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stratum
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Postby stratum; Sat Apr 15, 2017 11:29 am Re: Why are computer VSTs/plugins so much more expensive than iPad apps?

When I use a PC, it's running visual studio (programming, day time job).
When I use a tablet, it's running a web browser, for listening to bandcamp.
I guess musicians who are working on something serious wouldn't use a tablet for the very same reasons I wouldn't write code on one.
Pricing of the apps should reflect this pattern in some way.
~stratum~
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Jace-BeOS
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Postby Jace-BeOS; Sat Apr 15, 2017 11:54 am Re: Why are computer VSTs/plugins so much more expensive than iPad apps?

Different customers, different market. Different product, different development model.

I have long thought that software was overpriced (especially considering its condition of being unfinished, hostile, and broken). The whole computer industry thrives on the belief of the specialness of computers (special pleading) and American law continues to demonstrate how little politicians understand technology (other than what lobbyists tell them). Just look at EULAs (illegal contracts, made enforcible by lobbying for laws to make them enforcible) and the average tech person's belief that software is to be excused from warranty (and reliability). The architecture of the thing is bad, so people declare it "special" and therefore the flaws are excused. That would not hold up with so much else in civilization (except we're watching so much else be poisoned by this computer industry special pleading, as operating systems are embedded into every object imaginable).

The above mindset does not exist in the mobile space. The mobile space is far more populated by average "regular" people; end-users, not geeks and technology specialists/apologists. They are far more numerous than the people who feel little discomfort spending $200 to $2000 on hostile and broken software. End consumers want to accomplish a specific desire, not become specialists in a new field. So app prices reflect their tolerances (or justifiable intolerances).

Be sure, the industry will work to "explain it to them" in due time... There's no longer a powerful business ramming home the necessity of accessible and sane technology. i didn't like Steve Jobs as a person, but his vision for computing was more aligned with "the good of society", rather than with clicques of technical specialists. i liked that vision. Now there's no vision at all except Masters of Business Administration "vision" for quartly profits and stock prices. "$1000 cell phones? Yes please! Reliable and intuitive software? Not needed any more because everyone understands mobile devices just fine!"

Don't expect Microsoft to take up the mantle of simplicity and reliability; they're the ones who really accelerated the whole problem in the first place.

As mobile devices encroach upon desktop computing power, the software on mobile devices will grow in complexity. We are already seeing it, as noted by other commentators here. The software originally built from the ground up for that platform will have mutated into a pile of legacy, just like the desktop software. Prices will soar and we will have corporate developers justifying the price by telling us how complex the development process is (especially when they want to keep bolting on new features to sell for more profit, on a product who's architecture maybe wasn't built for those features in the first place).
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stratum
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Postby stratum; Sat Apr 15, 2017 12:40 pm Re: Why are computer VSTs/plugins so much more expensive than iPad apps?

It's easy to make simple things reliable and add some photoshop polish to make it seem like it's worth a few bucks. That's what an average app is. That does not mean software in general is an industrial product. It's more like artwork or craftsmanship. Some are better than the rest, some awesome and some crap.
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layzer
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Postby layzer; Sat Apr 15, 2017 10:30 pm Re: Why are computer VSTs/plugins so much more expensive than iPad apps?

ipad apps are actually more expensive than they should be, should be free :roll:
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EnGee
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3923 posts since 7 Oct, 2005, from Auckland

Postby EnGee; Sat Apr 15, 2017 11:44 pm Re: Why are computer VSTs/plugins so much more expensive than iPad apps?

I did bought few synths for iPad (mini 4), but I rarely use them. It is not that practical or easy to compose music in Garageband. I don't know, it seems can't more than one instance of FM4 or Arturia's synths! In the end I found it sluggish to make any music (or even a sketch) with iPad.

I could however, plug the ipad to my keyboard and playing the synths without a noticeable latency. I could also use the audio output of ipad and using the synths as external synths, but what the point if I have similar or better synths in my desktop?!

I stopped buying any musical related app (or games!). I don't care even if they are for one dollar! If I don't use them, what the point of buying them!

Still, I use the iPad daily and it is with me 24 hours a day! It is a great library of books and manuals, and a better device than Phone in checking emails and browsing the internet, but that any tablet can do it not only iPad!

iPad Pro price is more than my custom PC built! No thank you!
slipstick
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Postby slipstick; Sun Apr 16, 2017 4:19 am Re: Why are computer VSTs/plugins so much more expensive than iPad apps?

Looking at it another way it can be quite expensive populating an IPad with a reasonable set of music making apps, and that's because there are very few useful free apps. Whereas on PC you can get a colossal number of useful VSTs for absolutely nothing and some of us, being either cheap or perhaps frugal, are running complete systems which cost us nothing at all.

But of course the real answer to original question is just "Because they can get away with it". I doubt if anyone has ever paid more for any IPad app than the IPad itself cost. Yet people are regularly willing to do that on PCs. Why ? No idea !

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chk071
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Postby chk071; Sun Apr 16, 2017 4:22 am Re: Why are computer VSTs/plugins so much more expensive than iPad apps?

layzer wrote:ipad apps are actually more expensive than they should be, should be free :roll:

You should be free too.
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djmino02
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Postby djmino02; Sun Apr 16, 2017 4:41 am Re: Why are computer VSTs/plugins so much more expensive than iPad apps?

i think it's because they're trying to get people that aren't into music production interested in apps, in hopes that will transition over into daw market.

also, apps are cheap. ive never seen/heard of an app that wasn't more than $20. of course, im not big on buying apps and stuff so...
tusk
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Postby tusk; Sun Apr 16, 2017 4:44 am Re: Why are computer VSTs/plugins so much more expensive than iPad apps?

I read that it's actually really hard to make money in the iPad environment for developers, that the Apple ecosystem encourages super low prices.
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Jace-BeOS
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Postby Jace-BeOS; Sun Apr 16, 2017 9:10 am Re: Why are computer VSTs/plugins so much more expensive than iPad apps?

tusk wrote:I read that it's actually really hard to make money in the iPad environment for developers, that the Apple ecosystem encourages super low prices.


It does. And it probably is. I think the biggest problem is there's zero quality control on the App Store. Hundreds of junk apps. Apple has stated they would clean house years ago now. Haven't done so.
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Zombie Queen
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4232 posts since 1 Aug, 2005, from Warszawa, Poland

Postby Zombie Queen; Sun Apr 16, 2017 9:21 am Re: Why are computer VSTs/plugins so much more expensive than iPad apps?

Numanoid wrote:I mean, a regular VST can be so small that it could have fitted on a couple of 1.44 diskettes. Yet users gladly pay $100 or more for that.


So, size does matter?
kbaccki
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Postby kbaccki; Sun Apr 16, 2017 10:59 am Re: Why are computer VSTs/plugins so much more expensive than iPad apps?

Numanoid wrote:
lnikj wrote:IOS apps are underpriced. The result is that half of them are abandonware. Sad, but that's the way it is.

Situation isn't very different on the desktop platforms.

New plugs show up every other day, costing a lot, and how many of them get updated?


??? I'm always downloading updates for all my plugins and other software. Not sure what plugins you use that are dropped on the market then never updated.

Speaking of which, I still use lots of obsolete software on windows. Windows 7 + legacy VST + jbridge + reaper x64 = productivity. Not doing that on an iPad.
You need to limit that rez, bro.
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Postby fmr; Mon Apr 17, 2017 1:50 am Re: Why are computer VSTs/plugins so much more expensive than iPad apps?

Jace-BeOS wrote: The whole computer industry thrives on the belief of the specialness of computers (special pleading) and American law continues to demonstrate how little politicians understand technology (other than what lobbyists tell them). Just look at EULAs (illegal contracts, made enforcible by lobbying for laws to make them enforcible) and the average tech person's belief that software is to be excused from warranty (and reliability). The architecture of the thing is bad, so people declare it "special" and therefore the flaws are excused. That would not hold up with so much else in civilization (except we're watching so much else be poisoned by this computer industry special pleading, as operating systems are embedded into every object imaginable).

This I agree with you. I had a very bad experience not long ago with an maercian developer, where I made an impulse purchased on a pre-launch, changed my mind the day after (still before launching, asked for a refund, which was denied (although nothing had been released yet), and when I asked for instruction to try to resell my license (which is explicitly allowed under european lawqs, I was denied that authorization, AND my access to the downloads was revoked, which means I end up without money and without goods.

This, IMO, is nothing else than robbery. Unfortunately, I can't fight this attitude, due to distance, and insufficient kowledge of laws. Finally, I decided to consider the money lost, and move on, although I will be vigilant to report this matter whenever that guy shows up again.

But this has nothing to do with prices, and price comparison between iPad and desktop software, more with the need to change focus on the laws towards customer protection and rights.
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Jace-BeOS
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Postby Jace-BeOS; Mon Apr 17, 2017 4:57 pm Re: Why are computer VSTs/plugins so much more expensive than iPad apps?

fmr wrote:
Jace-BeOS wrote: The whole computer industry thrives on the belief of the specialness of computers (special pleading) and American law continues to demonstrate how little politicians understand technology (other than what lobbyists tell them). Just look at EULAs (illegal contracts, made enforcible by lobbying for laws to make them enforcible) and the average tech person's belief that software is to be excused from warranty (and reliability). The architecture of the thing is bad, so people declare it "special" and therefore the flaws are excused. That would not hold up with so much else in civilization (except we're watching so much else be poisoned by this computer industry special pleading, as operating systems are embedded into every object imaginable).

This I agree with you. I had a very bad experience not long ago with an maercian developer, where I made an impulse purchased on a pre-launch, changed my mind the day after (still before launching, asked for a refund, which was denied (although nothing had been released yet), and when I asked for instruction to try to resell my license (which is explicitly allowed under european lawqs, I was denied that authorization, AND my access to the downloads was revoked, which means I end up without money and without goods.

This, IMO, is nothing else than robbery. Unfortunately, I can't fight this attitude, due to distance, and insufficient kowledge of laws. Finally, I decided to consider the money lost, and move on, although I will be vigilant to report this matter whenever that guy shows up again.

But this has nothing to do with prices, and price comparison between iPad and desktop software, more with the need to change focus on the laws towards customer protection and rights.


Wow, that's a horrible experience! I hope that developer crashes and burns.
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glokraw
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Postby glokraw; Mon Apr 17, 2017 8:32 pm Re: Why are computer VSTs/plugins so much more expensive than iPad apps?

Numanoid wrote:To keep the boat floating, devs like Adobe and others introduced the time-share plug

Paying a small amount per month, rather than one big payment, seems more enticing, even though a user will end up paying a lot more over time.

A professional person contemplating an Adobe style rental plan,
will calculate the financial return made possible by
obtaining the software tools immediately, and then also throughout
the rental period. That rental cost would also be a tax deduction.
The long term price would be less a consideration, than the
immediate and long-term income made possible. Assuming the 'renter'
has what it takes to do well in whatever business is entered in to.

An additional calculation would be comparing the interest on a business loan
or credit card purchase compared to the profit margins built in to
the long-term rental fees.

And for self-taught learners, a cheap rental price gives opportunity to learn
professional tools, which could enhance ones ability to get and stay hired.
We'll all have our individual views of various pricing schemes,
and hopefully find the ones best suited for each situation.
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