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Krakatau
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Postby Krakatau; Fri Mar 30, 2018 10:42 pm Re: Anyone still use Metasynth?

Michael L wrote:^^^ Here are five pages of details on the new features:

http://uisoftware.com/MetaSynth/MS6NEWFEATURES.pdf

I consider the update well worth the very reasonable $49. It improves sound quality, adds features and the updated menus make it surprisingly easier to use. These improvements are focused on sound quality, which is of course the priority-- so I am quite happy! :clap:

I would pay $100 with a better GUI, but bitmap>vector is a huge rewrite and perhaps the current user base is not enough to pay for so much work. But perhaps the next generation of musicians will rediscover this wildly imaginative and multidimensional DAW?


having a short try on the demo , i realise how much stability and responsivity of the program has drastically increased, worth the little fee asked for the upgrade IMO
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Postby padillac; Mon Jun 04, 2018 3:30 pm Re: Anyone still use Metasynth?

I demoed v5 a while back and remember that (on Mac) cmd-space was mapped to an important feature (play from marker maybe?). It seemed to be hard-coded and the documentation suggested remapping your existing cmd-space shortcut if there was a conflict (e.g. spotlight, Alfred).

Has v6 changed the shortcut / made it configurable on OS X?
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Postby padillac; Tue Jun 12, 2018 9:06 am Re: Anyone still use Metasynth?

padillac wrote:I demoed v5 a while back and remember that (on Mac) cmd-space was mapped to an important feature (play from marker maybe?). It seemed to be hard-coded and the documentation suggested remapping your existing cmd-space shortcut if there was a conflict (e.g. spotlight, Alfred).

Has v6 changed the shortcut / made it configurable on OS X?


cmd-shift-space will do it too
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Postby martinjuenke; Sat Jun 16, 2018 12:22 am Re: Anyone still use Metasynth?

How is Metasynth‘s time stretching quality compared with PaulXStretch, iZotope RX6, zplane elastique time/pitch and others?
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Postby Michael L; Sat Jun 16, 2018 12:58 am Re: Anyone still use Metasynth?

martinjuenke wrote:How is Metasynth‘s time stretching quality compared with PaulXStretch, iZotope RX6, zplane elastique time/pitch and others?
One day I stretched the same tone+noise sample with those you listed plus several others, and every timestretch sounds quite different!
Metasynth has three stretchers, (Grain, Stretch and Pitch & Time) and has a more musical emphasis. Here's just one paragraph from the long descriptions the Metasynth Manual has about each one:

Grain
Imagine being able to take a tape recording, slice it up into arbitrarily small bits then rearrange them. That’s Grain! Grain is a granular synthesis effect that displaces and reorders time slices from the source sample. This powerful effect is capable of creating mind-boggling new sounds. Some experimentation is needed to find the settings that work best for a particular source sound or effect, but once found the results are worth the invested time.

Stretch
Stretch changes the duration of a sound without changing its pitch. Besides changing the sound’s duration, this effect can create interesting stuttering or resonances depending on how you set the parameters. Stretch uses a less CPU-intensive method of time stretching than the Pitch & Time effect. Interesting performances can be created by changing the parameters in real-time. If you are trying to zero in on a realistic effect setting, you should periodically stop and restart the preview as feedback/delay effects can be introduced during real-time manipulation.

Pitch & Time
High-quality Pitch and Time shift effect that allows you to change the pitch and duration of a sound independently. If there is no selection, the duration of the sound may change slightly even with the Speed set to 100%. To preserve the duration precisely, select all of the sound before applying the effect. This is a very CPU intensive effect. On some machines, the real-time preview of stereo sounds might stutter. If this is the case, use Amplitude Decimate (see below) during preview to reduce the CPU load.

Metasynth is so great :clap: it's a time capsule from when anything was possible :love:
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martinjuenke
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Postby martinjuenke; Wed Jun 20, 2018 4:30 am Re: Anyone still use Metasynth?

It's still 32bit and generates a warning on Mac HighSierra.
The developer has no certain timeline for going 64bit.
To be honest, that's a deal breaker for me given the hefty price of this thing.

Alternatives?
Obviously Kaleidoscope for all this image / sound field.
PaulXStretch for stretching.
PadshopPro or CrusherX for granularisation.
And so on...

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Michael L
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Postby Michael L; Wed Jun 20, 2018 5:07 am Re: Anyone still use Metasynth?

Yes, we have many & quite different options!
Going a bit OT:
martinjuenke wrote:It's still 32bit and generates a warning on Mac HighSierra
Apple says* the purpose of that warning is to get you "to check with the software developer to see if 64-bit versions of your favorite titles are available." Those tactics annoy me. Personally, I make my software decisions independently of Apple's decisions to break backward compatibility.

*https://support.apple.com/en-au/HT208436
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martinjuenke
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Postby martinjuenke; Wed Jun 20, 2018 5:56 am Re: Anyone still use Metasynth?

Michael L wrote:Yes, we have many & quite different options!
Going a bit OT:
martinjuenke wrote:It's still 32bit and generates a warning on Mac HighSierra
Apple says* the purpose of that warning is to get you "to check with the software developer to see if 64-bit versions of your favorite titles are available." Those tactics annoy me. Personally, I make my software decisions independently of Apple's decisions to break backward compatibility.

*https://support.apple.com/en-au/HT208436

However, I‘m on Mac and Logic and quite satisfied with this environment. As I said, there are obviously alternatives. If a developer states that it’s uncertain if he will ever switch to 64bit (which is state of the art) then I doubt that an investment of 200 bucks is reasonable. Just my opinion...
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Postby Neon Breath; Wed Jun 20, 2018 6:15 am Re: Anyone still use Metasynth?

martinjuenke wrote:It's still 32bit and generates a warning on Mac HighSierra.
The developer has no certain timeline for going 64bit.
To be honest, that's a deal breaker for me given the hefty price of this thing.

Alternatives?
Obviously Kaleidoscope for all this image / sound field.
PaulXStretch for stretching.
PadshopPro or CrusherX for granularisation.
And so on...

Sorry, I'm out.


Max For Live can do image synthesis as well, as I couple of nice experimental devices doing it.
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Postby Neon Breath; Wed Jun 20, 2018 7:07 am Re: Anyone still use Metasynth?

I'm a long time Metasynth user, but this time I didn't upgrade to 6. Too pricy for what is has to offer as 'new' stuff, not enough new features, no new tools and same old 90's GUI. Until a major update, I'm out too.

Also, as other said we now have so many other options available for exotic effects like spectral and granular processing, often as plugins available real time right in the DAW so I don't see the purpose of Metasynth as essential as it once was.
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