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Postby keel; Thu Jan 18, 2018 9:06 pm Re: Official Serum thread!

Earlier I said that I don't like Serum, because it sounds metallic and harsh. Now that I have owned Serum 4 months (got the Splice deal), I still think that Serum has harsh, metallic sound, which makes it unpleased to ears. Not talking about the reverb, just the synth itself. Plus Serum use tons of CPU. I made simple 5 note chord melody, made a supersaw patch and CPU meter is running on 100%. To me, the sound vs CPU ratio is bad, very bad.

However, I still like Serum in some sounds and I have been using it on my tracks. I definately keep using, I just wish Steve would do something about that harsh and metallic sound, and the insane CPU usage. :phones:
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Postby HcDoom; Fri Jan 19, 2018 1:25 am Re: Official Serum thread!

Yes, Serum is overrated. Sounds so thin, harsh and metallic...totally unuseable...but looks like people love that sound otherwise it wouldnt be so popular. Just check youtube...all kids use only cracked versions of Serum and Sylenth in cracked FL! You can clearly see 95% of time they dont know what they do and why they do it. And those are the people who write on forums and praise Serum to high heavens.
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Postby DJ Warmonger; Fri Jan 19, 2018 1:32 am Re: Official Serum thread!

HcDoom wrote:Yes, Serum is overrated. Sounds so thin, harsh and metallic...totally unuseable...but looks like people love that sound otherwise it wouldnt be so popular. Just check youtube...all kids use only cracked versions of Serum and Sylenth in cracked FL! You can clearly see 95% of time they dont know what they do and why they do it. And those are the people who write on forums and praise Serum to high heavens.

Just because you don't like it doesn't mean that 95% of world are dumb kids and thieves :smack:
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Postby recursive one; Fri Jan 19, 2018 1:48 am Re: Official Serum thread!

If you need big supersaws or smooth analog leads or some juicy filter sweeps, Serum is not the best option. Probably doable but with much more efforts than with other synths dedicated to these tasks. But I often need metallic/mechanical/unnatural tones in my music and I think Serum does it perfectly.
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V0RT3X
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Postby V0RT3X; Fri Jan 19, 2018 1:50 am Re: Official Serum thread!

Serum is quite capable of awesome “digital” sounds. If you need “analog” sounds get DIVA or Repro-1, etc
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Synthman2000
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Postby Synthman2000; Fri Jan 19, 2018 1:52 am Re: Official Serum thread!

Serum gets a lot of use here. Crystal clear sounds when needed, filters could be a bit dirtier/gritty at times or at least have a few dirtier options, even with the drive the filter sometimes sounds a bit polite. Internal effects are usable which is saying something as often many synths are very poor in the built-in effects dept.
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Postby V0RT3X; Fri Jan 19, 2018 2:00 am Re: Official Serum thread!

HcDoom wrote:Yes, Serum is overrated. Sounds so thin, harsh and metallic...totally unuseable...but looks like people love that sound otherwise it wouldnt be so popular. Just check youtube...all kids use only cracked versions of Serum and Sylenth in cracked FL! You can clearly see 95% of time they dont know what they do and why they do it. And those are the people who write on forums and praise Serum to high heavens.


Totally unuseable? Maybe for you, but that’s just your crazy opinion.

Lot’s of people are finding a use for this synth.
kokotte
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Postby kokotte; Fri Jan 19, 2018 2:46 am Re: Official Serum thread!

keel wrote:Earlier I said that I don't like Serum, because it sounds metallic and harsh. Now that I have owned Serum 4 months (got the Splice deal), I still think that Serum has harsh, metallic sound, which makes it unpleased to ears. Not talking about the reverb, just the synth itself. Plus Serum use tons of CPU. I made simple 5 note chord melody, made a supersaw patch and CPU meter is running on 100%. To me, the sound vs CPU ratio is bad, very bad.

However, I still like Serum in some sounds and I have been using it on my tracks. I definately keep using, I just wish Steve would do something about that harsh and metallic sound, and the insane CPU usage. :phones:


It's strange, a supersaw, 7 voices, with a filter, 5 notes chord, my cpu meter is 5%.
if i play a sine a tri or a saw, no metallic sound here, perhaps, it's the presets you selected who have this harsh things in the sound, sometimes, it's good to have some harsh in a mix.
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Postby foosnark; Fri Jan 19, 2018 4:50 am Re: Official Serum thread!

The thing with Serum CPU use is, unison is literally running more oscillators. Turn on OSC 1 and 2 and set unison to 16 on both and you're running 32 oscillators. Five notes with that setting is running 512 oscillators. Rein it in a little :P

Supersaw is usually done with a single oscillator (or two, for stereo) with a more complex wave, not with unison. You can create a supersaw wavetable easily enough in Serum -- set crazy unison, and pick "Resample to A+B (Stereo)" under the menu. Kill the unison, make sure A+B are panned and modulate the table positions (preferably with separate LFOs) and you're good. I think it sounds better than the unprocessed unison in some ways :hihi:
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Postby wagtunes; Fri Jan 19, 2018 5:00 am Re: Official Serum thread!

HcDoom wrote:Yes, Serum is overrated. Sounds so thin, harsh and metallic...totally unuseable...but looks like people love that sound otherwise it wouldnt be so popular. Just check youtube...all kids use only cracked versions of Serum and Sylenth in cracked FL! You can clearly see 95% of time they dont know what they do and why they do it. And those are the people who write on forums and praise Serum to high heavens.


Yeah, Serum is so crappy that it's my best selling library. Why would kids who use cracked versions of a synth spend any money on a library?

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Russell Grand
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Postby Russell Grand; Fri Jan 19, 2018 5:10 am Re: Official Serum thread!

HcDoom wrote:Yes, Serum is overrated. Sounds so thin, harsh and metallic...totally unuseable...but looks like people love that sound otherwise it wouldnt be so popular. Just check youtube...all kids use only cracked versions of Serum and Sylenth in cracked FL! You can clearly see 95% of time they dont know what they do and why they do it. And those are the people who write on forums and praise Serum to high heavens.


Ummm...no. :?
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Postby egbert101; Fri Jan 19, 2018 6:22 am Re: Official Serum thread!

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wagtunes
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Postby wagtunes; Fri Jan 19, 2018 6:25 am Re: Official Serum thread!

egbert101 wrote:Workman blaming their tools. :party:


That's usually the way it is. At least when I do something that sucks, I don't blame the synth. I put the blame squarely where it belongs.
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Postby surreal; Fri Jan 19, 2018 7:45 am Re: Official Serum thread!

recursive one wrote:If you need big supersaws or smooth analog leads or some juicy filter sweeps, Serum is not the best option. Probably doable but with much more efforts than with other synths dedicated to these tasks. But I often need metallic/mechanical/unnatural tones in my music and I think Serum does it perfectly.

What in your opinion is the best Synth for wide juicy supersaws?
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Postby plexuss; Fri Jan 19, 2018 11:12 am Re: Official Serum thread!

Weird. I post a 10 min track that uses only Serum (except for the bass) and frankly uses it very well and this spawns a thread about how bad Serum is.

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