Hahaha, what the hell?!Teksonik wrote:.... I get what you're asking for but like I said it may not be possible due to the Unison Engine Architecture so here's a least a workaround to get some pretty awesome detune capability if you know what you're doing. No, it's not what you're asking for but I was just trying to help your dumb ass. A mistake I shall not make again......
You must have manners to teach them......Ghost Dog wrote: I'd like to teach you some manners in person, but lucky for you, I probably won't have that chance.
It can be done, I think, after looking at it again, it's just a bigger task. Instead of a fixed arp per layer I'd prefer multiple arps though, just like there's multiple LFOs and multiple MSEGs. The end result may be similar, but it fits the current architecture more and allows routing e.g. two layers to Arp #1 and two other layers to Arp #2, etc. - more flexibleTeksonik wrote:So we work with what we've got and hope for the future. For the record I'm not against your request in the least bit. I simply have the feeling it may not be possible just like when I asked for Per Layer Arps a long time ago....not possible due to the Unison Engine architecture. Ok fair enough. If it can't be done it can't be done.
Richard_Synapse wrote:It can be done, I think, after looking at it again, it's just a bigger task. Instead of a fixed arp per layer I'd prefer multiple arps though, just like there's multiple LFOs and multiple MSEGs. The end result may be similar, but it fits the current architecture more and allows routing e.g. two layers to Arp #1 and two other layers to Arp #2, etc. - more flexibleTeksonik wrote:So we work with what we've got and hope for the future. For the record I'm not against your request in the least bit. I simply have the feeling it may not be possible just like when I asked for Per Layer Arps a long time ago....not possible due to the Unison Engine architecture. Ok fair enough. If it can't be done it can't be done.
Richard
It's just you........Caine123 wrote:is it just me or is the 8 layer system too annoying?
I think it would have made more sense for them to not refer to the layers as 'Unison Voices', I think that's where some of the confusion comes in for some users just starting to get to know the synth, but once you realise it is actually just separate layers (that just happen to have a detune unison like control for them) then it all makes sense and is easy.Teksonik wrote:It's just you........Caine123 wrote:is it just me or is the 8 layer system too annoying?
The 8 Voice (Layer) System can be complex but once you learn how to use DUNE 2 properly it's anything but annoying. I find the 8 Layers quite enjoyable to use and they are what give DUNE 2 it's signature sound.
Annoying? Man it's one of its best strength actually, a very powerful way to create complex patches / sounds. It’s everything but annoying really! That's like saying the layer system in Photoshop is annoying, while it is its best and most mighty feature and way to create complex work.Caine123 wrote:is it just me or is the 8 layer system too annoying?
Caine123 wrote:is it just me or is the 8 layer system too annoying?
i prefer less windows/clicking like avenger.... dune 2 sounds awesome but the mod matrix etc. is so fiddlyDasheesh wrote:Caine123 wrote:is it just me or is the 8 layer system too annoying?
it’s for the preset designers. Truth is, in today’s digital daw environment there is ZERO reason to have a multitempral synth. It would be much more practical to have one layer done to a much higher degree of quality, but the EDM preset designers would be chit out of luck.
You know, in magic wonderland, devs could make their synths super high quality, you could play a thousand voices without a crackle or glitch, and everything would be in audio rate. On planet earth, you have to make those flagship VA's with hundreds of oscillators, and 10 layers with a compromise of sound quality and performance in mind. And EDM has absolutely nothing to do with it, no matter how much you insist on it.Dasheesh wrote:Caine123 wrote:is it just me or is the 8 layer system too annoying?
it’s for the preset designers. Truth is, in today’s digital daw environment there is ZERO reason to have a multitempral synth. It would be much more practical to have one layer done to a much higher degree of quality, but the EDM preset designers would be chit out of luck.
But that's absolute nonsense. The creator of the Virus synths, Christoph Kemper actually mentioned in an interview once that he made sure the modulation rate of the Virus is very high (i don't think it's audio rate, but, pretty high. I don't think audio rate would have been possible with the amount of processing power of the Virus' DSP anyway), and that synth has become a major synth for EDM. Of course they also want a lot of voices and unison for those genres. And the synths respectively will have to be compromised, if they should offer a lot of voices. And that's about everything that is to it. More voices=more compromise. No matter how much you demonize EDM here.Dasheesh wrote:@ CHK. I was sure you would be the first to respond to that bit of truth, but Caine beat you to it. There is a reason people love DUNE2. I am down to 4 instruments and a drum sequencer. One of those instruments is Dune2... because it's done to a high degree. It's the audio rate updating that makes it special. It's hard to find an instrument that lets you work the filter cutoff at audio rate. It's rare. You want to know why? EDM. It destroys everything it touches.
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