Omnisphere 2.5: Hardware Synth Integration and double voice architecture

[noiseboyuk]

I assume some dev will design a controller with pre labeled controls layed out in the style of (insert synth here).

http://sound-force.nl/?page_id=2412

Very nice! Anyone know what size their controllers are? And wonder if this would map (more or less) on the same lines as the Prophet 6? No manual on their site, so no midi implementation info.

Meanwhile, I can't get my Lemur talking to Windows 10. If anyone out there is wise in such matters, would greatly appreciate any pointers in this thread - viewtopic.php?f=166&t=504539

[rod_zero]

This exists already. Novation Remote SL and Nektar panorama are the best two examples. Both have 3 sections of 8 knobs and a section of 8 sliders and sections of buttons. Both have screens indicating what the controls do. You can not get any more versatile than that and it works extremely well, especially for simple lhardware style layouts like these examples that are controlling Omnisphere. 16 knobs, 8 sliders and 8-24 buttons is pretty much the ideal layout.

Yeah bro this:



Provides the same intuitive and direct control as this:



24 controls (in a generic configuration) vs 72+ controls (which are layout as a any normal synth)

I guess you are the one designing the controllers for novation, akai and Ni because all of those companies don't have a clue about what a proper MIDI controller for soft synths would be.

I had the remote SL, the nocturn controller, I have played with NI KK controllers and I currently use Push: all of them suck for programming soft synths (Push isn't that bad with Ableton Wavetable, but that 1 one synth with custom graphics, but still far from really being fast to program).

[topaz]

Korg MS20ic was probably one of the earliest ideas for analog synth control to Vi (still got mine)

[whyterabbyt]

I guess you are the one designing the controllers for novation, akai and Ni because all of those companies don't have a clue about what a proper MIDI controller for soft synths would be.

Well, it seems to me they're trying to deliver generic MIDI controllers for soft synths. 'Proper' would be subjective depending on the person using it and the applicability of its layout to the architecture of the soft synth one winds up trying to use it with.

[noiseboyuk]

Well, it seems to me they're trying to deliver generic MIDI controllers for soft synths.

I'm not at all sure that they are, you know. They're designing controllers that easily can replicate the functions of a mixer primarily, and then as a secondary considerations can handle the odd ad hoc midi CC.

If someone can show me any actual hardware synthesizer that looks like an audio mixer, I'll concede that the idea might have some merit. Otherwise, my view is - let synths be synths and mixers be mixers.

[whyterabbyt]

Well, it seems to me they're trying to deliver generic MIDI controllers for soft synths.

If someone can show me any actual hardware synthesizer that looks like an audio mixer, I'll concede that the idea might have some merit.

If anyone can show me any actual audio mixer where all the rotary controls are stacked to the side of all the vertical fader controls, I'll concede that the idea that they look more like audio mixers than generic controllers might have some merit.

[rod_zero]

I don't know who designed them first, the generic MIDI controllers, but I am sure he didn't have controlling anything specific in mind. Then everyone followed that first design and here we are with all the industry using the same layout (8 or 8+8 knobs and faders). Well, to be fair many moons ago (maybe 20 years) there were some Maudio controllers with a large bank of knobs.

There are dedicated mixer controllers, drum machine controllers, DAW controllers, but not soft synth controllers (a few ones made for specific soft synths but nothing mass produced).

Why?

[noiseboyuk]

You know what's kinda funny? In the (so far) 11 pages of the thread, most of the disucssion has been about what hardware controller to get, or how to simulate one, or what gap there is in the market for one. Some discussion about the extra layers. But very little discussion about one fairly remarkable thing... those 20 synths everyone is desperate to now be able to control from all those different hardware manufacturers? 100% Omnisphere, and zero samples.

Where's the crowd who love to say Omni is just all effects and it all sounds the same? Where's the "it's just a rompler" crowd? I almost miss them now they've gone, but I guess after 10 years I've gotten institutionalised.

(this is the KVR post equivalent of poking a beehive, isn't it?)

[kloon]

Out now

[topaz]

As I feared would happen.

Does not work with Ableton Live (sub37) because you guessed it Ableton does not support NRPN.

Great

[DrGonzo]

As I feared would happen.

Does not work with Ableton Live (sub37) because you guessed it Ableton does not support NRPN.

Great

Oh... bloody hell!

Thread to explode in 3...2...1...

/C

[topaz]

NRPN requested to ableton over and over and over since forever. nice one.

[iPlogger]

I guess we now know which DAW Eric mentioned where this won't work. Bummer. I use Ableton Live and I was hoping to make a Lemur template for handling this.

I am definitely interested in the Lemur idea and something I've thought about at least doing a proof of concept. I used to use TB MIDI Stuff (http://www.thiburce.com/TBStuff/?page_id=664) and built editors (though not finished) for my Yamaha XS-Rack and Yamaha MOXF6. With this setup, it had bi-directional communication, so changing the sound on the hardware, updated the TB MIDI Stuff GUI knobs, sliders, switches, etc. The app offers that feature built-in.

I bought Lemur since working on TB MIDI Stuff, but really haven't done much with it. My plan was to integrate it with Ableton Live, but my focus has been more on sound design and learning Ableton itself.

[el-bo (formerly ebow)]

Where's the "it's just a rompler" crowd?

Probably working extra shifts to be able to buy a 'System-8'

[el-bo (formerly ebow)]

I guess we now know which DAW Eric mentioned where this won't work.

And when he said it, everyone probably thought, "He must be talking about Podium, or suchlike".

Ableton! Damn! That's pretty big