ontrackp wrote:I have to respectfully disagree. I would hope we've all been around this long enough to know what a quick knock-off sketch that has no detail, just a loop going over and over and some sloppy overdubs. That's a throw-away. Remember when Wags would say he spent one hour on his piece? It always sounded like it and deserved a 1.
While it may not be addressed to me specifically it seems like it is debating my position so I am going to respond. Please forgive me if this is in error.
But, how do you know a person put no effort into it?
You might not appreciate the results of the effort but that does not mean there was no effort involved.
But even if it is an 8 bar loops for 10 minutes a person could have very well spent days agonizing over each single note in the loop, trying different notes, trying different tempos etc.
Just because you could knock something like that out in a moment or two does not mean everyone has that skill or proficiency.
It may indicate that the contest is beyond the person's ability at the current time with their skill level, but it gives no indication of effort(IMO). You can only assume based on the effort it would take you.
And it seems to me that the higher the skill level and proficiency the amount of effort needed is greatly reduced.
So it is quite possible that those with the worse results could be the one's actually putting in the most effort.
The thing with the Wags example, well he flat out stated the amount of effort, so yes seems fair to judge that in the case.
But I don't see many other admissions of little effort, yet somehow you can tell what tracks are a "throw-away" for the person who made them? Even someone whose work you have never heard before?
ontrackp wrote:Don't know what you mean by "the heck of it".
I believe it means similar to "on a whim without concern for the outcome". At least that is how I took it and responded to it based on that interpretation.
ontrackp wrote: If someone posts an entry they are taking a deliberate action asking people who are creating high quality, thought-out, detailed and produced pieces to spend time listening and to grade it. I'm usually short on time but always try to leave constructive comments on every track, because I feel that people who spend time and energy creating a produced song deserve that courtesy.
But surely you admit that you are not successful at leaving comments for every track yes?
Or would a lack of comment indicate you felt the track was a "throw-away"?
I do agree with you though that it is a good thing to try to leave a comment for all who participate. While I also try to, I often fall short of things to say. I am going to renew my focus on providing more/better comments in March.