Seems to be kind of okay, or good maybe, but not excellent.Zexila wrote:Left you already thread where all that is discussed and by someone with lot of credibility and hardware NL.Juljan wrote:What's about authenticity compared to the original in your opinion (due to only four star ranking)?Zexila wrote:Did you missed my post, there's one since February 10, 2011.Juljan wrote:So, concluded: no real alternative in 2018? What a pity!
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Best Nord Lead plugin emulation
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- KVRist
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- KVRAF
- 15135 posts since 7 Sep, 2008
I have been impressed with Discovery. In fact I the other day I was perplexed as to why my Nord Lead 2x knobs weren't changing the sound on my PC. Turned out that MIDI track was DiscoveryJuljan wrote:Seems to be kind of okay, or good maybe, but not excellent.
Regarding the isratrance post, the individual in question is Nectarios aka Martian Arts
In other words I would absolutely believe what he says.
In short then, try both and decide for yourself.
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- KVRAF
- 2085 posts since 24 Jun, 2006 from London, England
Here's a good comparison video albeit it from nearly a decade ago:starflakeprj wrote:Discovery Pro is the only option (afaik) if you want to be able to import/export Nord Lead 2 SySex's. I don't have any opinions about the authenticity of the sound though, since I don't own the real thing.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DzVF5O2ioIg
I bought Discovery Pro in a sale but really haven't used it much as got it around the same time as Arturia's V Collection (and a ton of other stuff on sale due to my terrible GAS affliction). In the past (circa the above video) I think the filters were the Achilles heel of the VST, not sure how much has improved since then. Would be great to have a more up to date A/B patch comparison video
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- 7397 posts since 20 Jul, 2004 from Clearwater
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From his posts it seems that he just tried this ensemble once in his friend's studio an only for the "psy-FM" kind of patches. Other posts in that thread (by some guy from the Terrafractyl label) say that it's actualy not that good, and I wasn't impressed by it either. Before i bought a Virus, Discovery had been my main source of FM leads and other psy sounds and I this Reaktor thingie to my ears sounded kind of OK but not as good as Discovery.Mushy Mushy wrote: Regarding the isratrance post, the individual in question is Nectarios aka Martian Arts
In other words I would absolutely believe what he says.
But as I said I never have owned a Nordlead.
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- 5813 posts since 17 Aug, 2004 from Berlin, Germany
You couldn't find a topic in the last few years, because there is no real Nord Lead emulation
Maybe the question for the developers is also "does somebody really need this" and in most cases the answer will be "no".
The Nord is something people like to use on stage, it has a good build-quality and the system is stable. You have something with knobs where you can put your fingers on it. Sound creation is very limited compared to some other hardware synth and of course also most software synth.
So for a emulation of this limited features I don't see the needs? There are dozens of very good VA synth plug-ins.
I will not speak about Synth1 or Discovery... it's debated since years that none of this sounds like a Nord Lead. They are VA synth with very limited functions inspired by the Nord, not playing in the same ballpark as our modern synth plug-ins.
Maybe the question for the developers is also "does somebody really need this" and in most cases the answer will be "no".
The Nord is something people like to use on stage, it has a good build-quality and the system is stable. You have something with knobs where you can put your fingers on it. Sound creation is very limited compared to some other hardware synth and of course also most software synth.
So for a emulation of this limited features I don't see the needs? There are dozens of very good VA synth plug-ins.
I will not speak about Synth1 or Discovery... it's debated since years that none of this sounds like a Nord Lead. They are VA synth with very limited functions inspired by the Nord, not playing in the same ballpark as our modern synth plug-ins.
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Off-Topic : Frank, your nine music albums are among the best music albums I've ever heard in my preferred style since my youth (and I'm 60) and for life (Chillout/Ambient/New Age).4damind wrote:You couldn't find a topic in the last few years, because there is no real Nord Lead emulation
Maybe the question for the developers is also "does somebody really need this" and in most cases the answer will be "no".
The Nord is something people like to use on stage, it has a good build-quality and the system is stable. You have something with knobs where you can put your fingers on it. Sound creation is very limited compared to some other hardware synth and of course also most software synth.
So for a emulation of this limited features I don't see the needs? There are dozens of very good VA synth plug-ins.
I will not speak about Synth1 or Discovery... it's debated since years that none of this sounds like a Nord Lead. They are VA synth with very limited functions inspired by the Nord, not playing in the same ballpark as our modern synth plug-ins.
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- KVRAF
- 3186 posts since 18 Mar, 2008
He said he used it a lot, he knows original hardware like back of his hand, how much time do you think he needs to determine how they compare, it's Nectarios we are talking about, this dude knows his synths.recursive one wrote: From his posts it seems that he just tried this ensemble once in his friend's studio an only for the "psy-FM" kind of patches.
What other post in that thread, everyone is praising the thing, except one guy that never used Nord in his life and have problem with Reaktor?Other posts in that thread (by some guy from the Terrafractyl label) say that it's actualy not that good, and I wasn't impressed by it either. Before i bought a Virus, Discovery had been my main source of FM leads and other psy sounds and I this Reaktor thingie to my ears sounded kind of OK but not as good as Discovery.
Exactly, he does, people expect too much from a raw sound of a synth, what you hear in records is over processed enough.But as I said I never have owned a Nordlead.
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- KVRAF
- 3186 posts since 18 Mar, 2008
You own Nord Lead, did shout out?Juljan wrote:Seems to be kind of okay, or good maybe, but not excellent.Zexila wrote:Left you already thread where all that is discussed and by someone with lot of credibility and hardware NL.Juljan wrote:What's about authenticity compared to the original in your opinion (due to only four star ranking)?Zexila wrote:Did you missed my post, there's one since February 10, 2011.Juljan wrote:So, concluded: no real alternative in 2018? What a pity!
https://www.native-instruments.com/en/r ... show/6673/
http://forum.isratrance.com/if-you-want ... -computer/
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- KVRAF
- 35434 posts since 11 Apr, 2010 from Germany
TBH, videos like that make me wonder if they A/B'd it in any way. Not even the envelope times are matching. Let alone the filter, which sounds VASTLY different.mcbpete wrote:Here's a good comparison video albeit it from nearly a decade ago:starflakeprj wrote:Discovery Pro is the only option (afaik) if you want to be able to import/export Nord Lead 2 SySex's. I don't have any opinions about the authenticity of the sound though, since I don't own the real thing.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DzVF5O2ioIg
I bought Discovery Pro in a sale but really haven't used it much as got it around the same time as Arturia's V Collection (and a ton of other stuff on sale due to my terrible GAS affliction). In the past (circa the above video) I think the filters were the Achilles heel of the VST, not sure how much has improved since then. Would be great to have a more up to date A/B patch comparison video
Also a good video demonstrating why software never quite got the status hardware has. The Nord Lead has that warm vibe, and punch to it, that the Virus also has. Not sure why soft devs are always so reserved to that kind of character.
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- 3186 posts since 18 Mar, 2008
CPU usage?chk071 wrote:Not sure why soft devs are always so reserved to that kind of character.
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- KVRAF
- 15135 posts since 7 Sep, 2008
If I may chime in again and say I have the NL2 and Discovery and think the latter is quite good. Does it sound identical? Who cares. It does great psy FM leads.
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"I was wondering if you'd like to try Magic Mushrooms"
"Oooh I dont know. Sounds a bit scary"
"It's not scary. You just lose a sense of who you are and all that sh!t"
"Oooh I dont know. Sounds a bit scary"
"It's not scary. You just lose a sense of who you are and all that sh!t"
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- KVRAF
- 35434 posts since 11 Apr, 2010 from Germany
It's a different thing, but, the processing power on digital synths is ridiculous, at best, compared to modern home computers. I rather think it's a matter of taste, and, also, experience. Hardware manufacturers probably simply know what's popular a bit better.Zexila wrote:CPU usage?chk071 wrote:Not sure why soft devs are always so reserved to that kind of character.
One of the few soft synth i know which gets remotely in the Nord/Virus/hardware regions is, again, Spire. There surely are a couple more, but... quite rare.
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- KVRAF
- 3186 posts since 18 Mar, 2008
There was similiar discussion in some Bricasti thread too.chk071 wrote:It's a different thing, but, the processing power on digital synths is ridiculous, at best, compared to modern home computers. I rather think it's a matter of taste, and, also, experience. Hardware manufacturers probably simply know what's popular a bit better.Zexila wrote:CPU usage?chk071 wrote:Not sure why soft devs are always so reserved to that kind of character.
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- KVRAF
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I don't think so. Viper does Virus quite well, and it is very moderate on CPU (probably it could have been optimized even better if it had been written in native code). Sylenth uses almost ni CPU and it's also up there with Virus in terms of "punch"/"warmth" etc. Probably if it had FM, PWM, wavetables with smooth interpolation it would eat more CPU but I think it wouldn't be a showstopper on modern machines.Zexila wrote:CPU usage?chk071 wrote:Not sure why soft devs are always so reserved to that kind of character.
I may be totally wrong but I always thought that unless one needs to emulate all analogue idiosyncrasies there is no need in drastic CPU consumption. But I agree that there is some kind of tendency amoung the VI makers - the fatness/warmth/presence is reserved to dedicated analogue emulations like Repros, but synths which are supposed to be more flexible and do the "modern" sounds tend to sound thin and sterile (Avenger, Serum, Dune, Zebra).
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