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Robmobius wrote:Have a gander this review... Goes into, just how big of an update it is.

http://www.modulatethis.com/2014/07/fir ... sizer.html

Price seems in line with most other companies.
With perhaps the exception of the upgrades to the Sample Editor, all of the items listed in the review are simply refinements that should have been released for ElectraX for free.
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Expansions too are pretty expensive, update includes like two added ones so for this alone might not be so bad?
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Robmobius wrote:Have a gander this review... Goes into, just how big of an update it is.

http://www.modulatethis.com/2014/07/fir ... sizer.html

Price seems in line with most other companies.
I don't think there is anything wrong with the price, especially if you are buying it for the first time.

I sent Tone2 an email suggesting that they put some screen shots on their web site, and Bastion sent me a zipped folder with their press kit for Electra2, which includes the screen shot in the linked article above.

I think the GUI looks very clean and easy to read. The synth looks like a very nice "all-rounder" workstation to me.
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billcarroll wrote:
Robmobius wrote:Have a gander this review... Goes into, just how big of an update it is.

http://www.modulatethis.com/2014/07/fir ... sizer.html

Price seems in line with most other companies.
With perhaps the exception of the upgrades to the Sample Editor, all of the items listed in the review are simply refinements that should have been released for ElectraX for free.
I don't agree...
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Robmobius wrote:
billcarroll wrote:
Robmobius wrote:Have a gander this review... Goes into, just how big of an update it is.

http://www.modulatethis.com/2014/07/fir ... sizer.html

Price seems in line with most other companies.
With perhaps the exception of the upgrades to the Sample Editor, all of the items listed in the review are simply refinements that should have been released for ElectraX for free.
I don't agree...
I dont know if Id say all but sample editing but alot of them could/should have been included for free:
- Enhanced sound quality
- New graphics
- Better user interface
- Enhanced performance
- More responsive GUI
- octave and semi are not longer changed after sample loading if no tuning info was found
- Wavetable->Resynthesis automatically sets pulsewidth to 0
- List selectors like waveforms can now be quick selected with the mousewheel in a more relieable way
- About page can be shown directly from help menu
- Lists with two rows have been replaced with more comfortable click selectors
- New installers for PC
- New standalone versions for PC
- Category is syncronized after saving patches
- On start the default category is ActionSequence with 0Welcome.fxp
- Higher precision positioning of elements
- Mousewheel support for arpeggiator slots (if host supports it)
- Less demo restrictions
- Lower CPU if Reverb or Flanger is used
- Lower CPU for GUI
- Better host compatibility
- More responsive GUI
- Better overall performance
- More robustness
-Renamed blah blah blah

These are all things most developers do for free, they dont ask the user to pay for bug fixes and usability enhancements. Hate to bring up u-he but them, camel, even native instruments added completely new filter types and features years after release. So entire new features not with standing to not give bug fixes and cpu enhancements to previous owners seems shady to me to be touting them as 'new features'.

Im not trying to be disparaging against tone2, they make good products and everything, but you cant not expect people to point these things out when the vast majority of other developers out there do these things for free

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ezelkow1 wrote:
Robmobius wrote:
billcarroll wrote:
Robmobius wrote:Have a gander this review... Goes into, just how big of an update it is.

http://www.modulatethis.com/2014/07/fir ... sizer.html

Price seems in line with most other companies.
With perhaps the exception of the upgrades to the Sample Editor, all of the items listed in the review are simply refinements that should have been released for ElectraX for free.
I don't agree...
I dont know if Id say all but sample editing but alot of them could/should have been included for free:

... snip ...
Yeah, I was talking specifically about the major first impressions listed in the review, not the entire new feature and upgrade list that follow.
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Robmobius wrote:
billcarroll wrote:
Robmobius wrote:Have a gander this review... Goes into, just how big of an update it is.

http://www.modulatethis.com/2014/07/fir ... sizer.html

Price seems in line with most other companies.
With perhaps the exception of the upgrades to the Sample Editor, all of the items listed in the review are simply refinements that should have been released for ElectraX for free.
I don't agree...
I'm cool with that :)

Just speaking my mind. I like Tone2, and I like their synths. I own Rayblaster and ElectraX, plus some expansions. I just don't feel I should have to pay for enhancements that should have been done to ElectraX.
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billcarroll wrote:
Robmobius wrote:
billcarroll wrote:
Robmobius wrote:Have a gander this review... Goes into, just how big of an update it is.

http://www.modulatethis.com/2014/07/fir ... sizer.html

Price seems in line with most other companies.
With perhaps the exception of the upgrades to the Sample Editor, all of the items listed in the review are simply refinements that should have been released for ElectraX for free.
I don't agree...
I'm cool with that :)

Just speaking my mind. I like Tone2, and I like their synths. I own Rayblaster and ElectraX, plus some expansions. I just don't feel I should have to pay for enhancements that should have been done to ElectraX.

That's fair enough mate. :)

I have lots of their stuff as too (I must admit, I'm a T2 and U-he fan boy). But for me, it's also part about investing in the company. So I'm happy to pay for the upgrade and personally, I do think it's significant (u-he are great for this as well).
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Don't you love how these are separate improvements?
- Better overall performance
- Enhanced performance
- Lower CPU for GUI
- Lower CPU if Reverb or Flanger is used
- More robustness

And how about these extremely distinct GUI improvements:
- New graphics
- Better user interface
- More responsive GUI
- Higher precision positioning of elements

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Echoes in the Attic wrote:Don't you love how these are separate improvements?
- Better overall performance
- Enhanced performance
- Lower CPU for GUI
- Lower CPU if Reverb or Flanger is used
- More robustness

And how about these extremely distinct GUI improvements:
- New graphics
- Better user interface
- More responsive GUI
- Higher precision positioning of elements
:lol: the list is sooo long! sure it's worth the insane upgrade price!
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valerian_777 wrote:
Echoes in the Attic wrote:Don't you love how these are separate improvements?
- Better overall performance
- Enhanced performance
- Lower CPU for GUI
- Lower CPU if Reverb or Flanger is used
- More robustness

And how about these extremely distinct GUI improvements:
- New graphics
- Better user interface
- More responsive GUI
- Higher precision positioning of elements
:lol: the list is sooo long! sure it's worth the insane upgrade price!
Um... Did you not see the original list I posted? This minuscule one is a bit of cherry picking. :roll:

But that said, nobody is forcing you to purchase it... Just give it a miss if you like.
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valerian_777 wrote:
Echoes in the Attic wrote:Don't you love how these are separate improvements?
- Better overall performance
- Enhanced performance
- Lower CPU for GUI
- Lower CPU if Reverb or Flanger is used
- More robustness

And how about these extremely distinct GUI improvements:
- New graphics
- Better user interface
- More responsive GUI
- Higher precision positioning of elements
:lol: the list is sooo long! sure it's worth the insane upgrade price!
yeah, typical tone2 marketing BS. This is just a copy/paste from their any upgrade.

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Had to be done! :)


'- 16 new effects
- 5 new filters
- 236 additional waveforms
- Enhanced sound quality
- New graphics
- Better user interface
- Enhanced performance
- A huge number of further new features and enhancements
- Electra2 is downward compatible with the previous version


New features - effects:

- "Smart Unison" creates the sound of several detuned stereo voices with very low CPU demands
- "Phaser FB" is a great sounding phaser with feedback
- "Phaser Stereo" is stereo phaser with a vocalic sound
- "Vibrato" detunes the sound with an LFO
- "Vibrato stereo" can be used instead of chorus if a tight timing is needed
- "Tremolo" modulates the amplitude with an LFO
- "Tremolo stereo" add stereo panning to the sound
- "Reverb Infinity" has an infinitely long reverb tail (great for Pads, FX and Ambient tracks)
- "Reverb Big" simulates a huge room with lots of diffusion
- "Reverb Glass" simulates a bright room which absorbs low frequencies
- "Reverb Band" simulates a room which absorbs low and high frequencies
- "Reverb Real" simulates a realistic room
- "Loudness" equalizes the non-linearities of the human ear, offers a more fat sound and raises the perceived volume.
- "Bass boost" equalizes the non-liearities of the human ear in the low frequency range, offers a more fat sound and raises the perceived volume.


New filters:

- "Vocals 2" is a vocal filter. Cutoff controls to vocal (AEIOU) and reso the formant frequency
- "vocal AM" is a vocalic sounding filter with amplitude modulation
- "LP AM" is a lowpass with amplitude modulation
- "BP Boobs" is a double bandpass filter. Reso controls the peak distance
- "M Shape" is a lowpass and a highpass in series. Reso controls the bandwidth


New synthesis method - Physical Modelling Synthesis:

- New resonator: Filter->"Phys String" simulates a plucked string. "Cutoff" controls tuning, "Reso" controls damping and "Analog" controls decay.
- New resonator: Filter->"Phys Flute" simulates a blown tube. "Cutoff" controls tuning, "Reso" controls damping and "Analog" controls decay.
- New oszillator: Noise->Pink is usefull for general purpose and plucked string simulation.
- New template: Init->"Create patch: PhysicalGuitar" initializes a Physical Modelling default patch.
- New template: Init->"Create patch: PhysicalFlute" initializes a Physical Modelling default patch.

Hint: To tune a resonator set "Cutoff" to 50% (strg+left click) and "filter key follow" to 100%.

New features - user interface:

- Added a comfortable patch browser with a keyboard which can be opened by clicking 'BROWS'
- Added mouseover support: Parameter values are displayed when mouse is hovered over them
- Midi learn support by right-click on a knob
- Edit multiple layers simuntaniously with copy->"Multilayer edit"
- Help->"Online video tutorial"
- Init->"Reset all" is a new button to reset all parameters t o default value
- Init->"Reset synth arpeggiator" is a new button to reset the arpeggiator
- File->"Save synth layer 1-4 to patch" saves a single layer
- Information and tags about the current patch is shown in 'info' tab of the patch browser
- Added support for a skinable user interface
- Sample loop/marker can be edited by clicking and moving the mouse on the wave display
- Sample window shows loop/marker start and end as dotted lines
- Aggressive focus which can be necessary for mousewheel support in some hosts can be forced by placing ElectraMouse.cfg in the plugin directory
- Hotkeys "F1","F2","F3","F4" to switch the synth layer (if the host supports it)
- Hotkey "ESC", a panic button, kills all currently played notes


New features - sample editing:

- Sample->Edit->"Autotune" automatically tunes the sample
- Sample->Edit->"Crossloop" automatically loops the sample with a crossblend
- Sample->Edit->"Export as wav" stores the sample content to a wav file
- Sample->Edit->"Reverse" makes the sample play backwards
- Sample->Edit->"Volume" maximizes the sample volume without clipping it
- Sample->Edit->"Volume +6dB" doubles the sample volume with clipping
- Sample->Edit->"Volume -6dB" lowers the sample volume
- Sample->Edit->"Fade in" fades the selected area in
- Sample->Edit->"Fade out" fades the selected area out
- Sample->Edit->"Silence" mutes the selected area
- Sample->Edit->"Trim" cuts everything but the selected area
- Sample->Edit->"Cut" removes the selected area
- Sample->Edit->"Tube saturate" applies soft tube saturation to the sample
- Sample->Edit->"Differenciate" makes the sample sound more bright
- Sample->Edit->"Square" doubles all frequencies
- Sample->Edit->"Sinoid shaper" is a soft waveshaper
- Sample->Edit->"Alias" makes the sample sound like an old sampler
- Sample->Edit->"Crush" is a digital vintage effect reduces the bitdepth of the sample
- Sample->Edit->"Selfsync" applies aoft selfsyncronisation to the sample
- Sample->Edit->"Remove DC" removes DC from the sample
- Sample->Edit->"Noisify" fills the envelope of the sample with noise
- Sample->Edit->"Loop all" resets the loop points
- Sample->Edit->"Loop to 100%" sets the loop points
- Sample->Edit->"Tune C5 44100Hz" sets sample tuning to a C5 sampled at 44.1Khz samplerate
- Sample->Edit->"Tune C5 96000Hz" sets sample tuning to a C5 sampled at 96Khz samplerate

Hint: Most sample edits are applied to the selected marker area. Click on the sample display and move the mouse to change the selection.


Enhancements - sound quality:

- Psychoacoustic processing has been redesigned. It offers a more transparent sound, a higher perceived volume and more dynamic expression.
- "Fat tune" has a much smarter microtuning algorithm. It delivers more harmonic and transparent chords.
- 6 point splines for ultrahigh precision sample playback
- Very high frequencies sound more transparent.
- "Reverb Hall" and "Reverb Cathedral" have a more open sound, less flutter and less detuning.
- "Delay" was extended with a subsonic filter which results in a more transparent mix
- "Multitap" sounds less out-of-tune
- "Flanger" has a triangle LFO now.
- "Analog" drift is more subtle and delivers a more harmonic sound.
- Resynthesis of wavetables gives better results
- Higher precision LFOs
- Replaced "Reverb Cathedral" with a better sounding one. The original one is still available as "Reverb Cathedral old".
- Replaced "Reverb Hall" with a better sounding one. The original one is still available as "Reverb Hall old".
- Replaced "Psychoacoust." with a better sounding algorithm called "Loudness". The old one is still available.
- Replaced "Analog sound" with a better sounding algorithm called "Bass boost". The old one is still available.
- "Quick import vocoder" results in a better patch


Enhancements - user interface:

- New skins
- Effects are more easy to use, since good default values are choosen automatically
- Init->"Reset synth layer" has been enhanced and gives better results
- When samples are loaded a dialog box "Autotune Yes/No?" appears
- High precision knob value editing by pressing shift + left mousebutton
- Popup menus and are more comfortable and faster to use
- Popup menus on PC waste less space and close automatically after 10 seconds
- More responsive GUI
- octave and semi are not longer changed after sample loading if no tuning info was found
- Wavetable->Resynthesis automatically sets pulsewidth to 0
- List selectors like waveforms can now be quick selected with the mousewheel in a more relieable way
- About page can be shown directly from help menu
- Lists with two rows have been replaced with more comfortable click selectors
- New installers for PC
- New standalone versions for PC
- Category is syncronized after saving patches
- On start the default category is ActionSequence with 0Welcome.fxp
- Higher precision positioning of elements
- Mousewheel support for arpeggiator slots (if host supports it)


Further new features and enhancements:

- New playmode "Polyphonic 1" which is suitable for punchy bass sounds
- 3 additional unipolar LFOs as matrix sources ("LFO1+,LFO2+,LFO3+")
- 17 additional sine LFOs as matrix sources ("Sine 1/64 Hz",...)
- Arpeggiator has a new autochord "Chord D" (0,+1octave,+1ocave+third,+1octave+fifth)
- Arpeggiator has a new autochord "Chord E" (0,+fifth,+1octave,+1octave+third,+1octave+fifth,+2octaves,+2octaves+third,+2octaves+fifth)
- Arpeggiator has a new autochord "Fifth A" (0,+fifth)
- Arpeggiator has a new autochord "Fifth B" (0,+fifth,+1octave)
- Arpeggiator has a new autochord "Fifth C" (0,+fifth,+1octave,+1octave+fifth)
- Arpeggiator has a new autochord "Third A" (0,+third)
- Arpeggiator has a new autochord "Third B" (0,+third,+1octave)
- Arpeggiator has a new autochord "Third C" (0,+1octave,+1octave+third)
- Arpeggiator has a new autochord "Third D" (0,+third,+1octave,+1octaves+third)
- Less demo restrictions
- Lower CPU if Reverb or Flanger is used
- Lower CPU for GUI
- Better host compatibility
- More responsive GUI
- Better overall performance
- More robustness


Changes:

- Renamed synthesis mode 'Virtual Analog' to 'Wavetable'
- Renamed synthesis mode 'Wavetable' to 'Custom Wave'
- Renamed Lfo mode 'Global' to 'Song'
- Renamed Lfo mode 'Voice' to 'Trigger'
- Renamed Step Lfo mode 'Free' to 'Song' *
- Renemaed Step Lfo mode 'Retrigger' to 'Trigger''
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Also, shouldn't they update the first ElectraX with all those quality improvements for free? Or ElectraX users are outlaws now and don't deserve quality improvements??

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You forgot:

- Removed Herobrine
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