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Postby Numanoid; Sun May 14, 2017 6:30 am Re: Where has all the magware gone?

StiX CM.dll was last modified March 3rd, so it has been on the harddrive at CM for some time.
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Postby EnGee; Sun May 14, 2017 6:32 am Re: Where has all the magware gone?

nineofkings wrote:
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Dasheesh wrote:EDM. Kids be buying or ripping. They don't look cool enough to their tinder bitches with magware.

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Postby Numanoid; Sun May 14, 2017 6:35 am Re: Where has all the magware gone?

I doubt very much that StiX CM version has Multi Out

According to maunal (page 26), it seems like StiX Multi Out version is a version in itself, like when installing XilS full version there are two dll's StiX.dll and Stix Multi Out.dll

https://www.xils-lab.com/download_files ... manual.pdf
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Postby chk071; Sun May 14, 2017 6:40 am Re: Where has all the magware gone?

Hmm... a drum computer VST without multi outs is kind of useless, unless it has a built in mixer with fx. And even then, you won't be able to use any fx you want to on the multiple outputs... i wonder what the point is even to offer a non-multi out DLL. Oh well. Geist Lite didn't have multi outs either. So, rather no buy for me.
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Postby Numanoid; Sun May 14, 2017 6:43 am Re: Where has all the magware gone?

The following is stated what is the difference between StiX and Stix CM
Why upgrade to full Stix

Advanced Syntehsis Panel: Full synthesizer for each Drum Sound
3 oscillators, Sample Import, 3EV, 2 LFO 1 Multimode 0df Filter
Modulation Matrix, Custom EZ Page Macro Assignations
80 parameters to sculpt each Drum Sound
Full access to Morphing Analog, FM & Cross Synthesis

Eazy Synthesis Panel
Custom Step Mod & PolyStep Destinations assignation

Preset and Midi
Save Drumkits, Patterns & Songs, Import/Export all presets types
Midi Output Recording (Print Sequencer to DAW Track)
Extended Midi cc assign: All parameters, of all drum sounds
Access to future extensions of legendary Drum Machines
13 drumkits of iconic Drum machines (LinnDrumm, EMU, Vermona, Rloand [sic], etc...)

Sequencer & Multi Audio Output
Custom Per Step Divisi Paremeters [sic] (Ruff, Stutter, Triplets)
Beat Tab: Custom numbe rof steps per beat (for all drums)
Multi Output available: Each drum on a separate channel of your DAW

So for Multi Output, need to get full version
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Postby chk071; Sun May 14, 2017 6:47 am Re: Where has all the magware gone?

Thanks, i somehow expected that... shame.
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Postby Numanoid; Sun May 14, 2017 6:49 am Re: Where has all the magware gone?

And it is buggy :(

I changed the GUI color from metallic to black in settings. Told to relaunch plugin.

I do that, and when I relaunch XilS Stix the GUI is gone. How can I now get back to changing the GUI to metallic, when there is no GUI in the FL Studio wrapper anymore ?
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Postby slipstick; Sun May 14, 2017 12:23 pm Re: Where has all the magware gone?

I had a quick play with Stix CM and it's o.k. but IMO it's too crippled to 'actually be useful as is and the full version is way too expensive. So bye bye Stix. I still use my XILS3 CM a lot though.

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Postby Numanoid; Sun May 14, 2017 12:27 pm Re: Where has all the magware gone?

I also uninstalled, because I didn't know what else to do, when the GUI disappeared.

But seeing that a user need the full version to do this:
"Save Drumkits, Patterns & Songs, Import/Export all presets types"

Makes me wonder if XILS StiX CM is just a preset player ?
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Postby Lotuzia; Mon May 15, 2017 1:48 am Re: Where has all the magware gone?

chk071 wrote:Hmm... a drum computer VST without multi outs is kind of useless, unless it has a built in mixer with fx. And even then, you won't be able to use any fx you want to on the multiple outputs... i wonder what the point is even to offer a non-multi out DLL. Oh well. Geist Lite didn't have multi outs either. So, rather no buy for me.

Just freeze the different drum parts one by one, and you'll be able to process them like you do with .... real drums.

For the record, StiX CM has mixer and effects on board
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Postby Lotuzia; Mon May 15, 2017 2:01 am Re: Where has all the magware gone?

Numanoid wrote:I also uninstalled, because I didn't know what else to do, when the GUI disappeared.

But seeing that a user need the full version to do this:
"Save Drumkits, Patterns & Songs, Import/Export all presets types"

Makes me wonder if XILS StiX CM is just a preset player ?

You can save the global presets in StiX CM, wich means :

* All patterns/sequencer data, + -possibly deeply- modified drumkits, & drumpads (ie single drum sounds) (in short totally new rythms and sound data altogether)

You even have access to all the AI assisted drumkit creation tools, so you can generate myryads of different original drumkits with a single click

And of course you can change whatever number of individual drum sounds in a kit (choosen between the plethora of available drumpads presets)

However, what you cannot do is :

1/ Once you have created a drumkit, save it 'as a drumkit', then reuse it after in another global presets ( you'll need the full version to do that)
2/ Once you have created a drumpad ( single drum sound), save it 'as a drumpad, then reuse it after in another global presets ( you'll need the full version to do that)
3/ No sample import
4/ No export/import of banks or drumkits, or drumpads (because it would bypass the limitation of not saving drumkits and drumpads as it, and the limitation to be able to import the forthcoming add on packs, whether free or commercial)
5/ No access to the full synthesis page for individual drumsounds wich give you access to dozens of individual synthesis parameters.

However, you have full access to all the macro modifiers, and custom macro modifiers for all drum sounds, wich means yopu really deeply modifiy any drum sound, in some ways most drum machines, free or not, can't. Just try them, and you'll be surprised of how deep and far yopu can go with them.

So, definitely not a 'preset machine' imho. I'd rather say it goes far beyond some free and commercial units.

I'll nevertheless report the change GUI colour bug you were confronted to to Xils, and see if it is effective on all machines, specific to certain systems and if it is the case, how it can be fixed. Best Regards. LTZ
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Postby Lotuzia; Mon May 15, 2017 2:09 am Re: Where has all the magware gone?

slipstick wrote:I had a quick play with Stix CM and it's o.k. but IMO it's too crippled to 'actually be useful as is and the full version is way too expensive. So bye bye Stix. I still use my XILS3 CM a lot though.

Steve

We certainly would like to be able to offer several years of R&D, and much more years of experience and culture with drum machines, to anyone for free. However, it's not possible. There are some reasons for wich StiX is in the top segment of the DM market : Most versatile unit, plethora of never seen MUSICAL features, splendid analog synthesis, innovative synthesis possibilities, ... and more to come. But basically the reason is : Thousands of work hours invested, and lot of risks taken to propose something definitely new to musicians. We're however aware that the risk for the musicians is to spend more than 3 mns to test the free magware version. Well, it's a risky world, for you, and us. :shrug:
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Postby chk071; Mon May 15, 2017 3:34 am Re: Where has all the magware gone?

Two things: A magware isn't free, but you pay the price of the mag, and, the benefit for both Computer Music, and XILS is advertising and popularity due to mag sales. Second, i don't think anyone expects "thousands of work hours" for free, but, a drum machine without multi outs is simply utterly useless for me. It's a teaser, there to sell me the full version, nothing more, nothing less. Fair enough, but, as i'm unlikely to buy the full version anyway, i don't need the teaser in this case.
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Postby Numanoid; Mon May 15, 2017 5:58 am Re: Where has all the magware gone?

Lotuzia wrote:I'll nevertheless report the change GUI colour bug you were confronted to to Xils, and see if it is effective on all machines, specific to certain systems and if it is the case, how it can be fixed. Best Regards. LTZ

Thanks

I also had problem that changing the size of the GUI in the settings and restarting the plugin, but it didn't lead to any changes.

I am using FL Studio 12.3 on Windows 10 64 bit.

I should probably upgrade to latest version of FL Studio 12.4, to check if the problem persists.
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Postby slipstick; Mon May 15, 2017 2:10 pm Re: Where has all the magware gone?

Lotuzia wrote:We certainly would like to be able to offer several years of R&D, and much more years of experience and culture with drum machines, to anyone for free. However, it's not possible.

Yes it has to be tricky working out how much you can take out of a product and still leave it useful while keeping back enough features so that plenty of people will still be willing to buy the full product.

Sometimes you get it right. In this case the magware version simply doesn't doesn't have enough left to be of any use to me. That's fair enough because the full product is obviously aimed at a different market to me and people like me. Nothing wrong with Stix at all, it simply turns out not to be anything I need.

Steve
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