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FALCON or HALION 6 ?

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Postby crystalmsc; Wed May 17, 2017 2:54 am Re: FALCON or HALION 6 ?

I'm more into the Falcon camp, the sound and features fit me better and the development is much more interesting. So excited to see the implementation of Rotary, supporting the new B5 V2. Especially when it comes with more organ oriented materials using the Organ and other oscillators.
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Postby Lutin mutin; Fri May 19, 2017 1:46 pm Re: FALCON or HALION 6 ?

Hi guys !

Thank you very much for all your inputs on a very complicated decision ! ;-)
Still playing here (a few days more) with the Halion 6 demo... I have some little problems with the workflow (a little bit too sophisticated and too confusing for me - A lot of very small buttons or check squares to memorise the place... very small written words, despite easy enlargement windows... etc...)... and not totally convinced by the "acoustic (instruments) sounds presets" compared to the equivalent in other softs I own yet...
I've read here in your comments that for some of you, Falcon has a "better" workflow than Halion 6. Unfortunately because there is no demo version, I cannot play with to verify it at "my hands"...

A complicated decision... so, why not to wait for the Falcon 2 version before to buy a... non enthusiastic relation with Halion 6 - 30 days demo ?

But, your comments have been very very much appreciated.
Thanks a lot again !

Cheers !
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Postby Echoes in the Attic; Fri May 19, 2017 8:47 pm Re: FALCON or HALION 6 ?

I finally downloaded the Halion 6 demo and I personally really like the sound. I have definitely not figured out the workflow yet and yes there are many small buttons, it's sort of hard to figure out what's going on. However at least there are many different simplified synth interfaces provided which allows you to use it as a more straight forward synth. I definitely prefer the Halion sound to Falcon. The VA and the wavetable oscs are excellent in Halion. I will probably pick it up soon...
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Postby Echoes in the Attic; Tue May 23, 2017 2:47 am Re: FALCON or HALION 6 ?

Well after playing with halion 6 for a while, I'm extremely impressed with the sound. The VA section is already one of my favorites of any analog style vst. The wavetable is crisp and ballsy. Granular is good of course. And so many presets are just excellent and very playable. I have a new found appreciation for the falcon flexibility and signal path though, as halion is missing alot that falcon can do. But I just wish Falcon sounded like halion. There's just no comparison. I primarily wan to use Halion as an mpe synth but I can't figure out how to assign cc74 as a modulator. The independent note pitch bend works and I assume the aftertouch is polyphonic (haven't tested that actually) but I'm worried that I won't be able to modulate per voice with cc74 and haven't gotten any answers yet to this. Anyone know?
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EvilDragon
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Postby EvilDragon; Tue May 23, 2017 3:40 am Re: FALCON or HALION 6 ?

Echoes in the Attic wrote:But I just wish Falcon sounded like halion. There's just no comparison.


Sure there is, they both sound great, neither is "worse" than the other. They are just steered in different directions. IMHO filters are definitely much better and more flexible in Falcon, and that Sparkverb and Phasor and Thorus... *_*
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Postby Echoes in the Attic; Tue May 23, 2017 4:11 am Re: FALCON or HALION 6 ?

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Echoes in the Attic wrote:But I just wish Falcon sounded like halion. There's just no comparison.


Sure there is, they both sound great, neither is "worse" than the other. They are just steered in different directions. IMHO filters are definitely much better and more flexible in Falcon, and that Sparkverb and Phasor and Thorus... *_*


Well I guess I should have qualified that with an "imo", as of course I see how you could like either more than the other or equally. I just mean for me there is no comparison in terms of the sound character (as opposed to the "quality") and Halion has the sound I love, more so than Omnisphere (which I own) and falcon.
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Postby SJ_Digriz; Tue May 23, 2017 10:51 am Re: FALCON or HALION 6 ?

I guess I also think Falcon sounds better easier. The filters are better and several of the effects are lightyears better. I also think there are good and bad in both workflows. Falcon is far more flexible and accessible to parameters IMO. But, I'm totally hooked on the WT in H6+sampling.
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Postby BBFG#; Wed May 24, 2017 8:15 am Re: FALCON or HALION 6 ?

PACE or eLicenser?
For me, it unfortunately came down to copy protection method.
While eLicenser still takes its USB port, it at least doesn't run software that continually sucks system resources like PACE does. I find that company to be quite manipulative, disingenuous and even downright deceitful to deal and communicate with.

The moment Falcon kicks PACE to the curb, I'd probably buy it.
And I liken any good software that uses it to a runway model with an incurable case of scabies.

Until then, I'm more than okay with just HALion 6.
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EvilDragon
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Postby EvilDragon; Wed May 24, 2017 8:27 am Re: FALCON or HALION 6 ?

PACE doesn't suck any more resources than your graphics card drivers. In fact, quite a bit less. Just one process taking about 24 MB of RAM and NO CPU utilization. Big effin' deal.
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Postby BBFG#; Wed May 24, 2017 8:54 am Re: FALCON or HALION 6 ?

EvilDragon wrote:PACE doesn't suck any more resources than your graphics card drivers. In fact, quite a bit less. Just one process taking about 24 MB of RAM and NO CPU utilization. Big effin' deal.


:lol: At least you admit it does suck system resources, which PACE will flat out deny until you show it to them. Then they switch to your response. At least that's how they handled it the last time I caught them in it. And I've also observed it cumulatively adds to the other non-PACE plugins being used at the time. You know a tick on your scalp doesn't really eat much either. Still the wise thing is to remove it.
A graphic card is a system component. PACE however, is not.

But regardless, if Falcon ever comes to its senses and realizes how much of a market they are missing and at the very least gives us an option to use literally anything else except PACE, (even eLicenser), I most likely would own both. But PACE is a no-effin way.
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Postby EvilDragon; Wed May 24, 2017 11:12 am Re: FALCON or HALION 6 ?

I don't think that 24 MB of RAM counts as "sucking the resources". And it works very well overall. For sure it's not harmful to the system in any way.
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Postby BBFG#; Wed May 24, 2017 11:31 am Re: FALCON or HALION 6 ?

EvilDragon wrote:I don't think that 24 MB of RAM counts as "sucking the resources". And it works very well overall. For sure it's not harmful to the system in any way.

Again, ticks don't eat much either.
A parasite is a parasite.

Regardless still, in comparing the two, how it installs and runs is something that most of us look at.
In this regard, HALion is the better of the two IMO.
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Postby Wavegem; Wed May 24, 2017 2:41 pm Re: FALCON or HALION 6 ?

What about the fact that uvi gives you 3 licenses and Steinberg only gives you one. Halion 6 comes with a 25+ gig library and Falcons factory content is 600 mb.
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