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Diva vs Analogue - a real world test

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masterhiggins
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Postby masterhiggins; Fri Aug 21, 2015 6:15 am Re: Diva vs Analogue - a real world test

Post some more examples, but mix a and b up. I wonder if some of the diehard analogue hardware enthusiasts will make an appearance in this thread after that. :hihi:
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Postby 2ZrgE; Fri Aug 21, 2015 6:16 am Re: Diva vs Analogue - a real world test

IncarnateX wrote:
2ZrgE wrote:In a way completely useless because with a simple A/B test you could be right just be guessing.


Sure with only two choices a hit could be pure chance. However, a miss by an analog preacher man could still be embarrasing :hihi:


Trust me, they'll find their excuses. :D
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Postby GHOST19; Fri Aug 21, 2015 6:19 am Re: Diva vs Analogue - a real world test

Difficult to say. I reckon it's a trap and Diva is A (more crisp and bright) in the first video and B in the second (A envelopes sound more analogue to me).
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Postby fischkopf; Fri Aug 21, 2015 6:29 am Re: Diva vs Analogue - a real world test

Synth A sounds much warmer to my ears, I think it's the hardware synth.
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Postby Elektronisch; Fri Aug 21, 2015 6:49 am Re: Diva vs Analogue - a real world test

A is Oberheim
B is Diva

A sounds a bit more sturdy and robust, wich is a characteristics that hardware (mostly analog) exhibits. B feels a bit washed out comparing to A (this is characteristic that most plugin synth exhibits).
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Postby Synthetic Wav; Fri Aug 21, 2015 6:55 am Re: Diva vs Analogue - a real world test

i have diva but i m not familiar enought to know if the envelop can be clicky like in synth B ?
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thecontrolcentre
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Postby thecontrolcentre; Fri Aug 21, 2015 6:55 am Re: Diva vs Analogue - a real world test

Ooooh look .... another pointless digital vs analog "which sounds better" thread.
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zerocrossing
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Postby zerocrossing; Fri Aug 21, 2015 7:26 am Re: Diva vs Analogue - a real world test

chk071 wrote:The Beatles. 'nuff said. :hihi:
</thread>

:lol:

But I'm going to say the real synth is A, Diva is B.

One thing that confused me a bit is that I thought in some of the examples the envelopes in B made me think B was the hardware. Envelopes are usually a "tell" for me in these tests, but I thought the "body" of B was mushy and less distinct. But what the hell, I'll go with my initial answer.

BUT. I will also say that typical bread and butter sounds like this are in the overlap of what software and hardware both do well. Tests like this are a bit self selecting. It would be pretty easy to find the places where software failed and do the same test and we'd all know the answer. It's why I maintain that a hybrid approach is the way to go. Softsynths for what they do fine and for when you need a little extra oomph, whip out the analog.
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Ingonator
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Postby Ingonator; Fri Aug 21, 2015 7:26 am Re: Diva vs Analogue - a real world test

It's not easy indeed while i own Diva myself and have done some "Oberheimish" sounds with it too (and others like e.g. Jupiter 8 etc.). Also got a real analog Pulse 2 here (my ownly remaining real nalog) and a few Oberheim emulations (e.g. the free OBXD and Arturia Oberheim SEM V).

Anyway my guess is that Synth A is a real OB8 and B is Diva whie i am not totally sure.



At the end Diva seems to be a fantastic emulation of analog synths and it's more or less modular approach with mixing modules of different synth is awesome IMO and makes it impossible to replace it by another softsynth.
I hope i could finally get a new PC soon to replace the current one so i could use DIVA at full quality without being limited to a few tracks.


PS:
DIVA doe not seem to include any modules that directly emulate an OB8 and the "Uhbie" filter seems to be closer to a SEM design. This means taht if you are able to match teh sounds of a OB8 it could be a cmbination of both luck and good sound design skills. :)
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Postby wagtunes; Fri Aug 21, 2015 7:29 am Re: Diva vs Analogue - a real world test

zerocrossing wrote:
chk071 wrote:The Beatles. 'nuff said. :hihi:
</thread>

:lol:

But I'm going to say the real synth is A, Diva is B.

One thing that confused me a bit is that I thought in some of the examples the envelopes in B made me think B was the hardware. Envelopes are usually a "tell" for me in these tests, but I thought the "body" of B was mushy and less distinct. But what the hell, I'll go with my initial answer.

BUT. I will also say that typical bread and butter sounds like this are in the overlap of what software and hardware both do well. Tests like this are a bit self selecting. It would be pretty easy to find the places where software failed and do the same test and we'd all know the answer. It's why I maintain that a hybrid approach is the way to go. Softsynths for what they do fine and for when you need a little extra oomph, whip out the analog.


Well then let me ask. What are the kinds of sounds that soft synths don't do well? Can you post some examples? And then, after that's done, maybe the OP can program those two sounds (assuming he has the hardware synth that made it) and then we can really tell.
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Postby SWAN808; Fri Aug 21, 2015 7:35 am Re: Diva vs Analogue - a real world test

zerocrossing wrote:It would be pretty easy to find the places where software failed and do the same test and we'd all know the answer.


With Diva - what are these places it fails? Ive tested I think most extremes I can with an OB8 and Source....there are Unison examples here (which often fail in other softsynths) and full/very high resonance...
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Postby fluffy_little_something; Fri Aug 21, 2015 7:38 am Re: Diva vs Analogue - a real world test

So, when will we know the answer? 8)

Seems that so far most people think A is the hardware...
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Postby SWAN808; Fri Aug 21, 2015 7:43 am Re: Diva vs Analogue - a real world test

if its ok Id like to keep it open at least for a few days to let people see it...but not past the point it becomes boring and everyone forgets...
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Postby Synthetic Wav; Fri Aug 21, 2015 8:28 am Re: Diva vs Analogue - a real world test

my problems with these tests is that you try to make both sound the same..a test where you try to show where they behave differelenty would more intresting and usefull to get better emulation, these test are fun but don't mean much . a freeware compressor could sound really close to a 3000 $$ one too if you really wanna match the sound insteed of demonstrating the difference.
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Postby Funkybot's Evil Twin; Fri Aug 21, 2015 8:48 am Re: Diva vs Analogue - a real world test

I was hearing a little bit more top end and reverb in A versus B. If I had to guess: A is DIVA, B is hardware. Not sure I care though. So biggest difference: A felt consistently brighter in the first video than B, which I preferred. They're certainly close enough.
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