One Synth Challenge #109: Fathom Synth by Seaweed Audio (mmGhost wins!)

[zarf]

FYI I don't think we need to put any rules restrictions on this month.

Have fun!

Yeah .. would like a bit of clarification on this .. do you truly mean no rule restrictions whatsoever?

I'm pretty confident he means no *extra* restrictions - like not using single cycles is OK. I don't think it means that the usual rules don't apply - just that you can use all the features of this synth without restriction.

The reason I think this is that I asked Bj in a PM to clarify to the group if there were any restrictions around samples etc used in the synth, following on from Thorn and Diodow...

[generaldiomedes]

Not seeing where to load custom samples, just wavetables? If so I'm a-ok with loading custom wavetables or waves.

[Darksynth FX]

FYI I don't think we need to put any rules restrictions on this month.

Have fun!

Yeah .. would like a bit of clarification on this .. do you truly mean no rule restrictions whatsoever?

I'm pretty confident he means no *extra* restrictions - like not using single cycles is OK. I don't think it means that the usual rules don't apply - just that you can use all the features of this synth without restriction.

The reason I think this is that I asked Bj in a PM to clarify to the group if there were any restrictions around samples etc used in the synth, following on from Thorn and Diodow...

I think so too because I asked him the same in a PM! So using all factory presets is allowed but the usual rules still apply.

[progtronic]

Main page really needs a "No Restrictions Month Clarification" section IMO.

[] Peter:H []

FYI I don't think we need to put any rules restrictions on this month.

Have fun!

Okay, I want to make sure there is no further restriction, because...

I have already done some experiments with the wavetable files. At least for files of the type "left" I was able to increase the number of samples in the file by factor 4, that means I have handcrafted a file with 4096 samples instead of 1024 for slot 1...I took WT "Analog Coil" which has just one Sawtooth in Slot 1 and I ended up with 4 Sawtooths
I'm not yet clear what that means and what possibilities that offers, but what if I succeed and can put 16k samples into each slot? I remember having discussed with Mr. Fathom about the specs...and he mentioned 16k per slot if I remember correctly.

If nobody objects I will go for this route because I love to do these kind of experiments.

In the worst case, I can use my Tone2 Icarus' Resynthesis Engine to load arbitrary samples and process them in Icarus to get a preprocessed result of 2048 samples per slot and export it. If I'm not too lazy I can write a little script that takes these exports and craft Fathom WTs, i.e. those simple xml files...

[bryemye]

So if we already own the normal pro version of Fathom, we can just use that?

[toonertik]

So if we already own the normal pro version of Fathom, we can just use that?

Good question.. saves me PMing BJ
However I do have another question..
I am still on 32bit win.. as Everett (FathomSynth) mentioned in viewtopic.php?f=1&t=482501&start=1590 the memory use can become quiet high...
I have one patch (OH it's big and beefy.. lovely sound )))) that when loaded in Reaper, the RAM usage is over 1000 MB.. I loaded a second instance of same patch>>> crash!
Question>>> can we render tracks?

[Tj Shredder]

So if we already own the normal pro version of Fathom, we can just use that?

Good question.. saves me PMing BJ
However I do have another question..
I am still on 32bit win.. as Everett (FathomSynth) mentioned in viewtopic.php?f=1&t=482501&start=1590 the memory use can become quiet high...
I have one patch (OH it's big and beefy.. lovely sound )))) that when loaded in Reaper, the RAM usage is over 1000 MB.. I loaded a second instance of same patch>>> crash!
Question>>> can we render tracks?

I guess its no problem to render tracks, its the same result as using a more powerful computer.
On the other hand, why not using for that challenge a 64-bit host? There is no need to run those 32-bit plugs you might want to use for your other projects...

[satYatunes]

However I do have another question..
I am still on 32bit win.. as Everett (FathomSynth) mentioned in viewtopic.php?f=1&t=482501&start=1590 the memory use can become quiet high...
I have one patch (OH it's big and beefy.. lovely sound )))) that when loaded in Reaper, the RAM usage is over 1000 MB.. I loaded a second instance of same patch>>> crash!
Question>>> can we render tracks?

You can freeze tracks in Reaper.

[toonertik]

So if we already own the normal pro version of Fathom, we can just use that?

Good question.. saves me PMing BJ
However I do have another question..
I am still on 32bit win.. as Everett (FathomSynth) mentioned in viewtopic.php?f=1&t=482501&start=1590 the memory use can become quiet high...
I have one patch (OH it's big and beefy.. lovely sound )))) that when loaded in Reaper, the RAM usage is over 1000 MB.. I loaded a second instance of same patch>>> crash!
Question>>> can we render tracks?

I guess its no problem to render tracks, its the same result as using a more powerful computer.
On the other hand, why not using for that challenge a 64-bit host? There is no need to run those 32-bit plugs you might want to use for your other projects...

Coz I am still on 32bit win7... It is 7 years since I installed it... I have butchered it to run almost perfectly... I can't even remember the last time it crashed.. and a few weeks ago I did a 64 bit_Win7 install on a recently bought SSD and then looked at the daunting task of a virgin OS and breaking her in my way.... I thought NO_WAY>> I'm too old>>>
(deleted the OS, did a 32bit clone of exsisting OS but then had all that hassle of re_activation.. so deleted that as well... I am now in limbo... but the bar is too low for my old back>> wtf)

[toonertik]

You can freeze tracks in Reaper.

hahah... yes, I am aware of that, although I prefer to render tracks... (also as Everett has pointed out, Fathom can still remain in memory in some situations).
my question is more to do with rules, if I remember correctly, we can't render tracks to use in say Mixbus for final mixing.

[TheNeverScene]

So if we already own the normal pro version of Fathom, we can just use that?

Good question.. saves me PMing BJ
However I do have another question..
I am still on 32bit win.. as Everett (FathomSynth) mentioned in viewtopic.php?f=1&t=482501&start=1590 the memory use can become quiet high...
I have one patch (OH it's big and beefy.. lovely sound )))) that when loaded in Reaper, the RAM usage is over 1000 MB.. I loaded a second instance of same patch>>> crash!
Question>>> can we render tracks?

I just PM'd him and soon realized I should actually read this thread first. lol

[TheNeverScene]

Definitely need some clarification on the Rules thing...distort to hell, Valhalla verbs, modulating delays?

[TheNeverScene]

@Toonertik, I think the rendering restriction is more geared towards one shots to cut and paste as a track in order to avoid things such as drift, etc. Rendering the track as the synth produced it and then mixing it down as a whole in some other fashion is allowed.

[generaldiomedes]

For $15, probably the best synth deal on the planet right now. CPU usage is high, sound quality is a small step below Massive (IMO), but so many options and possibilities.

Instead of adding more features, maybe concentrate more on the basic sound engine and optimization. Just as an example - modulating filter cutoffs with a sequencer produces clicking.