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64 vs 32 bit FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT!!!

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stardustmedia
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1620 posts since 12 Dec, 2012, from Switzerland

Postby stardustmedia; Thu Jan 11, 2018 5:37 am Re: 64 vs 32 bit FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT!!!

mutantdog wrote:Every now and then i see someone using a Nokia 3310. In some ways i envy them.


In 50 years, we'll envy the 32bit users, that they still run historic plugins and make music with it :love:
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shidostrife
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518 posts since 22 Nov, 2016

Postby shidostrife; Thu Jan 11, 2018 5:50 am Re: 64 vs 32 bit FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT!!!

I'm exclusively 64-bit now. Everytime I see a new plugin and found it's 32-bit only, or pro tools only, or mac-only, I close the browser tab immediately. No fuss. I don't care what fancy thing it does if I can't use it.

For freebies or things you haven't bought, you can leave anything that doesn't match your preferences. For commercial things you already paid, you could jbridge. It's cheap.
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Tj Shredder
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132 posts since 6 Jan, 2017, from Berlin

Postby Tj Shredder; Thu Jan 11, 2018 5:59 am Re: 64 vs 32 bit FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT!!!

Scotty wrote:I Thave experienced it several times and have a drawer full of abandoned hardware that died due to OS updates and new requirements.
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Often people ask for the newest bestest hyperfastest computer, upgrade their OS regularly AND STILL ask for compatibility backwards for ages.


I recently pulled this out of my drawer:

An old ADB keyboard and Trackball and connected it with a long time forgotten and out of production USB-adapter to my brand new Mac Pro with Sierra running.
Miracles happen, keep the old stuff in the drawer...;-)

P.S. I had a photo uploaded as attachment, don't know how to make it show up...
Scotty
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1408 posts since 22 Dec, 2002

Postby Scotty; Thu Jan 11, 2018 6:15 am Re: 64 vs 32 bit FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT!!!

That's cool. I built two - 1 unit - windows98 servers on the cheap to host my Korg Oasys cards. I had so much invested in the platform that I couldn't let them sit. They are patched into my current rig via dedicated ADAT pairs. Korg may have abandoned them but I didn't.

Tj Shredder wrote:
I recently pulled this out of my drawer:

An old ADB keyboard and Trackball and connected it with a long time forgotten and out of production USB-adapter to my brand new Mac Pro with Sierra running.
Miracles happen, keep the old stuff in the drawer...;-)

P.S. I had a photo uploaded as attachment, don't know how to make it show up...
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Teksonik
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11880 posts since 15 Sep, 2001, from Las Vegas,USA

Postby Teksonik; Thu Jan 11, 2018 6:55 am Re: 64 vs 32 bit FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT!!!

wagtunes wrote:I actually feel sorry for the 64 bit users like myself. You have any idea how many plugins we CAN'T use? .


I know how many 32 bit plugins I want to use. Somewhere between none and zero. :wink:

I honestly can't think of one 32 bit only plugin that I need or want.......... :shrug:
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ATN69
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1637 posts since 5 Oct, 2015, from Swedish / Living in Hong Kong

Postby ATN69; Thu Jan 11, 2018 7:01 am Re: 64 vs 32 bit FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT!!!

Worse than 32-bit vs 64-bit is the fact that we have 2 major OS separating Mac and PC. I would love to use Alchemy or P900 but those are for Mac only. I blame Steve Jobs and Bill Gates for this :hihi:
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chk071
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14336 posts since 10 Apr, 2010, from Germany

Postby chk071; Thu Jan 11, 2018 7:03 am Re: 64 vs 32 bit FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT!!!

I'd rather blame the devs of both P900 and Alchemy for it. :P
Zexila
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Postby Zexila; Thu Jan 11, 2018 8:03 am Re: 64 vs 32 bit FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT!!!

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foosnark
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4143 posts since 9 Jan, 2003, from Saint Louis MO

Postby foosnark; Thu Jan 11, 2018 8:13 am Re: 64 vs 32 bit FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT!!!

thejonsolo wrote:Every post above mine was joking and spoofing around.


Except for the ones that weren't.

So anyway:

1. Yes, I stuck with 32 bits for quite a while out of inertia. See #2.

2. There is NO TECHNICAL ADVANTAGE for me to move to 64 bits. I don't need the extra address space. The performance difference, while measurable (in Maschine 2.x) is negligable given the typical number of plugins I run. 64 does not sound better than 32.

3. People overstate the advantages of 64 bits as well as the difficulty to developers of compiling and supporting two builds. I'm a software developer at a company that did both for a while, and when we dropped 32-bit releases nothing actually got easier.

4. I looked recently into switching to 64 bits, simply because now seems like a good time to nuke my plugin folder and start clean with only the few I use now. But some of those regulars are still 32 bit only and have no direct equivalent aside from more expensive commercial products I don't want to buy.

5. The one time I tried jBridge, it crashed my host. The motivation to try it again does not exist.

6. When something is released 64-bit only now, I just don't buy it. The number of times this has led to signficant disappointment so far is zero, because most devs still do release 32 bits. That may change someday, and I'll have to make a decision. That's life. The recent NI Christmas present is the first 64-bit only thing I can think of, and I'm fine without adding another phaser, thanks.

7. I also don't freak out about old stuff not getting updated to 64 bits because it uses a platform that hasn't been updated; nor about developers not updating old stuff because there are more pressing demands on their time.
Stefken
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164 posts since 9 Nov, 2016

Postby Stefken; Thu Jan 11, 2018 8:27 am Re: 64 vs 32 bit FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT!!!


Nevertheless, it's a choice you have. Keep the system running as it is, or live with regular changes and common punches in your face (thanks to the fast pace of the computer world).


Amen.
AnX
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Postby AnX; Thu Jan 11, 2018 8:35 am Re: 64 vs 32 bit FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT!!!

mutantdog wrote:Every now and then i see someone using a Nokia 3310. In some ways i envy them.



My contract is up soon, i was thinking of getting a new one of those. I spend too much time on my phone....
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melomood
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208 posts since 15 Oct, 2017, from U.S.

Postby melomood; Thu Jan 11, 2018 9:03 am Re: 64 vs 32 bit FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT!!!

I have a samsung phone I got at the end of 2011 that's still a 25 dollar per month no contract

I use it to text & make phone calls

It's fun never having the urge to tweet in the middle of dinner or instagram a photo of said dinner.
Halonmusic
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576 posts since 13 Nov, 2015, from Norway

Postby Halonmusic; Thu Jan 11, 2018 9:57 am Re: 64 vs 32 bit FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT!!!

foosnark wrote:There is no good replacement for ET-301, Night Flight, and some others. I'll stay with 32. There is nothing "religious" about it. :roll:


Agreed. ET-301 :love:
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layzer
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Postby layzer; Thu Jan 11, 2018 11:06 am Re: 64 vs 32 bit FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT!!!

foosnark wrote:6. When something is released 64-bit only now, I just don't buy it. The number of times this has led to signficant disappointment so far is zero


and i watch video demos of this 64bit only new plugins and its the same ol abnoxious, abrasive, over complicated sounds no one would ever use in a real song.
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Lotuzia
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Postby Lotuzia; Thu Jan 11, 2018 11:28 am Re: 64 vs 32 bit FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT!!!

I'm 64 bits only now because all the plugs that I use are. So it makes my life easier. + I benefit from 64b for some. Should I desperatly need an instrument that is 32 bits only, I'd very probably make the effort to find a solution like a bridge, but it's not the case atm. I think 32 bits will probably disappear sooner or later, but if people maintain their systems and are happy like that, I can't see a problem, or a need to convince them to change, even for their supposed own sake.
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