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JoeCat
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1034 posts since 19 May, 2011, from North Carolina

Postby JoeCat; Thu Apr 20, 2017 3:59 pm Re: Minimoog Softsynth Shootout: Diva MiniV3 Monark Legend Minimonsta vs Model D

Funkybot's Evil Twin wrote:
fluffy_little_something wrote:The photo where that Viktor guy is setting up Repro 5 explains where the -in my view- mediocre U-he user interfaces come from :hihi: It is tiny, but young Viktor with his 20/20 vision obviously can read everything, while more mature people like me have to use much larger GUI sizes covering most of our entire monitors just in order to be able to read those poor labels etc.


So it's too small when it's small, but it's big when it's big? Got it.


As a "mature" adult (in age, mentally I'm like 12 :hyper: ), I get what fluffy's saying. I like u-He's UI aesthetic but with a lot of Skeuomorphic UIs, sometimes the choice of font, contrast, etc. mean you need to increase to a huge size just to read the text, even when there aren't a ton of controls on the screen. I have the same problem with a lot of Xils products.

NI Rounds, for example, is easier to read at a similar size.

u-He's' synths are skinnable, though, so they'll be alternate UIs

And in an awesome bit of irony: There's a nice skin for repro-1 that keeps the aesthetic but improves the contrast and makes it more readable, created by funkybot (his evil twin, to be exact). I'm using it as we speak :)

https://www.u-he.com/PatchLib/skins.html
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Postby Funkybot's Evil Twin; Thu Apr 20, 2017 7:38 pm Re: Minimoog Softsynth Shootout: Diva MiniV3 Monark Legend Minimonsta vs Model D

Hey man, I just didn't like the brown hue of the original. ;-)
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Postby JoeCat; Thu Apr 20, 2017 7:49 pm Re: Minimoog Softsynth Shootout: Diva MiniV3 Monark Legend Minimonsta vs Model D

Funkybot's Evil Twin wrote:Hey man, I just didn't like the brown hue of the original. ;-)


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Postby pdxindy; Thu Apr 20, 2017 8:38 pm Re: Minimoog Softsynth Shootout: Diva MiniV3 Monark Legend Minimonsta vs Model D

JoeCat wrote:
As a "mature" adult (in age, mentally I'm like 12 :hyper: ), I get what fluffy's saying. I like u-He's UI aesthetic but with a lot of Skeuomorphic UIs, sometimes the choice of font, contrast, etc. mean you need to increase to a huge size just to read the text, even when there aren't a ton of controls on the screen. I have the same problem with a lot of Xils products.

NI Rounds, for example, is easier to read at a similar size.


Funny... I feel kinda the opposite... the anti-aliasing sucks on Rounds... it is also a bit blurry (maybe no Retina support?). I find it more fatiguing on the eyes than say RePro-1 or Diva which are both crisp and clear. Rounds makes my eyes strain more to focus.

Then again, I also do not care much what the font size is cause once I'm proficient with the synth, I hardly look at the labels. They pretty quickly become extraneous.

If I were to critique the Diva GUI, it is that the main knobs are a bit too much bigger than the secondary knobs. For ease of use, I would rather them closer to the same size. For sure I prefer more controls visible at once rather than more tabbing... even if that makes the controls smaller (Bazille Gearporn skin).
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Postby izonin; Thu Apr 20, 2017 11:16 pm Re: Minimoog Softsynth Shootout: Diva MiniV3 Monark Legend Minimonsta vs Model D

The GUI does look killer! :)


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Postby egbert101; Sat Apr 22, 2017 11:00 am Re: Minimoog Softsynth Shootout: Diva MiniV3 Monark Legend Minimonsta vs Model D

Damn this is so cute! Not Deepmind 12, but the little fella above it. :hihi:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PjuQT6h2H2Q
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Postby fluffy_little_something; Sat Apr 22, 2017 11:08 am Re: Minimoog Softsynth Shootout: Diva MiniV3 Monark Legend Minimonsta vs Model D

What is the quality if those recent Behringer synths like? Behringer's resputation in that respect is not exactly stellar...
(Since different envelopes use the same sliders, are the DeepMind envelope sliders motorized?)
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Postby chk071; Sat Apr 22, 2017 11:27 am Re: Minimoog Softsynth Shootout: Diva MiniV3 Monark Legend Minimonsta vs Model D

Always delighted at how fat the square wave sounds on the Moog synths, and also on the Behringer clone.
Good synths don't have a sweet spot. They ARE the sweet spot.
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Postby egbert101; Sat Apr 22, 2017 11:29 am Re: Minimoog Softsynth Shootout: Diva MiniV3 Monark Legend Minimonsta vs Model D

fluffy_little_something wrote:What is the quality if those recent Behringer synths like? Behringer's resputation in that respect is not exactly stellar...
(Since different envelopes use the same sliders, are the DeepMind envelope sliders motorized?)


Take into consideration the price difference, but I guess people might have strong feelings about authenticity. But if you're happy with a software version of a synth, then I see no reason why you can't also be happy with a cheaper hardware emulation/clone or whatever. :hihi:

From what I have heard so far, the DeepMind 12 has had great reviews, so hopefully the same with the Model D clone.
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Postby Chapelle; Sat Apr 22, 2017 11:31 am Re: Minimoog Softsynth Shootout: Diva MiniV3 Monark Legend Minimonsta vs Model D

egbert101 wrote:Damn this is so cute! Not Deepmind 12, but the little fella above it. :hihi:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PjuQT6h2H2Q

Yeah, I saw Howard Scarr in one of the Behringer videos. Maybe Urs sent him there to check out if it might be a Diva killer. :hihi:

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Postby egbert101; Sat Apr 22, 2017 11:35 am Re: Minimoog Softsynth Shootout: Diva MiniV3 Monark Legend Minimonsta vs Model D

Chapelle wrote:
egbert101 wrote:Damn this is so cute! Not Deepmind 12, but the little fella above it. :hihi:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PjuQT6h2H2Q

Yeah, I saw Howard Scarr in one of the Behringer videos. Maybe Urs sent him there to check out if it might be a Diva killer. :hihi:


If Behringer are missing their Model D prototype, you know where it went. :hihi:
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Postby Richard_Synapse; Tue Apr 25, 2017 2:13 am Re: Minimoog Softsynth Shootout: Diva MiniV3 Monark Legend Minimonsta vs Model D

Urs wrote:I've got two of those. Not sure yet. I bought them for the Cat SRM, if that one goes poof while we measure it.


Cool, so are you going to emulate the Cat next? We thought about it, but if we make another emulation probably we will rather do some vintage polysynth instead (since our parallelized engine calls for 4-8 voice polyphony anyway).

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fluffy_little_something
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Postby fluffy_little_something; Tue Apr 25, 2017 2:48 am Re: Minimoog Softsynth Shootout: Diva MiniV3 Monark Legend Minimonsta vs Model D

There is no shortage of classic 4 to 8-voice synths :hihi: Maybe the Oberheim 4 or 8 Voice :hihi:

I suppose your 8-voice synth would run better on Intel chips, because it uses AVX a lot, right?
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EvilDragon
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Postby EvilDragon; Tue Apr 25, 2017 2:52 am Re: Minimoog Softsynth Shootout: Diva MiniV3 Monark Legend Minimonsta vs Model D

Richard_Synapse wrote:
Urs wrote:I've got two of those. Not sure yet. I bought them for the Cat SRM, if that one goes poof while we measure it.


Cool, so are you going to emulate the Cat next?


That seems to be in the cards for u-he in the future, yeah. Looks like Urs & co. absolutely love felines. :)
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Postby The unshushable Coktor; Tue Apr 25, 2017 3:24 am Re: Minimoog Softsynth Shootout: Diva MiniV3 Monark Legend Minimonsta vs Model D

fluffy_little_something wrote:... young Viktor with his 20/20 vision ...

You make me feel like I'm 18 again :D

But "they don't care" and "they pretend to care" I find a bit harsh.

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