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- 1649 posts since 28 Dec, 2007
Here are some tests for the KVRians to get their teeth into:
Nice and simple - can you tell which Synth is Diva and which is the OB8?
Synth A and B are the same in both videos!
Please join in the fun and take a guess at which you think Diva is - Synth A or B?
I am also launching a preset pack based on the work done over the last year comparing and transfering sounds from my OB8. Included as well is 3 skin variations on the classic OB theme - giving a real OB style experience in the box . There is a separate thread to discuss the pack here.
Song Test Wav
A/B Test wav
Thanks and best wishes
- 14358 posts since 10 Apr, 2010, from Germany
But seriously, i found the discussion interesting too until it mutated into a discussion about music in general. I fiddled a bit with the Diva and Monark demo yesterday, and while i was first a bit surprised about the amount of filter distortion on Monark, i realized that it isn't as heavy as i first thought it was, and i was amazed how nice, detailed, punchy, snappy, and meaty Monark is. To be totally honest, i found that Diva didn't really stand up to it. Compared with Monark, i found it was a bit on the softsynthie side, i also found it to be a bit metallic in tone, dunno why that is. Don't want to bash, it's surely a good synth, but as a Minimoog emulation, i'd really prefer Monark. It's just nice.
- 10147 posts since 8 Oct, 2014
Video 2, I liked the pad on test 8 a little better for B than A. It had a little richer bottom. So I will say that for video 2, B is the OB and A is Diva.
But honestly, there is so little difference it just reaffirms my feelings that there just isn't a whole lotta difference between today's soft synths (the really good ones) and the $3,000 monsters from 30 plus years ago.
But that's just me and that's all I'm saying on the subject in this thread because I've more than had my fill of this discussion from the last knock down drag out.
Please announce the winner in the title of the thread when you've finally decided to reveal which is which. I am curious.
- 406 posts since 27 Feb, 2014, from France
To me these test are flawded cause these involve someone programing..raw oscillators, filter sweeps , audio rate modulations and measurments say more, but this test show these don't sound the same there is some clear differences .
about diva vs analog , i think there is some difference, specially in 3d/ depth and audiorate modulation, but i do' t have any of the hardware diva emulate so can't compare..and like i stated i m more a fan of some modern analog stuff these day, more versatile with big bandwitch for details.
tal 101 can sound great too, it would be intresting to compare to a 101.
- 2763 posts since 25 Jan, 2009, from Forgotten Realms
A is OB8, B is Diva.
But I frankly think that the sound in form of an end product is the least factor for analog madness. It is probably more about working with a hardware synth you "know" is- and looks like an analog and therefore MUST radiate (imaginary) lightbeams of analog magic.
Do not set expectations too high though; when it comes to actually testing, the analog purists tend to leave the scene like sailors from a spouse invaded whorehouse
Very nice production BTW. Sounds pro all over
- 1137 posts since 30 Mar, 2011
wagtunes wrote:Please announce the winner in the title of the thread when you've finally decided to reveal which is which. I am curious.
In a way completely useless because with a simple A/B test you could be right just be guessing.
You have to do proper ABX testing for that, but what for?
And the 'golden ear' people still will find excuses if they cannot proper distinguish...but those people never do ABX tests (and why not?)
- 847 posts since 11 Apr, 2002
In regards to the sounds present in the AB (I listened to about the first 3), both sound okay to me, except I seem to prefer A. However, as I mentioned in the other thread, I'm looking for a more extreme sounds which can be used to enrich the song texture. The examples were also brought up in the other thread. I believe that it is this area, which is by far still not covered by softsynths (AB counterexamples are welcome )
Just in case you didn't notice the respective messages in the other thread. One example (audio-rate PWM):
The other one (sorry, I don't have it separately from the song) is the whistling sound going over the verse starting at 1:35 and the "birds choir" sound (it's actually exactly the same sound) starting at 3:05 (abusing of the filter's artifacts):
Edit: the examples are from Reaktor and Monark, not from analog gear, they are just to illustrate the types of sound I'm looking for.
Edit2: as for the AB, didn't realize that the first video is also an AB (didn't even open it), my comments refer to the second video.
- 10452 posts since 5 Jun, 2012, from Portugal
But it is so close that the difference is not worth thousands of dollars, even if I had to buy a powerful computer and soundcard
Would have been nice to include Arturia's SEM in the Oberheim comparison.