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Warehouseparty
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114 posts since 10 Dec, 2016, from Germany
STi_NJ wrote:Sure, someone can say 8-bit isn't all the rage right now, but it doesn't mean that there aren't paying customers out there who do make it. There clearly are.
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All that being said, I personally find the packs to be fairly expensive for me, but it just means I'll have to seriously consider which one's I'll buy.


Amen!

sircuit wrote:think again or jump 3-ish pages back. if you can't use the n-bits, you basically lack creativity. The Gods have spoken.


To keep "gods spoken word" complete I still refer to a piano. Costs easily up to a small car. The sound hast been there for 100 years +. The basic sound won't change. Still it sells. Because creativity let's you use it and still find combinations that you love (and at least you don't know).

Sidefact: 8 bit is the only expansion I own right now. There has not been one I wanted apart from this one. So may be there are customers that just don't care for tech house (which I thought to be dead until this thread for years). Obviously everybody of us is living in his own small universe! :ud:
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STi_NJ
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39 posts since 8 Nov, 2007
sircuit wrote:think again or jump 3-ish pages back. if you can't use the n-bits, you basically lack creativity. The Gods have spoken.

To keep "gods spoken word" complete I still refer to a piano. Costs easily up to a small car. The sound hast been there for 100 years +. The basic sound won't change. Still it sells. Because creativity let's you use it and still find combinations that you love (and at least you don't know).

Sidefact: 8 bit is the only expansion I own right now. There has not been one I wanted apart from this one. So may be there are customers that just don't care for tech house (which I thought to be dead until this thread for years). Obviously everybody of us is living in his own small universe! :ud:


Spot on with your piano point. I suppose electronic artists are always looking for that new sound since it's based on technology, but personally, I've always thought if something sounds good, use it. Who cares if it's a sound similar to what someone used in 1995.
sircuit
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461 posts since 15 Jul, 2016
Warehouseparty wrote:To keep "gods spoken word" complete I still refer to a piano. Costs easily up to a small car. The sound hast been there for 100 years +. The basic sound won't change. Still it sells.


I'm sure all piano purchasers buy them because they only want to prove that they can be creative with a centuries-old sound, not because they really need the piece...
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kevvvvv
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2179 posts since 23 Oct, 2000, from skelmersdale, west lancs, uk
Wavegem
It makes you think they created this synth just to sell you presets

Yes, that's how it's done these days. Modern marketing cross-sell model, fairly standard these days.

Noiseboyuk

Many thanks for the presets :)
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PapaG
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20 posts since 5 Feb, 2017
kevvvvv wrote:Wavegem
It makes you think they created this synth just to sell you presets

Yes, that's how it's done these days. Modern marketing cross-sell model, fairly standard these days.

Noiseboyuk

Many thanks for the presets :)



Of course. But at these prices (especially compared to cost of the actual synth) it does feel like the 'your first hit is free' pusher analogy is a little too close to the truth.

And yes, sure, if you're not addicted of course you can always walk away. But I suspect their business model is wholly dependant upon something more akin to my first paragraph.
generaldiomedes
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502 posts since 14 Apr, 2017, from Canada
These preset packs are a cut above imho because they always contain additional waveforms, multisamples and Wavetable useable in the synth unlike say a typical Spire pack.

So I will get much more out of it than just some presets. Can’t wait for the cinematic/Hollywood one ..
hollyWorse
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65 posts since 23 May, 2017
Didn't get an answer yet: Is there a crossgrade option to Phalanx?
sircuit
KVRist
 
461 posts since 15 Jul, 2016
hollyWorse wrote:Didn't get an answer yet: Is there a crossgrade option to Phalanx?


No.
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Razzia
KVRist
 
112 posts since 21 May, 2016
generaldiomedes wrote:These preset packs are a cut above imho because they always contain additional waveforms, multisamples and Wavetable useable in the synth unlike say a typical Spire pack.

So I will get much more out of it than just some presets. Can’t wait for the cinematic/Hollywood one ..

Yeah. I really wish I could just buy the wavetables and multisamples for like $30. I'm not paying $70 for presets. This synth already does everything; I don't need someone to program it for me. But I'd really love to get my hands on the samples in the granular pack, for instance.
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Wavegem
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115 posts since 19 Dec, 2016
It’s really not about the usability of the patches it’s more about price in relationship to what else is on the market. For instance Vintage Vault 2 from UVI is 600 bucks for EVERYTHING. That is software and samples, so many samples it makes your brain hurt. I gaurantee VPS avenger will be eventually be many thousands of dollars
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kevvvvv
vvvvvvv
 
2179 posts since 23 Oct, 2000, from skelmersdale, west lancs, uk
I'm just like everybody else whining about the price of Avenger presets.

But they are quality. Everything is usable.

It's like there's an Armin van Buuren gig in every pack :D .

When I used Spire a lot I was buying "affordable" presets, only to find a lot of them uninteresting, produced by a designer who lacked finesse, or poorly, lazily programmed. Combined with Spire's dog of a browser, my Avenger experience is much better, clearer, and more fun.

There's a lot of value in Avenger's preset packages, as Manuel keeps telling us, and we're all locked into his high quality/high price game.

But I also appreciate he's an artist who's gone into the new profession of sound design, instead of Tin Pan Alley, or wherever good prolific songwriters went before the internet.
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tapiodmitriyevich
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281 posts since 15 Jan, 2017, from 127.0.0.1
kevvvvv wrote:It's like there's an Armin van Buuren gig in every pack :D .

That's a problem. That EDM image. Avenger can be so much more. Look, U-HE synths. They don't puke "EDM EDM EDM" at you.
100tifiko
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101 posts since 28 Jun, 2017
Help please I am trying to log in into the VMAN I enter my email address and it says please enter a valid email address
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msvs
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1150 posts since 18 Apr, 2011
btw all our older VPS plugins have been updated at once. You can find the installers at vengeance-sound / plugins / downloads
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