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Modern soft synths

Cinebient
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Postby Cinebient; Sun Mar 19, 2017 5:20 am Re: Modern soft synths

I also find combining different synths and extern FX a lot faster than doing something in Reaktor.
And even Reaktor can´t do everything.
There is a reason because there are so many tools out there with different workflows, synth engines, GUI´s...whatever.
Some things are worth it to explore but some "ready" synths do it just better and faster for me.
I still find the whole Reaktor thing amazing but i also wished they would go ahead and make Reaktor 7 and cut off all the old stuff. It´s just too much to get lost for me too.
But yeah, now i will stop it here......really this time :D ....at least for this thread.
I wish everyone a nice Sunday! :hug:
ghettosynth
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Postby ghettosynth; Sun Mar 19, 2017 5:31 am Re: Modern soft synths

Cinebient wrote:I also find combining different synths and extern FX a lot faster than doing something in Reaktor.


You can't do what I just did by combining external effects. That was the point. Obviously, everyone here uses separate effects and combines synths. When you do that, you are limited to processing the entire synth output, you cannot integrate a filter into the voice architecture, for example.
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Postby Cinebient; Sun Mar 19, 2017 5:45 am Re: Modern soft synths

ghettosynth wrote:
Cinebient wrote:I also find combining different synths and extern FX a lot faster than doing something in Reaktor.


You can't do what I just did by combining external effects. That was the point. Obviously, everyone here uses separate effects and combines synths. When you do that, you are limited to processing the entire synth output, you cannot integrate a filter into the voice architecture, for example.


Yes i can. If i use a synth/FX/combination per voice :D
Of course i know what you mean and you are right. Really!
But you can´t tell me that there are no tools which can do things you never could create (at least in less than a few months/years) with Reaktor.
Sorry, you still want to sell Reaktor. Maybe i just misunderstand you (have still trouble with english sometimes) just.
It´s a fact that you can´t recreate a Reaktor synth with a few combination of other tools but vice versa too.
However, you won! I give up. It´s useless like discussing about religion or politics.
AnX
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Postby AnX; Sun Mar 19, 2017 5:58 am Re: Modern soft synths

Most modern synths are the same as old synths
ghettosynth
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Postby ghettosynth; Sun Mar 19, 2017 6:01 am Re: Modern soft synths

AnX wrote:Most modern synths are the same as old synths


Yes, exactly! I think the futuristic interface must clean out the dirty bits in the filter algorithms. The slick translucent surfaces just let that vintage sheen slide away.
xoxos
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Postby xoxos; Sun Mar 19, 2017 8:20 am Re: Modern soft synths

wagtunes wrote:xoxos thinks everybody should be able to dive into C++ and build their own synth from scratch. He can't conceive that for some people this is beyond difficult. I don't think you're quite at that point of arrogance yet but you have a twinge of it.


this thread is more awesome than draining a two pound abscess, smells more too.

i'd like to thank the community for being able to interpret faith in the capability of others as arrogance :party: what a total bastard i am for that. thanks for makins sure everybody knows, i'm an intolerable prick for believing the public can be capable when wagtunes exists.
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Postby wagtunes; Sun Mar 19, 2017 8:24 am Re: Modern soft synths

xoxos wrote:
wagtunes wrote:xoxos thinks everybody should be able to dive into C++ and build their own synth from scratch. He can't conceive that for some people this is beyond difficult. I don't think you're quite at that point of arrogance yet but you have a twinge of it.


this thread is more awesome than draining a two pound abscess, smells more too.

i'd like to thank the community for being able to interpret faith in the capability of others as arrogance :party: what a total bastard i am for that. thanks for makins sure everybody knows, i'm an intolerable prick for believing the public can be capable when wagtunes exists.


My friend, I just call it like I see it. You keep telling me how easy it is for me to build a synth even though I've flat out told you that I can't even conceive of beginning such a project. And then you start posting C++ code showing me how easy it is.

If that isn't arrogance, I don't know what is.
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Hink
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Postby Hink; Sun Mar 19, 2017 8:36 am Re: Modern soft synths

ftr hovering over the lock button on this one too...let's get back on track ;)
xoxos
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Postby xoxos; Sun Mar 19, 2017 8:55 am Re: Modern soft synths

wagtunes wrote:If that isn't arrogance, I don't know what is.

you call it whatever you want as long as you don't have to put up with nasty old xoxos insisting that it's easy to write code :hug:

amazing that i write that, and snap, you're like, right online, ready to respond!

what a wealth we have in vernacular discourse in this culture.

oh by the way writing code is easy as f**k.
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wagtunes
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Postby wagtunes; Sun Mar 19, 2017 9:08 am Re: Modern soft synths

xoxos wrote:
wagtunes wrote:If that isn't arrogance, I don't know what is.

you call it whatever you want as long as you don't have to put up with nasty old xoxos insisting that it's easy to write code :hug:

amazing that i write that, and snap, you're like, right online, ready to respond!

what a wealth we have in vernacular discourse in this culture.

oh by the way writing code is easy as f**k.


Let me ask you a question. And I mean this sincerely. Is there anything in this world that you think is difficult to learn and do outside of things that take physical strength? I'm talking things that involve just using your mind?

Now, keeping that answer to yourself just for a moment, do you think that every person in the world has the same mental capacity for learning? And yes, I am including people who have been diagnosed as mentally impaired.

You don't have to answer these questions if you don't want to. But I would like it if you did.
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zerocrossing
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Postby zerocrossing; Sun Mar 19, 2017 9:21 am Re: Modern soft synths

AnX wrote:Most modern synths are the same as old synths


It's what people want... though, to be fair, even a synth like ReRro-1 goes far beyond the original (or many hardware synths I know of) in many ways as to become something new. Fairly simple synth with the polymod stuff and amazing effects go a long way toward making modern sounds.

Yesterday I was making amazing sounds on my Tetras. The core sound was just a basic sawtooth pad, but running it through Tantra, controlled by a HotHand USB, and... magic. As a guitar player, I'm really used to getting interesting sounds that way. Simple raw material processed with complex effects. But, the other way works as well... just a different way of going about it.

I've been playing with Bazille lately. I never bought it... not sure why. I just had other things on my plate when it was released and I think I was maybe focused on hardware. Doesn't matter. It's amazing. The sounds I'm getting out of it are very old school hybrid type sounds, like you'd expect to be coming from a PPG or VS. Of course, it can do so much more... but that's what I go for. I do tend to find myself leaning toward taking more simple synth sounds but arranging them and processing them to become unique more of the time. When I'm interested in something, "new," I usually reach for Zebra or Omnisphere, just because I know them really well and I can get around in them very quickly.
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wagtunes
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Postby wagtunes; Sun Mar 19, 2017 9:25 am Re: Modern soft synths

Honestly, I'm not even sure what the term "modern soft synths" means.

Is it simply a synth that isn't 10 years old like Sylenth1? The Legend just came out but as it's an emulation of a 40 year old synth, does that make it not modern?

I mean you can take any synth out there and break it down into the same core elements as any other synth. So in that respect, what exactly is different?

Seriously, this whole discussion gives me a headache.
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Postby Terrafractyl; Sun Mar 19, 2017 1:31 pm Re: Modern soft synths

I think in 90% of the people that buy synthesizers, 'Modern' means shiny looking. (or whatever GUI style is currently cool)

For hipsters it means the best / newest / shiniest emulation of synths from back when they were still cool(read very expensive).

For synth nerds, it means ZDF filters, Audio rate modulation and band limited oscillators.

For Ghettosynth obviously it means Reaktor.

Pretty sure we are never going to agree on a term like this. Sure we all know something like 'best sounding' is hugely objective, but really a term like 'Modern' is even more vague and objective.

Its like 'futuristic'. Its meaning will constantly change to reflect our own perceptions.
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wagtunes
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Postby wagtunes; Sun Mar 19, 2017 2:06 pm Re: Modern soft synths

Terrafractyl wrote:I think in 90% of the people that buy synthesizers, 'Modern' means shiny looking. (or whatever GUI style is currently cool)

For hipsters it means the best / newest / shiniest emulation of synths from back when they were still cool(read very expensive).

For synth nerds, it means ZDF filters, Audio rate modulation and band limited oscillators.

For Ghettosynth obviously it means Reaktor.

Pretty sure we are never going to agree on a term like this. Sure we all know something like 'best sounding' is hugely objective, but really a term like 'Modern' is even more vague and objective.

Its like 'futuristic'. Its meaning will constantly change to reflect our own perceptions.


I think this pretty much nails it.
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Postby wagtunes; Sun Mar 19, 2017 2:50 pm Re: Modern soft synths

@Ghetto

I was going to PM you privately to keep this out of the thread but that option doesn't seem to be available.

I just wanted you to know that I'm not a totally hopeless case. I cranked open the 287 page Reaktor 6 Primary Documentation and, starting from the very beginning, have made some progress. I can build simple ensembles. The complex stuff is still beyond me but at least now I know where to go for assistance. Eventually, I'll acquire enough knowledge to actually build something worth building. Today I built a simple synth with delay. It's a start.

Still don't love the UI but at least I can find my way around. And building with Core, leaving out blocks, this stuff (so far anyway) doesn't take up much CPU at all and doesn't sound all that bad using the "better" filters.

These will never be anything to look at because I'm using the stock images that get attached to the controls (they really look awful) but if it's functional I guess that's all that matters.

Anyway, just wanted you to know that all hope is not lost on me.

About to attempt to build a sequencer.
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