Tone2 Gladiator 3 (public beta)
- KVRAF
- 2909 posts since 13 Apr, 2008 from Charleston, SC
I really should use my Tone2 products more than I do. They are awesome.
Looking forward to G3.
Looking forward to G3.
- Banned
- 4491 posts since 8 Jul, 2008 from UK
wagtunes wrote:Ultimately, that's what it comes down to. And I think that's what the majority of the people do in picking U-he synths over Tone 2 synths. In fact, I don't think Tone 2 synths sell well at all. Or at least didn't until maybe the recent changes.chk071 wrote:TBH, i couldn't be arsed to create an extensive list to compare as well though. I don't have a doubt that Zebra is the more complex and deeper synth though. FWIW. I also tend to more simple synths. Thing is just, both are priced the same, and one offers much less, which leads to the point again. Ok, no point in further arguments, they pick the price, and everyone is free to say yes or no.
Case in point. Everybody here pretty much unanimously agrees that my patch libraries are crap. So, given that, all of them should pretty much do as poorly sales wise.
Here are the numbers U-he versus Tone 2 out of my 67 libraries.
Zebra 2 - 5th
Bazille - 9th
Repro-5 - 14th
Diva - 16th
Repro-1 - 17th
ACE - 26th
Icarus - 27th
Electra 2 - 40th
Rayblaster - 41st
Saurus 2 - 45th
Nemesis - 59th
As you can see, outside of Icarus, which didn't even outsell a basically simple synth like ACE, none of the Tone 2 synths even come close to the U-he synths in sales.
So given all things being equal, as in all my libraries are crap, it's clearly obvious that U-he has a much larger customer base than Tone 2. I know that if I get a U-he synth and make a library for it, it's pretty much guaranteed to fall somewhere in my top 20 libraries. Tone 2 is pretty much guaranteed to do poorly.
And I think it's because of their inflated prices.
Can I prove this? Of course not. But I think it's a valid theory.
Not really, I went to your site and listened (admittedly not to all) the libraries of some of the synths you've covered. You wonder why some sell better than others, its purely down to how you market the banks for the synths in question. I listened to the Dune2 and Electra2 demos, the Dune2 instantly grabbed my attention, the Electra2 sounded awful, like it was just an 8 bit synth. E2 is capable of so much as is any synth tbh, but the demo on soundcloud you put up was anything but attention grabbing. So in terms of your own sales, using that as a point of reference, holds no water.
Don't trust those with words of weakness, they are the most aggressive
- KVRian
- 1087 posts since 6 May, 2010 from Munich, Germany
Owner of the FB site of Audioterm
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- KVRAF
- 5619 posts since 23 Mar, 2006 from pendeLondonmonium
PC only?
- KVRAF
- Topic Starter
- 3045 posts since 25 Apr, 2011
- KVRAF
- 13136 posts since 16 Feb, 2005 from Kingston, Jamaica
Markus almost always starts with PC only as beta and by the 2nd or 3rd Beta when he has fixed all the bugs reported he releases the first Mac beta, in line with that PC version.himalaya wrote:PC only?
On a parallel note, now that I am going thru the patches to give them star ratings I see a few with H. I assume that was you. Never realised before you had done some patches for Gladiator 2.
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- KVRAF
- 5619 posts since 23 Mar, 2006 from pendeLondonmonium
I can't temember now, but I think any patches of mine you found are from the Gladiator 1 days...
- KVRAF
- 1569 posts since 19 May, 2011 from North Carolina
Every once and a while you pull off some awesome self-deprecating humor (and I expect a response along the lines of "that wasn't humor, just facts." )wagtunes wrote: ...Case in point. Everybody here pretty much unanimously agrees that my patch libraries are crap. So, given that, all of them should pretty much do as poorly sales wise.
My bases are covered with other synths though I'm always eyeballing the Tone2 stuff (especially Nemesis) - even there, I've enough FM going on, but it's a different workflow, and you always come up with different sounds that way. However, I think the price may have put me off a bit. They do have sales (as they are currently running), so there's that...
It's really hard to tell from our own "bubbles" what's popular. Case in point - I don't hear a lot about Elektron's gear and none of the local stores stock them . I figured they were more popular in Europe maybe. But I've met a bunch of people gigging - largely electronic / experimental music - with hardware rigs, and almost everyone has some piece of Elektron gear, even with the (relatively) high price and sometimes wonky workflow. So I asked a friend at GC what drives some of the in-store stock. He said that the Monologue, for example, was a huge seller on the floor not just because of price, but because of presets. Different customer base, different needs.
It may be that U-he synths for example, sell a bit better to people who purchase soundsets, while Tone2 sell better to the experimental crowd, etc (that doesn't explain Wags' Softube sales anomaly though - I'd never expect a lot of soundsets for a modular).
Meanwhile, I'll keep my eye on Tone2 - good to see these developers sticking around and updating.
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- KVRAF
- 7709 posts since 15 Sep, 2005 from East Coast of the USA
Tone2 has a lot of soundsets for each of their synths so maybe people are just buying from them and not as much from you.wagtunes wrote:Ultimately, that's what it comes down to. And I think that's what the majority of the people do in picking U-he synths over Tone 2 synths. In fact, I don't think Tone 2 synths sell well at all. Or at least didn't until maybe the recent changes.chk071 wrote:TBH, i couldn't be arsed to create an extensive list to compare as well though. I don't have a doubt that Zebra is the more complex and deeper synth though. FWIW. I also tend to more simple synths. Thing is just, both are priced the same, and one offers much less, which leads to the point again. Ok, no point in further arguments, they pick the price, and everyone is free to say yes or no.
Case in point. Everybody here pretty much unanimously agrees that my patch libraries are crap. So, given that, all of them should pretty much do as poorly sales wise.
Here are the numbers U-he versus Tone 2 out of my 67 libraries.
Zebra 2 - 5th
Bazille - 9th
Repro-5 - 14th
Diva - 16th
Repro-1 - 17th
ACE - 26th
Icarus - 27th
Electra 2 - 40th
Rayblaster - 41st
Saurus 2 - 45th
Nemesis - 59th
As you can see, outside of Icarus, which didn't even outsell a basically simple synth like ACE, none of the Tone 2 synths even come close to the U-he synths in sales.
So given all things being equal, as in all my libraries are crap, it's clearly obvious that U-he has a much larger customer base than Tone 2. I know that if I get a U-he synth and make a library for it, it's pretty much guaranteed to fall somewhere in my top 20 libraries. Tone 2 is pretty much guaranteed to do poorly.
And I think it's because of their inflated prices.
Can I prove this? Of course not. But I think it's a valid theory.
- KVRAF
- 21191 posts since 8 Oct, 2014
That's a possibility but doesn't U-he have a lot of libraries too?Examigan wrote:Tone2 has a lot of soundsets for each of their synths so maybe people are just buying from them and not as much from you.wagtunes wrote:Ultimately, that's what it comes down to. And I think that's what the majority of the people do in picking U-he synths over Tone 2 synths. In fact, I don't think Tone 2 synths sell well at all. Or at least didn't until maybe the recent changes.chk071 wrote:TBH, i couldn't be arsed to create an extensive list to compare as well though. I don't have a doubt that Zebra is the more complex and deeper synth though. FWIW. I also tend to more simple synths. Thing is just, both are priced the same, and one offers much less, which leads to the point again. Ok, no point in further arguments, they pick the price, and everyone is free to say yes or no.
Case in point. Everybody here pretty much unanimously agrees that my patch libraries are crap. So, given that, all of them should pretty much do as poorly sales wise.
Here are the numbers U-he versus Tone 2 out of my 67 libraries.
Zebra 2 - 5th
Bazille - 9th
Repro-5 - 14th
Diva - 16th
Repro-1 - 17th
ACE - 26th
Icarus - 27th
Electra 2 - 40th
Rayblaster - 41st
Saurus 2 - 45th
Nemesis - 59th
As you can see, outside of Icarus, which didn't even outsell a basically simple synth like ACE, none of the Tone 2 synths even come close to the U-he synths in sales.
So given all things being equal, as in all my libraries are crap, it's clearly obvious that U-he has a much larger customer base than Tone 2. I know that if I get a U-he synth and make a library for it, it's pretty much guaranteed to fall somewhere in my top 20 libraries. Tone 2 is pretty much guaranteed to do poorly.
And I think it's because of their inflated prices.
Can I prove this? Of course not. But I think it's a valid theory.
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- KVRAF
- 7709 posts since 15 Sep, 2005 from East Coast of the USA
I just checked and they have
10 for Zebra
4 for Diva
2 for Hive
1 for Repro
1 for Bazille.
Tone2 soundsets:
16 for Electra2
9 for Icarus
8 for Saurus
6 for Nemesis
5 for Rayblaster
5 for Gladiator.
10 for Zebra
4 for Diva
2 for Hive
1 for Repro
1 for Bazille.
Tone2 soundsets:
16 for Electra2
9 for Icarus
8 for Saurus
6 for Nemesis
5 for Rayblaster
5 for Gladiator.
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fluffy_little_something fluffy_little_something https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=281847
- Banned
- 12880 posts since 5 Jun, 2012
I don't think Tone2 sells nearly as many licenses as U-he. It also shows in the Marketplace forum, where U-he stuff is sold and wanted much more frequently.
Tone2 synths are not bad, then again, they are not leading in anything, either. They don't really have a reputation in the popular analog emulation world, for instance.
Tone2 synths are not bad, then again, they are not leading in anything, either. They don't really have a reputation in the popular analog emulation world, for instance.
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- KVRAF
- 1690 posts since 2 Jul, 2007
I own one tone2 synth,BUT I'd probably own more, if they we're a bit lower priced.
INTERFACE: RME ADI-2/4 Pro/Antelope Orion Studio Synergy Core/BAE 1073 MPF Dual/Heritage Audio Successor+SYMPH EQ
SYNTHS: Yamaha Montage M8x/Sequential Trigon 6/Take 5/ASM Hydrasynth
Korg Prologue16\Behringer DM12D/Pro-800/Meris Pedals
SYNTHS: Yamaha Montage M8x/Sequential Trigon 6/Take 5/ASM Hydrasynth
Korg Prologue16\Behringer DM12D/Pro-800/Meris Pedals
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fluffy_little_something fluffy_little_something https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=281847
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- 12880 posts since 5 Jun, 2012
My biggest gripe with Tone2 is their user interfaces.
With Gladiator for instance envelopes are ADSFR, but with the aux envelopes the F is not in the same line as ADSR, unlike with the main envelopes. I hate such lack of consistency. Not to mention that they used the same knobs for everything, so the envelope controls are not set apart in any way. Actually, I hate knobs for envelopes to begin with.
With Gladiator for instance envelopes are ADSFR, but with the aux envelopes the F is not in the same line as ADSR, unlike with the main envelopes. I hate such lack of consistency. Not to mention that they used the same knobs for everything, so the envelope controls are not set apart in any way. Actually, I hate knobs for envelopes to begin with.