 2 compressors, 2 distortion modules, 2 EQ's, Reverb, 3 filters, RingMod, and some mixers... arranged however the user wants

V0RT3X · Post by **V0RT3X** » Fri Apr 18, 2014 10:32 pm

http://www.fxpansion.com/index.php?page=62

EnGee · Post by **EnGee** » Fri Apr 18, 2014 10:45 pm

Korg Legacy Cell

V0RT3X · Post by **V0RT3X** » Fri Apr 18, 2014 10:51 pm

If all else fails..

http://www.musicradar.com/tuition/tech/ ... y-262145/1

fluffy_little_something · Fri Apr 18, 2014 10:59 pm

V0RT3X wrote:If all else fails..

http://www.musicradar.com/tuition/tech/ ... y-262145/1

Well, I don't feel like downloading 54 plugins, not only because of my limited Internet access

ghettosynth · Post by **ghettosynth** » Fri Apr 18, 2014 11:11 pm

fluffy_little_something wrote:Since I just can't seem to standardize on a single DAW, I can at best use synth presets across two or more DAW's since entire racks are specific to the respective DAW. Hence it would be cool to have all effects built right into the synth so that I am totally independent of DAW's. One click in the patch manager and the fully processed instrument is ready to be recorded...

In my opinion, you're much better off to go with something like MuTools MUX as your intermediary. This gives you the essential nature of Live's Instrument Rack that you can use across any DAW. Build up your sounds from your library of plugins and effects.

pdxindy · Post by **pdxindy** » Fri Apr 18, 2014 11:40 pm

ghettosynth wrote:
fluffy_little_something wrote:Since I just can't seem to standardize on a single DAW, I can at best use synth presets across two or more DAW's since entire racks are specific to the respective DAW. Hence it would be cool to have all effects built right into the synth so that I am totally independent of DAW's. One click in the patch manager and the fully processed instrument is ready to be recorded...
In my opinion, you're much better off to go with something like MuTools MUX as your intermediary. This gives you the essential nature of Live's Instrument Rack that you can use across any DAW. Build up your sounds from your library of plugins and effects.

No OSX version of Mux

Uncle E · Post by **Uncle E** » Sat Apr 19, 2014 12:44 am

V0RT3X wrote:http://www.fxpansion.com/index.php?page=62

+1

ghettosynth · Post by **ghettosynth** » Sat Apr 19, 2014 12:54 am

pdxindy wrote:
ghettosynth wrote:
fluffy_little_something wrote:Since I just can't seem to standardize on a single DAW, I can at best use synth presets across two or more DAW's since entire racks are specific to the respective DAW. Hence it would be cool to have all effects built right into the synth so that I am totally independent of DAW's. One click in the patch manager and the fully processed instrument is ready to be recorded...
In my opinion, you're much better off to go with something like MuTools MUX as your intermediary. This gives you the essential nature of Live's Instrument Rack that you can use across any DAW. Build up your sounds from your library of plugins and effects.
No OSX version of Mux

Which leaves bidule, right? Too bad the user "ui" tools are so bad. Still, I'd go that route before limiting myself to synths that have effects if I didn't want to recreate chains. I can't imagine such a restricted environment. I view this sort of thing as a DAW level construct. At any rate, another option is ImageLine's modular environment that's currently in beta. I haven't checked it out.

Complete synths